Jeff Kent was elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame, as revealed by the Contemporary Baseball Era Committee tonight. Kent received 14 of a possible 16 votes from the Era Committee, easily topping the 75% (12 of 16) threshold needed for induction to Cooperstown. Of the other seven candidates under consideration, Carlos Delgado was the next-closest candidate with nine votes, and Dale Murphy and Don Mattingly each received six votes. Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Gary Sheffield, and Fernando Valenzuela all received less than five votes.
A veteran of 17 Major League seasons with the Blue Jays, Mets, Indians, Giants, Astros, and Dodgers from 1992-2008, Kent hit more homers as a second baseman than any other player in history, going yard 351 times from the position. His resume includes four Silver Slugger awards and five All-Star nods, as well as the 2000 NL MVP Award when Kent was a member of the Giants.
Kent is primarily remembered for his six seasons in San Francisco and five seasons with the Mets. Beginning his career as a well-regarded prospect in the Blue Jays’ farm system, Roberto Alomar’s presence in Toronto made Kent expendable, and the Jays dealt Kent for David Cone in August 1992. Cone’s presence helped the Blue Jays capture the 1992 World Series, while Kent went onto establish himself as a solid regular during his time in New York.
The 1996 trade deadline saw Kent again on the move, this time to Cleveland. During the 1996-97 offseason, the Tribe flipped Kent to San Francisco, where he truly rose to stardom. Kent hit .297/.368/.535 with 175 homers over 3903 plate appearances and an even 900 games with the Giants from 1997-2002, teaming with Bonds to form a devastating one-two punch in the lineup. The 2002 Giants reached the World Series for Kent’s only appearance in the Fall Classic, as the team fell just short in a seven-game loss to the Angels. For his career in the postseason, Kent hit a solid .276/.340/.500 over 189 PA.
Kent spent his final six seasons with the Astros (2003-04) and Dodgers (05-08), and remained an offensive force at the plate until his production finally trailed off in his 17th and final MLB season. Over 2298 career games and 9537 PA, Kent hit .290/.356/.500 with 377 home runs, 1518 RBI, and 1320 runs scored.
Despite his impressive career numbers, Kent didn’t gain much traction during his 10 years on the writers’ ballot, as he never received more than 46.5% of the vote. A crowded ballot during Kent’s era didn’t help, yet his subpar defense and surly reputation probably also didn’t help curry much favor with voters. Clubhouse controversy followed Kent during his time with the Mets and Giants, and his stint in San Francisco included a well-publicized feud with Bonds. There is some irony, therefore, in the fact that Kent is finally making it into Cooperstown while on the same Era Committee ballot as his former Giants teammate.
Formerly known as the Veterans Committee, the Era Committee is the latest incarnation of the process that for decades has given some fresh evaluation and a second chance to players initially overlooked on the writers’ ballot. This year’s version of the Era Committee focused on players whose greatest contributions came during the “Contemporary Baseball” (1980-present) era. Next year’s ballot will focus on managers, executives, and umpires from the Contemporary Baseball era, and the 2027 ballot will consider candidates from the “Classic Baseball” era (prior to 1980) before Contemporary Players are again considered in 2028.
A rule change introduced this year added an extra layer of intrigue (or even controversy) to this year’s proceedings. Because they received less than five votes on this year’s ballot, Bonds, Clemens, Sheffield, and Valenzuela must be omitted from the next voting cycle, and can’t return to the Contemporary Players ballot until at least 2031. If any of these four players then don’t receive at least five votes in 2031 or on any future ballot, they are no longer eligible for inclusion on any Contemporary Players ballot.
The aim of this new rule is to allow more candidates to be included on Era Committee ballots on a regular basis. The concept of permanent disqualification from ballots, however, has been viewed by some as a way for the Hall of Fame to sidestep the ongoing controversy about Bonds, Clemens, Sheffield, or other prominent superstars (i.e. Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro) who were linked to PEDs. While obviously Era Committee rules could again be altered down the road, for now, the path to Cooperstown has gotten even narrower for Bonds, Clemens, or Sheffield.
The results of the writers’ ballot will be announced on January 20, with such players as Carlos Beltran and Andruw Jones seen as strong candidates to finally get over the 75% threshold after multiple years on the ballot (nine years for Jones, four years for Beltran). Any players elected on January 20 will join Kent in being officially inducted into the Hall of Fame on July 26 in Cooperstown.
The 16 members of this year’s Era Committee could vote for as many as three players, and as few as zero players. This year’s Era Committee was comprised of seven Hall of Famers (Ferguson Jenkins, Jim Kaat, Juan Marichal, Tony Perez, Ozzie Smith, Alan Trammell, Robin Yount), four former MLB general managers (Doug Melvin, Kim Ng, Tony Reagins, Terry Ryan), two current MLB owners (the Brewers’ Mark Attansio and the Angels’ Arte Moreno), two media members (the Athletic’s Tyler Kepner and Jayson Stark), and historian Steve Hirdt.

It’s about time!
Yeah I am sure he never sampled any of the Balco stuff while teammates with Bonds. And don’t even get me started on the “character” quality that is supposed to be there for a HOFer. This guy actually was a bad guy on a reality show. If you are on a reality show and look like the bad guy, you truly are despicable.
He & Bonds hated each other, fwiw.
everyone hated bonds and Kent to be fair
Yeah I know. He actually made Barry Bonds look like the “good guy” in their feud, which is almost as bad as the reality show thing.
No, everyone did NOT hate Bonds & Kent.
Pure hypocrisy that Selig and now Kent get elected to HOF before Bonds?
Bonds was also jealous of the attention Van Slyke received from the media when both played for the Pirates
Kent and bonds were pretty universally disliked
you’re mad
His MVP should have gone to Bonds.
Nope. It should have gone to Todd Helton.
His MVP should have gone to Helton.
The best cheaters are always the ones who didn’t get caught.
Hurt “washing his truck”, right?
The HOF is really just a version of a never-ending argument. The criteria for election are vague, subjective, elastic. Each player’s case is supported—or denigrated—by statistics, but in this statistics-mad sport, there are so many stats that you can find one or more to support just about anything. There isn’t much agreement on which stats are more important than others. If wins for a starting pitcher don’t mean much these days, maybe we should weed out players who made the Hall largely on that basis. And the same for players whose career batting averages, RBIs, or ERA were their claim to fame. There’s a thought—dismantle the Hall of Fame, establish objective criteria based on performance, not the subjective vote of observers, and rebuild it. Or not.
or just realize that it is a museum meant to draw tourists and never was anything more than that
“Reality” TV.
Kent never played on a team I rooted for so I didn’t care much about his HoF candidacy, but you are doing classic projection of your own likely malignant character
You make an accusation of him using PED’s while presenting no evidence, and then make judgments using a term like “truly despicable” because of … wait for it… how he looked on a damn reality TV show.. Unreal.
The tribe has spoken.
LOL
Six – You mean the “Guardians” have spoken ;O)
Yep, it’s about time
About time? Jeff Kent gets in and Lou Whitaker remains on the outside? Are you kidding me?.
Lou Whitaker – one of the all time injuries. Hurt himself dancing. Tried one of those Russian cossack moves on the dance floor, did the splits, never got back up.
Unlike Sandberg, Whitaker won a World Series.
Sick burn
Also Davey Martinez, world series, unlike Sandberg. And to add insult, some boom boom time with the missus
Theo – Damn, never heard that one.
Right up there with Wade Boggs taking off his cowboy boots, Edwin Diaz celebrating a WBC victory, and Dustin May’s salad eating.
I guess Kike Hernandez is a shoo-in, with that logic
Imagine throwing shade at one of the nicest guys to ever play the game, who also had twice as many All-Star appearances as Whitaker, twice as many steals as Whitaker, and three times as many Gold Gloves – in three fewer seasons played.
fear – I’ll bite, who are you talking about? Kent? I don’t see anyone throwing shade at anyone in this comment string.
so did thousands of other players but they weren’t worthy of Hall induction
all by himself of course – try ‘“played on a Ws winning team”
Hopefully Lou Whitaker still gets in someday.
2369 hits
244 homers
1084 RBIs
143 SBs
.276
He was great defensively as well. Compare his numbers to Ozzie Smith.
Agree!
Bonds, Clemens, et al.. don’t feel so bad, I didn’t get in either..
it makes zero sense that Trammell is in and Lou is outside
using your logic, Mccutchen should also get inducted and he has more homers and rhi than Whitaker
Lou Whitaker was also a SUPREMELY BETTER SECOND BASEMAN than Jeff Kent. So much attention goes to the offensive #’s. That’s to be expected from the majority of fans (especially casual fans), but when it comes to Hall of Fame voting DEFENSE should carry a lot more weight than it does.
Bonds & Clemens should be in. The HOF voters are narrow minded evangelists.
If David Ortiz and Jim Thome are in then Bonds, Clemens and Sosa should be in.
This gets glazed over way to much. Ortiz tested positive and no one cared. The voting for this is all personal feeling BS
I’m of the school of thought that steroid use saved baseball in the late 1990s, not to mention it wasn’t banned by the league at the time. Bonds is arguably the greatest baseball player to ever live (I think he’s #2) and then you have harold baines, with a plaque, good ball player no doubt – but cmon.
Ortiz was likable and played the media well, Bonds was not and did not like the journalists who had savaged his father.
Yea, understood. But if the standard is “nice to reporters” what are we doing here?
He was definitely a late bloomer
It’s not a horrible choice, but it’s also not a good choice.
Oh yeah, there are plenty more deserving of going to the hall of fame no doubt. Loften, Jones, Edmonds to name a few
Hall of Really, Really, Pretty Good.
David Ortiz is the bar. Kent clears it.
Expand please???
Congratulations Jeff Kent very worthy hof player always felt he was underrated. On the flip side Don Mattingly not getting in just doesn’t sit rite with me . Not only is he a hof player he is a hof person! Between Donnie Baseball and Notre Dame getting the shaft bad day for me and lots of fans
Mattingly only had 6 great years in a career that was cut short at age 34, and he wasn’t dominant enough within those great years to make up for those disadvantages like Koufax, Dean, or eventually Posey.
