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Giants’ Chairman Downplays Possibility Of Long-Term Deals For Free Agent Pitchers

By Steve Adams | November 7, 2025 at 12:27pm CDT

Giants president of baseball operations Buster Posey kicked off his team’s offseason last month by declaring that pitching would be his focus this offseason. That led to plenty of speculation about the possibility of the Giants being major players at the top end of the free-agent rotation market, but chairman/owner Greg Johnson threw some cold water on those hopes this week. In a Q&A with Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle, Johnson pushed back against the idea of a long-term deal for any pitcher this offseason and specifically called out a preference for shorter-term arrangements.

“We’re in need of one, possibly two [starting pitchers],” Johnson told Slusser. “We’ve got a lot of options in the organization and hopefully somebody emerges, but I’m not sure you can count on that at this point, and it’d be nice for some of those younger arms to get another year of experience in Triple-A as well. As Buster has said, I think we’re hesitant about any pitcher on long-term deals when we have a young core sitting there. So it’s a question of what is available in the marketplace and what we can do on a shorter term basis.”

Certainly, the definition of “shorter term” is subjective. That doesn’t mean the Giants will traffic exclusively in one-year contracts when looking to address the rotation. However, it seems quite clear that at least for the time being, ownership doesn’t have a strong appetite for the weighty long-term deals expected to be commanded by top free agent names like Framber Valdez, Dylan Cease and star NPB right-hander Tatsuya Imai (assuming Imai is ultimately posted for MLB clubs).

The Giants’ rotation is headed by ace Logan Webb. He’s followed by veteran Robbie Ray and 2025 breakout righty Landen Roupp. After that trio, free agent Justin Verlander — whom the Giants have interest in re-signing — was the only other San Francisco pitcher to start more than 10 games this season. The Giants thinned out their rotation depth this summer when trading longtime top prospect Kyle Harrison to the Red Sox as part of the Rafael Devers blockbuster.

As Johnson alluded to, the Giants have plenty of in-house options, but there’s no certainty among the group. Hayden Birdsong shined in the bullpen early on but struggled so much after a move to the rotation that the Giants optioned him to Triple-A. He was tagged for a 6.23 ERA in another 10 Triple-A starts. Right-handers Kai-Wei Teng and Trevor McDonald got looks late in the season, but the former struggled badly while the latter made only two MLB starts after posting a 5.31 ERA in 29 Triple-A outings. Prospect Carson Whisenhunt and deadline pickup Blade Tidwell have varying levels of upside but haven’t proven themselves in the majors yet. Righty Keaton Winn missed much of the season due to injury and was hit hard in Triple-A when healthy.

Both the trade and free agent markets offer plenty of rotation possibilities for Posey & Co. to explore. Seven of the top ten names on MLBTR’s list of the offseason’s top 40 trade candidates were starting pitchers. Another 16 starting pitchers cracked our Top 50 Free Agent list. Not all of the free agents will command long-term deals, and none of the trade candidates in question are signed beyond the 2028 season.

If the goal is to pursue shorter-term arrangements — presumably three or fewer years — the free agent market would have options like Merrill Kelly, Chris Bassitt, Nick Martinez, Zack Littell and Tyler Mahle, among others. A reunion with Verlander remains possible, and plenty have already pointed out the fact that new Giants skipper Tony Vitello coached Max Scherzer in college. Right-hander Cody Ponce set the single-season and single-game records for strikeouts in the Korea Baseball Organization this season and has drawn MLB interest. His brother-in-law is a plenty recognizable name in San Francisco: George Kittle.

Suffice it to say, there’s a wide array of options on the market even if the plan is to forgo lengthy commitments. An aversion to another long-term deal is somewhat understandable, given that the Giants have Devers signed through 2033, Willy Adames signed through 2031, Matt Chapman signed through 2030, Jung Hoo Lee signed through 2029, and Webb signed through 2028. That said, there’s room on the payroll for another hefty contract, particularly with Ray’s contract drawing to a close at the end of the 2026 season (thus subtracting a $25MM salary from the 2027 books).

