Pirates right-hander Carmen Mlodzinski is getting stretched out as a starter this spring, he tells Noah Hiles of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. That seems to be a consistent position for him, as general manager Ben Cherington tells Hiles that the righty has broached the subject before.
“I think from the time he first pitched out of the bullpen for us, literally from that day, he’s been pretty consistent in his communication with us that, ‘I’ll do whatever it takes to help the team, and I don’t want to give up on starting,’” Cherington said. “We encourage that. Open communication. He’s taken advantage of the forums he’s had to continue to express interest in that in a really professional, thoughtful way. We agreed at the beginning of last season that we heard him, and we felt like we were going to ask him to pitch in the ’pen for now.
“We see examples all over the game of guys doing that and going back to the rotation at some point in the future. So at the end of the season, we had a chance to sit down again and agreed that it made sense for him to put himself in a position this offseason, give himself a chance to be a starter. We agreed that we’d get his volume built in spring training to some point, probably at least three innings, and then we’ll assess and see where we are. Just continue that communication with him.”
Mlodzinki, now 26, was drafted in 2020. He spent 2021 and 2022 working primarily as a starter in the minors. In the second of those two seasons, he logged a 4.78 earned run average in 105 1/3 innings at the Double-A level.
Since then, he’s mostly been in a relief role, which has includes some big league success. He has 86 2/3 innings under his belt at this point with a 2.91 ERA. That includes five “starts”, though those were opener outings, none longer than two innings. His 22.2% strikeout rate and 10.2% walk rate are each a bit shy of average for a reliever, though his 46.7% ground ball rate is strong. He has one save and 16 holds.
Despite the decent bullpen results, Mlodzinski hasn’t given up on the dream of being a starter. It’s not uncommon these days for a guy with some relief success to try stretching out. It doesn’t always work but some success stories includes Garrett Crochet, Seth Lugo and Reynaldo López.
Mlodzinski has thrown six pitches in his major league career, according to Statcast: a four-seamer, slider, cutter, sweeper, changeup and sinker. He also has fairly neutral splits. Righties have hit .222/.312/.324 against him with lefties actually posting a worse line of .216/.289/.302.
His diverse arsenal and platoon-neutral results could perhaps allow him to turn a lineup over a few times, but he will have a hard time cracking a crowded Pittsburgh rotation. The Bucs have a controllable core three of Paul Skenes, Jared Jones and Mitch Keller. They signed Andrew Heaney to add a veteran back-end guy. Bailey Falter and Johan Oviedo are options for a spot, as are younger guys like Braxton Ashcraft, Mike Burrows, Bubba Chandler and Thomas Harrington. Like Mlodzinski, Caleb Ferguson is going to get stretched out in camp to see how it goes.
With all of those options, it’s likely Mlodzinski ends up in the bullpen, but it’s still notable that it’s on the table. In such situations, a pitcher sometimes needs the stars to align in order to find the right opportunity. As an example, Michael King worked mostly as a reliever for the Yankees for a while. In 2023, they fell out of contention and gave him a rotation job down the stretch. He pitched well enough that the Padres acquired him in the Juan Soto deal and gave him a starting role in San Diego, which he flourished in.
Now is the best time of year for a club to experiment with roles like this. After being stretched out, it’s fairly easy for a guy to then pivot to a relief role for the season, whereas doing the opposite in the middle of the summer is difficult. Mlodzinski and the Bucs can try it out and see what happens, even if it doesn’t immediately get him a rotation job. He also still has options, so staying stretched out in the minors is another possibility. It’s always possible that injuries or midseason trades open up some doors over a long season.
With what the Pirates have already up here in the rotation (and with what is on the way in the minors), the Pirates are looking like they have a top tier staff on the horizion if they stay healthy. I only wished they would get some bats for their SP;s. Mlodzinski could act as a pretty sharp 4-5 or long guy for them this year.
They did make the Ortiz for Horowitz move but it probably wouldn’t hurt to do another one depending on how it plays out. Trying to think of teams they could match with?
Maybe the Mets with Ronny Mauricio? They seem to not really have him in their plans long terms and Pirates could use a shortstop long term, even if he’s not a guarantee. Mets back end of the rotation is pretty ugly.
Pass on Ronny. He would have a hard time getting reps up the middle and the pirates have enough high power potential with high strike out options.
