10:15am: Jon Heyman of the New York Post reports that there is “nothing hot” between the Mets and White Sox regarding Robert as things stand, though he goes to acknowledge that the Mets have “checked in” on him previously and that center field could be an area the club has interest in upgrading.
9:15am: White Sox center fielder Luis Robert Jr. has long appeared to be the club’s most obvious trade chip for the 2025 season, and a report from USA Today’s Bob Nightengale last weekend suggested that Chicago may be motivated to move Robert before the end of May if he were to continue playing well throughout the month. Robert has gone just 4-for-19 at the plate with one walk and five strikeouts since that piece was published, but today Nightengale reports that teams have begun to show interest in Robert with the Mets among the clubs to have checked in.
The 27-year-old could certainly make plenty of sense in Queens. Robert’s offense has left much to be desired over the past two years, as he’s slashed just .215/.282/366 with a lackluster 82 wRC+ across 137 games since the start of the 2024 season. That’s essentially a full season’s worth of games where Robert has struck out at a 32.6% clip and hit just 19 homers, though he has walked at a solid 8.3% clip and stolen 38 bases in that time while serving as a capable defensive option in center field.
While Robert’s recent production isn’t exactly exciting, it’s impossible to deny his talent. Staying healthy has always been a question for Robert, but he offered star-level production when on the field from 2021 to 2023 with a .287/.331/.511 (129 wRC+) slash line and 10.6 fWAR in just 311 games. That’s a four- to five-win player over a full season, and while his recent downturn in production makes expected a five-win campaign like his 2023 season somewhat unrealistic, it’s worth noting that Robert’s been hurt badly this year by a .244 BABIP that falls well below the career norm for a player who’s never posted a figure below .300 before in a season. A look at Robert’s solid .326 xwOBA would suggest that his underlying performance this year is more or less in line with the production he put forward in 2022, when he slashed .284/.319/.426 with a wRC+ of 111 in 98 games.
That sort of production would be extremely valuable for a Mets club that already lost its starting center fielder in Jose Siri for the first half of the season due to a fractured tibia. That’s left Tyrone Taylor to handle center field duties in Queens, and while he’s been serviceable with a .249/.295/317 (90 wRC+) slash line, he’s not exactly been an impact player for the Mets and lacks the superstar upside Robert offers. Center field is one of very few holes in New York’s lineup; the club is only ranked below average by both fWAR and wRC+ at three positions so far this year: second base, left field, and center field. Brandon Nimmo is entrenched in left and has wound up above-average at the plate in each of the last eight seasons, while second base is covered by a combination of Luisangel Acuna, Brett Baty, and Jeff McNeil. None of those names have firmly grabbed hold of the everyday job at the keystone to this point, but that depth of options makes an external addition seem unlikely.
That leaves center as the obvious place for an upgrade, and the pickings at the position figure to be slim this summer outside of Robert. Perhaps Cedric Mullins could be available if the Orioles can’t dig themselves out of their current hole in the standings. The Twins could deal either Willi Castro or former Met Harrison Bader if the club’s current seven-game winning streak proves to be simply a flash in the pan. Robert stands out from that pack, however, as an option controlled beyond the 2025 season (via a pair of $20MM club options for 2026 and ’27) and by offering higher upside than any of them.
Of course, any deal would be contingent on the sides being able to agree on an asking price. Nightengale writes that the White Sox are “eyeing” right-hander Blade Tidwell as part of the of a possible return package, though it’s unclear if the Mets would have any interesting in parting ways with the 23-year-old. Tidwell made his big league debut last week, and while it didn’t go well (six earned runs in 3 2/3 innings), he remains a valuable part of the starting pitching depth chart for a Mets club that has dealt with a number of early-season pitching injuries already. It would be understandable if the Mets were hesitant to include a big league ready arm like Tidwell in the return for Robert, especially if the deal were to happen early in the season before the trade market heats up in earnest. Speculatively speaking, the club could be more open to dealing a player like Tidwell later in the year, when they may have either received reinforcements from the injured list or swung separate trades with other clubs to acquire more starting pitching.
