Pete Alonso is returning to free agency, as the Mets first baseman told the New York Post’s Mike Puma and other reporters that he won’t be exercising his player option for the 2026 season. Alonso will instead leave his $24MM salary on the table and head to the open market in search of a longer and more lucrative deal.
The announcement came just minutes after the Mets’ season-ending 4-0 loss to the Marlins, which officially eliminated New York from postseason contention and put a coda on the club’s devastating second-half swoon. Given the timing, Alonso’s statement adds to the sting of a dismal day for Mets fans, yet there wasn’t much point in Alonso waiting a few more weeks to make what seemed like an obvious decision. Even dating back to when Alonso signed his two-year, $54MM deal last February, there was little doubt that he would be re-entering free agency again this winter.
Over 709 plate appearance and a full 162 games played, Alonso hit .272/.347/.524 with 38 home runs. This is the best batting average Alonso has posted over his seven Major League seasons, as well as his second-best slugging percentage. Alonso’s 141 wRC+ is tied for his second-highest career mark in that category. His 144 wRC+ from his 53-homer rookie year in 2019 remains his career peak, but the 141 number is well above the 121 wRC+ Alonso delivered over the 2023-24 seasons.
The “Polar Bear” had a lower walk rate in 2025 than in 2024, but he also reduced his strikeout rate. His already-strong hard-hit ball rate jumped up to elite levels, as his 54.3% hard-hit ball rate ranks in the 96th percentile of all batters. It all adds up to a stronger platform year for Alonso than his free agent trip last year, when his market never seemed to gel and he ended up settling for his short-term deal with New York. Alonso is also no longer eligible to receive a qualifying offer, so teams will no longer have to surrender any draft compensation to make a signing.
Some questions will still linger for potential suitors. Alonso turns 31 in December, and he remains a first base-only player whose limited glovework is rated negatively by public defensive metrics. Several clubs will be wary about making a huge financial commitment to a player in his 30s who might already be best suited to DH duty, which automatically puts some limits on Alonso’s market.
Still, Alonso’s power is hard to ignore, and he would provide an immediate jolt to any lineup in search of a hitting upgrade. Agent Scott Boras has a long history of eventually finding his contracts for his clients, even if perhaps they first need to take a shorter-term, opt-out laden deal like Alonso did last winter as a stop-gap.
Alonso famously turned down a seven-year, $158MM extension offer from the Mets back in 2023 (when Alonso wasn’t represented by Boras), and he has already made $50.5MM over the 2024-25 seasons — a $20.5MM salary in his final arbitration-eligible year of 2024, and a $20MM salary and $10MM signing bonus in 2025. In that sense, Alonso needs to land a five-year, $107.5MM contract this winter to at least match the money left on the table in that extension offer, and a five/$107.5 deal certainly seems feasible in the wake of his big 2025 numbers.
Could another reunion with the Mets be in the offing? While owner Steve Cohen is known to be a big Alonso fan, he was public about his displeasure with the nature of negotiations with Alonso’s camp last offseason, and it looked for a while like Alonso would be signing elsewhere. Who knows if any hard feelings may still exist, and this winter, it certainly seems less likely that Alonso will be willing to settle for much below his asking price. If Cohen or president of baseball operations David Stearns continue to hold a hard line on their valuation of an Alonso contract, Alonso’s time in Queens might finally be up.
The Mets’ collapse could work for or against Alonso’s chances of a return. On the one hand, Alonso was clearly not part of the problem, so Cohen might decide to throw financial caution to the wind to bring back a fan favorite slugger. On the other hand, the Mets might prefer to direct their biggest spending towards their larger need of pitching help, and address first base either with a lower-cost acquisition or an internal answer. Mark Vientos looked like a possible in-house replacement at first base after his breakout 2024 campaign, but Vientos’ lackluster 2025 numbers raised several doubts about his viability as a long-term part of New York’s lineup.

It’s very obvious, but he’s not leaving. Seeking more money, however, the Mets need pitching who’s available this off-season, especially if they are afraid to go after Skenes.
Afraid? Skenes has like 5 years of team control and will basically gut the entire farm system to attain! Literally every team is “afraid” to go after him
Lol get ’em!
Spend an insane amount of money on a guy whose likely a year or two away from TJ surgery. Good call.
Pirates don’t know what they are doing. Give them four prospects and they will be happy. They don’t even have to be top prospects.
If Skenes was put on the market, there would be signicant offers from numerous teams. No team will get him for a package of so-so prospects. That’s not how it works.
No
Not even the Pirates would be dumb enough to entertain an offer for Skenes without calling the rest of the league to see if they could get anything better.
They’re criminally cheap, not braindead.
Skenes is on the market. The team knows that he will walk when free agency happens, so why not gain something in return before it is too late.
You don’t understand El Kabong, this is the Pirates. They traded one of the top relievers on the market for a prospect that was in AA. They will do that.
Why is Skenes on the market? Because fans say he is?
Yes, the Pirates are making no moves to ensure a future around Skenes. It’s crazy but this is what we’ve come to expect out of Pittsburgh. Thus why there’s no talk about an extension.
But that doesn’t mean he’s on the market. He’s worth a lot as marketing and frankly all else being equal you still get a huge return for him in a year or two.
Braindead as well.
They have 4 years of team control, they are not even remotely close to it being “too late” to get something for him.
The point is right now is actually too *early* to get something for him, because his value on 1 more year of the pre-arb payscale and 3 arbitration years is so insanely high there is no possible way anyone would be willing or able to part with the prospect capital required to make it a close or desirable deal for the Pirates.
Like it or not he is stuck in Pittsburgh for another year or two before they can seriously entertain trading him. At that point with less time remaining to free agency his trade value will not be as impossibly high as it is today.
That’s aggressive assuredness there, pal.
The Mets are not getting Skenes.
Okay you’re right they are kind of braindead. But not THAT braindead, is what I meant.
Even they know not to do that
you act like being in AA is a bad thing.
There are only a handful of teams with a good farm system to even put forth an offer big enough to get him. And the Mets definitely aren’t on of those teams IMO.
At least the Pirates should know how to count numbers. There is no way that 4 second-tier prospects is the best deal they can get. Every other team will call them and offer more.
He should be traded before TJ appears.
@believe With the years he has remaining he could suffer a UCL injury miss a year and still have enough time to return, rebuild value, and still have years of team control left. There’s no way Nutting is not going to forgoe the financial benefits of keeping him for the next year or 2 and look to unload him later.
They traded one of the top relievers on the market for a prospect that was in AA.
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They traded for THREE prospects, not one. And that is what last-place teams should be doing.
Sabermetric Acolyte
Why is Skenes on the market? Because fans say he is?
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They’re babbling incoherently. There should be a website where people can make individual bets on their opinions. I’d guess that the odds of Pitt trading Skenes this off-season probably 30-1.
I agree that it’s low, but I think 30-1 might be too low. I’d say more like 15-1. Biggest problem is that a team would be hard pressed to have that much prospect capital that would interest the Pirates.
MLB.com ranked the Dodgers’ system #1 in their midseason rankings, but the #12, 19, 43, 55, and 66 prospects for 4 years of Skenes still feels light. Mariners can offer more top 100 prospects, with as many as 9, so maybe something can be worked out there, but honestly, pitching isn’t their problem.
I do think, though, that the odds of him getting traded will take a significant step up next trade deadline, then next offseason, and I’ll be very surprised if he’s not dealt by the 2027 trade deadline.
You think Bednar was going to bring back a top prospect? Cmon, dude. Duuuuuuuuuude.
Year or 2 at a minimum.
I could see the Pirates keeping him until Skenes’s walk year. Skenes is irreplaceable, so Pirates can wait and still get a haul.
Barring and injury the odds obviously increase as years of team control count down. We arent talking rocket science here.
Bednar was horrible in 2024 and was bad to start 2025. He did return to form later in 2025 before the deadline but no team was going to pay big for a guy who was recently bad and only 1 more year of control. The Pirates got a good catching prospect and 2 younger prospects. That was not a horrible trade.
One more year, then Skenes will break records for arbitration. He will end up being the highest paid Pirate.
“Not even the Pirates would be dumb enough to entertain an offer for Skenes without calling the rest of the league to see if they could get anything better.
They’re criminally cheap, not braindead.”
Fine theory but go back and look at the package they took for Gerrit Cole and see that the rest of the league knows they can collude and low ball the Pirates.
Enlight me. How could teams that compete for championship collude and low ball the Pirates, by letting the other teams buy stars at a cheap price?
The Orioles have the prospects and the money to get Skenes. I hope they make a push.
@goat I’m sure private equity guy wants to trade six human beings for one, but he won’t offer a long term deal. It’s against every fiber of his being.
Oh he’s not? But Skenes is available for trade and then Mets need their budget to sign pitchers. Nobody is sure what you’re trying to say.
I think he’s saying an organization that’s not willing to spend the money to put a team around him, should consider sending him off for 4 or 5 top of the line prospects. He’s one pitch away from potentially being the next Strasburg. It’s a gamble to think about for small market teams.
I think people need to give up on the Skenes rumors this off season. Is there really a fair return for him? And I mean outside of a fantasy baseball/video game trade.
Only 23, 2 years experience, career ERA under 2, 4 years control. Has there ever been a comparable trade in MLB history? Look what the Red Sox gave to get Crochet. Even as a Red Sox fan I can admit that trade is a poor comparison for any realistic Skenes trade.
Trading Skenes would be bad business for the Pirates — no different than if the Tigers traded Skubal.