At present, RosterResource projects the Giants for a payroll of roughly $170MM. That’d be right in line with last year’s Opening Day figure. That mark includes projected arbitration salaries for non-tender candidates Andrew Knizner, Joey Lucchesi and JT Brubaker. Dropping that trio would lower the projected mark, but only by a few million dollars. Still, the Giants trotted out an Opening Day payroll as high as $208MM just two seasons ago, in 2024. Johnson was amenable to raising payroll when asked by Slusser and even acknowledged that he’s comfortable crossing the $244MM luxury tax threshold “in the right situation.” The Giants’ current tax number sits just north of $193MM.

The rotation stands as just one area of need. San Francisco clearly has needs in the bullpen — Johnson acknowledged as much to Slusser — and has holes in the lineup at second base and in right field. Unless the team puts together a trade for one of its currently weighty contracts, the Giants will have to increase payroll to meet those needs. Of the contracts on the books, only Ray’s $25MM salary seems plausible to move. (The Giants aren’t going to consider trading Webb.) However, trading Ray would only further create a need for innings, making that scenario at least somewhat counterproductive.

One way or another, the Giants will need to add at least one starter (ideally two), multiple relievers and at least one bat (again, ideally two). It’s a long to-do list for Posey and general manager Zack Minasian — one that portends an active winter in the Bay Area.

Readers — Giants fans and otherwise — are highly encouraged to read the entire Q&A. It’s packed with candid comments from Johnson on a variety of topics, including his thoughts on the forthcoming implementation of the ABS challenge system, Posey’s first year on the job as president, and his early impressions of Vitello — among many other points.

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  1. Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

    1 month ago

    They might not sign a bunch of pitchers to big deals anymore, but trades can be made. Wondering if they’re going after Skubal. The aciest ace to ever ace, and he’s on a one year contract basically so it fits the short term commitment the Giants are willing to go for. Problem is, I don’t see Skubal as the one piece that will put SF over the top. They have a lot to do before they can climb up from .500, let alone take down the Dodgers and Padres.

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    • SalaryCapMyth

      1 month ago

      I especially agree with your second statement. Second base and Catcher was a blackhole of production. The catching market is pretty slim and Bailey IS a gold glove quality player so I would think at least second base has to be addressed. I didnt see a no-brainer, up and coming second basemen in pipeline but maybe an informed Giants fan knows better than me.

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      • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

        1 month ago

        As much as I love it when catchers can hit (one of my favorite players in recent years has been Cal Raleigh), it’s not a top priority as long as he’s good with the glove. Bailey is great as he is, and if his bat develops even a little bit that’s icing. He put up 3.2 fWAR just from playing elite defense! They do need a decent 2B, and a good hitting outfielder as well.

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          1 month ago

          Huh..Baseball reference gives Bailey a WAR of 1.1. Usually there isnt that much disparity but I do see fangraphs as the better site for this.

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        • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

          1 month ago

          Fangraphs tracks pitch framing, and Bailey is one of the best there is at it.

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        • outinleftfield

          1 month ago

          Pitch framing will have far less value starting in 2026.

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        • Mr. E Team

          1 month ago

          I’m not sure it will be far less valuable to frame pitches. A few degrees less valuable for sure.
          But how many borderline calls will be challenged given the limits? I think we’ll see more clearly missed calls overturned.

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      • davemlaw

        1 month ago

        For 2nd base SFG has Kilen but hes 2 years away. Croes could be a factor.
        For now it’s Schmitt and Koss and they’re OK for now.
        Dark horse is Nate Furman. He can flat out hit but his defense is a little suspect.

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        • Jean Matrac

          1 month ago

          One of the reasons I’d like to see them trade for Donovan is he’ll be a FA in 2 years, so he wouldn’t block Kilen. And if Kilen doesn’t develop, re-signing Donovan would be an option.