Not that he couldn’t be good, just doesn’t seem like a good fit.
You mean they gave away Ortiz for a broken down guy who can only hit righties and now want to have someone in place in case Bubba isn’t ready
Ortiz was likely their second best starter down the stretch. But yeah, ignore the countless free agents out there who were affordable and give him away. Now this. Pathetic franchise
Bubba more than ready along with Burrows Ashcraft Harrington. Oviedo next man up. Or the 2 relievers who want to start.
And not one but 2 left handed prospects.Brilliant!
Backend starters. Most teams couldn’t develop them into anything more. Cleveland one of maybe the best so trade lined up. When you can just sign a Heaney Perez for 5m why trade anything good?
You can’t trade Bubba. Harrington just a guy. Same concerns that make you want to trade Jones Ashcraft Borrows other teams will have. Maybe they would be interested in Barco. Shouldn’t be interested in Solometo. Depth is excellent but it isn’t good for trades to bring in a needle mover. Good enough for a deadline rental maybe.
Most importantly Cherington said there’s no in the works trade. No help is coming. All up to the miracle worker hitting coach.
And that says it all. They’ve got depth. They’ve got some money to sign middling free agent bats. You choose to do nothing instead
Good idea Pittsburgh. Get a couple (3 or 4) Hitters and go for Division.
I do not believe they need to be this cheap and lousy.
There not even cheap. Chapman and Hill were expensive luxuries. They pick Rowdy over Santana. Pham over Grichuk. Frazier over Tauchman. Canha signed a minor league deal. Tim Hill was just sitting there for free on waivers last year. They are just stupid not cheap. I like Pham. Not as much as Grichuk. But why not both? Canha for free would been nice. Thats why Milwaukee wins divisions and Pittsburgh hasn’t in 30 some years.
alot of RPs in recent memory have expressed the desire to start. Crochet and Lugo, but also jordan hicks, clay holmes, and now Mlodzinski. I dont remember many relievers who converted to SPs in the 80s/90s/00s. feels like back then it was the other way around, SPs who turned into RPs like eckersly and smoltz
chandlerbing: And Ryan.
Recent memory? More like the history of baseball.
Carmen Mlodzinski my OOTP GOAT. I hope he gets some run – might have to use his changeup some more though.
Another player’s name we will sadly never hear spoken by Vin Scully.
Alas… but I think we can all hear him say it in our own head!
AI will take care of it for you.
I trust the internal echo of Vin’s voice more…
Cue Robert Hegyes!!
All signs point to the making a trade pitching for hitting. Guessing Keller or Jones will be shopped for a bat.
Whatcha want for Mitch?
Cherington said no trades in works. Keller in future years makes cents though. Pirates payroll will be similar next year without signing a single free agent other than Cutch for 5m. If attendance doesn’t go to 2m plus salary will need to be cut unless they don’t have any holes and they shouldn’t have many so maybe they can keep Keller.
Jones hasn’t been as good as people seem to think. 4 something era and it’s legit. His size is a turn off.
Bednar Santana will need to be traded at deadline or off season unless you want to extend them. Attendance really needs to go up if you want to extend them and keep Keller Reynolds.
Reynolds seems likable. Keller is as well and team leader. Hard sell to locker room trading them. Just saying. I already traded Reynolds Bednar years ago. For quite the haul.
I really don’t think so. They seem pretty set on Skenes/Jones/Keller/Heaney being the 1-4. I think this more likely means that Chandler isn’t going to open the year in the Major Leagues, and they’re not 100% confident in Falter taking the fifth-starter role.
Would have to be a pretty decent bat to get Jones or Keller.
I don’t think they’d do something that big this close to the season, I think they realize their strength is their top 3. Even though Jones and Keller didn’t finish with the best numbers, it’s easy to see they can perform better.
The Mlod Squad…
The Pirates have the most pitching depth I’ve seen as my whole time as a fan. I was very high on the pen last year though and was let down so should temper my expectations.
He was ok as a multi inning guy last year but seemed at his best in the late innings. Then again I guess you can never have enough starting pitching either and it’s not like he can’t just go back to the pen.
It’s crazy, they still have Hunter Stratton and Moreta in reserve. Both of whom were very nasty late inning guys, along with Nichols and maybe one of Burrows or Ashcraft as a long man/multi inning guy. Honesly would like to see one of them close when they move on from Bednar. So many 98mph strikeout arms.