How about Pete Crow Armstrong…sorry
Mets should be all in for Devers.
No they shouldn’t. They have a 3b.
Mets should be all in for Jacoby Ellsbury.
Yes Mets please trade for Luis Roberts J.R
Nah, they have plenty of guys to rotate through the DH slot already.
He doesn’t get paid enough to play CF
The Mets are the best trade match up for the White Sox. I really think they end up making a deal.
Maybe, the Sox get Jett Williams or Carson Benge.
No way. Not interested at that price.
“The Mets are the best trade match up for the White Sox.”
Agree.
“Maybe, the Sox get Jett Williams or Carson Benge.”
Holy moly, strongly disagree.
The ChiSox should get nothing other than salary relief for Roberts. The team is paying him $15 million for 2025. The ChiSox have a team option to pay Roberts $20 million for 2026, and for 2027.
No. Just, no.
No doubt the White Sox will try to fleece somebody in a Robert trade. But other clubs see a guy who gets hurt a lot, is wildly inconsistent, and has a big salary. Good luck to the Sox on getting any kind of worthwhile return.
From the Mets, Alex Ramirez and Jonah Tong should be a good return for Robert.
That would be stupid for the Mets. Even if the Mets were to use Tong as a trade chip, it would have it be for a better player than Robert Jr.
No one wanted Alex Ramirez in free agency last winter. So why would they want his .470 OPS now.
I still like Ramirez, thats why I included him in my hypothetical trade offer.
Tong is a pitcher of interest.
Of course he is. He threw a perfect game yesterday in AA.
They aren’t giving up Tong.
Id trade Robert for Kevin Parada, Joel Pintaro and Alex Ramirez. Thats a haul in my opinion.
Alex Ramirez sucks donkey balls. Hard pass.
Adding: Alex Ramirez is a terrible baseball player in every aspect of the game. Toolsy. Whoopeee.
Tong is too much. Ramirez is too little. Tidwell and an infielder like Vargas or Rodriguez
Jonah Tong is the best arm in the Mets’ system.. giving up anything close to him for Robert would be plain stupidity
The Sox should keep Robert. He’s young, young enough to be an important part of a rebuilt team. I’m tired of prospects who can’t hit, pitchers who can’t find the plate, and outfielders who rack up big numbers in the mid-minors.
They should. They should have kept all their stars. But, as we all know JR isn’t paying for talent.
The Sox will not get a haul for him (as I have little faith in Getz), and I feel anyone getting Robert is basically going to get a guy who can produce well and did not have to give up much for him. I think Robert can be a good, if not great, player, I just think the clownshow org he is with has demoralized him to the point of having a lot of apathy, same with most of the guys in that locker room.
Robert saw a manager he liked in Renteria get stabbed in the back by the owner and replaced with a has been retired LaRussa who had no clue how to manage a locker room anymore.
They then replaced ineptness with more in Grifol and then putting another rookie manager in place in Venable instead of a veteran manager who could really connect with these guys and get the most of out them (likely due to that vet costing too much and likely wanting control over his staff, which Venable clearly does not have.) I can only imagine having to spend that much time around an org like that. Basically coming into the locker room knowing you have a greater chance to lose instead of win. .
I have a feeling when Robert gets to an org that knows what its doing, he will flourish. Its sad that he will do it somewhere else, but I still would like to see the kid succeed and knowing how inept Getz is, someone will get Robert for a song.
Taylor has a 371 slugging percentage not 317.
While I get the potential ability that Robert Jr. has, it’s not an upgrade for the Mets right now.
“Center field is one of very few holes in New York’s lineup”
To this point, Tyrone Taylor has produced 0.7 bWAR and OPS+ of 91 across 33 games and 114 plate appreances. Robert Jr. has 0.5 bWAR and 79 OPS+ in 37 games and 152 pa’s.
Taylor’s no stud, but he’s been better this year then Robert Jr.
Maybe he bounces back after leaving the White Sox, but if not, he’s just a more expensive version of Taylor.
The upside is intriguing, but I’m not eager to give up much for a guy that has to bounce back to be good, and who costs some notable money while I’m waiting for him to bounce back.