          I think Koss has more promise than Schmitt, but it’s still too early to tell about him. But, for a team with big hopes, Schmitt is not the guy you want at 2B everyday.

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        • Pete'sView

          1 month ago

          My hope is that Buster surprises us all and signs Bo Bichette to play 2b.

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        • davemlaw

          1 month ago

          I’d take Gray’s whole contract and Donovan as long as SFG doesn’t give up Kilen or other high end prospects.

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        • Jean Matrac

          1 month ago

          Bichette is staying in Toronto. They want to re-sign him, he wants to stay, and they can afford him.

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    • Pete'sView

      1 month ago

      Jarred Kelenic’s Beer Can—

      You assume the Tigers will shop Skubal. I do not.

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      • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

        1 month ago

        I think they do if they can’t get a deal done for an extension.

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  2. Aoe3

    1 month ago

    They should have signed Kevin Gausamn instead of letting him go to Toronto.

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    • GMoney28

      1 month ago

      He’s been pretty mid the last 2 years. And generally 5 year deals to 30-year-old SP don’t work out too well

      They were prob especially weary knowing that he only has 2 pitches. Once the velo goes he’s done forever

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      • MuleorAstroMule

        1 month ago

        Gausman has put up almost 20 fWAR in his four seasons of Toronto, made over 30 starts every year, and he’s only got one left. That contract was a win for the Jays no matter how you slice it and any team would have been happy to have his production at that price. Would you rather have Gausman at $22M a year or a reclamation project at $15M?

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        • outinleftfield

          1 month ago

          Gausman has been the 4th best pitcher in baseball since joining the Jays by fWAR at 17.9. Top 5 for pitchers with 500 IP or 125 per season on average by FIP. 15th best by ERA and xFIP. #4 in IP.

          FYI, having been qualified each of those 4 years would be 650 IP. There are only 17 that would fit that over the past 4 seasons including Gaussman, so I lowered that to 500 IP so guys like Skubal, Fried, Kirby, Luzardo, and Cole could be included on the list. .

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      • SalaryCapMyth

        1 month ago

        You didnt look at his stats before you said this, did you.

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        • GMoney28

          1 month ago

          3.98 xFIP the last 2 years

          Mid

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        • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

          1 month ago

          What about his first 2 years?

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        • MLBtheSho(hei)

          1 month ago

          Disagree. His actual FIP (I know you said xFIP) is 3.14 and his ERA+ is 119. I’m not arguing he’s an ace, but in the Giants rotation he’d be a 2-3 starter. I’ll take a 3 that’s 19% better than league average any day. And by definition, not mid.

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          1 month ago

          So you added his xFIP’s together the last two years but you didnt take into account that his most recent year, which is the lower of the two seasons xFIP he pitched more innings. The fact is, THIS season he was better than league average. In fact, during his time in Toronto, he was mid ONLY in 2024. You combined his xFIPS like that to manufacture greater evidence for your point. Its intentionally deceptive.

          Also, you aren’t taking into account his IP. He has started 31 games, or more, the last five seasons. That is remarkably dependable. Its difficult to find that in pitching today. Even if his run prevention WAS middling, again, which it’s not, this alone would increase his value.

          You are simply incorrect in your assessment.

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    • Candlestoked

      1 month ago

      Maybe, but it’s impossible to time travel so what’s the point?

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    • Jean Matrac

      1 month ago

      The decision to not meet or beat the Jays offer to Gausman is defendable. It’s only in hindsight that we see it would have been better to re-sign him than let him go.

      Some fans said to re-sign him, but some also said that about Rodon. The NYYs have paid out $78.5M for 3 seasons of basically league average pitching, and owe Rodon another $83.5M for 3 more.

      The decision on Gausman was bad, but good on Rodon. It’s easy to see after a few years which were the good and bad decisions, but much more difficult at the time.

