May 11: Altuve is not in the Astros’ lineup today, but manager Joe Espada told reporters (including Chandler Rome of The Athletic) this morning that the veteran came in today feeling better and that he could be back in the lineup in a day or two.
May 10: Astros veteran Jose Altuve began today’s game against the Reds at second base, but was pinch hit for by Brendan Rodgers in the third inning. Houston later announced that he had departed the game with what they termed “tightness” in his right hamstring.
Further information about Altuve’s status will likely be available after the game, including whether the issue is severe enough that the 35-year-old will require a trip to the injured list. Altuve has gone on the shelf due to hamstring problems twice in his career, once in 2019 and once in 2022, though both of those instances were due to strains of his left hamstring. That he doesn’t have a substantial history of hamstring issues on his right side provides some reason for optimism, but it should still be expected that the Astros will at least send Altuve for an MRI to determine the severity of the issue. Even mild hamstring strains can take a few weeks to recover, so it would hardly be a surprise if the club ended up deciding to place Altuve on the 10-day injured list.
Sensible as that decision may be, it would be difficult for the Astros to replace Altuve. The nine-time All-Star hasn’t looked like himself at the plate this year, hitting just .259/.304/.374 with a below average 93 wRC+ and what would be the highest strikeout rate of his career in a 162-game season, but Houston’s depth from which to replace Altuve is the lineup is minimal at best. Rodgers and Mauricio Dubon would surely be the club’s choices to handle duties at the keystone, but both have hit even less than Altuve to this point in the calendar. Second base is no longer Altuve’s primary position, however, after he moved to left field during Spring Training.
With Yordan Alvarez already on the injured list at present, the club’s outfield and DH mix would be paper thin if Altuve were to be removed from the mix. Jake Meyers is playing every day in center field, but the outfield corners would be patrolled by some combination of Cam Smith (95 wRC+), Chas McCormick (90 wRC+), and Zach Dezenzo. Dezenzo has mostly looked good (117 wRC+) in 20 games with the Astros this year, though his 29.5% strikeout rate is high enough to raise alarm bells. Perhaps Yainer Diaz can help fill in at DH until Alvarez returns from the shelf with Victor Caratini joining the lineup behind the plate, but that does little to solve the lackluster production from the outfield corners.
Even with Altuve in the mix, the Astros’ production in left field this year is the third weakest in all of baseball. Removing Altuve from the mix would only serve to weaken that production, and the only other outfielder on the 40-man roster is Kenedy Corona, who sports a lackluster 67 wRC+ at the Triple-A level this year. Barring an external addition or the surprise promotion of a prospect like Jacob Melton, an injury for Altuve would likely mean even rougher production in the outfield for an Astros club that has already fallen to third place in the AL West with a pedestrian 19-18 record.
I’m ready to start reading Hader trade proposals.
He’s washed up with $110M left in his deal. Forgot he was still playing.
His numbers dropped off after they were caught cheating and were only really good during the cheating period. Weird….
I’m so happy for the Astros.
Oh hey let’s see how his ex team mate Carlos Correa is faring in Minneapolis… huh… similar situation there…
They managed to basically steal $200M a piece from baseball.
You seem to know an awful lot about some you forgot was still playing. Weird….
Sarcasm is lost on you. Weird…
You definitely went out of your way a good bit for sarcasm.
I wouldn’t say I went that far out of the way…. more like I simply stepped over a minor divot in the road.
Sarcasm? You are a troll dbag. Go away.
I’m speaking truth to power. His best seasons were the years he cheated, same with Correa, etc. and now they are all worth minimal or negative value relative to WAR and they look washed up with years left at over $30M AAV.
This is what happens when players cheat their way to elite numbers and then can’t keep cheating.
I’m not a troll. You just hate the truth. Sorry?
You seemingly have a regular pattern to your postings.
35+ and sustains an injury – washed up and go retire.
Someone calls you out. It’s sarcasm.
I’m not an Astro fan. Cheating happened in 2018 and its prior years. Go look at Altuve’s WAR since then. Conveniently, you argue that his best years coincided with his prime physical years. You ARE a troll intentional or not.