Mlod will be a 4-inning starter if he gets a chance. He’s better suited as a 2-inning reliever.
a 4 inning starter means the bullpen is working more every 5 games.
I don’t like this idea and if Nutting wasn’t so cheap, one of our top prospect pitchers would be starting instead
No, I don’t either. But there’s nothing about this team’s management to like
Someone above talks about them only needing to get 2-3 affordable bats to surround this pitching staff
Well, welcome to the party, pal. That ship has sailed We all noted the same last November
They chose to do nothing. Nothing more needs to be said
Keller
Skenes
Falter
Jones
Heaney
That’s your rotation. They are just humoring these relievers. They will work 2 or 3 innings when a starter exits early or losing 4 0. 5 1. If they do well with that they will get stretched out to 5 for injury replacement.
So Bubba and company spend another season on the farm, twiddling their thumbs
Falter and Heaney in the same rotation bring a good rotation down to average
70-72 wins
I’ll remind you in October
Don’t know why you are going to remind me. Did I claim they would have q winning season anywhere? I’d like to see 76 again.
It’s just Bubba and not so much company. Ashcraft is interesting though.
70 wins you say. So why waste a year of Bubba on that? Unfortunately they will have to as he’s too good to keep down all year.
Using your logic then, why waste Skenes here? Or Jones? Why extend Keller or Reynolds?
I do believe they were going by your TB model but after it became clear that they didn’t quite have all the parts, they were all over the road.
It’s pretty clear they are clueless at this point and simply hoping that somehow, one of their disappointments—-from Hayes to Jack to Davis etc—-catches fire
And I remind you only because my prognostications have been muy bueno for years now
Because they are so good you can’t keep them in minors. Bubba you can at least justify sending him there for a month. But unless hurt he should debut this year. Just right thing to do. If they want to be mercenaries and keep him down there until June 2026 you won’t here me complain.
They of course would not do that but one of their reasonings with Skenes other than wanting to win games is that there are only so many pitches in these arms anymore.
The days of Old Hoss Radborne are long over.
But it makes no sense
Look, they had a golden chance to contend this year. Maybe they’re still under some illusion that they can but they sure didn’t augment the line up with the moves they made
Again, unless the hitting coach is the second coming of Charlie Lau, where are the runs going to come from?
This off season was so illogical that it defies description. Either they are true believers in their young guys and very forgiving of their past problems or they are simply delusional
That said, the Heaney add is complete nonsense
Again, given this lineup, you might as well play the kids in every spot
Delusional. I just listened to Shelton interview. Team is ready has to contend. Frazier Pham brought in to lead them. Best he ever seen Hayes look. Dominated off season. Healthy.
I didn’t see anything they could do. Guys I liked went for too much. Winker expensive. Goldschmidt extremely expensive. Santana more extremely expensive. Conforto insanely expensive.
I’d rather had Grichuk Canha Tauchman but they weren’t moving the needle enough. White sox are delusional on Roberts. Angels bought hard so didn’t trade Ward. A’s extended Rooker.
Tucker Soto would have moved the needle but Pittsburgh can’t afford to do that.
They could have done better but no real impact was available.
As always, here is where I disagree with you
You’d like to portray Hillbilly Bob as a pauper, with hat in one hand and tin cup, standing on the approach to the Liberty Bridge, seeking donations because he’s so poor
No, no one thought they’d get Soto
Or Bellinger
Or Pete
But some of the guys certainly *were* affordable to a franchise that spends little. They just decided to spend even less
That’s the Nutting Way, the methods of the carpetbagger
Don’t live in Pittsburgh and don’t frequent PNC a great deal. Don’t feel any civic responsibility to field a competitive team
Maybe he’s a peach of a guy. As an owner, he’s a jagoff. Nothing more
Your post here tends to defend ultra frugality
It’s a dreary time to be a Pittsburgh sports fan—and all three owners now seem to follow the same blueprint.
Feeding pigeons in the park this summer. Gardening. Reading. Perhaps whittling. I’ll find better things to do than support this scumbag’s team
Give names. Who was a good contract the pirates should have signed. And remember to bribe them to come to Pittsburgh you need to pay them 2 3 or 4 million more per year. There’s a few guys they could afford. Would have been a horrible contract but they could afford them.