You are correct. He is simply too valuable to trade until he gets closer to FA. No team will be willing to pony up equal value for him right now, some teams with weaker farms might not even be mathematically able to.
It’s very different between trading Skenes and Skubal. Detroit isn’t in a rebuild. I’m not advocating they should trade Skenes but the haul they would get would speed up the road to relevancy immensely
You make a good point. It’s similar to several trades in history, even though the player, control and talent all make it stand out.
The Rangers Mark Teixeira in 2007 to Atlanta in a package of players that helped form the nucleus of two pennant winners. Tex is/was obviously a better baseball player than Feliz, Andrus and Harrison, but those guys were valuable pieces for contending clubs.
Similarly, Zack Grienke will end up in the Hall of Fame, but the Royals traded him for their starting shortstop and centerfielder of teams that won two pennants and one World Series.
Trading him doesn’t guarantee those kinds of returns, obviously, and one trade doesn’t make or break a team, but it could give them a better opportunity to field a better overall team if they can get a few good pieces back.
Personally, I think they should hold onto him at least another year before entertaining offers, but the idea isn’t outlandish if a team is ready to empty the tank.
Probably more than double the Miller package. Skenes is worth a lot more than double Miller.
I’d counter with Clark, McGonigle, Keith, Jobe and Sears. I’d pass on Perez because I don’t think he’s better than Cruz.
Make it count for both teams.
It’s very obvious that maybe he doesn’t want to be on a team that can spend like that and still miss the playoffs. If he doesn’t leave it’s to go across town to the other NY team
He leaves for the highest offer. Soto went to the highest bidder as well. Mets were 83-79. The Marlins crushed their dreams. rag tag bunch of no names.
You people that think skenes is available are delusional. Ask yourself what are you willing to give up for him. Are you thinking? Now start thinking again because that offer isn’t close now double it and the pirates still turn that down. Now forget about the idea of skenes being available for at least 2 more years.
I can’t imagine any trade for Skenes that doesn’t start with a young position player signed to a long contract as a headliner. Roman Anthony, Jackson Merrill, etc. And then it would still take two more top 50 prospects and two more top 125 prospects.
1 player and 4 prospects?! Too light by half, at least for now.
And that type of thinking is why your team is rebuilding constantly. By the time the Pirates are relevant Skenes will be a free agent. He’s the only card they hold to get better as a team. Yes he’s generational no denying that but if you want to see a winning record before the end of the decade you move him now while he’s controllable. Do or don’t I get it he’s legit but if you don’t he walks right when you’re ready to contend.
Exactamundo. As a Pirate fan who pounded the table for Skenes and not Crews in the draft it does pain me to admit that trading him this offseason is probably the best thing for the franchise. Bob won’t spend to build around him.
I don’t think it’s cut and dry he is staying. As long as the Mets keep his offer competitive he will probably return but after the way they treated him last year and no comp pick attached I wouldn’t be surprised if Boston, Arizona, or a dark horse team like the Reds make an offer the Mets might not want to match.
Pirates aren’t trading Livvy for at least another 3 or 4 years, they won’t trade Skenes either…
Then they are dumb. He’s a lottery ticket he brings back so much. Let’s not forget the fact that he’s a pitcher. He will affect 30 games a season. He will do very well in those 30 but what about the other 130? The Pirates aren’t built to win those games. They need the haul he brings and they need it ASAP as he brings more back while controllable.
Preach, brother.
They’ll keep him and earn from him for two more years, THEN trade him and get nearly the same package.
All of this discussion regarding Paul Skenes. I thought we were here to talk about the Mets losing.
LMAO
It’s good to maintain a healthy sense of humor in these dark times.
Crazy isn’t it. I guess I can understand, I was a diehard fan before as well. Once we notice that its just a game and putting that much hatred or any other feeling towards a game is just a waste of time, then I can have a mature conversation with some.
Life is way too short to have crazy emotions over a baseball team. But to each is own. I read the comments and smile, anything else would be doing myself a disservice.
Baseball was and always will be just a game, a pastime. Pastime means to pass time, if people have that much time to pass then I guess im doing something wrong. My time gets passed with my wife my children and my business. The Mets are something I do when im bored and have a second.
Im not judging, more like advice I guess. But im nobody so who cares right?
Everyone’s here to enjoy some baseball, and sometimes a little humor. No one should take any of this to heart.
Agreed. That’s how it should be. The hatred spewed on this site tells different. I feel bad for some but at least the site gives the mute option. That’s the best part.
You just described my 52 year old journey as Vikings fan.
I can’t see the Pirates trading Skenes before his 2nd arb year.
The pirates maybe a small market stupid franchise but they’re not brain dead. Why would the Mets even try to trade for him with 5 years of team control?? lol
I can’t figure out why so many people think the Pirates would move Skenes. He has a half decade of control and is the soul reason people go to their ballpark. He’s the type of guy you build around, not trade away
Because they just look at the worst teams and look for good players and say my team should trade for that guy because they see good players who are near free agency get traded for light returns.
These people fundamentally don’t understand why the player is traded and ultimately it’s usually all about control dictates value
You trade him because you’ve shown you can’t win with him. He had a sub 2 era and a 10-10 record that’s disgustingly bad from a team support standing. They can’t score runs and at the end of the day you have to do that to win games. I won’t deny they can make money marketing him for a few more years sure but they can make more trading him and actually winning baseball games. The haul would be immense. Herschel Walker immense but what did the cowboys do with that haul? Won 3 rings.
You’d never get enough back. These types of trades just don’t happen for too many reasons to list just stop mentioning them because it’s not worth talking about. It’s more likely the pirates trade for Mike trout than Skenes getting traded.
Why wouldn’t they get enough back? Is there a limit on what one can offer? Ownership doesn’t spend money and Pittsburgh has 3 prospects in the top 100. They’re not going to be good while Skenes is there. They can be good with the haul he brings. Again I’m not saying they must trade him but they should and I like your Trout reference cause if they keep Skenes they will waste his career the way the Angels have wasted Trouts.
Because you wouldn’t get enough back. Because no team is going to give up 3,4 major league players plus 3,4 high end prospects.
It not going to happen just stop talking about it.
I also don’t want to hear about mlb needs a salary cap anymore either. Mets just missed the playoffs with 340 million payroll
Skenes not enough. They should get Ohtani as well. Just send the top 3 ranked prospects to Pittsburgh and the next 5 ranked prospects to the Dodgers. There’s no way Pitt or LA would say no, I mean they’d be getting the Mets’ top 8 prospects!!!
Miami, the reason the Yankees don’t win division sweeping in August
Miami, the reason Mets go home.
No. It was actually (name any other team that beat both of them).
I’d say their failures against Toronto had more to do with it.
Joe, I kind of agree with mlbnyyfan. It’s understandable losing to the Jays. But the Marlins are a team they absolutely should beat 2 of 3.
The final month Marlins might be the best team in baseball right now. FWIW
mrkinsm, In September the Marlins were 13-11 and were outscored by 10 runs. Not sure about that “best team” for that month.
Beside that, mlbnyyfan was referring to a series in August when the Marlins were 13-17 and outscored by 36 runs that month.
Could also be the more than ten blown saves by various relievers. (Not blaming Williams,,or Doval) it was Williams and Doval… of course lots of other issues could be factored in for the one game difference. Williams n Doval…
The Yankees barely played .500 against teams in their own division. They didn’t let cole walk after he missed half the season. Another screw up by the $ man.
Yep, again, no argument there on their play on some of their games earlier on , however on Cole, he eventually decided not to walk. It was his choice and he opted not to use it. Yankees had no decision to make on him.
@mlbnyyfan
Miami is a better team now that the bench coach is calling pitches.
07, 08, now 25
Pay the man steve
Whatever it takes
Yeah pay two DH’s long term.
dont be an idiot
soto finished 2 sb shy of 40-40. he’s earned every penny so far
and pete had 38hr,126 rbi
get keith down from the booth to help pete at 1b, problem solved
He’s already earning it. He just had a great season. Did you miss it? He hits like Ted Williams and now even steals a ton of bases on top of that. And no, it’s not his fault that they missed the playoffs.
Ted Williams just turned over in his grave.
“Hits like Ted Williams”? Soto hit .263 this year at age 26. Ted hit .388 at age 39! Had 1 injured season at age 40 where he hit under .300.
Soto is a great player but doesn’t hit like Ted Williams
Soto didn’t:”earn every penny” or the Mets would still be playing games right now. He’s kind of A-Rod like in his statistical output to be honest, and there’s no doubt he checks his numbers every day
@bart
You’re excused from this conversation
This is a ludicrous statement. If someone hit 100 HRs and stole 100 bases in the same season and was consistently in that ballpark the market would absolutely dictate 800 Million. And if thats what the free market dictates then thats what hes worth.
PP, that was a really stupid comment. No one player wins games all by himself.
Soto earned every penny because he put up a 6.2 WAR, had a .921 OPS and 160 OPS+, and hit 43 HR while leading the league in SB with 38. You cannot ask for much more from him.
The reason the Mets collapsed at the end was a 4.96 ERA in August and September while at the same time Soto was crushing 18 HR and putting up a herculean 1.016 OPS.
BC showing a complete lack of how value is determined,
@Poison, are you blaming Soto for not pitching 9 innings every day too? He can only control so much of a game.
6.2 WAR .921 OPS 160 OPS+ 43 HR Led the league with 38 SB. Value is determined by production and his is far above his cost. If you are going to be a troll, at least learn something about the game before you try to troll.