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      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        1 month ago

        I’m still trying to figure out how Ross Atkins knew to pivot from Robbie Ray (who had a CY Young season in Toronto in ’21) to sign Gausman instead to the big free agent contract. Ray was stellar in ’21 but Toronto must have had something on him. Obviously Atkins proved right in the end. But I wish Seattle had signed Gausman over Ray that offseason. Oh well.

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        • Jean Matrac

          1 month ago

          Interesting point. Sometimes people are just lucky in their choices. It clearly wasn’t the money, the numbers are basically equal. But there’s so much fans don’t know that goes on out of view. Personality conflict maybe? Who knows? Also, you might have been happy with Ray had there not been the TJS. Gausman, or any pitcher for that matter, remaining healthy has huge value.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          1 month ago

          Yeah there could have been an inkling on the Toronto side that Ray was about due for an arm injury. Ray was such a great fit in Toronto and he pitched so well, you would think they would have been all over extending him. Maybe they had some medicals or Ray told them he wasn’t signing long term in Canada. Next call-in Dipoto or Atkins podcast I’m all over this one lol.

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        • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

          1 month ago

          Ray has always been an inconsistent pitcher. Look at his career stats. The year he won the Cy Young is the one time it all came together for him.

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        • mab51357

          1 month ago

          Jarred: Ray had a really good year in his first full season back from TJ this year. He tailed off some late in the season but as Jean said in another post the tailoff was probably due to stamina coming back from the long layoff.

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      • mab51357

        1 month ago

        Jean: I’ll only add that Gausmann wanted to stay. Rodon did not. The Gausmann contract with the Giants was when I first started disliking the player opt-outs after 1 year. I liked Rodon’s pitching but didn’t care for his attitude. I’m a big proponent of team chemistry and Rodon didn’t help in that regard. But like you said, looking back on it now Rodon leaving was actually a good thing.

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  3. James Midway

    1 month ago

    I can see the hesitancy in signing a starter for a long term deal. I think anything over 4 years these days and it’s likely the starter will need TJ or some other procedure that will put them out for a season or more sometime in that time frame. You will be donating cash to that pitcher at some point. So I can see wanting to see what the minor guys can do or bringing in someone in on a 1-3 year deal.

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    • outinleftfield

      1 month ago

      Great starting pitchers in their prime rarely take a short-term deal unless there are huge question marks that go along with them. It’s why Angels fans can’t have nice things, Arte refuses to sign a starter longer than 3 years.

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  4. Non Roster Invitee

    1 month ago

    Short term deal screams Scherzer.

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    • oldgfan

      1 month ago

      I’d rather roll the dice with Ponce on a 1-2 year deal. Just my opinion cuz Sherzer’s Australian Shepherd eyes creep me out.

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      • rocky7

        1 month ago

        Pitchers like Scherzer will make 12-15 starts due to injury and may pitch well once they get going but he’ll want HUGE cash to sign….is it worth paying a kings ransome for maybe 15 starts?…..I say no way…..

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        • Non Roster Invitee

          1 month ago

          Scherzer is Vitello s boy. One year 15m. Maybe team up with Verlander and have senior discount days.

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        • outinleftfield

          1 month ago

          AARP day at the ballpark. I am down for that.

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  5. azcrook

    1 month ago

    Bring back Tyler Rogers

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  6. GMoney28

    1 month ago

    The difference between a Framber/Cease type and a 5th starter is like 15% output (85 ERA/FIP- to 100)

    The difference between an elite bat like Tucker and an average COF is like 35% (140 OPS+ to 105)

    Always prioritize bats

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    • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

      1 month ago

      A lack of reliable pitching is what cost the Mariners a chance at their first pennant. Always, always, ALWAYS stockpile good pitching.

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      • GMoney28

        1 month ago

        Nah I’m pretty sure Dan Wilson did that lol

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        • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

          1 month ago

          None of the starting pitchers they had went deep enough and it led to an endless carousel of relievers and hoping they all had it working.

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      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        1 month ago

        Missing a healthy Wu hurt a lot. He was our best pitcher this year.