Compare with Keith Hernandez
HE WASNT DOMINANT ENOUGH IN THOSE 6 years??? Are you kidding me? He was arguably the best player in baseball. MVP, hitting, slugging records. gold gloves. Did you watch the man play?
Scott I will bet better parts of my anatomy that he didn’t.
Mattingly –
42.4 career WAR | 35.7 7yr-peak WAR | 3.8 WAR/162
Avg HOF 1B –
65.0 career WAR | 42.0 7yr-peak WAR | 4.8 WAR/162
Over that same 7 years of Mattingly’s peak, Trammell had 42.7 WAR and that was not his peak 7 years. Boggs had a 51.7 WAR and that was not his peak 7 years. Rickey Henderson had a 51.9 WAR and that was not his peak 7 years. Ripken had 45.4 WAR over those 7 years and it was not his peak 7 years either. There were 8 others that were also better over those 7 years and that time frame was not their peak 7 years.
Its obvious that Mattingly was not arguably the best player in baseball even at his peak. He wasn’t in the top 10 at his best. Because of that Mattingly doesn’t belong in the HOF.
HOVG? Definitely. Are you going to open one?
Not the Hall of War either
Always makes me laugh when people use WAR to make their argument. WAR is so flawed and using it shows me that you are clueless.
What part of the formula do you disagree with? How would you improve it?
Redsforlife: explain how it is so flawed?
As a huge Mattingly fan, I can’t disagree much with that argument. Except that Jeff Kent is in the Hall of Fame.
Orbit I know you didn’t ask what part of the formula that Reds didn’t like but the older people who actually watched these guys in general looked at the sport thru different (not better than or less than) lenses. In era today where batting avg and strike outs launch angles vs sacrifice yourself to move runners over is looked at different. Truth being most of us old guys like myself (50) have no idea how most analytics are figured out and prefer the older ways . Not trying to cause any drama I also think it’s safe to assume the younger fans love sabre metrics where older people could not tell you what war siera this one or that stat means ….we look at batting avg on base strike outs vs walks is this player clutch in key situations body language you can tell when guys truly buy in and many other things…..we appreciate the hard work and deep dives of the analytics of today but think there is no perfect way to cut numbers up imo but we all love this game and that’s 99.9,% of what matters hopefully I made some sense lol
But, but, but … Mattingly played for the YANKEES!!! 😉
What parts do you agree with, and why is it the ideal way to measure a career?
There were a few others who were just as good or better during those 6 years, and during that specific period none of them had the dominance of the three exceptions I listed (as even Mike Schmidt and Tony Gwynn started to decline in 1988 and 1989).
Maybe he would’ve been considered dominant enough if he played all 6 years at the same level as 1984-1986, but he didn’t
five cent brain, thanks for chiming in. Now we know you don’t understand what the stats mean.
Reds, see my comment for 5 cent brain. You fit that description to a t.
During his career Mattingly was average in productive outs at 36.5%. Our memories often deceive us, especially for our heroes. The stats don’t.
I am well over 50, the last of my playing days were in AA in 1981. I understand WAR.
Over his career Mattingly was 93rd for 1B in OPS. 61st in RBI. 123rd in productive out percentage. 85th in HR.
Over his peak 7 years Mattingly old school stats still did not match the stats of HOF 1B on offense.
I was a huge Mattingly fan in the 1980s and I don’t believe he is a HOF player. New school and old school stats show he is just outside what it would take to get in.
There is no way Jeff Kent is better than big papi
Except Big Papi juiced and got in anyway, given a free pass by The Evangelists.
I don’t understand the people that claim Ortiz used PED and that was why he was so good.
In 2004 Bud Selig said that Ortiz’s test in 2003 was likely a false positive and that it was unfortunate that they could not test the B & C samples because it was a survey test and those samples were destroyed.
The next season they started testing regularly and because of that positive Ortiz was tested 10 times per season, which was more than 3 times more often than most players. He never failed a test from 2004 through 2016.
From 2004 when that testing started through his retirement 13 seasons later we watched Ortiz hit better (148 OPS+/149 wRC+) than from 1997-2003 (116 OPS+/115 wRC+) when he was supposedly using PED.
Go look at his 1997 Fleer Card and his 2004 Topps Cards. Not much difference in size. 10 lbs.
You have probably heard him as a commentator on Fox Sports. You KNOW that guy was not some evil genius that could avoid getting caught by drug testing.
He was just really good at hitting a baseball.
Skip
I don’t think Papi is clean
1. Palmeiro was caught and he didn’t look that much different in 2005 than he did in 1992.
2. Masking agents, cycling, timing. The cheaters are always 2 steps ahead of the law and baseball wasn’t as stringent as track and field, trust me, and even there the cheaters get ahead unless they get greedy. Anyone who suddenly moves up the rank in track is suspicious, eventually most are caught. They don’t have the financial resources of a major league baseball player, in contract or endorsements.
3. He hit .315 with 37 HR and 58 doubles at age 40. No decline in his late 30s. Like Bonds. Like Clemens. And retires?
4. No he doesn’t appear to be an evil genius. But he’s rich and certainly could have hired a “nutritionist” who knew how to get him by the tests.
He’s smart enough to play the part well, he’s a big media teddy bear, he makes baseball a lot of money.
Skip – If you want to ignore the roid rage (youtu.be/3eoro-V97l0?si=5_uNa-HXeuFD_Iwv) and the abnormal stats, his close association with roids guys like ARod and Manny, and the 2003 positive test, that’s fine.
In August 2006, at Age 30 and in the middle of the biggest power year of his career when he hit 54 homers, he was twice admitted to the hospital for mysterious heart palpitations. Steroids are well known for causing heart palpitations. The hospital visits were brushed under the rug, of course.
After that season he never hit more than 38 homers for the remainder of his career.
Most people that juiced were good guys. You think Andy Pettitte is a bad guy? And Ortiz was talented, just like Bonds without PEDs. Talented players will still be good without the extra help.
FPG
IMO Thurman Munson is the most agreigas omission from the H.oF. I know he only played 11 years,( Hack Wilson is in and he played 12 years)but he is still 12th all-time in war for the catching position. MVP votes in 7 of his 9 full seasons , winning the award in 1976. R.o Y winner. 3 time gold glove winner. .357 postseason b.a. 2 time WS winner ,1st Yankee captain since Lou Gehrig. I couldn’t stand him being a Sox fan ,but the kind of player I really enjoyed. Was the heart and soul of those great Yankee teams Sweet Lou Whitaker should also be in.
Who do you think should be in that’s not? Steroid guys? Murphy, Tiante, Dewey,Mattingly,ect …?
cdc – I agree on Munson, for me a decade should be the minimum played and he played a decade.
Of course I agree on Whitaker.
Clemens and Bonds should be in, they are being punished for cheating but it’s quite clear they were HOF worthy before they began cheating …. unlike guys like Sosa, Manny, ARod, etc.
Schilling should be in, it’s not a popularity contest.
Yes to Murphy, Tiant, Dewey, Mattingly.
FPG
I understand your point on Bonds and Clemens. Do you or is there proof that Manny was juicing before Boston? His numbers in Cleveland were Hall worthy.When did Arod get exposed? Robinson Cano was on pace to be elected. Schilling should be in, plenty of jackasses already in. The last few guys may come up a little short IMO. Speaking of Cano , the worst move ever leaving the Yankees, could hat been a legend. Was he the 1st Yankee to leave via free agency while still in his prime ? Until Juan Soto.
FPG: “The hospital visits were brushed under the rug, of course.”
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More inaccurate info from this troll. Ortiz fully explained the hospital visit. You can read his quotes here:
espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=2567347
Pete let’s pretend I’m new to planet earth and the usa along with baseball in general could you please explain to me like again for lack of a better word clueless to what you are saying Evangelist gave him free pass? I thank you in advance for your answers
Thornton Mellon wins today’s award of best name!!!! Rock on buddy. Jason remember you don’t lie to me you lie to girls n never forget you can do anything YOUR A MELLON!!!! Long live Rodney Dangerfield comedy classics
Palmiero went from 180 lbs in 1987 to 210 in 2004. His jersey size went from a 42 in 1988 with the Cubs to a 48 in 2004 with the Orioles.
If he was only tested 3 times per year like most players I would agree with you about masking agents and timing. When you test 10 times per year and at random its pretty hard to get away with it.
In 2005 Lance Armstrong made $25 million from endorsements and earned $125 million in endorsements over his career. That does not include what he was paid by the US Postal Service team. David Ortiz made $1.25 million in 2003 and never made more than $16 million in a season.
Ben Johnson made $2.5 million from one endorsement contract alone, made $7 million total in 1988 from endorsements, and had a net worth of an estimated $50 million when he was busted. That is more than David Ortiz was making in 2003-2004 or had earned to that point. Marion Jones was the first woman track athlete to earn more than $1 million in a year. She made about what David Ortiz did in 2003.
Ortiz hit 38 HR at age 40. Ortiz was not offered a contract by Boston to play for the team in 2017 and retired instead of signing elsewhere. Then after a huge backlash by fans, in September of that year he signed a long term contract with the team to “mentor of current players, be active on free-agency recruiting efforts, perform a series of special appearances for the team, and work on business venture development for Fenway Sports Management and its partners.” The team said the contract was in perpetuity and Ortiz said it was forever.
Your conspiracy theory not withstanding, there is no evidence that Ortiz ever used steroids from 2004 through the end of his career in 2016. Ortiz not so coincidentally got better as a hitter when pitchers that took the mound against Ortiz from 1997-2003 like Clemens, Pettitte, Grimsley, Byrd, Stone, Brown, and Rocker could no longer use PED with impunity.
Orbit, which Ortiz showed he was good without any help from 2004-2016.
skippy – You continue to show you don’t know much about the Red Sox.
BEFORE his final season he decided to retire, because he was playing in pain from injuries especially an achilles injury. The Red Sox didn’t offer him a contract after his final season because he told them he was done.
Backlash from fans? What backlash? Why would fans be angry with the Red Sox for him retiring? Very strange take you have there. He signed a lifetime contract with the Sox because he likes attention and he likes money even more.
FPG, so you are saying you have no evidence.