Man you really got me there. You got me good. You pegged me to a T, dead to rights. That is literally all I ever respond about or comment on and I clearly exist and patrol these comment sections for your misery.
I wish I could expend as much emotion and passion on you as you do on me.
FML right?
“I’m speaking truth to power”? You post comments on MLBTR, you’re not a journalist rattling cages.
I’m going to be as serious as possible here:
The bottom line with all of this is that I have no respect for Cora, Altuve, Correa, Bergman, etc. etc. because they absolutely did cheat and they benefitted from cheating. Altuve’s cheating season(s) stole an MVP from Aaron Judge and stole a world series from the Yankees.
They are the opposite of good sportsmanship. I have no respect for them. I think they tarnish the integrity and legitimacy of the game.
So, by extension, I feel vindicated in my judgement of them that in the subsequent seasons since the cheating scandal was discovered, admitted to, etc. their performances have all “shockingly” dropped off- and it isn’t because they got older.
The fact that so many people seem to just ignore what they did and take that bizarre approach of “the team cheated, they cheated, but the cheating had zero impact on the results of their play and have zero implication in the final results of those games and who won, who loss, etc. and people who hold them accountable are cry babies” is just nuts to me and so if you’re all gonna act like children, I’m gonna talk to you like you are children.
Imagine if TTO actually had a life.
Just found this. The third response to me (or first?)
In all silliness, if I told you what I do with my days, you wouldn’t believe me anyway.
But here’s a huge hint:
Turkey…. Turkey… TURKEY!
I liked how he assumes the Yankees would have won the World Series in 2017.
I agree. I also enjoy the sarcasm.
The Dodgers got robbed
Dodgers ftfy
What truth are you talking about? Altuve had a 145 wRC+ from 2017 through 2019, with his peak being 160. He’s put up a 148 wRC+ from 2021 through 2023, with his peak being 164. Correa led all shortstops in wRC+ in 2021 and 2022. Altuve is a 35-year-old middle infielder, but his production is aging at a rate you’d expect him to age. They’ve each had just as good, if not better seasons since 2017.
The Yankees even outscored the Astros in the 2017 ALCS, 22-20. They had more hits and more home runs than the Astros. There’s also no evidence, even though spectral analysis, the Astros cheated in the Postseason. The Yankees also only scored 3 runs in 4 games in Houston, getting shutdown once. Even if we takeaway two-thirds of the Astros’ runs at home in that ALCS, they still outscore the Yankees in Minute Maid 5 runs to 3.
No evidence;…..are you blind, deaf and dumb……its a foregone conclusion that the Astros cheated during the 2017 WS…..whether the Yankees would have won….don’t know, but they definitely used the trash can to signal pitches to their hitters…..come on man…
Mlb1225, stop citing facts and speaking truth.
You’re never going to change the minds of those who think they know everything.
Yeah, he got you good, fool.
There was one apparent bang throughout the entire Astros’ Postseason run, that being on October 6 in the ALDS against the Boston Red Sox. There was speculation that the Astros were using whistling to signal to their batters what pitch was coming next, but there was no corelation between different pitches and whistles. After September 21st, there were only 3 trashcan bangs heard. This was after reliever Danny Farquar started to notice the noises coming from the dugout.
Again, this is all from signstealingscandal.com, a site that documented every supposed bang during the 2017 season. The research was done by independently by a fan, so this isn’t MLB’s own investigation. Plenty of other fans have done their own research, some going so far as to using spectral analysis of the noise. Of course the Wold Series games would be the most analyzed, and yet, nobody has found hard evidence to prove there was trash can banging during the WS.
Nobody cares who you respect.
Imagine if he had a working brain.
Hey, don’t let facts get in the way of his mindless rants.
He no cheat. He just shy!
They weren’t the only ones cheating, obviously. But the simple minded will only look at the situation in terms of black or white. Since they were the most blatant cheaters and the ones scapegoated, they get 100 percent of the vitriol.
2022 and 2023 were two of his best seasons. I think it speaks more about you being surprised that a 35 year old is declining.