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    • GASoxFan

      1 month ago

      Hitting wins games, pitching wins championships

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      • GMoney28

        1 month ago

        Lotta Boomer Announcer Platitudes here and no responses to actual data

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          1 month ago

          We lost even though we were the better team. Here’s how: Kirby and Castillo pitched like batting practice fodder in games 3 and 4. Not having Wu in rotation. 1 or 2 Dan Wilson screw-ups. No more egregious than ones I saw Schneider and Roberts mishandle in the World Series. Those come with the territory. And just because it didn’t work out doesn’t mean it was the wrong decision.

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    • outinleftfield

      1 month ago

      The average 5th starter had a 129 ERA- in 2025
      Framber Valdez had a 90 ERA-
      A 39% difference
      5th starters are not MLB average. That is a #3 starter.

      Always prioritize the player, whether pitcher or position player, that will make the most impact on winning.

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      • GMoney28

        1 month ago

        A 4/5 starter is around league average, ya. There are a ton of them in a similar range

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        • outinleftfield

          1 month ago

          That is incorrect, but thanks for sharing. Now we know how much to pay attention to your posts.

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        • GMoney28

          1 month ago

          League average isn’t 100?

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  7. chembry

    1 month ago

    Eldridge and whatever else is needed for Joe Ryan. Benefits both teams.

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    • Pete'sView

      1 month ago

      It would be a two year deal, so no. Still would love him in the rotation.

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      • chembry

        1 month ago

        Unfortunately, that’s probably what it would take to get Ryan.

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    • mab51357

      1 month ago

      Let’s let Eldridge play a full season for the Giants to see how he does in 2026. His value might be at it’s highest right now. Lets look back once the season’s coming to end. We might be saying “how the hell did we talk about trading him.

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  8. Never Remember

    1 month ago

    What a loser. Continued mediocrity for the foreseeable future but I guess they don’t care since making so much profit.

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    • oldgfan

      1 month ago

      Just words right now, so maybe the future you foresee will never be.
      Most “losers” are just trolls like you.

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  9. Leo Schnauzer

    1 month ago

    Bassitt would be a logical, mid-rotation signing, as would Houser or Littel. I think a rebound candidate like Montgomery and Buhler may be a reasonable risk in AT&T. They do need to address the development side though, because considering how mediocre the Giants have been in the past 7 years they haven’t produced many strong arms…

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  10. mab51357

    1 month ago

    Offhand I don’t remember what catcher was on the mound when Kapler took Littell out of the game, but Littell popped off at Kapler so he was shipped out. I don’t believe it was Posey but if it was, I don’t see him bringing Littell’s attitude back. Don’t show up the manager on the mound as you’re being taken out of the game.

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    • bubba3b

      1 month ago

      heh, had to rewatch the video of the altercation on the mound. couldn’t make out who was catching that game but it was three years ago, so, after buster’s time behind the plate.

      anywhoo, as a giant’s fan for half a century, i do not want to see littell back in a giant’s uni. any possible cancer-risk in a clubhouse that’s coming into its own isn’t worth it.

      my question is, who did we have scouting 20 years ago when we drafted lincecum, bumgarner, cain, and wheeler? whatever that “lighting in a bottle” approach was back then needs to be revisited.

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      • Jean Matrac

        1 month ago

        Sabean had a lot to do with identifying that crop of pitchers. As well as Matt Nerland, who was scouting director. Dick Tidrow needs some credit as well. Unfortunately, both Nerland and Tidrow have passed away. Both too young, Tidrow was 74, I think, but especially Nerland who was only 53. Nerland’s loss was a huge one for the Giants.

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    • Pete'sView

      1 month ago

      It wasn’t Buster. And, agree, Littell probably isn’t coming back to SF.

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    • foppert3

      1 month ago

      I’d take Littell back. He has been pretty solid as a starter. Forget about the indiscretion and move forward. He paid the price for a moment of madness. Pretty sure he isn’t a serial offender.