MLBTR listed next tier free agents twice this off season. They especially made note of guys the Pirates should be interested in. In fact, the even made predictions
Maybe you were asleep
There was a whole host of players they could have afforded both this year, and last
They chose to do nothing this off season
And no, Chapman was *not* good in any way, shape or form
Look at similar market teams and what they’ve done the past two seasons
Let’s start with KC. How about MIL?
Please, Dream. You continue to have this desire to put this ALL on the GM. I get it, he is awful
But everything goes back to their carpetbagging owner, the worst in all of professional sports.
It’s never about not being able to afford mid tier players. They simply don’t want to
But hey, pierogi races will be back this season along with cheap tshirt and hot dog launches.
See you at PNC!!!!
Give me names. Go look at mlbtr list again. Look how many salaries they got wrong. I called them out on not having Santana in top 50. Me and site owner Tim thought he would get like 7 8 maybe 10 at highest. Pirates could do that sure. But it would have taken 14 15! They can’t do that. Payroll would be 100m. Laat time it was 100m twice as many people paid for cable and 2.3m people in attendance. Maybe Nutting can afford maybe he can’t but we know he won’t.
Gotta get back to work. Catch you tonight maybe.
Johan Oviedo likely wasn’t going to open the year in the rotation coming off TJ surgery, Falter’s underlying numbers were pretty bad, he had a near-5.00 SIERA and gave up a lot of contact. I wish they would open the year with Chandler in the fifth rotation spot, but I wouldn’t bet on that. I think this points to them piggybacking outings early in the year until Chandler reaches the service time requirements, with some mix of Mlodzinski, Oviedo, or Caleb Ferguson going 2-4 innings each at a time.
Falter got tired the last month and a half.He pitched well before that.
This shows though that they need to sign a good right handed reliever,preferably one who can close if Bednar is no good again.
I still wouldn’t put my full confidence in Falter. Feels like Jeff Locke 2.0, maybe slightly better, but still., even when he was pitching well in 2024, it always felt like he was playing with fire.
That’s a good comparison. I remember watching some of his starts, and he was good with his pitch counts and I just wondered how he was doing it?? Not great stuff, got a lot of popouts and seemed like he was skating by, but results are results and can do worse as a 4-5. Still wouldn’t be opposed to a higher upside guy.
I have always thought that Falter should be the long man as the starters other than Heaney are right handers and this would limit the number of innings that he pitches so that he does not get tired toward the end of the year.
He is no Sandy Koufax,but not a bad return for Rodolfo Castro.
Bright eyes hates the Pirates. Why would you want to throw away a year of having Bubba? Wait just 1 month 4 or 5 starts and make him win ROY. Better yet wait until June and no ROY and no super two.
With that pitch mix, surprised just now they are stretching him out as a starter and haven’t before.
Everyone is going to need a couple spot starter/long relief guys going forward with all the 4-5 inning pitchers. Falter comes to mind on Pittsburgh’s staff, unless he overcomes all the pitches he has thrown in the past.
Agreed. I said as much when he came up but someone—Dream, I guess—talked about how he wasn’t cutting it as a starter on the farm
So it’s great that they’re trying to “stretch him out” at the MLB level. What could go wrong?
I would have let him keep starting. But he did have a 5 era and under 10 k per 9 at AA so wasn’t screaming have to start. They usually let them fail for multiple years at mlb level before giving up.
Strong Eastern European name heritage on the Pirates last decade. Neverauskas, etc.
But anyway, really rooting for him if these Pirates will have any shot of putting something together for Skenes.
More Pitching options is rarely a bad thing. My guess he’ll probably be in the pen again and/or with another team if he shows to be a not bad starter. Either way works out for both Carmen and the team… well assuming he does not totally stink it up.
Mlodzinski probably made more sense as a closer if Bednar falters again. But this idea only resonates if Bubba, Oviedo, Ashcraft, Harrington or whomever struggles
Or better yet, maybe they’re planning on shipping Mitch somewhere ostensibly for a bat but in reality, just putting some more cash in Hillbilly Bob’s pocket. If that’s the angle, here’s hoping they package Hayes, too
Ship a bust and save Bobby even more cash!
15m for a mid to back rotation starter. If there is a trade for a better than average bat with control then the money portion is just a side effect.