No Ball Knowledge Alert 🚨 Altuve’s best year was 2022 and Correa is coming off a career high wRC+ 💀💀
Oompa, Loompa, doompa-dee-do
I’ve got a perfect puzzle for you
Oompa, Loompa, doompa-dee-dee
If you are wise, you’ll listen to me
What do you get when you cheat with a wire?
Lying and showing your pants are on fire.
What are you at scamming every at bat?
What do you think will come of that?
I don’t like the look of it
Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-da
If you’re not greedy, you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa, Loompa, doompa-dee-do
Doompa-dee-do
The real Oompa Loompa is Alejandro Kirk of the Jays…in fact he makes Oompa Loompa appear graceful and swan-like in comparison as we see those tiny little legs motoring the bases.
Awww. poor cheater get a boo boo?
You’ll refer to him as two time World Series champion for now on
Some of the comments here are pretty juvenile. Altuve is 35. So a decline is not a surprise, but I hope he stays a useful player.
Altuve was on track to be a HoF. This move to LF has all but derailed those chances.
Right, his best chance is as a second baseman. His Statcast numbers there aren’t so bad.
So rounds mean no hall but any other cheating has no consequences
Didn’t stop Gaylord from getting in. And he wrote a book about how he cheated.
To be real honest cheating was always a part of baseball. Any way to get an advantage. Dirty ball was what Ty Cobb specialized in.
Another lie you fell for. Al Stump was a conman, and you believed his lies.
Derailed Altuve’s chances like they derailed Biggio’s right?
Depends how close he is to 3000 hits at the end of his contract. He may need another year or two after that.
I thought the jersey/buzzer narrative had been put to bed as erroneously false, mendacious, and defaming to his character & reputation. Let’s see these resurrected receipts then !!! (And I’m a Mariners fan)
Can’t be false. The girl who pretended to be Carlos Beltran’s cousin is a super reliable source.
Serious question though to his defenders:
If he is so naturally great, why were his best seasons the ones they are pretty sure or absolutely know he cheated?
TTO = drama queen
Oh no, not Finland!
Didn’t know y’all rode so hard for Altuve.
I get it, I get it, pot, kettle, I know you are but what am I, etc, etc.
I’m like boom bop boom bop boom bam bam, on some type of stuff y’all wouldn’t understand…
Why did the Yankees give huge contracts to cheaters? Lots of them.
I assume you are referring to A-Rod, Roger Clemens, Jason Giambi, etc.?
I am shamelessly distinguishing between the steroid era and a team collectively conspiring to cheat.
That was a culture of cheating across the game and its been dealt with by way of many of those players not being elected into the Hall of Fame, despite their gaudy career stats- because we know and accept they used steroids to do it.
So if we’re able to not put those guys in the HOF (which, I realize is voted on by baseball journalists and not the league itself) then why do the Astros get to be treated as if their best seasons were legitimate- they keep their world series title, Altuve keeps his MVP, etc. so the only real consequence should be the shame of an asterisk that they cheated for those results- my comments in this section is a teeny tiny asterisk against them.
Also- steroids don’t tell you what pitch is gonna be thrown, where it’s gonna be thrown, etc.
I feel like you guys would defend deflategate, etc…
Why are you guys *so* upset and defensive about Altuve? Some of you even defend Cora, etc.
I’ll give Red Sox fans this- they acknowledge Cora’s faults and a lot of them want him gone and want to move on from the Cora era.
Why are you guys so absolutely committed to the defense of guys like Altuve?
If you were up and I, the first base coach, yelled your first name, I saw the catcher put down a 1. Last name meant other than 1. This was in the 90’s, when I was playing baseball with college players in a summer league.
According to lore, Bobby Thompson knew what pitch was coming. I met both Ralph Branca and Thompson, there were no hard feelings.
Mookie Betts wants the 2018 Red Sox to get credit for their accomplishments in spite of what they were doing with signs.
What the Astros did was wrong. No defense here.
But teams need to figure out a better way to tell the pitcher what to throw. Period.