Stolen bases equals good defender now? The Mets d was way below average as a team and it certainly didn’t help their depleted pitching. Stearns knows this
if juan soto isnt on the 2025 mets, then the 2025 mets are the 2025 rockies. end of discussion
and now youre muted
byyyye
Seems some one is trying to bait you.
Yes, and again, we were talking about this in February and March, when the Mets didn’t sign an ace or a #2 or put much effort into starting depth because they spent all that $$$ (let’s not forget the huge signing bonus) for the next 15 seasons on Soto. Where did the poster “Mets thumpin Soto era” go?
So yes, there are consequences, just like there were consequences when the Rangers signed A-Rod to (what was) a crazy deal in his time. Unbalancing a team’s salary structure is unbalancing a team., we’ve seen it time and again in MLB. The Yankees were able to put the Soto money into several positions (Fried, Grisham, Bellinger, the closers at the deadline) and became a better team for it.
What does that have to do with his defence?
For what he’s getting paid he better be batting over .300..Mets got hosed.
If they hit 100 HR and stole 100 bases they would be in line for $100 million per season or more.
Soto is worth the money he was paid. He provided approximately $8 million or 15% in surplus value for the Mets in 2025. In the 2024-2025 Offseason $2 billion was spent on FA players signed to MLB contracts that had produced a total of 198 WAR in 2024. That means each point of war was worth $10.1 million. Soto produced 6.2 WAR. You claim to understand value, so you do the math.
By the time his contract is up Soto’s AAV will not be in the top 40. If you don’t believe that, take a look at the top salaries in 2010.
This season 14 players earned a larger share of their team’s total payroll than the 15.9% of the Mets payroll that Soto earned.
No single player can carry a team to a World Series. It takes a 40-man roster or more to get a team there. It’s incredibly stupid to try to say that one player can.
Since you brought up McDonalds, the average McDonalds franchise store in California grosses $4.64 million in annual sales (nationally that average is $3.96 million) and has a net profit margin of 6% so, it’s quite obvious that they CAN afford to pay their workers $20 per hour. and make a healthy net profit
Soto led the NL in SB and safely stole a base over 90% of the time. If you don’t understand the amount of value that creates, maybe you need to follow another sport.
It doesn’t matter what Henderson did in his era. ALL that matters is what Soto did compared to his peers and Soto was the best in the NL at it.
Try using a baseball stats that baseball gms have used in the last 15 years because they haven’t looked at average in 15 years at least
BC, you are not only clueless about baseball, but you are also a bad troll. No sense in even seeing your posts anymore.
NY offered him a seven-year, $158M extension in 2023. That would have included Alonso’s final arbitration season (2024), wherein he was paid $20.5M. He just made $30M in the 2025 season. So, he needs to top $107.5M over the next five seasons in order to come out ahead on that bet on himself/agent.
@mr
after the season he just had
my guess is
5/150
I think it might be hard to get. How many teams can afford a 35 million 1st baseman? If cohen lets stearns make the decision this time around Alonso is not coming back. If he’s willing to take a higher AAV short contract I think the redsox could be interesting 2/80 if Bregman opts out. Alonso would probably be DH mostly.
Well, he didn’t waste any time lol
In fact I think I saw him with a pen in his hand during that last at bat…
Why wait?
I don’t see him getting 5/$100. What do you all think?
I agree with you. It’ll be like last year I think. He’ll linger & linger & linger. 3/60-70. There’s not a lot of teams that shell out those contracts that need him either. Probably only 5 teams would be in it.
@Brisbane, why on earth would he take 20-23 M$ per? He just made 30M$ this season!
If him and boras learned anything they should sign early. Because if he’s going to play the waiting game to get back with the Mets he’s going to end up with a shorter contract with less guaranteed. And if that’s the outcome you should just sign a bigger shorter term deal early when more teams are involved with more money available
I just don’t see it. Players like him don’t get paid much anymore. He might’ve just made 30, but who’s going to pay him 5/100 or 5/120?
The 3/60/70 probably is too low, but if he waits & lingers no one will be left with any $$ to spend & he might have to accept a deal like this.
@Brisbane, the Mets for one would die to have him at 5/100. It’s going to take much more than that.
He could easily get 5/$100 from multiple teams.
You are going to cover your eyes when he signs for 5/120 or more?
I’ll say he gets at least 100 but for 4 years instead of 5. but I also wouldn’t be shocked if he ends up with 150 million.
@Wade – LOL, he might not get 5 but he’ll get more than 100.
correct. but not in the way you’re thinking. he’ll get 3/100mil
@ Gary Don’t overstate it. The die was cast for him to opt out the day he signed this deal back in January.
Let’s see what someone will give him; 4,5, maybe 6 years?⚾
Pete Alonso, future Washington National. 4/$120
They have no money.
They actually have quite a bit of money, not Stevie Cohen money, but the Lerners have money. Now, whether they choose to deploy that money…you got me, there.
The team has a large amount of debt, more so than most. Maybe the Lerners, with their background in Real Estate development, are more comfortable than others would be with letting that ride. But they don’t seem ready for such a bold move.
I hope they have it enough together to finalize the Toboni hire.
I didnt know that. Are we talking Pohlad type debt with the twins?
If it’s 4/$120 million, I think the Mets match that.
And he’ll probably leave rather than accept an offer from the NYM front office that only matches.
Agreed. And I think Pete definitely stays with the Mets if the money is the same.
Definitely. The Mets will offer that. It’s the deals over 4 years that they won’t consider.
Dreaming,he is looking for huge money and years
They will see what they have now and not make many additions. They might even play garcia jr. at first. One thing I hope they do is play cj somewhere else. He is probably better suited for third than second since he doesn’t have much range.
@BB – that’s a lowball offer – certainly the Mets would match.
This is almost comical at this point lol.
lolmets
Looks like I was right about the season and everyone else was wrong. Like I said, they should have never of hired Menbozo. All of you can finally appolagize to me. It gets tiring of being right all the time
That other guy crybaby Mets fans was right too but he got attacked by Mets fans
You were totally right. Have to give it to you.
Yeah it was me. They won’t let me post with that account anymore
So your ban evading now wow how much lower can you sink? your even lower then the Mets themselves might as well be a fan at this point with how much your obsessed about them that you needed to make a second account to do this…
FYI I had this account a long time ago. I came in just to say I was right. I usually don’t do that but I have had a lot of hate in my direction for expressing my opinion and what I thought was true and I have a voice.
So, like it or not, I feel I have a right to talk and express it. I don’t step down to people online who want to denounce my views. That’s petty talk on their end.
I have said my word. I am checking updates and then I am leaving this joke of a place. The fans here have always been terrible, and you just continue to prove why. Now I’m leaving.
But people obviously liked my post because I didn’t give myself a single like, so maybe something true is out of it (we all knew the Mets were gonna tank).
I wouldn’t have made nearly as big a deal if I wasn’t given so much unwanted pushback when I spread my opinion in the beginning.
I wanted the Mets to get in, but reality showed it wasn’t gonna work this year, despite Mets fans biting my head off on day 1 to say they were better than the Dodgers.
If they have a right to relentlessly bash my prediction, I have a right to speak up to support my case now that it is over.
And fyi, I didn’t get banned.
You really act like an spoiled brat “So, like it or not, I feel I have a right to talk and express it.” All you have done is moan and groan about the Mets who aren’t your favorite team so why do you keep doing this? there are 28 other teams and I never see you talk about any of them your just obsessed with the Mets to the point it really looks crazed. Please get off your highhorse about how Mets fans are your a Red Sox fan stay in your lane and if you truly cared why do you keep starting stuff by stirring the pot? How is that helping anyone? your only making things worse and people already know how about you think about your actions before you start something but I get the feeling you won’t and oh if you didn’t get banned then please post your main account then why are you hiding behind an alt?
A suggestion. If people are hating on you for expressing an opinion, maybe, just maybe, it’s how you are presenting the opinion.
Don’t forget the how. It’s key if you are searching for respect.
You wanna know why I relish in the Met’s defeat? It’s disgusting what they paid for Soto. There’s organizations and places around the world who need that money more than some stuck up baseball star and Mets decide to pay him that much money. It’s sickening what the money has become while normal people strive day to day with paychecks. The fact that they spent that much and lost is pathetic. An absolute disgrace. I hold no regrets… Mets reaped what they sowed. They spent the money. They fell short.
@Cora after reading everything you seem to have some disturbing issues that your relishing in a teams defeat and all because they signed Soto? Really? that’s pathetic and childish and you say Mets fans are the problem? and not only you say that with no proof mind you that but also that they better then the Dodgers without giving any names or users at all? jeez this is just sad to the point I don’t even know if it is right to pity you and I am a Dbacks fan…
I am going to be honest here why do many people react so unhindge or edgy towards the Mets? what did they even do to some of these people they act like the Mets ruined their lives so they must hate them and cheer when guys get injured for them like I really can’t understand why its only towards the Mets and no other team in any sport I am legit confused
Folks like to target rich teams that under-perform.
Correction: I never said the Dodgers were any better, Mets fans did it themselves.
Say what you want.. the Mets are the spoiled ones.
I only went on this rant because I said one thing in the beginning and Mets fans wanted to eat me for breakfast. I don’t remember the username. It’s Padsfan or something like that but I think he’s changed his name multiple times.