Everyone bounces back after leaving the White Sox…
Not Eloy Jimenez
Agree that Robert is not an upgrade to Taylor right now. But lineups are a rotation these days, and acquiring him would be about adding depth to that. Having Robert allows them to rotate Nimmo into the DH spot more often and preserve Nimmo’s health – his contract runs thru 2030, and has full no-trade protection. It would allow them to dump Marte. It would provide more speed to a team that generally lacks that.
I agree that I would not give up a lot for him. But you and I are just looking at numbers. We have no idea what the Mets’ hitting lab and experts think they can correct to get Robert back on track.
Robert would be a HUGE upgrade from Tyrone Taylor.
He wouldn’t even be an upgrade from Azocar.
“Robert would be a HUGE upgrade from Tyrone Taylor.”
You clearly don’t know anything about Taylor. Taylor has a higher OPS+ and is a great defender, at times elite. Robert as he’s currently playing is a downgrade. Robert also makes $12 million more than Taylor this season, which means something significant because the Mets are over the CBT.
My interest (as a Mets fan) grows if we deal Marte with a couple of good not great prospects for Robert. The 2025 salaries are pretty close.
Either he just sucks now or he’s giving minimal effort or he’s hurr. The contract looks terrible if this is who he is, and it’s been a while since he performed at a high level.
I dont think they can trade him for a real prospect.
Robert is showing signs of returning to form.
First 17 games: .136/.235/.203
Next 20 games: .229/.341/.429
The people that don’t recognize the huge talent that Robert is don’t watch him play. All they do is look at a batting average.
He will bring back a nice return for the Sox because real baseball people recoginize the superstar potential there that was just seen the year before last. He will be even better playing for a real franchise and not playing meaningless games surrounded by AAAA players.
roob:
How about the .657 OPS from last year? Or the .619 OPS this year?
I don’t think so roob
@roob, even if he has “potential to be a super star”, there is no guarantee he will be a super star. Maybe you can say the ChiSox lineup doesn’t support Roberts JR and he is trying to hard (which explains his low OPS and other valuable stats). But reality is, he should take the walks when they happen, lower his K% while increasing his BB%, and that should help his OBP and OPS. Teams need players to get on base to make things happen. Right now, Roberts Jr isn’t lowering his Ks and drawing the walks. Teams will not throw anything that he can hit without someone supporting him that can be above average hitter behind him. His stock would change significantly if he gets on base more often and lowering that K% to 20%. If he does this and gets traded, he could see more hittable pitches and increase his overall offensive production. There are more teams than the Mets who can increase this guys potential that have a scary offense. Half the league could use him and unlock whatever potential super stole talent he has. First is improving his strikeout numbers and getting on base more often even if it includes walking a ton.
Either way, I’ve been watching him and his market since the offseason to get a feel for the guy. He is trying to hard to make magic happen every AB. Which is doomed for success and gives him less likely to be elite. If my beloved Pirates had true hitting, I’d welcome him in the Burgh and belief of his talent. Right now, I just done see elite hitting from him. Just another Micheal Taylor potential at the moment. Hopefully Taylor isn’t getting in Roberts head though
How much of a discount would the acquiring team get because of his erratic performance, and health record? The article says “star-level” performance, but he hasn’t always performed that way. They will have to pay, of course, but shouldn’t have to offer a super-star’s price.
If the White Sox take Starling Marte’s 2025 contract liability back, they should get a star-level prospect package in return.
Let’s see.
Not Jett, not Benge.
Not McLean, not Tong, not Sproat.
Not Gilbert. Too close to the majors. Mets might need him in 2025.
No catchers. Chisox are loaded at C.
Well, if the Mets are not giving up ANYNODY of value, then there is no reason to bother taking back Marte in the deal.
Day late dollar short.
Cliche hotline : 1 800 MYF-AULT
Probably not worth the ask price
Definitely not. Robert’s talent has been dormant since 2023. Sox will be lucky to get one viable prospect in a package of mostly meh players. Maybe LAD will take him for Chris Taylor and their best AAA player.