Ortiz’s trips to the hospital were national news in 2006. Guess what they do when you are admitted to the hospital for any cardiac condition? They do blood tests. If there were steroids in his system, they would have been flagged. The doctors said his symptoms were consistent with a common, generally non-life-threatening type of irregular heartbeat called atrial fibrillation.
Atrial fibrillation is only a symptom of high-dosage, long-term corticosteroid use. Ortiz was tested 10 times per year from 2004 through the end of his career. That type of steroid usage was not possible for him. That type of steroid use also causes changes to the heart structure of which he had none.
Career years are typically between age 26 and 30. His was at 30. Almost all players never come within 25% of most of their stats in that career year. What exactly is different for Ortiz?
Nothing you have said indicates steroid use by Ortiz.
Ortiz was a good hitter that got better when pitchers, especially Yankees pitchers, could no longer use steroids.
Its obvious you are a Yankees fan. Why do you try to claim otherwise?
I went from 170 to 210 in 6 months because I quit running 60 miles a week. My chest size went from 40 to 48 over 3-4 years and I never used anything more than a flintstone vitamin. Most players will gain weight in their early/mid 20s. Palmeiro looked the same from his first year with the Orioles to his final. I just looked again at my cards.
What relevance does comparing Marion Jones or Ben Johnson or Lance Armstrong to Ortiz have? Invalid. You have to compare each to themselves – what they would have made had they not cheated. Jones and Johnson basically nothing because only the top couple of athletes really got paid in track. Armstrong rides in local bike races and makes 50 bucks for winning. Ortiz also makes less money if his performance is not as good.
There are only a couple players who were at peak form at age 40. Roger Clemens – Steroids. Barry Bonds – Steroids. David Ortiz.
Your unabashed blindness to reality leaves you unable to prove that he did not take steroids as much as I can’t prove he did. In 2009 MLB confirmed that Ortiz was on the 2009 list as a positive.
He’s tainted.
cdc – hi !
Manny left Cleveland before testing began in 2003, but I remember reading the reports about him and also about Ortiz and ARod who were teammates in the Seattle organization.
I think you could be right about Cano, and the only reason the Yankees let him go was because they knew he was juicing. They certainly handled that situation the best way possible, letting him leave.
Every other notable Yankee from David Wells, David Cone etc were past their prime. When do you consider Roger’s prime? He was incredible with Houston, especially 2005.
Paul Byrd? Admitted and claimed that he used HGH under a doctor’s supervision for a pituitary gland condition from 2002-2005. Although MLB officials said no exemption was granted for HGH use at that time, no suspension was issued to those who tested positive. Ortiz failed test in the “anonymous survey” conducted in 2003 also resulted in no disciplinary action by MLB. Noted that you state there’s “no evidence that Ortiz ever used steroids from 2004 through the end of his career.” Byrd’s 4 seam fastball was clocked in the low to mid 80’s, sat around 86. When he overthrew the pitch, he could push it up to 90-91, but stated that he did so only—and rarely— as a change of pace to keep hitters off his breaking pitches and high 80’s sinker. Putting Byrd in a list of hard throwers who likely gained fb velocity through their use of steroids is laughable. His strikeout of Ortiz in the first inning of that 2007 Playoff game was on a perfectly spotted low sinker. Byrd later said he threw it as hard as he could. The pitch was clocked at 91 mph. Byrd was also 2 years removed from HGH use during that season. He was well known for getting by on guile and command of his low velocity pitches. Inferring that his success was due to steroid use is laughable, as is trying to claim that Ortiz failed due to same.
skippy – Thornton already did a good job explaining to you about masking agents etc. if you think testing is 100% accurate then you probably think those who got caught were using only when they were caught, which is beyond laughable. When you’re making millions a year, you can afford the best way to get away with cheating.
He likely got the extra power in 2006 because he began using something stronger or he increased the dosage. He got the roid rage like when he smashed the phone because of the roids, which BTW has been a huge part of the DR culture for decades.
Trying to discredit me by accusing me of being a Yankee fan is beyond lame.
Thornton – You mean the 2003 list, not the 2009 list …. right? Otherwise great post, Skippy is clearly a huge fanboy of Ortiz.
@Skip’s Fungo: Bud Selig never said Ortiz 2003 test was due to a false positive. Rob Manfred later said in his 2009 statement on the matter that “there were at least 10 false positives among the tests, making it unfair to judge players solely on the list.” Neither Manfred or Selig mentioned Ortiz by name when referring to the 2003 tests.
FPG, Boston dot com, NESN, ESPN, and lots of others saying that the Red Sox didn’t offer him a contract to play in 2017. Many of those same articles talk about the fan backlash,. There is a slew of articles in September of that year that talk about the fan backlash as the main reason Henry signed Ortiz to a long-term deal with the club as a mentor, recruiter, and figurehead.
I can’t post a link or my post gets a comment waiting for moderation on it and no one else ever sees it.
You have demonstrated in an unassailable manner that you are not a Red Sox fan and like to troll instead of facing facts. Even when people have posted the facts you have tried to spin it. You have not shown one reason that I should respond further to your dross.
@Skipo’s Fungo: Should have expected you to resort to a strawman deflection. I didn’t say anything about the 2017 contract. I referred only to the false claim you made that “In 2004 Bud Selig said that Ortiz’s test in 2003 was likely a false positive…….” I refuted that statement because it isn’t true. Again—-Selig and Manfred never specifically referred to Ortiz by name in their comments about the possibility of false positives in the 2003 survey test. You can’t respond because you’re not being truthful about the issue, thus your insertion of the strawman argument about something I never commented on—-the 2017 contract issue. You didn’t post a fact when you claimed Selig used Ortiz name in his discussion of the 2003 tests. He did not. You invented that to bolster your defense of Ortiz. What does being a Sox fan have to do w/”facing facts”? Being a Sox fan hasn’t given you the ability to do so. Keep adding straw to your “worthless rubbish.”
Skippy – No offensive but your posts are getting as idiotic as I’ve ever seen around here.
Links awaiting moderation here? That’s a lie.
Here’s a link proving Ortiz announced on his 40th birthday in 2015 that the 2016 season would be his last:
espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/14153965/boston-red-sox-sl…
Now why on earth would ANY team announce more than a year ahead of time they wouldn’t be extending a player?
Here’s a link proving the Red Sox actually were prepared to pick up an option for the 2017 season in the event he changed his mind about retiring:
boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2016/11/03/red-so…
So you lied about not being allowed to post links.
You lied about Ortiz wanting to play in 2017.
And you lied about the Red Sox not wanting him to play in 2017.
Yep, you’re not gonna respond to any more of my posts. Because I’m done wasting time on a pathological liar.
@FPG: Thought he was responding to me, lol. Still doesn’t change what I said to him. He wasn’t being truthful about what Selig and Manfred said about the 2003 steroid tests either. Add that to his list of falsehoods.
Jeff – Yeah he’s 100% a pathological liar, no doubt he was just seeking attention. If you’re gonna lie about the Sox, at least know SOMETHING about them. LOL!
Thornton, Palmiero didn’t look the same. He also didn’t change his life drastically like you claim you did.
YOU mentioned track athletes and cyclists. I showed you that you were wrong about their income levels. Now you are trying to claim it doesn’t have relevance? Seriously?
Ortiz was far below his peak at 40. His peak was 2006.
There is no evidence that Ortiz used steroids after 2003 and that evidence is not strong either.
I own those Palmiero jerseys I spoke of. There is a HUGE difference between 42 and 48 and since Palmiero didn’t become a fat blob in 2004 like you said you did there is no reason.for that much change in size.
What is tainted is your thinking. Put down the bottle.
FPG: Yeah, he’s even wrong about me not being a Sox fan. I’m a die hard Braves fan, but I was 10 years old when I saw my first World Series (that I remember) on tv in 1967 —– BoSox vs the Cards. My father was a Cards fan— even though Clemente and Tony Conigliaro were his 2 favorite position players—- so I naturally wanted the Sox to win. I’ll never forget him telling me the whole Series that Boston couldn’t win it because Gibson was the toughest pitcher in baseball. Watching the Sox and Cards square off in that awesome 7 game Series was something I’ve never forgotten. Had a soft spot for the Sox ever since. Guess it’s fair to say they’ve been my AL team since. I did take particular delight in 68 when Detroit beat the Cards though. Heh—-my 2nd favorite AL team………..
Byrd admitted to using HGH. Just stop there. There are multiple checks written by him that the person he purchased from said was for Deca-Durabolin. Since he would have no other reason to be dealing with that particular person who was convicted of dealing steroids, that is strong evidence of his usage of the drugs. Trying to say that his performance was not aided by steroids is what is laughable.
There is no such evidence against Ortiz.
I am a coach. I deal with the same testing for my athletes that MLB players face only more frequent testing. I know exactly what I am talking about. Obviously you don’t.
Anger doesn’t mean roid rage.
You discredit yourself every time you make a post on here.
Nashville, you are correct about who it was that talked about the false positives. I just looked up who was the commissioner at the time of the testing and subsequent report on the survey testing. Manfred did refer to Ortiz by name.
FPG
I don’t believe the Yankees let him go. Jay-Z became his agent and convinced Cano that Seattle and the most money was the thing to do. Not sure how concerned the Yankees were about steroids at the time , I remember people being shocked that Cano left.
cdc – hi !
The Yankees never get outbid on players they want to keep. If they wanted to keep him, they’d have kept him.
I agree it was shocking, Yankees don’t lose their own players still in their prime. Money has never been an issue with them.
You’re seriously going to diminish David Ortiz like that? Ortiz is a legend, he led Boston to 3 World Series wins. He was still at the top of his game when he retired at 40. The guy hit 541 homers. He walked almost as much as he struck out. He had a career 141 OPS+. He was a first-ballot HOFer. Check yourself Doug.
Also roids. The Big Syringi
Come on Theo…. Sammy went from 110 lbs to 210 muscle head and you watched from bleachers and drank your Bud and didn’t notice??
Sammy did, but if Papis in first ballot, what’s the difference?
Look at Jim Thome growth .
Jim Thome big boned. Like other males after 30
Boston Papi wasnt using the Syringi
He was drinking Old Style. Couldn’t afford the Bud out there in the bleachers at Wrigley.