If Mets fans could accept my opinion, I wouldn’t be on this raid but when you make the argument that they need more pitching on day 1 and get shut down from every angle, I feel I need to speak up when they are actually proven wrong. How my opinion was undermined (just for disagreeing and choosing a different team) was disgraceful
The only name you gave me and its not even a Mets fan you claimed that “despite Mets fans biting my head off on day 1 to say they were better than the Dodgers.” so your just lying and full of bs and trying to demonize a fan base. How are the Mets spoiled? because they spend money? like your mental gymnastics are so absurd. Mets fans are not accepting nor respect your opinion because your a troll all you do is antagonized them and paint them as like some sort blight on humanity. I would say learn to do better but even I have more hope in the Pirates. Angels and Rockies in doing better then seeing you be a better person Cora.
I like you buffoons who think all problems with baseball teams are because of the managers, like as if the front office doesn’t tell him exactly what lineup and moves to make during the game.
I would be surprised if he doesn’t end up back in Queens.
Let him walk. He had a good season and it will boost his FA stock, but the Mets have many pitching needs.
Without Pete they wouldn’t have even sniffed a chance at the postseason.
But yeah just let him go. Because the owner is poor and can’t pay for his bat and leadership.
They lucked into having him this year, and now they need to pay the man after being disrespectful last off-season. There’s a reason he played the entire season with a pen in his back pocket to sign his opt out.
leadership?? If he was a good leader this year would not have gone this way.
You are blaming this year on Pete? If you are talking about Stearns then i agree 100%
What did you want him to do? Pitch?
“Let him walk..many pitching needs”…The Met’s need pitching way more than a return by Pete Alonso. I believe that’s the main reason Pete is gone.
Bringing Alonso back is merely doubling down on a cast of players that just lost an important series to the Miami Marlins when it mattered most.
Not bringing him back leaves a huge hole in an often mediocre, aging offense. Uncle Steve can pay for both pitching and Polar Bear.
With the way they operate, I see them trading Soto in two years. They’re gonna realize it was a bad contract and have to eat half of it
Chicken.. and you think the way to address that aging offense is to sign a 31 y.o. largely 1-dimensional slugger to a 6-year, $180 million contract?
If you mean 5-time All-Star Pete Alonso, yes, I do think they resign him, but this article never mentions 6/180 nor did I. I don’t personally care how much a team pays him, Mets especially. They’re the one team that’s can’t be handicapped by payroll, ever. As for his age, everyone knows you’re paying for the first 2-3 years of the contract and hoping that the remaining years break even.
It wasn’t a bad contract. What more do you want Soto to do? He just posted a 162 OPS+ and is still only 26. He did all he could to help his team win. One man can’t do it all in baseball without a good enough team around him.
So far Soto is a great contract. He far outperformed his salary.
He didn’t even make the all star team lol.
Without Alonso protecting him in the lineup. It’s going to be a long season for Soto.
Did he end up having a better season than P.C. Armstrong, Kyle Tucker, and Acuna Jr.? Yes, so the all-star mistake doesn’t really matter.
6.2 WAR. 43 HR. 38 SB. .921 OPS. 160 OPS+
That you have no clue what those stats mean but think that Alonso hitting behind him in the order was the reason for them and that a popularity contest voted on by fans matters is laughable.
Chicken…. True, neither the article nor you said that. But that (and more, actually) is what Alonso has been asking.
As for payroll, don’t overstate it: Steve Cohen said he cannot spend like this for long, as it is not sustainable. he is just spending until the minor league system catches up. It is getting close.
Also consider that the CBA expires in Dec ’26. The owners are dead set on putting in a more restrictive system than the current CBT. If that happens, the Mets may be forced to shed payroll and jettison players for low return if they overspend in ’26. They may take that into consideration when they make this off season plan.
He’s looking for at least 120 million, which after his final year of arbitration and this past year’s deal, would put him over the extension he previously declined. While you’re correct, Uncle Steve has said he won’t throw gobs of cash at a loser and that the club needs a real minor league system with depth, the latter part of that statement is true for any organization. I still think the Soto signing is an indication that if he wants a player, he’ll get that player with money.
It’s far more important who bats in front of you than who bats behind you. Soto especially since he has the best plate discipline in the game he’ll just take a bunch of walks
@Mlb fan, no, no it’s not. Bringing back mediocre pitchers would be doubling down.
Lol, you actually have faith in Stearns actually acquiring or signing any excellent pitching?? History shows that he likes to dumpster dive and take flyers on injury prone guys that have stunk for years! IE Manaea, Montas, Blackburn, Canning and probably more im forgetting….ridiculous and embarassing as a Mets fan….
Interestingly there was nothing wrong with Stearns’ dumpster diving, which brought the Mets the league’s best ERA for two months.
It was his paralysis when Montas and Manaea went out for months by February 24th. They even lost Blackburn, their last depth guy, before O.D. and still Stearns did nothing.
They lost Senga, Megill, and Canning bt June 12 and June 26 and despite having an ace in McLean in the minors, Stearns didn’t bring him up until August 16th.
The dumpster diving was fine, and Stearns would make an excellent ASSISTANT gm, but the failure to trade for Crochet, or add a #1-2 in FA, or move at all when the moment required and add a starter at the Deadline when Littell and Kelly went for a couple of non-top 100 prospects, or bring up McLean in June—was what was so ridiculous.
We all realise the Mets are inclined to do this sort of thing, but every time it happens, I’m still surprised. I shouldn’t be, but I am.
As for Pete, well I assume someone will pay him like 3/75 I guess and go from there.
If he would take 3/$75m, the Mets will gladly top that. But he won’t. He’s been asking for a long-term deal at a $30 million AAV. Yes, I believe he will have to come down from that. But not all the way to 3/$75M.
4/115M with a 5th year 20M option.
That is actually reasonable. Still not sure he takes it, though.
Add a $5 million buyout to the 5th year option or make it a player option and that makes sense.
@casualfan I’m not an Alonso fan, but he considerably boosted his stock with an .871 OPS and 144 OPS+ despite being a year older than his last FA adventure.
When a guy like Christian Walker was getting 3/60m for his age 34-36 seasons, Alonso’s in line for at least a 4 year deal at at least 27.5m per.
He shouldn’t be a 30m+ player on 4+ years because he has no upside beyond what he did this season. He won’t put up a 5 win season and get you surplus value that cushions his decline (and this contract rates to be ALL decline phase Pete), and his desire to play 1B even though he should be done there on any sensibly constructed team may cost him add’l money.
Cleveland!!!
50/50 whether he returns but i don’t know if he would want to return to a team that misses the playoffs with a 300 million payroll
Like last year, Yankees need a first baseman… Phillies could turn to him if they lose out on Tucker and move Harper to replace castellanos
They want Harper at first of DH only. No way they put Harper back into the OF.
Duh. Knew that after he signed the contract. Just needed to have a better year to prove his market and up it, which he did.
David Stearns cost the team a lot of money by screwing around with Pete last winter. He should pay with his job for that and his complete failure to build a capable rotation.
Stearns is a disaster. He should be fired but first Mendoza and Hefner need to go. Worst Mets manager I’ve ever seen.
Not a team player? What a short-sighted take.
The man WAS the man for the Mets this season, and had been for quite a few years. They repaid his leadership on and off the field with moronic antics last off-season before bowballing him.
The Mets don’t deserve the season he gave them. But he will reap the benefits now.
Another… just stop with the leadership nonsense. That is a complete figment of some fans’ imagination. What, where, and when has he ever offered any leadership. Please, cite me one story or blurb or item about Pete helping a younger player. Or being the one to call a team meeting when they struggle. Or putting in extra work on his defense in the off season or spring training. Everyone on the team said earlier in the year that Lindor should be the captain. Not Alonso.
You have the benefit of having no idea what goes on behind the clubhouse doors. You have absolutely no basis for your comments.
Lindor was the team captain. Doesn’t mean Alonso is not a team leader.
nypost.com/2023/09/01/these-mets-agree-pete-alonso…
Alonso also brought innovative training methods to the club this spring. Plenty of articles and even MLB Network segments like on 30 Clubs in 30 Days about that.
They’ve been over .500 both seasons and almost made it to the series last year. They took over a team that wasn’t in the playoffs. I’m disappointed as well, but a little grace.
“David Stearns cost the team a lot”…Exactly how did Stearns cost the Mets “a lot” money in relation to Pete Alonso?
You’re assuming Alonso breaks the bank after a nice year this year, even though he’s a year older now?
As I remember it, Alonso returned to the Mets last year after the market declined to break the bank for him.
Personally, I can’t see him commanding that much more this off-season than last year.
I forsee a 3 or 4 X $27M(AAV) = $108M – $115M in total guarantees. Maybe throw in an an option year that brings the total value up to the $125M or $130M range.
health is the 6th tool. alonso is worth a lot more than that imo
You’re talking good money for Temu Harmon Killebrew. This might be his last chance to ink that pact. If offered. Or not. This is a recording…
Pete could go home and happily rake in Florida but for the lack of major league teams playing there.
Alonso will “break the bank”. The Yankees are going to be in on him heavily, so his price will be driven up. Start with a minimum of what he made this season and multiply that by 5 years.
Why should the yankees be heavily in on him when we have Ben rice at league minimum, big g under contract and the inside track to resign bellinger who can play a better 1b than alonso on addition to all the outfield spots while providing baserunning value and nearly comparable but better rounded offensive value?
Don’t argue with me. Argue with the NYC media who are all saying that Alonso is the Yankees #1 target. Goldy is gone and apparently the Yankees don’t believe Rice is the 1B of the future.
You’re way over exaggerating there. The NYC media is not “all” saying this. A handful of fringe commentators speculating about it is all I can find. You should probably try and look at hacky clickbait with a more critical eye dude.