With a team option of 20 mil for the next two season a or a 2 mil buy out? Sounds like a 5 mil player
“the superstar upside Robert offers”
Whatever Deeds is smoking, I want some.
Go look at Robert’s 2023 stats and it should start making more sense to you.
He does offer that much upside.
Yeah, there’s no real argument that Robert doesn’t have legitimate superstar upside, it’s just a matter of whether or not he will ever be able to tap into it again.
Right. He did and he will again when he plays for a major league team. Can’t people see what a joke the White Sox franchise is right now?
He will play better once he’s on a good team.
Is there some kind of magic switch or something?
Well, the run and RBI counts will go way up.
and the walks go back to being very infrequent, and….hopefully the K’s don’t spike as they’ve pretty much always been up near the ‘not ok’ mark
Really, I mean have you SEEN the White Sox org?
I mean if you are a Mets fan you should know what a crap org can do to morale of its players.
The Mets were never a crap organization. I’m sure they all give up on making money because they play for Chicago. Money doesn’t mean anything to them anymore.
Baty has finally shown flashes of being a legitimate big leaguer, maybe he would be the centerpiece with a couple of lottery picks thrown in.
If Baty’s recent success does prove to be legitimate, the Mets would want to keep him. he can play 3B next year while Vientos moves to 1B after Alonso leaves.
geofft:
The season is very young, but you still think Alonso is leaving after this year with the way he’s been performing?
Absolutely. The contract pays him only $24 million for next year. He wanted way more than that and a long-term deal
last winter. The better he performs, the better his chances of getting that big contract.
Plus: he will not have the QO attached to him this year, and will not have four other starting-caliber 1st-basemen on the market with him.
geofft:
But we know the Mets have more money to spend on him than anyone. A big reason they didn’t sign attempt to sign him to a bigger contract this past off-season is he was coming off a down year and looked like he might be declining. This year, at least at this point, he’s showed he’s not declining. Anything can happen in free agency, but I would make no assumptions that they’re not going to bring him back.
Its pretty clear by their spending patterns after signing Soto that they did not intend to go too far over the $301 million bench mark. They went out of their way and made an exception to their payroll plans to sign Pete to a short-term deal this year when they had no real way to replace him, AND had a weakness at DH to boot. So they had a serious need for one more big bat.
There are multiple reasons to believe that Steve Cohen will not keep spending like this for much longer. I’ll avoid writing an essay on that for now.
geofft:
I think what’s clear is that Cohen is always going to have the final say if he wants to make an expenditure, and the Mets will make it. Signing Alonso to a long-term deal doesn’t increase the payroll though. The AAV isn’t going to be anything more than it is now. It’s just going to be a long-term deal. Ultimately, I think he’s going to spend what he thinks will help the team. I don’t think they’re going to go out of their way to spend just to spend, but when money is your greatest resource, you use it.
Zero percent chance he leaves the Mets after the season. A long term contract will be worked out.
I’m a firm believer Alonso will do the same as last season and test the market. Assuming he keeps this up, he’ll get the offers he wanted without the QO. Once they’ve maxed out a longer term deal they’ll go back to the Mets and give them the ability to match or beat. Outside of a crazy 5+ year offer I think he’s a Met. With Marte and Winker off the books that will eat into the 27m they save while the rest goes towards pitching, possibly CF and an Alvarez extension.
Vientos DH.
“serving as a capable defensive option in center field.”
He’s the BEST defensive option on 90% of all teams in the United States including minors teams.
Defense is his number 1 skill now. Speed is second and occasional power 3rd.
I wouldn’t bother. The WS will want to trade him like he is a 150-game performer, when his history suggests otherwise. The 15 SBs are good for fantasy purposes, but the 15/5 ration offers little value.
The Mets have excellent outfield prospects in the minor leagues. It would make no sense to take Roberts or virtually any other centerfielder except in all star centerfielder for any kind of minor league pitching prospects. Their minor league area of strength currently is the outfield. Why would they trade pitching for that. They could simply bring in one of their outfield prospects and get similar production as Roberts or many of the centerfielders mentioned here. The only thing the Mets need to trade for is pitching, specifically relief pitching. Everything else is good enough, especially as the temperature warms up and the batters and runners hit their stride. Even Soto despite slumping has an OPS greater than 800 and it will only go up from there. If they can get starting pitching, that’s great, but mostly they just need relief pitching because many of the starters are not going beyond five innings.