Yeah I went Bud… I think Theo is a younging…..I of course had Old Style… then Ron Santo pizza and a delicious frosty malt with wooden spoon!!
Luke – Manny Ramirez is a legend. He led the Red Sox to 2 WS wins. He hit 555 homeruns. He has a .411 career OBP. He has a career 154 OPS+. He was still at the top of his game during his last full season with a 1.031 OPS season at Age 36.
No offense but you sound like a major Ortiz fanboy who can’t separate what he did for his team with how he was able to do it.
I will always appreciate the enjoyment Manny and Ortiz brought to me, and I’m fine with their cheating only because so many others were also. But I’m not going to foolishly believe neither was helped with PED’s when there’s so much evidence.
If David Ortiz is in the bar, you might want to put down your drink and leave fast. That one time Papi was in a bar…
It’s the Hall of Not the Best of the Best
Sadler, a line had to be drawn somewhere. No matter where it is put, there will always be players fringe in/out.
“Not the best of the best”, even though he was one of the best-hitting second basemen in baseball history? Again, where is the definitive line for “best of the best”?
FPG: “But I’m not going to foolishly believe neither was helped with PED’s when there’s so much evidence.”
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There is no evidence. A positive test in 2003 does not mean a PED was used.
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The Larry David Hall of Pretty, Pretty, Pretty Good.
Nonsense. He should have been in years ago.
Wear your Giants hat Jeff! Congrats
99% chance he’s going to, right?
Aloha Gwynning! Kent was a mentor of mine in college, I really respected him. Felt like he never received the respect he was due in SF because he was always in Bonds shadow. I’m happy for him. Hope your Padres are able to keep King. Melekalikimaka! Mahalo Nui!
I remember you talking about Kent, kg braddha! Hauole Makihiki hou 🤙🏽
Aloha Gwynning, yeah we were all at berzerkley as they called it, in the SF Bay area. Jeff was a very example for us younger guys as he expected us to give 150% on and off the field as he did. I know there are arguments for and against him getting in. I’m happy he made it. And yes, Hauole Makihiki hou, Have a blessed New Year!
He said he was going to on MLBTV.
@GiantsFan81
No, it’ll be the Blue Jays… 😉
I don’t think so.
Players no longer get to choose what cap.
Nice.
My favorite Giant while he was in SF.
Congrats!
Leaving out 4 of the greatest ball players of all time by being righteous and a human being at the same time is laughable to me
Kent is a border-line HOF;er, and while his selection isn’t egregious, it’s a sham compared to Dale Murphy and Don Mattingly not being installed.
Kent’s numbers are at least better than Murphy’s and Mattingly’s. I agree that Kent is borderline at best, but those two are even less qualified.
Harold Baines?
Going in as an Astro
Good for him
He shouldn’t.
Well deserved. Grats Jeff!
Mattingly hopefully next year is a better result for you.
I’m more than ok with Donnie Baseball getting in, injury-shortened prime or not. If not for his faulty back, he was a no-brainer.
Bu he DID have a faulty back. You can have an “if not” for 50% of all players that ever played the game. “If nots” shouldn’t matter, otherwise we should elect Mark Prior and Kerry Wood because “if not” for injuries they would have dominated MLB for a decade. Or “if not” for drugs, then Dwight Gooden and Darryl Strawberry should have been first ballot guys.
Donnie still clears the medium-to-low-ish HOF bar for me hiflew, as do many others. Sweet Lou, Dwight Evans, Murphy, et al. have earned the Honors, more than Baines imo.
I’m a big Donnie Baseball fan and yes, he was HOF caliber and really strong prime years but for HOF, I think the ability to stay healthy and have a lengthy career art high level is part of the equation.
I’d think a 2x MVP with 398 hrs and over 2110 hits with lots of AS and GG would be in – Dale Murphy.
Back in the day, 400 HR was a lock.
If not for the beaning, Tony Conigliaro.
If not for the tragedy, Thurman Munson.
If he didn’t take the money, Shoeless Joe.
If not for the migraines, Hal Trosky.
Can’t induct based on What if?
Sure you can, drew. Put ’em all in. And Joe didn’t take the dough. 🍻
Baines takes too much heat for a guy with almost 2900 career hits. Factor in the time missed with the 81 strike and the 94/95 strike and he would be a 3000 hit club member. Yeah I know…another “if not” there.
That being said, I wouldn’t have a big problem with ANY of the guys you mentioned being elected ahead of the bozo that got in tonight.
Fair enough hiflew! Cheers 🍻
OK, let’s compare Mattingly to Baines, generally agreed to be the worst selection in recent years:
Mattingly Baines
bWAR 42.4 38.8
fWAR 40.7 38.4
wRC+ 124 119
wRC 1133 1598
OPS .830 .820
HR 222 384
H 2153 2866
SB 14 34
BB 588 1062
BB/K 1.32 0.74
MVPs 1 0
Gold Gloves 9 0
Silver Sluggers 3 1
Championships 0 0
Basically, Baines destroys Mattingly in most counting stats, Mattingly played much better defense (albet at first base) and had much better plate discipline, Mattingly won more awards, and Mattingly was slightly better in offensive rate stats and WAR. Overall, they aren’t that far off from each other.
Not to mention for the flak Harold got as a DH, he was a fleet OF before suffering debilitating knee injuries
Mattingly gets punished for his cheesy Magnum PI pornstache tho. Lot more respect when he ditched that as a manager
No demerits for the ‘stache, Theo; he gets a total “it was the 80’s” pass!
Don’t have to say what if. Donnie is a HOF’r based off what he did. Was Dale Murphy ever considered the best player in baseball at any time during his career? Nope. We had 6 years of Donnie being in the convo for best player. 6 Years!
Issue with longevity tho is you end up w boring Don Sutton guys compilers but never really thought of as one of the best 5 guys or so at any one time. Might as well let in Jamie Moyer
@Scott: Winning MVP’s puts any player in the conversation for “best player in baseball at anytime in his career.” Murphy won back to back NL MVP’s in 82/83. He also was second only to Mike Schmidt for homers in the 80’s. 313 for Schmidt, 308 for Murphy. Scmidt was also the only player in baseball to hit more homers than Murphy during the 7 year period between 1982-1987. 7 Years! You don’t have to trash Murphy to build up Mattingly.
Oops………6 years between 82-87 lol………..6 Years!
Baines was also one of the best clutch hitters of all time.
Nope, even during his prime, Mattingly wasn’t generally considered to be better than guys like Mike Schmidt, Tony Gwynn, Robin Yount, or Cal Ripken Jr.
That’s why it’s generally the guys who had BOTH peak and longevity that get in.
Lanidrac
Mattingly’s prime was 84-87
Ripken had an excellent 84, slightly better than 83 in most areas but somehow drops from 1 to 27 in MVP…but not quite as good as Mattingly. He had a good 85 and 86, not in Mattingly’s neighborhood. He was a bit above average in 87. Ripken’s best year was 1991 and he was excellent in 1983 and 1984, otherwise he was dependable for a string of good to very good years.
Rockin Robin had 4 solidly very good seasons from 84-87. None of them were in Mattingly’s neighborhood. Yount put up a tremendous year in 1982, a great one in 1983 and 1990. Similar pattern as Ripken with his other years.
Schmidt had four solidly excellent seasons from 84-87. I’d say in 84 they were close, Mattingly ahead in 85 and 86, maybe Schmidt is ahead in 87. Schmidt always more for power. Both excellent defenders. This is the closest call – and I’d say Schmidt is approaching inner circle HOF.
Gwynn isn’t a great comparison. Gwynn had no power but could run. Both hit for high averages and were excellent fielders. Different players.
Compare Mattingly to say, Eddie Murray’s 1980-85 along with Schmidt. The primary difference is that Murray added twice as many very good years and Schmidt had another 4 or 5 possibly better years up to 1981.
But Mattingly’s prime compares to Murray’s and Schmidt’s. And I say this as a big Murray fan. Mattingly didn’t support it with a bunch of very good years too.
Best interview too- Evidently. First player to ever get his number retired while still active?
Do you not realize that Dale Murphy won 2 straight MVP? Since you don’t, should we even consider your opinion on Mattingly? Nope.
Scott, Dale won 2 mvps, right?
Scott,
If you read all of my posts, I’m a DM fan and was during his playing time – he grew about 45 minutes from where I live.
I think it’s best to say it was. 4 year window and not 6.
Also, how about a Kirby Puckett comp (in HOf with 12 years).
Kirby had about 10 more WAR and during a 9 year stretch, he was in top 7 MVP 7 times out of 9.
Those extra 3 years of elite performance got him the extra 10 WAR.
I think DM was really good when healthy and as stated above, a HOF path but for injuries. People argue that longevity isn’t a basis for HOF but ironically, if you average his career out, DM could have used a little longevity.
Not bashing in any way.
Didn’t Baines play over 20 years? He was good, but also a compiler of stats.
They were just showing last night on MLB in those peak years how Mattingly was up there with Gwynn and Boggs but with higher SLG, and tops in the league in total bases among other categories. They were also talking about how the ballots today lean heavier on peak vs total stats.
Maybe not Yount, but you underestimate the others.
Mattingly’s prime was from ’84-’89. 1988 and 1989 help push Ripken past him. (if he only had a 4 year prime like you claim, that would make him an even weaker Hall of Fame candidate.)
No, Schmidt was indeed overall better from ’84-’89, He tailed off in the last two years, but the first four more than make up for it (plus as you said he had a longer prime before then). At the very least, you can’t say Mattingly was generally considered the better player at that time.
Gwynn didn’t need much power to still be an overall much better hitter and overall better player during that period. Even though he had a different hitting style, hitters can still be compared directly through certain metrics.
Munson did enough before the tragedy to get in. Every single catcher with career WAR higher than Munson (46.0) is in the Hall. Campanella (42.0 WAR) is in. Like Munson, his career was shortened both by a tragedy and by playing his early years in the Negro leagues, which played far less games each season than MLB. Nevertheless, Campy had more games and PAs than Munson. Campanella was better than Munson at his peak, but it’s close. Munson was not th best catcher of his time, but only because his time overlapped with Bench, probably the best catcher ever. It also overlapped with Hall of Famer Carlton Fisk. Fisk’s overall numbers are impressive, but largely because he had almost 4,000 more plate appearance (67% more) than Munson.