Heyman, Sherman, Kuty, Phillips, and Kerry Miller, all NYC MLB writers that are not on the fringe, have all either spoke about it on air or wrote about it. Dan Plesac and others on MLB Network have mentioned it.
Several have mentioned the UF and Tampa connection between Steinbrenner and Alonso.
6 years at 31.5M$ per
That’s bizarre, as he clearly saved the Mets money compared to the absurd contract Alonso was looking for.
Stearns was ridiculously bad this year, but not signing Alonso to a long deal and getting what will probably be his last good year, his last 3 win year for $31m was one of the few plusses in this embarrassment of a season.
Mets were doomed when they chose Soto over pitching
@Cora the Explora I disagree. Signing Soto wasn’t the issue. The issue is who Stearns signed for the rotation. He gave Manaea $25 mil, Montas $18 mil, Clay Holmes $13 mil, Griffin Canning 5 mil, and Paul Blackburn made $6 mil this year. In total, that is around $67 million on those trades/acquisitions. Clay Holmes was fine but everyone else was a complete bust. Thats 54 million that could have been split on Shane Bieber, trade for Sonny Gray, and sign Max Fried
How would Biebers half a dozen starts saved them from themselves? This became a runaway train and a guy coming of TJ rehab wasnt stopping it even with two good elbows.
@tj13 The final month of the Mets season, the starting pitching blew up most of the games. If Beiber was on the team, the Mets make the playoffs easily instead of having Jonah Tong or Manaea start
tj13
How would Biebers half a dozen starts saved them from themselves?
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They’d likely have made the playoffs with Bieber’s 3.57 in 7 starts.
@JoeBrady not only that but if they signed Bieber, there was no way they were signing Montas who was a huge net negative and they could of called up a pitching prospect earlier to take some of his starts while Bieber was out
Bieber didn’t want to play there. He only wanted to sign in Cleveland for 2025. He said as much. You can keep babbling that BS all you want, and it won’t change the fact that the Mets couldn’t force him to play there. He was a free agent.
Manea and Montas are a disaster. Manea signed for a few more yrs. YIKES!
“Signing Soto wasn’t the issue”..Corbin Burnes was a top of market signing and look how that turned out. There’s no guarantees in free agency and especially not with pitchers.
I beg to differ that giving a one dimensional player $765M, spread out over a decade+, doesn’t have a negative economic(CBT)impact on the NY Mets ability to sign all the pitching needed for this year. Even uber billionaires hate paying taxes.
Tanner Scott and Kirby Yates agree with you.
One-dimensional? He hits for power, has almost as many walks as strikeouts, AND stole 38 bases. That’s at least three things he does very well. He hits for great power, gets on base at a tremendous rate, and steals a ton of bases. What more do you want from the guy? If he was a great fielder as well, he would have gotten $900M.
One dimensional? He did everything they expected and more. Stole bases, decent D, healthy all year, aside from his usually sweet offensive numbers.
Even uber billionaires hate paying taxes.
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I agree 100%. Fans are always saying “it’s only money’. But there comes a point where every team stops spending.
I was listening to FAN earlier, and one of the announcers was implying that Cohen needs to stop being so cheap.
Very true. I only said that because Mets fans said they were constrained by Soto and didn’t have options for starting pitchers, which makes zero sense. There’s always options
A player is worth whatever someone is willing to pay them.
Holmes was a top 20 SP. Not sure what you problem is with him. He was a fantastic signing. One of the best of the offseason by any team.
Canning had a 3.77 ERA over 16 starts, so he was far from a bust. In fact, at $5 million he was an incredible bargain.
Injuries did in the Mets pitching staff, not the quality of the pitchers Stearns signed. It is also important to remember that he can’t force FA to sign. They have to want to sign with the team. Obviously spending money was not the issue.
Other things you are wrong about
Bieber said after signing that he only wanted to play in Cleveland.
Gray refused to waive his NTC.
Fried got 35% more than anyone predicted. This site predicted $156 million and he signed for $218 million. We do know, also from this site, that the Mets were predicted as his landing spot early in the offseason before the Yankees gave him $60+ million more than anyone expected him to get. Pretty sure they did that because Soto spurned them to go to Mets.
The math says if Fried was on the Mets this season they’d probably have won at least one more game. So there’s that.
Depends if you think the wildcard playoff spot is worth $61 million to outbid the Yankees for his services I suppose.
20/20 hindsight. You could’ve just as easily have said that the Mets should’ve signed Burnes, Santander, and Scott.
I wish they would’ve signed Scott…
But as you say, 20/20 hindsight is amazing.
Just minutes after they were eliminated, sounds like a real team player
That’s Scott Boras’ style. I’m sure he gave Alonso the OK to speak.
He was asked and responded honestly. Everyone knew he was planning to opt out unless he had a terrible season. The contract was designed for him to opt out. Would you have preferred that he disingenuously spouted some PR nonsense about considering his options? Then, other trolls would be calling “BS.”
I don’t want to rub salt in Mets’ fans’ wounds but, yes, I would expect more tact from him with the timing of the question. Something like that’s what my agent and I will be discussing. Right now I just want to hang out with my teammates if this is the last time we’re all in the same clubhouse together.
Toxic clubhouse
Eh, I think his teammates know it’s as much a business as a game. They probably all knew even if the Mets made the playoffs and won the WS that his numbers would mean he’d opt out and try to get more money even if it was a tactic to get money from the Mets.
Also, I agree with your earlier statement. It’s very Scott Boras. He’s priming the pump.
@YBC, nonsense. Their season is done, he was asked he answered with an obvious answer. It’s not like he ran out of the clubhouse and announced it on a blowhorn.
Money is part of the equation, but I’d guess it’s more about years than dollars. Like most MLB guys, I think Alonso is looking for security. He’ll probably get multiple offers with about the same AAV, but it’s the offer with the most years that will get his attention.
Remember last yr when the Yankees lost. Soto said I am available to all 30 teams. LOL>
Well money and years together. Supposedly Bregman got an offers for similar amounts of money from the Red Sox for 3 years and the Tigers for 6.
It is basically the same point as what you’re saying though. It’s about security. Maximizing potential value.
He at least waited until the season was over. He knew he was opting out in May loi
Agreed!
Soto last yr knew he would go to the highest bidder as well. When the Yankees lost he said he is available to all 30 teams.
Actually, I think he knew in January when he signed this deal.
Gotta wonder if the Red Sox will give up on Cassas….
I thought this was going to happen…..just not as quickly as it did though
Get the hell out of dodge and that cursed franchise.
Yes. I’m being hyperbolic and not serious.
If Pete Alonzo leaves the Mets, he won’t
be able to MET the 2nd half next year!
You can’t blame him.
Congrats to your Reds! Hope to see a good series for them vs LA. You’ve got the best manager—and sneaky good, under rated, over looked starting pitching.
Proud of them whatever happens.
I was happy for them when they made it in. There a lot to like about the team.
Now you know what it’s like to be Tito’d.
Joe, that sounds so interesting, and wrong on many levels lol.
I was a fan of Tito Francona (Terry’s dad) when he played for the Braves from 67-69. Of course, I was 10-12 years old then and I liked just about everybody in a Braves uniform. Henry Aaron, Felix Millan, Felipe Alou, Rico Carty, Joe Torre. Niekro, Pat Jarvis, Cecil Upshaw (still friends w/one of Upshaw’s daughters). Loved them all but Clete Boyer. Used to dread Boyer’s at bats.
He was actually caught off guard with the question. Everyone knew this would be his answer. But still, he couldn’t say “now’s not the time for this and that is a question for me and my family with the help of my agent.” He could say that out of respect to the disaster of a season the team had.
Lying is respectful?
Braves caught the Mets on the last day again! 2 years in a row!
The Mets dropped from first to seventh. Considering how many teams make the playoffs in the modern era, a case can be made for this being the biggest collapse in MLB history.
In the era of division play, yes.
The Mets are an April-May team. They die in August/Sept when it matters.
The 2025 season proved they can die earlier, if necessary.
So you’re saying they are adaptable, and can vary their approach.
I’d laugh if the Yankees swooped in and struck a deal with him.
They have Ben Rice already.
@ButCanHePitch
Yankees are going after Munetaka Murakami.
Will the Red sox give him a long deal?Do they still believe in Casas?Do they keep Lowe?If not,maybe the Mets will trade for Casas?
The Red Sox just offloaded the mega-contract of an unathletic, defensively-challenged corner infielder whose best position is DH. Would they really want to sign a similar player to a similar deal?
I take your point but there is a difference between a poor fielding third baseman and a poor fielding first baseman. Also, add to it there was a supposed worry about Devers being a bad influence on the Boston youth movement. I don’t know about Alonso’s temperament or how he is in the clubhouse and I’m certainly not going to judge him on opting out right as the Mets’ season ended.
I think it really comes down to the question of what do the Sox feel about Cassas. As for where Alonso fits into that conversation… who knows.
Point taken, although the Red Sox were already trying to move Devers off the hot corner. Regarding the off-season, it will be interesting to see how teams see Alonso as a potential 1B fit as opposed to Naylor and Bellinger. Should Alonso be viewed as a 1B or a DH?
That would be lethal of he played in Fenway. Not a Sox fan, but I would fallow that lineup.
Alonzo is a DH
His fielding is mediocre
This is probably true…but i love his bat and personality
If you can hit like him they’ll find you a spot.
If his fielding is mediocre, then he is not a DH.