Not to mention, Siri will be back soon enough
@ Yellow: Umm, WHICH Mets are you talking about?? Despite some progress, OF is still the weakest part of their minor league system and CF is particularly weak. Gilbert is regarded as a great corner weak CF, defensively. Clifford is a weak defender who is spending 85% of his time at 1B and DH. Jett Williams has played OF only 35 times in his career, most of them in A-ball, and only twice this season. Morabito is struggling in AA. Benge and Serrano look promising, but its still too early to assess.
Think Luis Robert will come down to the Mets, Dodgers or Phillies. But at this point, Robert is not worth a top 3 organizational prospect, or the multiple top 100 prospects they were reportedly asking for last year. Instead, if I were the Phillies, I’d try to take advantage of the hot starts of Johan Rojas, Mick Abel & Otto Kemp. Throw in another top 20 or so SP prospect (since the Phillies have so much depth) like McGarry or Ottenbriet. 4 for 2, Phils acquire Robert & Jordan Leisure and knock out both needs in one trade.
Agreed. As a Sox fan you’re pretty realistic on a return. Unless, he starts mashing in the next month then they will get a little more.
Hes been healthy and his defense and base running have been good. Also, he’s walking far more than ever. He just hasn’t gotten hot yet with the bat. When that comes watch out.
Yeah, i think he can be dangerous again. I just wish someone could convince him that he has enough power to just stop trying to pull every pitch and hit opposite side of the field. Once someone can get that into his head he will be dangerous (and no the Sox org is horribly inept in that they kept the last hitting coaches from last years trainwreck on Venables staff)
The Mets don’t really have any notable prospects so this is probably leaked by the Sox to drive up the offer from an actual trade partner/Mets rival like the Phillies
Not true at all. The Mets have a number of very good prospects that the Sox would love to have.
sss847:
Says the guy who clearly knows nothing about the Mets farm system. mlb.com has them ranked as the 12th best farm system in baseball. They have three top 100 prospects. They have more than enough to trade for Luis Robert Jr. However, I wouldn’t wouldn’t give anything near that for him. I wouldn’t even be interested in trading for that dump heap. And how would the Phillies be a better trade partner? Mlb.com has them ranked as the 17th best farm system. I know all these rankings are subjective, but I don’t think you know exactly what you’re talking about.
Sss847 been locked up since 2019.
“The Mets don’t really have any notable prospects”
Lol, someone doesn’t know anything about the Mets system. Any of their top prospects would be an overpay for Robert at this point. In no order: Gilbert, Tong, Sproat, Jett Williams, Benge, McLean, Clifford. Robert is in his second straight season of struggling pretty badly and Taylor is nearing a league-average OPS+ with stellar defense. Mets are not desperate here.
LuBob to SFG for a Birdsong and Matos?
Not sure why any team would be lining up for a guy who other than one huge year has either been ineffective, unhealthy, or both.
Plenty of teams have no interest in adding his salary as well.
For the Sox to get anything for Robert, it will take low ball offers, unlees Robert starts really raking it before the AS break…Using that low ball offer to find that one ‘diamond in the rough’ that will turn out to be a monster, However, I doubt the Sox have the personnel to find that player, nor the development coaching in the minors to get it out of that player.
Sell,sell, sell……
Robert has been trending down for the past 2 years. While I do think to some extent that some of his issues are due to the fact that he basically has zero protection in the lineup, it still doesn’t excuse him for being that bad. If I was Stearns, I’d offer up Megill and Nick Morabito in a deal for Robert. Nothing more than that
Hey Mets fans, how would you feel about trading some combination of Jesus Baez, Drew Gilbert and Edward Lantigua for Luis Robert?
No deal that includes Gilbert
So Baez and Lantigua would be an option?
Horribly. Way too high of a price.
No way. Robert is worth it only as a salary dump plus an unheralded single A prospect