Red Sox were cheating in a similar way at the time weren’t they?
As I understand it, when Cora came over from the Astros organization, he implemented the same or a similar cheating protocol for the Red Sox, so MLB felt Cora being punished for the Astros activity was enough.
@ whyhayzee It’s more than just lore. The Giants had a telescope in the clubhouse, which was in center field at the Polo Grounds. They were stealing signals, then relaying them to the third base coach, who gave them to the batter. Willie Mays was a rookie on the team. There’s a great book written about it, “The Echoing Green “
Dawg deflategate was a sham too 💀 NFL executives were unaware of ideal gas law, but because they jumped to conclusions, falsified data to not make it look like a witch hunt lol
2017 is the only season they absolutley know the Astros cheated in, and Altuve supposedly did not like using the trash can signal. Even though spectral-analysis, he had the lowest rate of trashcan bangs of any player on the 2017 Astros who recieved at least semi-regular playing time at only 2.7%, with a total of only 24 supposed trashcan bangs, which made up just 1.04% of the total pitches he saw in 2017. This was also recorded in just 58 of the Astros’ 81 home games. However, the cheating took place between May 26th through September 21st. It was not for all 81 home games the Astros 2017 season. On top of that, not all 24 recorded bangs were correct either. Only 19, which at that point, is such a small sample size, who is to say that all 19 were 100% trashcan bangs.
There is also no evidence of a buzzer used in 2019, with the only rumored speculation coming from someone who claimed to be niece, but later the Beltran family coming out to debunk this, as the peson claiming to be his niece was not in any way related to them.
Even then, Altuve’s best season as hitter wasn’t 2017, but 2022. He put up a higher OPS+ and wRC+ in 2022 compared to 2017. He also put up a lower out of zone swing rate in 2022 than in 2017. Considering he was 32 by 2022, and only 27 in 2017, I’d say this was an overall better year, hitting wise for Altuve. 2023 was also very good on a rate basis with a 155 wRC+. In both 2014 and 2016, Altuve racked up more hits.
Take this information as you will, but in my opinion, based on the very little amount of cheating he did, assuming all 24 bangs were actually trashcan bangs, and the fact he’s had outstanding seasons, both before and after 2017, Altuve is one of of the most naturally gifted 2Bs to play the game.
More info on who cheated when can be found on signstealingscandal.com
Now this is a cogent, logical response I can respect- I still have no respect for him, but I respect your response, mlb1225.
“I’m speaking truth to power.” Or was your initial post sanctimonious BS? Hmmm… Get your facts straight if you’re going to post “truths”.
You came after me again on a separate comment.
You clearly have that kindergarten style crush on me where you wanna punch or push me down as an excuse to touch me.
Own up to it instead of always playing the victim.
I’m not playing the victim? I’ve never played the victim.
I say true things and you get upset and then come find me and respond.
You’re that kid who hits another kid and then runs away crying that *you* were the victim who got attacked.
Serious question: How old are you?
I know, I know, you’re now gonna say “how old are *you*!?” or something.
You seem to have a massive crush on me. I’m flattered, but I am very much spoken for.
Agree very solid post
As mlb1225 pointed out above, he has had great seasons since then. If you want to ignore the facts go ahead.
Don’t feed the troll, just mute it.
Muting’s no fun!
Question to Astros_fan_in_Aus:
How is it being a troll if I am acknowledging reality?
You should go to Walmart and buy a life. It’s on sale.
And yet you responded to me multiple times.
Also I live in a Wal-Mart free area. Too bougie.
Go start your own blogsite – TTO’s random showerthoughts – and you can post your long-form drivel there.
But you clearly love to comment on it! Wouldn’t want you to have to go find a new site, sign up, etc. so like the guys who went from buzz feed to the Watcher YouTube channel, starting my very own network and website would be inadvisable, since MLBTR is the YouTube of baseball comment sections.
Plus, $6.99 a month is an insane price for a single person’s comments.
Perhaps go look up what the definition of a troll is and do some self-reflection. You continue to be Exhibit A here.