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  11. mab51357

    1 month ago

    What do Giants fans think about Buehler? I’ve always thought he was a bit of a head case. That feeling has nothing to do with him being a Dodger for years. I do know I hated when he faced the Giants though. And there is no doubt he’s a competitor.

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    • Jean Matrac

      1 month ago

      I want them to aim much higher than Buehler. Since missing all of 2023, he’s been significantly below average (80 ERA+). Even if they wanted to take on as a reclamation project like him, I think there are better ones to pursue if they did.

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      • outinleftfield

        1 month ago

        Pitchers that have had 2 UCL surgeries rarely return to be good starting pitchers. You can count on the fingers of one hand the ones that have done it. Maybe Buehler should find out how well he can do as a reliever. I think he could be extremely good and it will extend his career.

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      • mab51357

        1 month ago

        Jean: I wasn’t suggesting the Giants try to get him. My opinion is not to bring Buehler in. In fact, I wouldn’t make any calls at all for Buehler. Just saw his name mentioned a lot in fans’lists in the last day or so. And please stay away from Montgomery.

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  12. AndyWarpath

    1 month ago

    Lots of good reclamation / short term guys available this off season. King, Woodruff, Gallen, Imanaga all offer upside and might be interested in rebuilding value with a 1-3 year deal in the friendly confines of Oracle while throwing to the best defensive catcher in baseball.

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    • oldgfan

      1 month ago

      SFG has a good track record of these kind of situations. Rodon & Gausman both benefited from the short term prove it deals they signed with SFG.
      The arms will come, it’s a great pitchers park.

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    • Pete'sView

      1 month ago

      But Gallen is connected to a QO, so that may dampen Buster’s interest in him.

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      • outinleftfield

        1 month ago

        So are King and Woodruff I believe,.

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  13. Jean Matrac

    1 month ago

    I read Johnson’s comments as more aspirational than practical. Yeah it would be great to sign someone like Valdez to a 3/$120M deal, instead of 5/$120, but if some other team offers that 5 year deal, and someone probably will, he won’t be signing with the Giants.

    If they want to truly compete they need one TOR guy. They have what seems like plenty of pitching now, but it seemed that way last year as well. They aren’t going very far with the last couple of spots in the rotation coming from the Teng, Whisenhunt, Tidwell, McDonald, etc. group.

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    • foppert3

      1 month ago

      A Birdsong bounce back would be nice. The fall he took was crazy.

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  14. JayRyder

    1 month ago

    He said this in the last interview. Having 6/7 contracts for five plus seasons at a high rate $ is unsustainable. I agree. Look at the roster construction. Anyone who thinks payroll doesn’t play a role is crazy. Dodgers have LA money. Giants don’t. And look at the Mets, who says money buys championships. You have to have balance, even the Yankees had the core with Jeter.

    New manager, hitting coach, pitching coach. Defense for sure will be worked on. Posey can go all out on these things. With Boch helping to guide a bullpen and Dusty as well for the people aspect. Like a Giant Puzzle. And the Farhan era is officially over, now they can build.

    Lee has to go. I still think a Chapman trade, to at least look at what you can get as in Pitching is worth looking into. Maybe a few pieces, Starter, Bullpen. You have Schmitt if a trade happens. Need a high avg second baseman. And a power right fielder. I’d also look at trading Ramos, need be for pitching. But I felt his offense would be better Not at leadoff. Resigning Rogers would be good. Solid pickup. Bailey really came around in Sept so hopefully that plays he’ll be here. Gilbert in Center if he can hit enough. And a Closer.

    Lots to do.

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    • Jean Matrac

      1 month ago

      I have to disagree with a lot of what you say. You underestimate the Giants’ financial power. With their development of the area, and outright ownership of the stadium means they can compete financially with the Dodgers. You seem to forget that the Giants made the same offers to Ohtani, and Yamamoto. They chose to go to LA, but the Giants were not out bid.