I’m not sure I understand the harm in potentially adding value to a guy like Mlodzinski. He wouldn’t fetch much right now in a trade as solely a middle relief guy with the potential for leverage innings, but could be more attractive if he follows King, Crochet or one of those other guys in being successful after the conversion.
This gives the Pirates more flexibility to deal from their staff for a bat, Mlodzinski being a serviceable backend guy allows you to deal someone like Harrington as a centerpiece, knowing you’re not affecting depth.
Service time, especially if Bubba is as good as advertised, should 100 percent be a consideration, we already lost a year of both Jones and Skenes because of a lack of depth, and still ended up with Jake Woodford and Domingo German taking starts last season.
Your points are all well taken
I think my dissent with the Pirates comes via other thinking. First, the kid was already a starter. He throws heat and has good command of breaking pitches. Nonetheless, the player development folks once again made the determination that he should work from the bullpen
Secondly, there’s no doubt that the one thing the Pirates have is pitcher depth. Unfortunately, they either have failed to use it in trade possibilities or wasted it in trading for a guy who likely will have no impact for them this season
I guess my bottom line is that it all seems to be a study that borders between being ultra frugal and ultra clueless.
If they didn’t act to surround Skenes, Jones, Mitch, and perhaps Bubba, Falter, Oviedo with a couple bats more capable than Pham and Frazier THIS past off season, they have no interest in contending
The rebuild was over. The time was here to shore up areas that needed refinement. They did nothing. As such, how can anyone read into a move like this as being noteworthy?
No one was traded other than a 1b so it’s on the other teams wanting too much or not wanting to trade.
Sorry Dream, but a one-size-fits-all explanation won’t work here
Your boy Cherington really did all he could to warrant your ire this winter.
Well no one was traded. Pitchers but they went for bats the thing we need and pitching isn’t a need.
I wanted Goldschmidt but 15m is a bit much even though I think he will be worth it. Santana 14m. Too much. So a platoon with a trashed wrists was it. Many fans say Naylor. But if Cleveland is trading him and our goal is to be Cleveland, why would we trade for him?
There wasn’t a move available that would have been enough. Davis Suwinski Yorke miracle is the only hope.
The Pirates made a mistake in not signing Finnegan.They could have had him for $7M.Once the injuries occur their bullpen will be depleted.
As far as Carmen is concerned,he did not show any future as a starter in the minors.How will he change now?I think that they are probably just letting him do this since he asked and if successful he would benefit by being more valuable and merit more money.
I hope that he does not feel let down when it is unsuccessful.
Even mediocre starters are making clearly more than $10 M now.
Lots of guys better bets than Finnegan and cheaper than 7m. 29 other teams passed on him all off season. Many of those teams smarter than Pittsburgh. I would give Finnegan signing a D. Just throwing away $. Better to hedge your bet and sign 2 3m guys or 3 2.5m guys.
I figure Canha will join the Brewers mid season and propel them into the playoffs.
Winker will have some big hits for the Mets
Grichuk will tear it up in the desert
Ah, the list of guys they could and should have signed is endless….
Joke franchise
Sooner than that. Probably has a opt out in April or something.
As an aside, I am hoping “bright eyes” read the Facing My Heroes article today and swallowed hard. Yet another brick in the wall against analytic nerds, this time from a former big league pitcher.
Last bargaining agreement said that guys like Canha automatically get three opt out chances soon at the end of ST and into the season.
Dream GM-Pirates need quality rather than quantity at this point.I see what you are saying but they will not have enough 25 man roster spaces for quantity.
It’s 26 roster spots so Canha is in luck! And they don’t have 26 guys better than him. His best outfield days are behind him but pnc he is average or better. And he can play 1b.
275 .380 .395 .774 vs LHP
Pirates are so good they can’t find a spot for .380 obp?
Why Milwaukee is winners and Pittsburgh losers.
10.5 Chapman
3.5 Rowdy
8 Perez
4 Pham
8 Hill
4 Yoshi
You start adding things up it’s some real $. I’d rather give Canha a million bucks and have 3m for something else. Or spend 2m more and get Grichuk. This in between garbage is the worst place to be. 2m more they get Santana instead of Rowdy. For what the wasted on Chapman they could have signed Santana Rowdy and Tim Hill or another reliever. And had the 3.5 from Rowdy. 4m from MAT.