Absurd take. Alonso’s fielding is bottom five percent by all of Statcast’s measures.
LOLMets is eternal! The joy it brings to millions will never die! Like a fine scotch it only gets getter with age! It’s the dragon you can not slay! The demon you can not contain! The superstar talent you can not buy! That’s what Mets baseball is all about!
I can’t wait till the Phils collapse that should be fun to watch again
The playoffs is a new season. It’s hard to call playoff loses a collapse. Phillies are likely playing Dodgers first round unless the Reds can pull of an upset. Losing to the Dodgers first round is no collapse. I get what you mean, but it’s apples and oranges. The Mets collapse. The Phillies haven’t sealed the deal. There’s a difference.
Only time will tell, the Phillies keep getting eliminated around the same position without winning it all. the Mets mostly collapsed because a lot of injuries to their overall pitching makes me wonder how would the Phillies do if it happened to them. The Mets were just unlucky and so were the Astros, Braves and Diamondbacks.
They’ve actually never got eliminated at the same position. In 22 they lost in the WS. In 23 they lost in the NLCS. In 24 they lost in the NLDS. This happens to all contenders. The Dodgers lost a ton in the playoffs before winning in 20 and 25. The Braves did the same. Good teams find a way to get into the playoffs consistently. The Phillies have done that. They just need that next step. And the Mets injury comments are silly. The Phillies had significant injuries to almost all their stars, including a top pitcher in baseball in Zack Wheeler. So the Phillies did have those injuries the Mets had, and still won the division.
I said AROUND the same position not the EXACT the same position in the playoffs and really? the injury comments are silly? did you not see how many guys went down for the Mets pitching wise? Danny Young, A.J Minter, Griffin Canning, Dedniel Nunez, Max Kranick, Drew Smith, Christain Scott who was already down before the season started, Frankie Montas, Reed Garret, Tylor Megill. That’s also not counting Sean Manaea and Senga who were both hurt during season and came back. You really think if the Phillies had this many guys hurt to their pitching their they would still win? because for the Phillies I see Daniel Robert, Zack Wheeler, Jose Alvarado and maybe Jordan Romano from what i read. But what do I know?
Stop. Just Stop. Zack Wheeler. Trea Turner. Bryce Harper. JT Realmuto. Ranger Suarez. Just because they aren’t hurt now doesn’t mean they didn’t miss significant time. Zack Wheeler alone is a bigger loss than that entire Mets list. I can keep going. The Mets injuries are nothing compared to what the Phillies had. The Mets roster was incredibly flawed, particularly in the Starting Pitching area. That’s why they aren’t in the playoffs.
huh??? I said pitching is Harper, Turner and Realmuto pitchers all of a sudden? please now your just moving the goal posts by bringing up hitters for no reason plus I already said Zack Wheeler so your just parroting what I just said so that was pointless but when did I even say Wheeler wasn’t a bigger loss? I was talking about the amount of injuries the the Mets pitching had. Suarez is day to day with a lower body injury don’t act like that he is all of a sudden done for rest of the post season. If you that bothered by my replies maybe you should stay off the internet there’s better and more important things to life then sports.
Suarez missed significant time. I’m not talking about right now. I’m talking about the season. Wheeler, Nola, Suarez all missed time.
What are you smoking? I have been talking about the 2025 season the whole time! You have to be trolling or just not reading period. I am glad the Phillies are out and karma came bite to you and its well deserved nor do I pity you for this ignorance.
I’m talking about the 2025 season too. You’re not getting it. All those players I mentioned miss significant time during the season.
Karma had nothing to do with it. Phillies lost to the best team in baseball. They lost 3 nailbiters. It happens.
You’re complaining about the Mets boo boos. I’m talking about all the Phillies who got injured this season as well.
Most of the guys I said missed much more time then any of the guys you said if you don’t believe me look it up! Heck let me help you even with the P-I-T-C-H-I-N-G injuries the Phillies rotation had more guys get past 100 innings then the Mets.
C. Sanchez 202.0, J. Luzardo 183.2, R. Suarez 157.1, Z. Wheeler 149.2, A. Nola 94.1
D. Peterson 168.2, C. Holmes 165.2, K. Senga 113.1, G. Canning 76.1, Ty. Megill 68.1
Excuses are excuses learn to do better. Mets won the series against the Dodgers in the regular season should I make a big deal about that pointless achievement?
You say the Mets injuries are “silly” yet you have been using your own teams injuries to justify your argument and at this point your complaining about how I should feel bad about the Phillies injures when the Mets had many more to their PITCHING but sure keep moving the goalposts and making strawman. I can keep going till I stop breathing because this is honestly amusing and at this point I stop taking you seriously. Heck I even said the Braves and the Dbacks were plagued with injuries too. Man you guys are so soft and spoiled…
I never said the Mets inuries are silly. I said it’s silly to ignore other team’s injuries. The Phillies had more pitching injuries as I stated, but you’re choosing to ignore it. Nola for more than half the season. Wheeler for the most important parts of the season. Suarez missed significant time. Those are 3 huge pitchers all missing huge chunks of time. But for some reason those injuries matter less than the Mets’? Make it make sense.
Now your just back pedaling “And the Mets injury comments are silly.” You say that when I mentioned two other teams multiple times? You can’t be serious I am laughing at how hard your just trying to justify your mental gymnastics when it comes to the Phillies. Mets have multiple guys already missing next year and no you didn’t you told me Harper, Turner and Realmuto who have no reason to be in this when I have been talking about pitching the whole time and that I already brought up Wheeler. Did the Phillies have more then 12 of their pitchers hurt like the Mets AND miss most of the season? Plus please point out where I said where I said Wheeler, Suarez and Nola mattered less also let me remind you its a TEAM sport since of course losing more injured starters for the season is going to make your team worse. The only thing silly is you and its pretty amusing and getting a good laugh with some friends.
Coming back to this I honestly agree with Topes hard to have decent pitching when most of them miss most to all year long and no one even said that Wheeler and other guys getting hurt is not important at all that is you implying that but then again it seemed my comment must of gotten under your skin Von because you could not resist commenting and what i said ended up being true just take the L and move on and this is coming from a Dbacks fan.
The problem with this theory is that the Mets had bad pitching to start the season. Everyone was talking about how questionable that rotation was. I don’t think injuries was the problem. I think talent was. They went cheap with their rotation and it didn’t pay off like it did last year.
And I fail to see how losing to the best team in baseball is a collapse. Make it make sense.
Thank you Taz its nice to see someone who uses common sense and logic also doesn’t get bent out of shape from their team losing my Tigers choked the division away but you don’t see me degrading the Guardians
Dude. This conversation started before the playoffs even started. Go back and read it. It has nothing to do with any team losing. You’re hilarious and clearly the same person.
Look at this quote: “It’s hard to call playoff loses a collapse. Phillies are likely playing Dodgers first round unless the Reds can pull of an upset.” That was all said before I even knew who the Phillies were playing. And I nailed it.
it is no problem topes dude some people are can be softer then tissue paper and have to realize there’s things more important than sports I hope your team can make a bigger push into the playoffs next season
Edwin Diaz might also opt out. How will Timmy Trumpet ever cope?
Might? I’d say it’s a definite.
He will. Money talks!!! They saw what Soto got and they want a piece of that.
lol Mets!
AMF Alonso
Imagine him in Fenway!
He’s been very durable throughout his career, he’s guaranteed when he’s healthy to deliver over 30 HR and 100 Plus RBI. He’s worth every penny whoever offers him a contract in 26
Soto to 1B, sign Tucker. Let Alonso walk.
Wwll Alonso is walking…if not running
Tucker hit 22 HR and .268 in Chicago. He wants monster money. At Wrigley he hit 22 Hr. Ouch. Tucker say Steve I want 400-500 million. Boras was talking 500+ or his before this yr. Soto tells you where he is going. He is NOT going to 1B.
Forget Tucker. The last thing the Mets need is another non-superstar in his decline phase unable to stay on the field the last two seasons—who’ll get old along with Lindor, Soto, and Nimmo (who should be dealt, but won’t be).
Alonso should have waited to announce his decision – poorly timed. Telling.
2024 Soto. Yankees lose. He says I am available to 30 teams. Did you forget that?
October 2019: Gerrit Cole wearing a Boras Corporation cap to the press conference following the Astros’ elimination.
That makes it okay? The article is about Alonso – my point is specific to the article. Appreciate all the research. Poorly timed – selfish.
And referring to the Astros as “they.”
Boys have no sense of class – ‘our season just ended. I’ll discuss that matter at a later date.’ Raise your standards.
He probably should’ve had an answer prepared in advance. OTOH, everyone in the world knows he’s opting out. We shouldn’t take it personally when people are honest.
I find it odd that fans will complain about players not being forthcoming, and then complain when Alonso is, for answering a question frankly. Since everyone knew he was going to opt out, I think some of those same people would be calling BS if he’d said anything else.
@Jean Matrac My friend, that’s the sort of laziness that substitutes for actual thinking.
You’re comparing two suspect groups of opinion from people who may have nothing in common, but you nonetheless want us to posit its the same people opining.
Then you criticize this imaginary group as if you’re saying something meaningful when the emptiness of your statement is entirely evident.
Well Jack, my friend, maybe it isn’t the same exact people, but do you deny that fans respond badly to any hint of evasion or fabrication? That regarding this article they’re criticizing truthfulness? Do you deny that some fans will take any opportunity to criticize no matter what? Neither of those groups are imaginary, in fact, they’re all too depressingly real.