Of course Baines’ has higher counting stats. He had 2,200 more plate appearances. Hows this for a counting stat:?
Outs made: Baines 7,340, Mattingly 5,041.
Yes he did. He took five grand.
It was retired by the White Sox, that doesn’t count. They’d do anything to put 5 more people in the Cell.
DM as in Depeche Mode fan?
You’re not wrong. Not saying one is better or worse than the other, just that there is a tendency to look at “magic #s” – 300 wins, 3000 hits, .300 and worry less about the journey than the destination.
Another compiler, Cal. Number of mediocre years x 162. Obviously never a doubt, record. But not an all time great
Well than why did Donny most stop playing? Not Harolds or other compilers fault that Donny quit (checks notes) at 34? Lazy? No longer wanted? There’s something to be said for still being in demand and still delivering timely hits in to your 18th season. Should be room to appreciate careers and exciting peaks. Sounds like Donny experienced a bit of Andruw Jones luck. Hitting a wall and ceasing in their mid 30s
Donny quit or was no longer wanted at age 34. So evaluating Baines post 34 career. The years one might differentiate him for “padding stats”.
Here is his OPS from 1993 to 2000 from age 34 to age 40.
Age 34. .900
Age 35. .840
Age 36. .943
Age 37. .902
Age 38. .832
Age 39. .819
Age 40. .919 (!)
Age 40 split: .312/.387/.533
We should all age that gracefully.
Hardly hanging on. Pretty darn impressive.
drew – I think it’s the inconsistency that irks people the most.
Tony C is a poor comparison, he played only 6-7 full years in the majors which disqualifies him. Trosky played 8 full years which disqualifies him.. Munson played 10 full years, which is the minimum requirement by the HOF.
The Hall Of Fame is a joke now! Who really cares?
You say that but yet you are commenting in a thread about the hall of fame. You could’ve easily skipped it but you clicked it and even commented. Seems like you’re in denial about your love for the hall of fame
There have been a few misfires. No question. But I care about the HOF. Kent definitely deserves to be in it. Full disclosure: Dodger fan.
@Mega
Some people clicked here to see if the Hall finally recognized there is no such thing as a truly honest human being.
Seems they are still incapable of recognizing their hypocrisy, as are all those that agree with them.
🙄
It’ll be three years before Mattingly can be up again. Same with Delgado and Murphy. The vet committee is divided into three categories with each one voted every three years.
Never saw the guy have 2 bad ABs in a row, always made adjustments. Loved watching him play hard and always wished he was a Padre instead of a Giant and then Dodger.
Long overdue, congrats!
Bonds & clemens left out again
Rightfully so
The bottom line is we don’t know what Ortiz tested positive for in 2003. It may not have been steroids. The test results were destroyed and there were many false positives.
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Tested positive for gas?
Guaranteed that every person that agrees with you, including every writer that voted no and every voter in the veteran’s committee that voted no, has cheated and/or lied to get ahead at some point in the their life.
How do I know? Because they are human beings and every single person that believes they are righteousness are hypocrites exactly 100% of the time.
So no one you know should be in the Hall of Fame. Gotcha
Don’t forget Piazza
@soxprospectsroverrated, unlike with dishonest people like you, honest and informed people know that that drug test wasn’t clear about what was included to flag positive (it wasn’t just steroids, and might have included more benign stuff relatively speaking) and, more importantly, those results are KNOWN TO INCLUDE FALSE POSITIVES, in part because those tests weren’t conducted to full drug testing rigors. The goal was to get a ballpark sense of the extent of PED use, not to pass judgment on individual players.
That doesn’t whatsoever exonerate Ortiz, but unless one is a turd it unquestionably is insufficient to prove guilt. Meanwhile, almost all of the all star level of Ortiz’s career came after MLB had real drug testing and penalties and he never tested positive once – unlike with someone like former teammate Manny Ramirez. So, if he was some sort of juicer, he dodged an awful lot of rain drops to pull that off.
It would be dishonest to declare him innocent, and it’s dishonest to suggest that he is proven guilty. He doesn’t deserve a complete benefit of the doubt, but minus any further evidence the worst place he exists is in “questionable” limbo.
No one has ever heard of masking agents? The cheaters are usually 2 steps ahead of the law, I say this as a track and field fan and former participant. Cycling, timing of doses, especially masking agents. MLB didn’t catch up for years and even now is still behind the cheaters.
Not legitimate at all at age FORTY even playing in that bandbox 38 HR and 58 2B, then retire “at the top of his game?”
The moment Ortiz got a plaque the HOF lost its legitimacy.
False positive. Is that like a phony upbeat persona while cameras are rolling? Cuz thats like ARod and Papi
@thornton
Mlb did nothing when astros cheated their way to a ws. The entire sport lost its legitimacy
chandler – yes, I didn’t like that either. Slippery slope MLB has been sliding down.
Then they embrace gambling and are shocked when something happens with a player involved.
But ortiz roided in Minnesota and he wasn’t a HOFer in Minnesota
Bonds didnt roid in Pittsburgh and the early SF years but then wins 4 extra mvps once he combined his plate discipline with his power
This
Bonds and Clemens were Hall Of Famers before they ever touched a steroid.
i was faithful to my wife before i ever touched another woman
So long as you wag your finger a la Raffy P.
Now reverse it. I was faithful to other women before I ever touched my wife. Ewww
Papi roided but gets rewarded for playing the role of chuckles cheese mascot clown on Fox TV. Maybe there’s hope for ARod yet since hes part of the yuk yuk fest. Meantime, Barry and Roger, also alleged offenders and much more deserving, not close. Hypocrisy much? Either let them all in or none in. Would similarly open the doors for Sammy and Mac since you can’t tell the story of that “contemporary era” without recounting that dinger chase.
My dumpster divin dawg Theo! Here’s a shirt.
@99etc They were extraordinarily talented potential HOFers. All the more of a shame they got into the PEDs. They hosed themselves as well as the public. The PEDs contributed to and contaminated their success by improving recovery time as well as building strength, which those decrying the supposed sanctimoniousness of their critics conveniently forget.
Another clown accepted into the circus
One of the best second basemen of all time. Far from a clown
You’re going to log on to Al Gores internet and say that you would rather have Jeff Kents career than David Ortiz?
When did David Ortiz play 2nd base?
October 14, 2013. Look it up
October 14 2013 was a day off between games 2 and 3 of the AL championship series between the Red Sox and Tigers.
David Ortiz did not play second base that day but please try again.
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Yep!
Clown or jack wagon? Purportedly not the nicest teammate who had that weird injury “washing his truck”. Not one for integrity. Yet here we are. Kent in, but 7 time MVP Bonds not.
Kent deserved it. Very interesting to see the results and how the committee members voted.
Delgado should be in the hall of fame.
Delgado would have been in the hall if he didn’t play in the 1990s-2000s
Congrats Jeff Kent! I loved watching you when you were an Astro you always had so much energy
After 2031 Bonds and Clemens are never going to be elected.
How pissed do you think Bonds is that Kent is in the Hall of Fame and he’s not?
Hopefully, very. I hope it consumes that @hole.
If I was bonds I would be extremely angry since at least bonds was a better clubhouse guy than Kent
Too bad for Carlos Delgado.
Oh good let in another ahole
A Survivor great! Hope he doesn’t injure himself washing his truck beforehand.
Wow only 6 votes for Dale and Don??? And Carlos 9… ??? Clueless… Bonds and Clemens not eligible for 6 more years…interesting..
Dale and Don should be in the hall I don’t know how Kent (hall of almost fame) gets in before them
Because when the voters and “stewards of the HOF” mouth the words “character, honor, and sportsmanship” as part of their voting criteria it means absolutely nothing to them.
Nashville…. Unless your name is Curt Schilling….
Kent absolutely deserves it.
But if Bonds and Clemens are being held out for cheating, Beltran must be held to that same standard
Beltran was never linked to steroids.
He was the mastermind of the trash can cheating scandal with the Astros. Cheating is cheating.
Steroids is personal gain trash can banging is for team gain
It’s different but I still believe Beltran is hall of fame
Completely respect your opinion M’s fan. I don’t think Bonds belongs, even as a Giants fan, and in hindsight, I’m glad we didn’t win our first SF title until he was gone. Nothing tainted those titles.
But the Astros cheating thing was so beyond the pale. It was a conspiracy to cheat, as an organization, during the game itself. And it’s not like it was just a couple bullpen scrubs. Worst of all, it gave already whiny Dodgers fans a completely legitimate reason to complain.
Beltran has hall of fame numbers. So does Bonds. Watching these various selection committees parse through different methods of cheating is, at the very least, a fascinating social experiment.
Congrats to Jeff! Hopefully, Lou Whitaker and Bobby Grich will be elected sooner than later!
Brave soul…. Lou is my #1 snub of position player all time… Dewey a close second…
The Hall is incomplete until it recognizes Bobby Grich. Imagine the earning power that guy has lost because he hasn’t been able to sign autographs with “Hall of Famer” attached for the last 30 years.
If Grich then Belanger?
I think this kicks open the door finally wide enough for the two of them (who should have already been in).
Kent lucks out that there aren’t any better no-PED candidates on the ballot. Very good hitter who got some nice counting stats mainly because he played forever. Terrible fielder. 55 bWAR in 17 seasons, which is really marginal. Basically a one dimensional player. Not a Hall player for me.
Luckily you didn’t have a vote.
Like Don Sutton who was like Wilbur Wood but just kept going another 8 seasons to slog his way to 300+ wins
Umpires can be in the hall but Barry Bonds cannot.
When will Angel Hernandez be inducted?
Angel will end up suing Cooperstown for not being included, book it.
Congratulations to a great man and I’d imagine a great family.
didn’t Babe Ruth break the Law during prohibition drinking ? Regularly. Legendarily. ?
No he did not. Consumption of alcohol was never prohibited. Prohibition actually prohibited the production, distribution and sale of alcohol.
…and being in the bag enhances your on-the-field performance…how?
Only having to play non athletic white dudes you’re whole career certainly does.