And you don’t have to sign 3 relievers. Like the guy they signed for 3m will be as good as this 7m guy. Maybe it’s relievers so who knows. Odds say take the chance and save 4m.
Well, you’re contradicting yourself here a bit
You called all of those signings A+ but now in hindsight, provide a thorough rationale as to why they were simply stupid
But hey, no such signings this year, really. I mean, Pham and Frazier were bargain basement variety adds.
But it this team sinks by deadline time, I’ll be interested in what they decide to trade beyond those two
Better check again.
Pham Yoshi D
Hill Taylor Chapman C
I did love Perez. And he would have been fine if not hurt. A freaking playoff team traded for him. But if they passed on Perez Chapman for a 15m 20m bat….
Chapman is big one. They didn’t sign him this year. They found relievers for 1 2 or 3 million. So they proved they could go that route.
I stand corrected. Apologies
But you still applauded Hill and Chapman, among others
Dream, you have to move away from the narrative that states a player is “too expensive” and move to “well, the Pirates will refuse to pay that” in describing talent out there
Again, Soto, Alonso, Goldie, Walker etc—these types go without saying
But this is a horrible owner with a GM who can’t work within these guardrails
But hey, the big news today is the Pirates schedule of theme nights. Hooray!
Very soon, we’ll hear what’s on the menu at PNC this year! Hooray!
And the plaza Nutting built next to PNC. All the selections there! Hooray!
Because a greed obsessed grifter like Nutting knows a stupid fan base when he sees one
Gave them C. They paid the price. Fair deal. Chapman got paid more this year even though a year older. He was good.
Players are too expensive. Santana Goldschmidt are nearing 40. 12m is ok for them but Pittsburgh would need to pay 15m. That’s not a smart buy. Not when you’re owner has never spent more than 100m. 15 tp 20 percent of resources on a 38 39 year old 1b? That’s a pass.
Canha should have been signed instead of Frazier.
You liked the Perez signing last year.If he had pitched better it would have been a steal.
I did not have my heart set on Finnegan but there was no one else.
I was surprised that they paid for Chapman last year but he got the same amount this year so someone else thinks that he is worth it.
They have to hedge their bets on Bednar’s resurgence and Finnegan has closed before and done reasonably well.
I don’t want Finnegan closing. He gets crushed. Doesn’t strike anyone out. Rather have Furg and 4m. There was lots of other relievers out there for under 6m that were nice. I think Pirates did well enough with bullpen. They have enough arms they should find something.
Again, Mlodzinski could fill this role
Now that they’re going the Henry Davis route with his head, who knows how it’ll play out
It was only one outing in a very early spring showing, but Bednar sure didn’t look strong yesterday
I thought you were done supporting this team? You get rid of your cable bill and pirate the game? Nutting doesn’t care if you watch just as long as you keep paying your cable bill. Poor Nutting. Everyone used to pay 15 20 25 dollars a month whether they watched Pirates or not Nutting gor his cut. Now that number has been cut in half or heading towards that and he needs to depend on people buying Fubo or sportsnet360 or mlbtv.
I no longer have the Pittsburgh sports package. Nope.
How we gonna get any players? Pay for the sports!
That’s scary though. These small markets never spent. No they lost half their customers and losing tv deals left and right. I think it’s a good thing. Make them put a product out that makes people want to pay for it. Problem is 1.5m will show up to watch whatever garbage you put out or they just love cheap chinese collectibles and fireworks.
Well, the ballpark is the biggest draw. Not the team. Not the gimmicks. It’s simply stunning. Nicest ballpark in the US for one of the worst teams.
Great place to see a game. Great family eve.
I know attendance is down the list where most lucrative revenue streams are concerned, but they’ll draw on the basis of the stadium alone
Will be interesting to see the Savannah Bananas do here in August. Much more entertaining style of baseball
As a team, probably better hitters, too
Anyone see my boy Konnor go first to third? 6 4 210 215 looks maybe even bigger now, one of fastest players in baseball with massive raw power and more lots more to potentially come. They needed to fire Cherington so bad to get someone to teach this kid to hit. If they do he’s a 30 30 gold glove center fielder.
If they do he’s a 30 30 gold glove center fielder.
Good Grief
It’s ok, Tug. We both know something happens to position players in the Pirates farm system. They either stagnate or regress
What? You thinking 40 40 tug? I can see it. Pirates development though it’s probably 15 15 or 10 10