I admit you’re correct there’s no way of knowing if there’s any overlap between those that criticize Alonso for being so forthcoming, and those adverse to any sort of lack of transparency.
But it seems to me you’re focusing on the least offensive thing here. My point was we would see multiple criticisms of Alonso had he done one of either, telling the truth, or obscuring it, even if it’s not the same people.
I appreciate your criticism of me being somewhat mild, in view of the fact that you are basically corredt.
You might also characterize my combining the criticizers of brutal transparency, with those of evasion, is simply me using artistic license.
Ha ha. Another round of Boras v Cohen. Cool.
So the end result of them not manipulating his service time when he first came up is they lose the right to QO him after the 2025 season.
“Pete Alonso was offered a qualifying offer by the New York Mets before the 2025 season, but he turned it down and signed a two-year, $54 million deal with them in February 2025. He is no longer eligible to receive another qualifying offer in the future.”
Yes, that was a Google search result, as I didn’t want to get the details wrong. Service time manipulation, or lack of it,has nothing to do with his situation. You can only get a qualifying offer once in your career.
What I’m saying is if the Mets manipulated his service time in 2019 like they should have he would have been arb eligible a fourth time last winter and thus the Mets would not have been forced to burn the QO last offseason and thus they would still be able to extend it this coming offseason.
Gotcha. But service time manipulation kind sucks. So it worked in his favor.
Alonso’s, yes. The Mets’, no.
Well-written and articulated article
Alonso on a high dollar, long-term contract doesn’t seem like a Stearns type move.
brutal but unsurprising second-half collapse by an over performing rotation. my guess is that last offseason cohen was willing to scorch the earth and sign/trade for an ace but stearns wanted to prove how creative he is by building a rotation like a mid-budget GM
What a joke of a franchise. Just proves the old saying “money can’t buy happiness.”
Dodgers say hi
The defending champions say hi.
the Yankees should be interested and be willing to pay Alonso
4 years
and a total of $35M in salary
Why is Pete ineligible for a qualifying offer? He stayed with the team the whole season. Hell, he’s never played for another team.
He was offered one previously.
@Dub. Yankees don’t need Alonso. I’m happy with Rice moving forward. What makes you think they would even pay for him. Haha
Alonso should have waited until after the WS to say that he was opting out. I’m not sure if I would be too upset if he left, I think the Mets should get Murakami to play 3b and I would make a trade for Christian Walker to play 1b Houston is looking to shed payroll so I don’t think it would cost much to get him. We need an Ace if we can’t trade for Skenes or DeGrom than sign Framber Valdez he’s a F A.
LET Mullins, Marte, Winker, Helsley, Stanek go and if Alonso and Diaz both leave by opting out there’s $$ to be spent on a SP, BP and Murakami
We’re not looking to shed payroll as much as we need to figure out what to do with our logjam of infielders, and he’s the most obvious choice to move. And the Mets are a team I definitely think they could align with on a deal. I think swapping him for Sean Manaea would be a nice mutually beneficial contract swap.
As for Framber… buyer beware my friend.
No, it wouldn’t cost much to get an overpaid and declining Christian Walker.
Christian Walker for Sean Manaea, which team says no?
Mets
Replacing a bat like Alonso’s seldom comes in a one-for-one exchange. You’re forgetting that this lineup still needs to add offense from CF and DH. Between those and the new 1B, they can replace the offense. And they’d be better off and more productive without the automatic outs at the lower part of the order.
So, recreate him in the aggregate?
Juan-Billy Beane and Scott Hatteberg approve that thought.
Its not so much about recreating him. The reality is that they have other holes in the lineup, and those holes need to be filled anyway, with or without Alonso.
You’re not likely to get another 1B who hits 38 HRs. So you get one who hits 28. But you pick up a lot more than ten from CF, DH and better bench/injury depth
Geofft
That’s what recreating him in the aggregate was.
And even if they do re-sign Alonso, as you said they still need a DH, and Alonso has always been subpar defensively. So why not both?
Mets, of course. Manaea needs minor surgery. Walker needs to be three years younger.
That didn’t take long.
Turns out Juan Soto does not guarantee a team postseason baseball…
No player does. This isn’t basketball.
The Mets can afford to let Pete walk, even cross-town. They can start next season with Vientos at first if Ryan Clifford needs more time at AAA, and hopefully Clifford is ready by Memorial Day. They’ll save themselves $25 million a year that they can put into a top of the line starter to go with their young pitchers and some combination of Holmes, Senga and Manaea, if they can fix the two latter.
In the meantime the lol trolls and Mets haters will continue to stir the pot unless the Mets fans here are smart enough to hit the mute button.
Senga? A former ace banished to the minors in September, not even called up for that final series that sealed their fate?
Manaea? Reduced to being the opener in a Game 162 when their season was on the line?
LOLmets is in the Urban Dictionary for stuff like that.
Overly optimistic to say that Clifford gets to the majors by Memorial Day. Thats just not how it works most of the time. The Guys who get to the majors in less than 3 months of AAA are few and far between. And even if he gets called up, the odds of him succeeding right away are 50-50 at best.
Geoff, I don’t disagree with you, but my point is that they have options other than re-signing someone who will be a DH by the end of his next contract to a $25 million/yr deal, especially since they already have a right fielder who will need to become the DH. Quite honestly, he probably should be a DH now because of the defensive miscues and boneheaded plays he makes already. It won’t be easy to replace 40 HRs and 125 RBIs in the lineup, but hopefully Stearns can come up with a more balanced lineup for next year that just doesn’t rely on 1-4.
I agree with all of that. I’m just not counting Clifford early in the season the first or second option. At least not if they ant to compete next year.
If they decide that ’26 is a good year to pause and wait for the minors to catch up in light of the CBA/CBT uncertainty after 2026, then yeah, all the AAA kids should see action, regardless of results.
Then they can go into the off season with a good idea of what they have and what they will need should the CBT be replaced with something that constricts spending even more.
He is a perfect fit in Boston. A right handed power bat in the middle of a left hand dominant lineup who’s also a 1B.
It’s that last word that throws off the entire argument.
Pete’s not a 1Bman. He’s a DH faking it, who’s so bad he actually injured the Mets best starter (who had the NL’s lowest ERA among all qualifiers) on June 12th.
Oh man does it feel good to get the last laugh
Last winter the Jays went hard after him, but this winter will have zero interest. So one big money suitor is gone.
Why would Alonso choose the Mets this time? He’s had success there but they are nowhere near World Series caliber, are at least two quality starting pitchers away from a good rotation,have tied up a ton in Soto. This contract is likely Alonso’s last. Wouldn’t he prefer a contender?
I enjoy LOLMETS as much as anyone, but the 24 Mets were won series away from the WS. Yes. They were completely outclassed by LA, but let’s not act like a few tweaks couldn’t turn the Mets into a series contender again. They have the star power and they have Cohen’s wallet.
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I think he’d be a fit in Boston, particularly if one of both of Bregman and Story don’t return. That would make Casas an odd man out, perhaps he could be included in a trade for a pitcher. Possibly include him (and whatever else it takes) with Duran for Mitch Keller or Joe Ryan.
Worst contract? Not by a long shot. The man just had a tremendous season and everyone’s crying about his contract.
RE DD
User name checks out
I think he re-signs with the Mets for like 2 years/$76M or 3 years/$106.5M
Fire Mendoza First
0-70 when tailing after 8 innings
Lifeless clown; couldn’t inspire a cockroach in a candy store
When I think of how many games he left starters in too long and then brought in the worst relievers like Stanek; Mets could have won easily.
But Stearns is never going to fire him and bring attention on himself and admit he and Cohen made a mistake.
2 failed years of Rojas
2 failed years of Mendoza
Got beat out by 240 million dollar less team with a real veteran manager
Cs
User name
“Clown”
Don’t guess this person will post much that I will find useful to read
Muted
I love the Mets, but they deserved to be out of the postseason from the start. I blame Cohen for hiring an ignorant, small-market GM and then making sure he hired a manager on the cheap. Once again, they thought they had pulled off a coup by stealing someone off of the Yankees bench. An absolute garbage manager.
Spot on alproof!
I guess I should add; see from my previous posts; that I said the same thing about no experience Mickey Mouse Callaway so people like Juan don’t read into things that are NOT there!
Yankees bench coach in common; that’s all
Never sneeze at 126RBI
I am of the opinion that if a player produces through his pre-free agency years, if he produces on a prove it deal, you should give him his money. In the words and voice of Teddy KGB: “He beat me… Straight up… Pay him… Pay that man his money.”
In this case, Pete Alonso justified getting paid. If 1 war is around $9M, then pay him. He’s worth around $30M per year for what he does- $29M, $29.5M, $30M, $30.5M, $31M, $31.5M, $32M, $32.5M, whatever the guy deserves to get paid and to be given at least a 3 year deal at this point.
4 years/$130M. I keep coming back to 4 years/$130M. Seems like a very fair, mid-range, square deal for what Alonso does.
He would have had a good deal last year if he wasn’t given a qualifying offer that would cost another team a high draft pick when they signed him.
He’ll get his money this off-season.
Mariners could use someone like him!
Mets gotta give Montas a five year extension!
Let’s say alonso leaves mets, I guess they could be put Vientps there. But would a swap of brett baty for tyler soderstrom work for both teams? Soderstrom gives mets 1b replacement and baty fills as major need at 3rd base
Asfan… Not sure the Mets make that trade. It just creates a hole for them at 3B. And, it blocks Ryan Clifford for whenever he arrives, be that next year, or 2027.