Ruth was technically a lawbreaker for most of his adult life, as he was a regular in brothels, all of which operated illegally. He knew all the girls and according to Creamer in his book, he’d sleep with each of them in the same night, as he didn’t want to leave any of them disappointed (he was the most famous man in America at the time). What a gentleman. That said, any attempt to compare a current HOF member’s alleged prior illegal activities to the known PED use of Bonds and Clemens is a strawman argument.
And Whitaker not even up for consideration, what a joke
And the earliest will be 2028.
About darn time.
What motivates a man to spend his time saying about another man “SURE…he lied and cheated, BUT…”
Guessing it’s some sort of moral kinship, but I’m willing to listen to other ideas.
“Sure…he lied and cheated..but” is whats said by a co-dependant man in a same s*x marriage. Thats all I got for you.
It’s shameful seeing Dale Murphy and Don Mattingly overlooked again.
They both deserve induction based on production and character.
You don’t get votes based on character.
No… but you get them taken away got sure!!!
That’s funny Dolemite. The shill who made the induction announcement tonight specifically said that “honor, character, and integrity” were considerations of the voters. You seem to be right though—-apparently they DON’T place any value on those “intangibles.”
Dude was my favorite firstbasemen playing second
Congrats to Jeff Kent.
However, I must admit he was fourth on my list. Then again, I watched and played during this era so what do I know. Really surprised other deserving players did not join him.
It was certainly a very full career playing on teams located on opposite sides of the country,east coast,west coast, south west to mid west to Canada.made his fortune and got a well deserved golden ticket.
Is it time to elect all the other comparable 2nd Basemen now?
Name one other than Lou Whitacre (sic).
Whitaker. Geez!
Bobby Grich on the Vets ballot, Chase Utley on the writer’s ballot.
Fernando passed over again? Terrible. 🙁
Jeff Kent getting this over Fernando is criminal
Come on now….Fernando had 4 good/great years. Is this what’s it’s come to now? A few good years?
Impact man. Just like Nomo should be in. Also, Fernando was hardly a slouch with his 41.4 WAR.
Thanks for the laugh. Thank God you don’t get a vote. The Hall has been watered down enough.
If they voted according to the actual induction criteria, Valenzuela would already be in.
BSLA
“If they voted according to the actual induction criteria, Valenzuela would already be in.”
“Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played”
Why is that?
Why is what?
If you asked any random Dodgers fan (who was born more than five minutes ago) to name the players who have made the greatest contributions to the LA Dodgers, I am certain that Fernando’s name would come up before Koufax, Drysdale, or Kershaw. The fact that he’s in that mix for every fan of the team should tell the HoF voters something about his contributions. But it never does. Why is that?
How Ironic. He was just inducted in the Armor All Truck Washing HOF last month. What a qwinky dink
He’s worthy but there are still so many good infielders on the outside looking in: Lou Whitaker. Buddy Bell. Bobby Grich. Even Toby Harrah has a case.
He should thank Harold Baines for lowering the bar.
Baines didn’t lower the bar. The HOF committee that voted him in did.
Baines induction is baseball’s version of ‘Jumping the Shark’.
That said, Frankie Frisch’s Veteran’s Committee cronyism abominations, make Baines inclusion completely palatable.
Baseball hall of fame jumped the shark long before Baines. They’re doing everything in their power to keep both the guy with the most hits and the most home runs out of the hall? And the guy with by far most cy young’s too.
Tom Brady had a ton of scandals in his career related to cheating, you think NFL is dumb enough to keep him out when he’s eligible in a couple years?
Keeping the best players out just makes the hall of fame meaningless, AND it keeps reminding the public “hey remember how we had a steroid issue”
Look at Pete rose. He was relevant and a continually talked about figure for years BECAUSE they wouldn’t let him in. If they’d just put these guys in, no one would talk about it anymore
I dont know how on earth the Top 2 received the top two votes. Had Dale Murphy sitting there #3. Time to end this and just say if you appear on this list let them in. What? Are they trying to space out Cooperstown schedule so they can keep selling hotel rooms. Youre a HOFer or not at this point. Whats the difference between this year or next on these guys. Yay or Nay them. Jeff Kent and no Sweet Lou even on the ballot. Let’s keep messing it up. Theres not much competition from circuses now for clown act entertainment – market is cornered.
One of the best hitting second baseman ever but nobody should’ve been considered before Dale Murphy and Steve Garvey.
leftcoaster: Oh, but they were. Too bad.
Kent was a good player but are we supposed to believe that it was just a coincidence that he found his power after becoming Bonds’ teammate in 1997?
Bonds and Kent hated each other and everyone sided with Bonds.
At least they made the right call on the overhyped-by-Braves-fans Dale Murphy.
Dale Murphy was a superstar. He started his career as a catcher and then moved to Center Field.
I think the dude won two MVP awards… what’s your problem?
NoNeckWilliams: I don’t believe he’s worthy of HOF enshrinement. Why is that a problem?
Because nobody cares what you think (feel).
NoNeckWilliams: And who cares what you think? What’s your problem?
I’m guessing you never watched him play.
leftcoaster: I’m guessing you have no idea how long I’ve been watching baseball and whom I’ve seen play.
Just because I saw a guy play doesn’t mean I have to think he belongs in the HOF.
I’m also guessing that you, for example, never watched Nolan Ryan pitch for the Mets.
I most certainly watched Ryan pitch for the Mets and remember the day he was traded to the Angels for Jim Fregosi. If you watched Murphy and Garvey play regularly you would agree they should be in the hall.
leftcoaster: I did but I don’t, and I saw both Garvey and Dick Allen play 3B for the Dodgers.
Sorry not sorry, and your condescension is uncalled for.
@Alfred: Maybe it’s “a problem” because you started your comment by taking that snide shot at Braves fans who feel Murphy deserves to get in. Saying that “you don’t believe he’s worthy of HOF enshrinement” is an opinion that you have a right to express. That shouldn’t bother anyone—Braves fan or not. The childish insult you fired off seems designed to pick a fight. Don’t get offended when somebody responds to you in kind.
No offense taken.
I think we’re passed the arguments on the HOF having enshrinement integrity. Dale Murphy meets the Harold Baines status
Dock_Elvis: The voters obviously disagree.
Obviously. I missed that, thanks.
Jeff Kent gets in and not Lou Whitaker??? Oy vey!!!
What about Grich. Joe Morgan and Seeet Lou were just as good.
DolemiteisMyname: Morgan is in.
Sounds about white.
the hall of very good strikes again. it’s all a money grab now
Dwight Evans had a better career.
Dwight Evans.
One of the greatest second basemen of all time. Should’ve been in long before now.
I would still take Lou Whitaker over Kent. Much higher WAR, much better fielder, and not a disruptive force in the clubhouse. Even the great Charlie Gehringer said Lou was better second baseman than him.
By what criteria? From Fangraphs using all qualified second basemen we him at WAR #20 all time. Their defensive metrics at #456 all time (not a typo).
So ok, Offensive metrics, there he ranks #11. A point can be made there as the ten above him, nine are in the Hall and one is active (Altuve). But let’s look at #12 on the list, Bobby Grich. Not a household name but when you look at the metrics it’s hard to argue he’s not better than Kent and I have yet to hear the outcry for Grich’s candidacy or an argument that he belongs on the list of greatest second basemen.
Honestly if Kent played outside of the steroid era and didn’t have a public animosity towards Bonds, one of baseball’s biggest “villains…” Would anyone really be calling him great? Just as players who were caught using steroids are being made the villains the ones who opposed them are being elevated as being better than what they actually were.
Kent was good. Very good. But that’s it and unfortunately the Hall is now for the Very Good. Not just the legends.
You don’t think being the 2oth best at a position… in 160 years.. makes you elite? Second base is woefully underrepresented in the hall.
Just as a comparison, by fWAR, Ken Griffey Jr. is the 19th best outfielder of all time. Mark McGwire is the 18th best 1B of all time. Clayton Kershaw is the 24th best pitcher of all time. Etc.
Just by definition there are three times as many outfielders than second basemen. Even more so with pitchers. Yes, being 19th of all outfielder is more impressive. Add in Griffey Jr WAS considered an elite star of the first half of the 90s.
By the way, Grich is 8th. Willie Randolph is 13th.
Sabermetric Acolyte: He only hit the most homers by a second baseman. Ever.
Too bad that’s not good enough for you.
So? Why should one stat when compared to one position be enough to qualify one as one of the best players. Not second basemen, all players.
Sabermetric Acolyte: If you feel the need to, you can nitpick any criterion you like. That way, you can move the goalposts to decide that nobody deserves to get in.
Remember when Barry Bonds head looked like a basketball with eyes? Remember when Jeff Kent made the Hall of Fame and Barry Bonds never did? Good times!
So, past users in the comm is blocking better players but only let a mediocre users in.
The Mets traded future CY David Cone for Jeff Kent future HOF fair trade with Toronto but then traded Jeff Kent to Cleveland for Carlos Baerga who was shot. Lol Mets
Murphy and Mattingly are never gonna get in and it’s a shame. Two of the biggest stars of the 80s whose numbers are better than players in the hall. The Hall should represent who the stars of their eras were, not just guys who stuck around forever compiling numbers. The NBA and NFL understand this better.
Good points, well said!
aLifetimeOfDefeats: The NFL seems to have lower standards and enshrines something like 10-12 guys every year.
Dale should be in
Harold Baines, a guy who never won an MVP nor was he a true superstar being in the HOF is the biggest argument for Dale Murphy. Murph’s peak was short, but he was one of the best players in baseball for 10 years before he completely fell off. The fact he won back to back MVPs and was a perennial All Star and one of the most popular players in the league should be reason enough to put him in.
That’s just whataboutism.
Oh wow! Pleasantly surprised by this. Other than Bonds and Clemens, this is the only guy I would have voted for. I thought for sure Mattingly was going to make it in this year.
The hypocrisy of the voters over the years is absurd, that Clemens, Bonds and A-Rod are all being treated as villains while others have been given a pass by those same voters.
Dodger Legend
Total double standard, no credibility until Clemens, Bonds, Grich, Lofton, Cano, A;-Rod, Rose, Rimirez, Nettles, Boyer, and Murphy!
The PED exclusions are so dumb, and always have been,
(1) Bonds, Clemens were clear 1st ballot hall of famers with or without steroids. Not having them in there diminishes the HoF.