Dude speak for yourself. I know what it is and acknowledging a cheating player getting some karma is not internet trolling, it’s basically a real journalist showing facts to a Kool-Aide drinker and the Kool-Aided person can’t handle something they can’t refute with their feelings, because facts don’t support their feelings.
The list of players in MLB history who have “cheated” is a long one. Not that you would know much about that.
You mean guys like Sammy Sosa, Albert Belle, Wilton Guerrero, Chris Sabo, Billy Hatcher, José Guillén, and Miguel Olivo with corked bats?
Or do you mean Gaylord Perry with the spit ball?
Or the 1951 New York Giants with a sign stealing scheme?
Or the Houston Astros buzzers/sign stealing of 2016-2019 or somewhere in there?
Etc.
Of course- lots of different types of cheating/dishonest approaches to the game.
Doesn’t give the Astros a pass.
The nine-time All-Star hasn’t looked like himself at the plate this year.
Has he looked that other 5 foot 6 inch ballplayer?
It’s time he showed his unfinished tattoo
Heck yes.
Only other year he’s had negative WAR was 2020. Real question is, does Altuve have Covid?
Will he get in the HOF? Tough call
No, imho. He is going to finish close to the universal average for HOF (statistically), but, imo his ties to the cheating scandal from 2017-2019 will hurt his chances beyond redemption.
Seconded.
I disagree on the fact he won’t get in because of his connection to the cheating scandal. Carlos Beltran, who suppoedly was the guy who started the whole cheating scandal, went from under 50% of ballots in his first year, to just over 70% in his third year. He’ll probably make it into the HOF by his 5th year on the ballot, but with how much gains he’s made in the last 2 years, it’s totall possible he makes it in this balloting season.
Altuve isn’t even close to the biggest offender from the 2017 team either. If anything, he did the least amount of cheating among their regulars. Apparently, he only saw 24 pitches in total with the trash can bang, with 19 being correct. The Astros had eight other players see at least 50+ bangs. Marwin Gonzalez had the most with 147. Jake Marisnick had the highest rate at 22.4%. Concidentially, both had career years in 2017. Altuve has had outstanding years, both before and after 2017.
Here’s where I think Altuve became the poster child for this whole debacle:
When we saw him hit that home run and he tugged at his uniform and clearly went out of his way to insist that his team mates not accidentally rip off his shirt- which is a weird thing to request while doing your victory jog down the third base line, because when does that actually ever happen? And why would it matter?
I know, I know, chest tattoo… .. or maybe it was a buzzer/clicker/morse code thingie he was using to anticipate the pitch he just hit.
And I think that’s the thing that made him the poster child.
It’s like if all the kids in the class are goofing around and the teacher turns around and only catches one kid being blatant about it even though other kids were acting worse, it just wasn’t as blatantly obvious when the chaos was at its height.
There’s still zero evidence after all this time and investigation outside of “I don’t want to rip my jersey off” which I guess is kinda weird, but nothing more than that. But if wasn’t participating cheating in 2017, why all of a sudden would he start cheating in 2019? If you want to blame him for not stepping in and doing something about it, speaking up, etc. I understand. But that doesn’t mean he cheated.
Mlb1225: I respect your opinion, and obviously it’s just as valid as mine, but I honestly don’t think Altuve can be compared to Beltran because Beltran was a HOF player well before 2017, and his cheating year didn’t advance any of his statistics in any significant way.
Bregman, Altuve, Springer, Correa, etc, all had great years during the questionable seasons of 2017-2019, directly contributing to their candidacy.
Perhaps the second greatest pitcher of all time (Clemens) and several of the greatest hitters of all time (A-Rod, Bonds, McGuire, etc) are unsupported in their HOF candidacy because of cheating allegations, even if their participation was minimal when compared with that of their contemporaries.
Again, just one guy’s observations, and I could very well be wrong.
Seriously culpability based on number of bangs?
Taken out of context that comment is hilarious DDT.
If he doesn’t make it in, it’ll be because of statistical reasons, not cheating in my opinion. Comparing how an OF fares in HOF voting and a 2B does is very different. Beltran is a great outfielder. But Altuve is only one of 5 post integration 2Bs with 50+ WAR and an OPS+ above 120.