Vientos doesn’t have the brains to play 3B well even after eight years of reps there in pro ball. The chance that he turns into a competent 1Bman with just a half season there in pro ball is zero.
Add to that the lack of minor league options and the fact that even in his one good season he had a .300 xOBA and .466 SLG, and an ostensible contender like the Mets will trade him and not wait on it. Expect him dealt in November.
As for the Baty for Soderstrom swap, sure, but who do the Mets play at 3B? Vientos is a DH and he’s neither good nor reliable enough for the Mets to keep him when they can’t rehabilitate his bat in the minors.
They could try living with Mauricio and his sub-290 OBP there but he’s infinitely exploitable after a decade in organized baseball w/ breaking stuff that bounces on the plate—besides, he can’t hit LHers. A very limited player who will probably remain Alonso-slow thanks to the ACL tear.
Ryan Clifford’s not someone you hold a place for, and Soderstrom’s the better player, with significantly more growth possible given he’s 23 to Baty’s 25. The A’s would surely ask for Baty + Clifford in return, and given that TS can play the OF and is a decent emergency catcher, it’s not hard to see the Mets doing it.
Are you listening bob nutting?
Good for Pete, he won’t be back
Did he really have announce it then ?
Get upset at the reporter who asked the question so soon after the loss.
He answered a question honestly. It was no secret, so the question wasn’t even needed. Why lie or defer answering. His teammates knew this was going to happen in spring training. So did everyone else.
The only way he answers differently is if he would have had a terrible year. Which obviously didn’t happen. And in that circumstance, the question wouldn’t have even been asked.
“Culture” is one of the hardest things in sports to fully understand but it’s real.
Not even $340 million can buy your way out of it.
The timing of Alonso’s announcement is interesting in two ways. The first is it came after the game in which his team lost, failing to make the playoffs. The second is it gives the Mets and Boras more than another month to negotiate before the first Monday after the end of the World Series.
It puts pressure on the Mets but comes across as selfish. Your team just got eliminated from playoff contention, and the post-game statement is, “I want more money.” No issue with the sentiment as we all want more money, but that could have been quietly communicated via his agent to the team. Instead, it is now a big deal with the fans ire raised.
I expect he will resign with the Mets; otherwise, there was no need to make the statement. He could have waited until November, given the Mets the five exclusive days, and pursued free agency.
far – Alonso saying the obvious really served no purpose. The Mets and everyone else knew he would opt out. To say it immediately after the game, immediately after the Mets were eliminated, was incredibly disrespectful and makes him look like a jerk.
But Boras knows fans are fickle, if Alonso returns they will embrace him as usual.
Replying to both farscott and Fever Pitch Guy:
Alonso is in a semi-unique situation here. He feels he really got the short end of the stick and disrespected by how negotiations went last year, this year was 100% a ‘prove it’ deal and Alonso understandably feels like he more than proved his worth.
If I was him I’d be upset enough and feel enough righteous indignation to make that public declaration to the media, too.
My fiancée and I watched Moneyball a couple days ago and I now think of that brief scene between Billy Bean and then team manager Art Howe about one year deals. Howe managed the team to a 102 or 103 win season the year before and yet was on a one year deal going into the next season with no extension in place, and how guys found it difficult, disrespectful etc to get that kind of deal when they just produced in a big way.
I think Alonso is of that mindset right now. All these guys want their Big Money Contract. That’s what he had the chance to get last off season and the experience was probably painful and protracted and definitely quite public or well known in sports media and amongst the fans.
If I was Alonso I’d feel the same way.
4 years/$130M plus the buyout would equal 5 years/$160M or $32M AAV, which is the deal he basically asked for in the first place, and I think he’s proven he earned.
Trill – Just like in life the best revenge is moving on and having a happy, successful life ….. the best revenge for Alonso is signing a large longterm deal with a team after this season.
So while I agree with most of your post, I don’t see how making the opt-out announcement so quickly would be gratifying to him.
It’s like if your wife divorces you, what would be the gratifying thing to do …. immediately announce you’ll find a better new wife, or actually going out and doing it?
But in your example scenario, what’s really going on is that your wife and you had an acrimonious divorce, but kept hooking up and didn’t see anybody else or take any real time off from the basics of the relationship, immediately got back together, had a very good to great year and you want to actually re-marry, just make it official, because you never really broke up in the first place.
Since Alonso could have said to the Mets beat reporters “not now. I’ll make an announcement on Wednesday,” and they would have gone along, it feels a little bit like resentment on Alonso’s part for not getting what he wanted last offseason.
As a Mets fan I’d say ‘thanks, Pete, but we’re not paying a DH 5/140m to cosplay as a 1Bman.’
Worked for Chris Walker
Not a bad piece of business to squeeze one more year out of him. Definitely not worth more than Correa/Bregman types.
Seems like the end of Pete in Queens,why would they suddenly be ok with going long term now?
Because his first half performance kept them in the playoff hunt?
Their pitching staff was tops in the league the first couple months and the reason they’re not in the post season.
The only reason would be because he arrested and reversed his 2023-2024 decline, but he’s still just a 3-win 1Bman who isn’t going to exceed that and who projects to about 2.5 WAR in 2026 at 31, with awful defense.
Paying big money when you should be able to get 1-2 wins from the position without breaking a sweat means you’re paying 18m-30m a year for a 1 win upgrade when, as the Mets, you have needs all over the diamond and your best position player prospects are a year away.
Last year, the best site for White Sox coverage (soxmachine.com) had their annual Offseason Plan Project. Everyone else was doom and gloom or optimistically trying to get Reinsdorf to spend $25M. I went all out. I had them getting a bunch of players, including Alonso, under the argument that they could get that many and still be under the cap, plus turn the team around in an offseason. It was a foolhardy dream and I knew it at the time, in large part because Reinsdorf is still the owner, and has been all my life. I literally don’t know what it’s like to have a non-Reinsdorf team as my favorite baseball or basketball team.
I can only hope things change under Isbia. Then, maybe, just maybe, the White Sox will actually go after guys like Alonso who can dramatically help them. Unfortunately, now I have to prepare for another year of the big add being a reclamation project starter and OF fodder.
As for Alonso himself, I hope he gets the deal he’s looking for. Never a big OBP guy, but I always liked him anyway.
Pete played his last game for the Mets yesterday. Even Cohen knows the Mets need more than an Alonso return to fix what’s wrong. Too many problems exist and the money Pete wants would be better spent by spreading it out among several FA.
I think the starting 2026 infield is gonna be Vientos (1B), Mauricio (2B), Lindor (SS) and Baty (3B).
Not sure what they can get for McNeil in a trade. Nimmo is going nowhere, and of course, Soto is a fixture in RF/DH.
I’m more concerned about Edwin Diaz leaving that Polar Bear. Top notch closers who do the job year after year are rare.
I’m more concerned about Edwin Diaz leaving
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They have Diaz for 3 more years.
Diaz also said he may opt out as well.
@ JoeBrady Diaz has an opt out this year that he would be crazy not to exercise. The way the current deal is structured, he gets only $13.5 mil salary for these last years. A top closer is worth far more than that on the FA market at this point.
I have to grab some bench time for how badly I messed that up. My apologies for poor research.
@ Backup. That lineup only works if the Mets want to take a step back and re-tool/re-set while tey wait for the next wave of position player prospects to arrive – Williams, Clifford, Benge, Parada. But its very weak for a team that wants to contend:
Vientos hit for all of one month this year. After a splendid August that had everyone thinking he’d returned to 2024 form, he tanked with a .565 OPS in September.
What evidence is there that Mauricio is ready for a major league job, let alone a starting role? He is more likely to get optioned to the minors than he is to start every day. His ABs were terrible this year. The Mets kept him up so they can preserve his option.
I’m not averse to trading McNeil and using Vientos in some capacity and giving him a chance to get back on track. But I’m also not relying on him as an everyday starter with no platoon partner or fallback option.
What you just described is NOT Edwin Diaz, who year to year is as variable as the weather.
They’re about at $260M right now and need Alonso, a CF, probably 2 RPs, with one being a quality setup guy.
Pitching is funny. McLean, Tong and Sproat all deserve a shot at SP. And they have Senga, Peterson, Holmes, McGell, and Manaea. What they really need is an ace and get rid of some of the dead wood.
They should be able to win 90 without breaking $350M.
Senga has become damaged goods after being sent to the minors in September. A ballclub desperate to play in October would’ve have called him up for at least that final series in Miami.
@ JoeBrady Tong pitched well in only 2 of his 5 starts. Sproat pitched well in his first two, the struggled in two as the league figured him out pretty quickly. What They deserve is to come into spring training and prove themselves. Nothing more. Thats why clubs have three options on young players.
McLean has earned a role.
They do not have Megill – he is having TJ and will be out all of next year. But they do have Christian Scott coming back from TJ.
To suggest that a rotation full of question marks, plus an added ace “should” win 90 is reaching. It could if the question marks all pitch to their ceilings. But whether they can is an open question.
I’ll have Hot Takes for $400, please.
For the love of God, come to Cincinnati and bring Schwarber with you!
Alonso?..FUGHEDABOUBIT!..They need to extend Frankie Montas and Cedric Mullins.
He’s gonna be a Phillie when ST starts in February.
I hope so
Alonso isn’t the same player when he came out of Miami a decade ago. All of his metrics are way down. He won’t fetch what he thinks he’s worth.
Maybe, but he’s probably getting 4 years and $115m to $125m.