(2) There’s lots of people in the HoF right now that have questions/whispers about possible steroid use around them, without it being as blatant as Bonds/Clemens/ARod, etc. but much lesser numbers (Bagwell, Biggio, Piazza, Ortiz, IRod) – an actual failed test in Ortiz’s case. IMO, those guys shouldn’t be in there either.
(3) Even if Kent wasn’t outright using, how much of his career numbers does he have to thank for batting right behind Bonds in the lineup most of his best years? Even if he wasn’t using, he benefited from Bonds’ usage, and if you’re going to exclude Bonds – he’s tainted too (not even mentioning the likelihood everyone in that SFG clubhouse was involved or at least knew).
(4) The bulk of these veteran’s committee voters are owners, and former GMs and players who were GMs and players during the steroid era, and would have damn well been aware what was going on. They were perfectly happy to turn the other cheek and profit from it when it was happening, and are being more than a little hypocritical playing the “holier than thou” card now.
As many have said before: it is the hall of FAME, not the Hall of Morals. Keeping out Bonds, ARod, Clemens while turning a blind eye to Ortiz has more to do with Big Papi being likable and those other guys being jerks than anything else, it seems.
Lifetime…. Thanks you get it… your friend Curt Schilling…
Jeff Kent 55.4 war
Lou Whitaker 75.1 war.
I don’t get it.
No further questions!!! Your witness…
Kent and no Mattingly? Who electrified the sport? Jeff kent never.
So longevity and not getting caught, over greatness and not doing whatever to stay on the field?
@GreatLiberator
Neither Kent, nor Mattingly are HOFers but the Hall of Fame is really about REMEMBERED greatness, not actual greatness. Mattingly really wasn’t remembered well enough by the voters compared to Kent. That’s how you have to think about it.
Mattingly is a HOF’r. There should be no doubts. I’d take him over almost half the guys who have made it. Dude was arguably the best player in baseball for 4 years. Name another player like that who is not in the hall and didn’t do steroids??
One more time Scott. Dale Murphy is the “another player like that who is not in the hall and didn’t do steroids” you can’t remember. Only he was “arguably” one of “the best players in baseball” for the entire 80’s—not just “for 4 years.”
You said 6 years up above. Which is it? 4 or 6? The actual number is zero by the way.
Wait- what the heck do you remember Kent for? Never THE guy on any team he was on
Literally my favorite 2b of all time.
Finally!
Great offensive player
Tough, clubhouse guy.
I looked at the MVP voting from 2000, and Kent had the fifth-highest WAR that year, behind Todd Helton, Andruw Jones, Randy Johnson, and Barry Bonds. Helton’s season was incredible—he led the NL in hits, RBIs, batting average, on-base percentage, slugging percentage, and OPS.
If voting were held today, it likely would have gone to Helton, as it seems writers now value WAR more than narrative, whereas Kent was likely awarded MVP for his performance as a second baseman in 2000 (which is also why Raleigh didn’t win it this year). Kent really cashed his checks during his time as a Giant, benefiting from seeing so many hittable pitches in front of Barry Bonds, and he likely learned a great deal during his tenure in San Francisco—experience that helped fuel the successful 17-year career he enjoyed.
He finished with over 2,400 hits, 377 home runs, more than 1,500 RBIs, and a .290 batting average across almost exactly 8,500 at-bats. Hall of Fame voting seems highly subjective, and it’s difficult to define exactly what qualifies a player for induction. Kent is arguably the best offensive second baseman the position has ever seen and was likely the top hitter at the position for nearly a decade. Hopefully, he’s wearing the black and orange in Cooperstown. 🖤🧡
Anyone else long for the days when HOF actually mattered?
Any museum who purposely keeps out the best contact hitter of all-time, the best power hitter of all-time, and the Pitcher with most Cy Young awards, has made itself irrelevant.
I don’t need some snobby group of writers to tell me which players should be celebrated. I saw Rose, Bonds, and Clemens play, and know they were better than guys like Jeff Kent.
Here’s what Google’s AI has to say about Kent’s defensive rep.
“Jeff Kent was generally considered an average to slightly above-average defensive second baseman throughout his career, known for consistency rather than flashiness. He was never an elite defender but worked hard to make himself a solid everyday player at the position.
Defensive Performance Summary:
Average Rating: Kent’s defense was often rated around the MLB average by analytical metrics. His career defensive Wins Above Replacement (dWAR) was near replacement level, but this was influenced by his play at an older age; during his prime, his dWAR was slightly above average.
Strengths: He possessed a strong arm (developed as a former shortstop) and was known for his toughness and skill in turning the double play, leading the National League in double plays turned in 2002. Teammates noted he was a reliable fielder who made the routine plays consistently.
Weaknesses: He had a reputation for having limited range compared to elite defenders like Roberto Alomar, and he led NL second basemen in errors multiple times early in his career.
Awards: Despite his consistent play, Kent never won a Gold Glove Award.
Reputation vs. Reality: There was a perception among some media that his defense was poor, but many former teammates and coaches felt he was better than his reputation suggested, a steady and reliable presence in the field.”
A I doesn’t have a vote. Sorry not sorry
Not a hof guy but, a good player
Hitting just before, or just after, Bonds made Kent better during his best years. Guilty by association!!!👨⚖️
Hall of Very Good for you …If it was my money
What the hell is wrong with baseball. Don Mattingly EASILY deserves to be in the hall of fame. It’s ridiculous and an out right crime!
Now it’s a crime when someone doesn’t get a participation award?
Nope. Mattingly was very good for six years. That isn’t enough.
Not saying Kent didn’t deserve it… Just saying there is no way he deserves it before Sweet Lou!!! Still scratching my head how he got overlooked for 10 years and now a few more times… what am I missing???
I’m sorry. Other than you Giant fans, I’ve never hear Kent’s name brought up as a HOF player. When it comes to 2B it’s
Grich
Morgan
Whitaker.
It’s a amazing how a guy name Bonds who hit 73 HR’s one year and has close to 800 lifetime HR’s is not in the HOF. But they put Baines in.
Grich, Wittaker and Lofton are the three biggest omissions right now in my opinion.
Those 3 plus Dwight Evans
It’s a joke. Grich’s WAR/PA is probably 20% higher, maybe more. Grich had a higher OPS+ and was 10x the fielder.
@Joe And if they do vote them in, it will be after they pass way
Bobby Grich, c’mon! Why doesn’t anyone mention Bill Buckner.
Ugh.
Bonds was never suspended for PEDs by MLB baseball and never failed an official MLB drug test.
Bonds batted against pitchers that were on steroids. It was a different time.
Victor Conte wanted to become a millionaire from selling his supplements at GNC and online to joe public and I and see why he wouldn’t want to tell Bonds exactly what he was giving him.
Its joke to not vote Bonds and the best guys in the HOF and before testing was implemented.
Bonds and these guys are just athletes… players in the game… if you don’t like that they did steroids blame BUD SELIG (who is the in the hall of fame by the way) for not implementing testing sooner!
Complete joke to see Jeff Kent go in and not Bonds. We all know who the better and more talented player was.
Eh, I’m having trouble believing Bonds was ignorant.
But other than that, I agree. MLB and MLBPA actively stopped any attempts to keep steroids out of the game. It was too good for marketing. Ken Burn went through a lot of this when he did his tenth inning documentary.
I was living in Missouri the year McGwire broke the home run record. That same year a St. Louis sportswriter broke a story about McGwire on whatever he was on. The guy basically got blackballed and vilified. One of the real kickers was the argument in favor of destroying the writer’s career was that what McGwire was on wasn’t a banned substance.
“Other than you Giant fans, I’ve never hear Kent’s name brought up as a HOF player.”
Yes, you are indeed sorry.
@Goob You don’t speak for me
Loved Lance Berkman’s response when he was asked if he thought Jeff Kent was a racist. “Racist? No, I don’t think so. He hates everyone equally.”
Very happy for Jeff Kent, well deserved but long overdue.
Now I can’t believe that Curt Schilling isn’t in the Hall yet–he really should have gotten in his first year of eligibility–and that Jim Edmonds fell off after the first try! Absurd and ridiculous for any fan watching the game from 93-94 on out, both were fantastic, even in the early years with the Phillies and Angels, respectively.
@Curt. Are you related to Jim? Big fan of his and always will be since his days with the Halos.
No, not related. Just a big fan, my favorite player ever along with Josh Donaldson, Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez. I loved watching him in his breakout year (’95 IIRC) with Anaheim. I know people mention Andruw Jones and Garry Maddox a lot as being the best CF ever, but for my money Edmonds was.
Willie Mays is the best CF ever.
Many talk about Bonds and Clemens. For years I was firmly against both being inducted. But my stance has been softening these past few years. The fact that several known roiders are already in–i.e. David Ortiz (I mean, come on, so freaking obvious), Ivan “only God knows” Rodriguez, Adrian Beltre (soooo obvious too), Mike Piazza (LOL!!!), Jeff Bagwell (LOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!), Craig Biggio, and Edgar Martinez–and that there are several others I have doubts about (e.g. Larry Walker, Trevor Hoffman, Jim Thome) leads me to think that it is highly unjust for Bonds, Clemens, Rafael Palmeiro and a few others to not be in already.
Bagwell didn’t do steroids, he did Creatine which was legal to use at the time. He’s openly admitted it.
NOBODY CARES but the very first player I saw on a field was Jeff Kent in 1993 at Shea Stadium at 7 years old
Now I can stump my baseball nerd buddies with a good trivia question.
What HOF second baseman was a silver slugger in 2005 with the Dodgers?
Dale Murphy robbed again. Maybe next time.
Good for him, it just goes to show that someone that’s a d!ck to teammates and the media can be successful in The Game. I’ll wager he’s a grumpy old man these days..
“I’ll wager he’s a grumpy old man these days.”
+++Aren’t we all?
I got to see both Mattingly and Murphy play through some random acts of fate. Bittersweet that neither are Hall of famers.
I’m glad Jeff Kent got in, saw him a lot when he went to Astros and dude could hit. That being said I really hate the “evangelical” baseball writers that have a say in this, just eff them.