It would help if he could add a few more WAR and counting numbers, but if he retired today, I’d bet he makes it in his latter years on the ballot. He’s a humble guy, he didn’t want the bangs, and I don’t think the “buzzer theory” stands up under close scrutiny.
Now if Correa’s numbers come close to HOF-worthy, he’s a different story.
More like Hall of Cheatros amirite?
I have to laugh when people defend PED users with the “everyone was doing it” excuse with all the immaturity of a six year old and then go bonkers over one season of the Astros signal stealing as if it’s the greatest sin in baseball history. Good lord, give it up.
I’ll bite. Everybody was doing PEDs, guys like Bonds, McGwire, Giambi, etc. didn’t determine the it cone of the entire game’s championship aka the World Series.
There absolutely *is* a moral, ethical difference between steroid usage and a system devised to let hitters know what pitches are coming and where they’ll be located as a team effort to cheat vs individual efforts.
I will never give it up.
Astros were cheaters and all of those awful overrated players were exposed after they had to stop cheating and their numbers cratered.
Y’all get so so so upset that I’m simply acknowledging something you guys have decided didn’t happen when it clearly did.
It’s oddly personal. Like you seem… genuinely upset.
I hope you fill the voids in your lives where you feed this illusion.
I know I know-same to me.
Here’s the thing: teams could do a better job with signs so they don’t get stolen. And there is no way the advantage held for every pitch. And how about those games where the Astros got shut out or only scored one or two runs and lost?
How did the Diamondbacks and Red Sox beat Mariano in the postseason? How could they ever guess what was coming? Millar? Mueller?
Why does every outcome suddenly enable 20-20 hindsight? Oh, they must have cheated?
The election was stolen?
Good lord.
The election was stolen? When did I say anything like that?
And I never said the Red Sox or Dbacks cheated.
Arizona out pitched us and out clutch hit us, plain and simple. They deserved to win.
That 2004 come back win that took the Red Sox to the World Series was painful but I accept it was legitimate.
Mariano failed. He’s the greatest closer of all time *and* he failed.
I am confident those teams didn’t cheat. Peak Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling was a legitimate one two knock out.
The *Astros* of the 2016-17, etc era are my only gripe here.
Nobody’s numbers cratered, smart guy.
How did you know? Yes, I *am* former child actor Taj Mowry, brother to ‘Sister, Sister’ stars Tia and Tamera Mowry.
The Astros were the only ones sign stealing, just like Jose Canseco was the only one shooting up.
Truth is we won’t know for sure unless there’s another whistleblower because it was an open secret that everyone was sign stealing. Jeff Passan even reported at the beginning of the frenzy that the Rangers and Brewers were the ones getting the most accusations for sign stealing.
Numerous players like Steven Souza, Lucas Giolito, Joey Votto have all come out saying everyone was doing it, but won’t name specific teams/ways (probably bc they’re implying their own team).
And the numbers haven’t cratered, Altuve had his best year in 2022 and followed that up with his 3rd highest wRC+ of his career in 2023. Correa just posted his highest wRC+ of his career last year.
I defend both equally. Sign stealing was considered an ok thing to do until it suddenly wasn’t. And given the lack of concern that people have when football players get busted for PEDs, I really don’t care if baseball players use them, too Nobody should be kept out of the HOF for either of the two. But I agree with your general point, that people have gone way overboard bashing the Astros when they weren’t the only ones “guilty.”
The problem is at least partly because mlb sits idly by whilst the miscreants perform their shenanigans, then swoop in like the cavalry to defend their phony baloney jobs.
Harumph.
@whyhayzee, we get it, you’re a miserable Red Sox fan and since it was the Yankees who lost the ALCS to the Astros, you don’t think it was cheating.
Maybe his butt hurt from all the booing
Your writing is awful, Deeds. “Sensible as that decision may be“ is NOT PROPER ENGLISH. You can’t just leave “as” out to begin the sentence. It’s not optional! Grammar is not optional when you’re being paid to write.