      I don’t think Johnson’s statement about not wanting a bunch of 5 year deals is so much about the money. It’s more about them aging out at the same time. 6 or 7 5-year deals aren’t bad if they’re staggered 1 or 2 years apart. But no one wants 6 or 7 guys all in their mid to late 30s with a year or 2 left on their contracts.

      Why does Lee have to go. Some people seem to want Luis Arraez, yet Lee is a similar, but superior player. 2025 was a learning year for him having missed almost all of 2024. He’ll be 27 still in the early part of his prime. You’ll see improvement.

      A Chapman trade make little to no sense. The result would be a lateral move at best. Any team interested would be in win-now mode. So they wouldn’t be trading MLB talent. They would want to trade prospects, and the Giants don’t want prospects. Any team trading ML level talent will want prospects. The Giants want to win now.

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      • GASoxFan

        1 month ago

        Not entirely true Jean. Im sure theres other teams/examples, but, if Boston was interested in a Chapman trade, they’d certainly make a MLB controllable outfielder (likely Duran) available.

        Other mlb-level assets are probably also on the table in Boston for their offseason shopping list, like Casas, Yoshida, and perhaps even guys like Grissom who really doesnt have much to work on in AAA, he just needs to sink or swim at the MLB level.

        Im not proposing those guys as a trade package mind you. Just in illustration of one team who is firmly in contention window with mlb-level pieces available to trade off the 26man roster

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        • Jean Matrac

          1 month ago

          I get it that the Sox could use a replacement for Bregman, but a Chapman for Duran doesn’t work financially. Duran isn’t a FA until 2029, and Chapman is owed almost $126M. The Sox would want a lot of cash, and I’m doubtful the Giants would be willing to kick in what would be needed to get a deal done.

          The last thing the Giants need is a light hitting 1B like Casas when they have both Devers and Eldridge swinging between 1B and DH.

          And why in the world would they do the Sox such a huge favor taking Yoshida off their hands? And trading Chapman to do so no less. Those ideas make no sense for the Giants.

          They have their own guys like Grissom. He’s exactly what they wouldn’t trade Chapman for, even if he was part of a larger package.

          I’m sure there are other teams, like Boston, that would want Chapman, but I don’t see any of them having anything that the Giants would trade Chapman for. I need a better example of a Chapman trade to see the Giants gaining them anything more than what would be a lateral move.

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          Again, like I said at the end of my post, I wasn’t proposing those players as a Chapman trade. Merely illustrating that there *are* mlb clubs trying to win now who have mlb 26 man players they would trade off their roster.

          Personally, I think Chapman isn’t the best fit for Boston, and has an equal hitting profile to Casas if you want to call that a light hitting profile himself (Casas was a better hitter aside from the injury season last year, having had an ops of .800 and .856 the prior two years vs chapmans .790 amd .770, and, OPS+ of 129 and 124 compared to Chapmans 120 and 124) then theres the youth factor and the MUCH cheaper salary weighing against Chapman.

          From a Boston perspective, id want a much better hitter than chapman’s .230 average, and, hope for more power given the salary. There’s not much in the way of surplus value on that contract @ 25m/year for advancing years.

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        • JayRyder

          1 month ago

          So what would you do ? Besides signing Max ? Offense, Pitching, Defense. Closer, Bullpen. Right Field. Trades ? Free agents ?

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        • Jean Matrac

          1 month ago

          Actually, You didn’t illustrate at all that there is a viable trade between the Giants and another win-now team. The Chapman to Boston example made no sense for the Giants, and very little for the Sox. Again, like I said at the end of my post, I’ll need a valid example of a trade to believe that the Giants could improve the roster by trading Chapman.

          I’ll admit I shouldn’t have referred to Casas as light-hitting, though I see Chapman as a slightly better hitter, with slightly more power. Casas so far in 4 seasons has a 118 OPS+ with a .452 SLG. Chapman in his first 4 seasons with the A’s in a pitchers park, had a 127 OPS+ and a .503 SLG. For their careers Casas has a .211 ISO, which is very good, but Chapman with more power has a .218 ISO.