Boy, does this suck…
Love how Bonds has double the war of like near half the hall and people act like a drug did all that like steroids are some kind of super soldier serum for baseball. Bonds pre steroids years with the Pirates are better than Kent’s career.
@ Dynamite I was thinking the same thing. You gotta Bonds some credit. How much of it is the player and how much of is it the steroids. MLB looked the other way when Mcwuire and Sosa were going at it in the late 90’s. In fact Bonds was jealous all the attention they were getting which led to him taking steroids.
Why is Fergie Jenkins even voting. He has a drug past too. He has none of the attributes he’s claiming that deserve induction.
The hall is a joke. You cant just keep out a whole generation of the game…and why doesn’t it matter? They allowed David Ortiz in the hall who admitted to steriod use. So why not Bonds and others? Its a joke. David Ortiz shouldt be in the hall if others are denied.
Guess you can be jerk but not take steroids get in. Dale murphy should have been bigger jerk like Kent. Murphy superior player not hint of steroids. Nice to see Delgado like Mcgriff finally getting some respect. Would be in If Yankee or dodger.
Murphy was a better player than Kent.
If only there was a laugh button.
Murphy w/more homers and 2 more MVP’s. He was also a great athlete who could field his position and steal bases. Laugh away.
Very Happy He’s In.
Looking more and more likely Bonds and Clemens are going to be after-their-death admissions. They’ve been anointed baseball’s villains and they’ve never come close to garnering the support they’ve needed from any group of voters. It is so incredibly stupid, baseball’s legends being treated like they personally f-ed everyone over. Who truly got cheated out of anything because of them? Some dead guys in records books, maybe a billionaire owner or two… Certainly not the fans.
Every player that played while they were playing. They took money out of the pockets of all clean players. In your terms they f-ed over every clean player. HOF players dislike cheaters more than any other group of voters and they showed that by Bonds and Clemens getting a lower percentage of votes this time around than the BBWAA writers gave them. They do not belong in the HOF.
I guess they just let anyone in now
A Hall without the two best players ever to play the game (Bonds, Clemens) is a ridiculous farce
Do you only play video game baseball?
He deserves it. Most hrs every for 2b. So he didn’t kiss butt like some of the other most recent double AA hofers. Big deal. Big papi and pudge both did roids. Im Sure a bunch other players in HOF did it too. Bonds and every one else like him also deserves TO BE IN. MLB knew they were juicing and did nothing bc of $. The gambler also got nothing recently and now is the faCe of MLB
So on the first night of the mlb Winter meetings we had more players inducted into the hall of fame… than trades or signings.
The yearly fresh hell. Some years are riper than others. This one is pretty ripe.
the HOF is a joke now….the standard has been lowered so that they can hold a ceremony every year. $$$$
Well deserved. Up next for 2B…Lou Whittaker!
The writers didn’t vote him in because he wouldn’t put up with their dumb questions. Don’t blame him.
What keeps the cheaters out is the ridiculous statistics that resulted from the PED cheating. If Stocks and Soso and Mac Wire had been happy to just improve their performance and not hit 17,512 home runs in 3 games, they might have been excused for their indiscretion. But they went completely off the deep end and that is a HUGE black mark on baseball, as bad as any black mark ever. Unforgivable for anyone who cares about the game. Yes, the Hall of Fame is a club. They’re not welcome. It’s not that hard to figure out.
Now the other clowns who monkey see monkey do like Randy Petite, Rocket Lunch, and many others are also out of the club. Boo hoo.
Hey, it’s not perfect because it’s mostly he said she said, but point the middle finger clearly at the yo-yos who went beyond the pail and kicked it.
Question for you. If you think peds make people way better than are. Why is that out of hundreds of guys that used only a handful of the players had great careers?
Congrats to Kent. He was a pain in the butt to watch as a Braves fan. It makes sense. He popularized the mustache, which has become an inspiration for the next generation. He was just ahead of his time….
I wasn’t expecting Delgado to get this much support but it leaves me hopeful he might get in next go around.
Considering Jeff’s personality, perhaps he should go in as Jeff Kunt
LOU WHITAKER !!!
(What a shame, Hall of Fame)
I love it when a bunch of old nerds freak out about HoF voting full well knowing the HoF has been an utter joke for a VERY long time.
He was always a toss of a coin, the sad thing is he’s only in there because he took a few bonds and Clemens votes as pretty much freebies but he’s in and fair play to the man he deserves it and congratulations 💚🍀💚
Queue all of the ‘Murphy deserves to be in!!!!!’ crybabies. About 5 years ago, they were the same ones whining about Gil Hodges not being elected.
While I don’t feel that Murphy or Mattingly are ‘true’ Hall of Famers, I feel that they almost have to be in with Baines getting elected.
It’s really a shame that Bonds, Clemens, and Sheffield didn’t elect as they got the Hall numbers in HR and K and Wins. Since you can’t determine exactly who wasn’t doing roids during that era and how much it helped them, you gotta elect everyone from that era with the numbers. Also a shame that Carlos Delgado will get in after guys like Mattingly and Murphy. Let’s just hope the writers don’t get it wrong and not elect Andruw Jones, A Rod, Manny, Vizquel, and Francisco Rodriguez. There are a few guys I am on the fence with in that ballot as well like Utley, Rollins, Wright, Pedroia, Pettite, Beltran, Felix, and Torii.
2 more yrs
Rose will finally be in (mlb intentionally waited for him to die, didnt want him to have the satisfaction of experiencing it while alive). And mayb shoeless joe will get in too
Good for Him. I always liked him for some reason, remember when he fractured his leg running to 1B? was gruesome.
What a joke. To let Kent in and continue the path to eliminate Bonds from consideration proves the HOF is a clown institution. If Beltran is voted in it’ll be icing on the cake.
Hall of False Decorum – Until yesterday, he wasn’t even the 1st or 2nd best 2B to be left out of the HOF
The folks who want Bonds & Clemens in the Hall probably want Lance Armstrong in the Cycling Hall of Fame (if there is one). Just doesn’t seem right to get rewarded for cheating, even if a lot of others were doing it. Ask players who weren’t shooting up what they think of those who were.
In no universe was Kent better than Carlos Delgado. His best years were hitting around the greatest hitter the game has seen. Juiced or not he was is whatever, not the point here. He never had a good season not surrounded by legit HOFers. Delgado anchored some pretty bad lineups to decent outcomes, at least statistically. And he didn’t likely take “something” to hang on. Plus like is there a more carried himself like a Hall of Famer then him? Stupid. Kent was good. Not as good as Utley, not as good as Phillips. Biggio is already in so why Kent? I lived his prime. He was a good fantasy player but nobody building a lineup or infield around him.
About time ‼️
Young players pay attention. If you somehow manage to survive “washing a truck”, you too can make the HOF.
Makes total sense that Bonds was left out, but they let in the guy they preferred to pitch to when they always intentionally walked Bonds.
Always heard he was a jerk.
Different contest.
We will soon see whether the BBWAA agree with this Committee’s selection. Chase Utley is on this year’s ballot and he was a better all around 2B than Kent. Likewise, ARod is on the ballot and he is in the same stratosphere as Ckemens and Bonds. Should be interesting.
Hahahaha….the HOF has truly become a joke. A career 56 WAR over 17 years is laughable to even mention his name for the HOF. He was a “good” player and was at his best during the steroid era. This just shows us that just about anybody with a good career is now considered a hall of famer.
This brings an interesting question.
Giancarlo Stanton may very well top 500 HR and his WAR may not get above 50 (very likely to be < 56). Is he a HOF?
Kent, yes. Now Bonds. He was great, greater than Jesus.
“Are you trying to say Jesus Christ can’t hit a curveball?”
Like Barry, he walked a lot. But on water.
“Let’s not start a holy war.”
Tom Berenger, lol.
Congrats to Jeff kent for making the HOF = I remember going to games to watch him play and there was no doubt he would make it one day. I’m shocked it took this long.
I’m absolutely SHOCKED that Dale Murphy, Don Mattingly only made the consideration roster. Both of those players have much better resumes’ than several of the other players of their class. I hope the writers will open their eyes, and weigh their professions , resumes’ and whatever else to get them in, especially like the no use of PEDS like players who was accused of using PEDS to better their career. (ex. Barry Bonds, and others)
Long overdue. Cheers to you Mr Kent.
Congrats to Jeff Kent Hall of Famer!
Now,do the right thing and vote in Lou Whitaker!
AI Overview
Will Lou Whitaker Join Alan Trammell in the Hall of Fame …
Jeff Kent was the superior offensive force, hitting far more homers and driving in more runs, leading all second basemen in HRs; however, Lou Whitaker was the better all-around player, excelling defensively (3 Gold Gloves vs. 0 for Kent) and accumulating significantly more WAR (75.1 vs. 55.4), making him arguably more valuable despite Kent’s offensive peak, especially for the Hall of Fame debate.
Jeff Kent (Offensive Powerhouse)
Batting: .290 avg, 377 HR, 1518 RBI, 123 OPS+ (7th among 2B post-integration).
Awards: 4x Silver Slugger, 20+ HR/90+ RBI seasons.
Defense: Generally poor; 0 Gold Gloves.
WAR: 55.4.
Lou Whitaker (All-Around Excellence)
Batting: .276 avg, 244 HR, 1084 RBI, 1386 Runs.
Awards: 5x All-Star, 3x Gold Glove, 4x Silver Slugger, AL Rookie of the Year.
Defense: Strong defender, 3 Gold Gloves.
WAR: 75.1 (highest among eligible non-HOF 2B besides Bonds/A-Rod/Clemens).
Key Takeaway
Kent’s power was legendary for a second baseman, but Whitaker’s superior defense and consistent high-level play made him a far more valuable player overall, as reflected in his much higher WAR and strong defensive resume, making him a classic Hall of Fame debate case
I can’t help but wonder how much it stings for Bonds that Kent is in now and he isn’t. Considering the relationship between those two when they were on the same team I would imagine it doesn’t feel great.
“There is some irony, therefore, in the fact that Kent is finally making it into Cooperstown while on the same Era Committee ballot as his former Giants teammate.”
This is not how you use “therefore.” It should be “there is therefore some irony in the fact that Kent is finally making it into Cooperstown while on the same Era Committee ballot as his former Giants teammate.”