          The big difference though is defense. Why would the Giants trade away one of the best defensive 3B for a 1B? As I pointed out before, being cheaper is exactly why the teams aren’t going to be able to agree on the money. And why these types of trades do not happen.

          I agree there is no surplus value on Chapman’s contract. That’s typical of many players like Chapman at that point in their careers. It’s why players like Chapman do not get traded. for young controllable players, which was my original point that you were trying to refute.

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        • Jean Matrac

          1 month ago

          Jay, I wouldn’t mind if they signed Max, but that would not be any kind of priority. Even if he remains healthy he’s a mid-rotation piece at best. I think they need one TOR guy. I like Ranger Suarez, but would be more than happy if they got Valdez. I don’t think they will though.

          I could see the Giants making one trade. Two would deplete their already thin prospects. I could see either trading for Brendan Donovan for 2B, or better yet, acquiring either Lopez or Ryan from the Twins, since I’d prioritize pitching. Short of acquiring Donovan, I’d go with Koss at 2B.

          I’d still like to see them go after Tucker, but doubt he’d sign to play at Oracle. I still believe in Matos, and think he’s ready to break out. So rather than RF, I see LF as the spot they need to improve. I’m not a big Ramos fan. I’d be good with him in LF if his defense wasn’t so poor. I see him as a DH, but I don’t see room there for him.

          There’s plenty of relievers available, some that can close, and I’d be really happy if they brought Tyler Rogers back.

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  15. claude raymond

    1 month ago

    I believe Posey is highly motivated to continue to build the farm system and there clearly have been signs that he is succeeding. AND wants to further replenish the international signing pool. And I believe that Adames at the time they got him was Poseys one and only desire to get QO penalties. Lost pick and giving up $500000. The penalty for taxes and the QO (adames) signing are gone/reset. So I predict he’ll avoid the QO rejecting FAs. There’s plenty of talent available that won’t get penalties. AND trades are available. Posey hasproven to be a trader. I’m just predicting. We’ll see….

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  16. tonyinsingapore

    1 month ago

    The Reds Hunter Greene is at serious odds with Director of Pitching DJ Johnson – and in Cincy it’s the DJ way of the highway (believes that advanced analytics is “over-thinking it” and Greene may disagree and want out.). It would take serious prospects but Greene is excellent and inexpensive…

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  17. WadeBoggsWildRide

    1 month ago

    They will sign Scherzer and Verlander. Clayton Kershaw too

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  18. outinleftfield

    1 month ago

    Johnson is taking the Arte Moreno approach to starting pitching? That shouldn’t give Giants fans much to be encouraged about on the pitching front. Really good starting pitchers are not taking short term deals unless its a huge overpay. Not too familiar with the pitching staff but I hope they have some exceptional pitchers on the farm coming to slot in behind Webb.

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    • foppert3

      1 month ago

      Ha ha. Thanks for that, Pads Fan.
      This new Angels fan schtick is hilarious. You really think people don’t know what you are trying to do ?

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    • Jean Matrac

      1 month ago

      Funny that you saw absolutes being stated in what Johnson said. I certainly didn’t.

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  19. talking baseball

    1 month ago

    First off I believe Chapman has a no trade clause in his contract.

    Secondly, what in the hell does Johnson know about anything to do with baseball or pitching. He playing with daddy’s money. He’s a figure head.
    He needs to stay in his office or go back home and take care of daddy.
    It just goes to show you that if you have money, you think you know everything.

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    • foppert3

      1 month ago

      I’m guessing intelligence and a lifetime of being in and around majority ownership of a MLB team has had him picking up a thing or two. Certainly sounds that way. If you read the article that is.

      Your post just goes to show that if you are a fan with a big ego, you think you know everything.

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  20. mab51357

    1 month ago

    Chapman is the heart of the Giants position players. Posey signed him to his extension. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Chapman isn’t going anywhere for 2026.

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