The Mets will be in on Seattle ace Cliff Lee – that appears certain. Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that Omar Minaya has notified Jack Zduriencik of his interest, and the Mets are scouting Lee's starts.
Contrary to a Kevin Burkhardt report last night, Sherman says the Mets "would not need a negotiating window to sign Lee long-term even if it includes top prospect Jenrry Mejia in a package." However, between the injuries to potential trade chips Mejia and Angel Pagan and the ownership approval needed to pull the trigger, Minaya faces hurdles in acquiring Lee.
Sherman writes "the Mets have little interest" in Roy Oswalt and Fausto Carmona. Instead, Cubs southpaw Ted Lilly might head up their list of Lee alternatives. Lilly has been excellent since signing a four-year, $40MM deal with the Cubs in December of '06. The contract has about $6.4MM remaining. Though Lilly profiles as a Type A free agent after the season, an arbitration offer is in question. I doubt Lilly's limited no-trade provision will be an obstacle, as he's probably eager to return to the playoffs. The Cubs have about a month to decide whether to cash in their chips, and Lilly is their best one.
I’ve never thought much about Lilly. His ERA and peripherals have been good. I wonder how he’d do on a good team?
This pitching staff needs stability .. long term goal is to get Lee in there, maybe another back end of the rotation guy during the off season ..
Lilly always seems to pitch well against the Mets, the lion’s share of times that I’ve seen him. Cub fans might have a different opinion. Lee is the real play, for all the right reasons. Pagan is not a trade chip and Mejia is 20 years old and a stud, he can get MLB hitters out already and it will hurt to trade him but it may take him to get Lee.
Lilly would be a solid fit in Citi since hes such a flyball pitcher, but his peripherals and velocity have been down this year.
Lilly would be perfect for the Mets. He is a fierce competitor and he’s pitched for the Yankees already. That would be a pitcher they probably could get without giving up their best prospects.
Lilly would be perfect for the Mets. He is a fierce competitor and he’s pitched for the Yankees already. That would be a pitcher they probably could get without giving up their best prospects.
he was dreadful for the yankees… maybe he cant handle ny
he was dreadful for the yankees… maybe he cant handle ny
Why won’t the Mets shed some of the ridiculous payroll they have to add a couple pitchers? One isn’t going to be enough. They keep adding parts that make no sense and screwing themselves now.
I want to see the Mets acquire either Lee or Haren, but there’s a list of players I would not trade for either of them. Not on that list is Fernando Martinez.
the mets should give a apckage of b prospects to the mariners for lee
the mets should give a apckage of b prospects to the mariners for lee
mets get lee
marirners get fmart thole and holt
Mariners laugh and hang up.
Try including players who aren’t struggling/low on value right now.
How about:
Mets get lee
Mariners get mejia fmart and thole
Mets hang up the phone.
Are you kidding me??? why the hell would the mets not do that.
Thole = Luis castillo in catcher form
Fmart= always injured and is hitting 249 in AAA with almost double k’s to walks
Mejia = a lot of potential but will be replaced by mets first round pick Matt Harvey who scouts say could end up like Justin Verlander.
Mets hang up the phone.
How about:
Mets get lee
Mariners get mejia fmart and thole
mets get lee
marirners get fmart thole and holt
mets should trade thole fmart and holt for cliff lee
That’s probably not going to get it done if the Twins are in the game. Ramos alone has more value than F-Mart and Thole combined.
Not true. Thole’s been better than Ramos this season
Ramos: .296/.321/.407
Thole: .267/.353/.430
Next time do a little research so you don’t look stupid
No serious baseball person believes Thole is a better prospect than Ramos. And Jack Z is a serious baseball person. Throwing out the slash line du jour and calling it “research” hardly refutes that. Thole is considered a backup catcher at the major league level while Ramos has potential to be a good everyday starter. There really isn’t a comparison between the two.
Considering that all the “serious baseball people” had the Mets buried in fourth place in the division and the Nats anointed as the new team to beat, pardon me if I ignore the baseball people.
Considering that all the “serious baseball people” had the Mets buried in fourth place in the division and the Nats anointed as the new team to beat, pardon me if I ignore the baseball people.
No serious baseball person believes Thole is a better prospect than Ramos. And Jack Z is a serious baseball person. Throwing out the slash line du jour and calling it “research” hardly refutes that. Thole is considered a backup catcher at the major league level while Ramos has potential to be a good everyday starter. There really isn’t a comparison between the two.
Thole has little to no power… he is basically luis castillo in catcher form… but he has some value… a trade of mejia fmart thole and evans would get the job done
Thole has little to no power… he is basically luis castillo in catcher form… but he has some value… a trade of mejia fmart thole and evans would get the job done
Seems to me the Mariners would be better off keeping Lee and taking the picks. Usually, I think it’s better to go with proven prospects than draft picks. But the only think F-Mart has proven is that he’s injury prone and can hit homeruns in batting practice. Thole has proven he can make a nice backup catcher someday. No thanks if I’m the Ms. I’d take the compensation picks.
guys i hope you know holt has a 10 era in double a right now and has been sent down to single a where in his first start he gave up 7 runs… holt is not the chip the mariners want
guys i hope you know holt has a 10 era in double a right now and has been sent down to single a where in his first start he gave up 7 runs… holt is not the chip the mariners want
mets should trade thole fmart and holt for cliff lee
“The Cubs have about a month to decide whether to cash in their chips, and Lilly is their best one.”I think the Cubs decide that at the break. They should be back of the NL Central in double digits by that time. Although, I feel that decision is obvious and should plan on changes. For the Mets, unless they plan on signing Lee long term, I think they should focus on Lilly. He’s not Lee, but Lilly is a solid fit and not cost what Lee would cost. Clubhouse wise, Lilly is a professional. I don’t know what the Mets would offer for Lilly.
Whatever satisfaction I get from a Cubs win nowadays is mitigated by the thought that management might still believe it has a chance to make a run. It’s time to start getting what they can and giving some young players a chance. I particularly want to see Gorzelanny and Cashner in the starting rotation for the rest of the year.
“Whatever satisfaction I get from a Cubs win nowadays is mitigated by the thought that management might still believe it has a chance to make a run.”
I feel the same way. The last thing the Cubs need is a solid winning streak to make management feel they have a shot of something. I know the NL Central is up for grabs, but management needs to be honest about this team to move forward.
Whatever satisfaction I get from a Cubs win nowadays is mitigated by the thought that management might still believe it has a chance to make a run. It’s time to start getting what they can and giving some young players a chance. I particularly want to see Gorzelanny and Cashner in the starting rotation for the rest of the year.
“The Cubs have about a month to decide whether to cash in their chips, and Lilly is their best one.”I think the Cubs decide that at the break. They should be back of the NL Central in double digits by that time. Although, I feel that decision is obvious and should plan on changes. For the Mets, unless they plan on signing Lee long term, I think they should focus on Lilly. He’s not Lee, but Lilly is a solid fit and not cost what Lee would cost. Clubhouse wise, Lilly is a professional. I don’t know what the Mets would offer for Lilly.
Any reason the Mets aren’t also scouting Dan Haren? Noticed in an earlier post that a bunch of teams are looking at him… the Mets not included.
ill imagine that it would take 2of3(niese davis and mejia) and more
Any reason the Mets aren’t also scouting Dan Haren? Noticed in an earlier post that a bunch of teams are looking at him… the Mets not included.
I was wondering when teams would take a look at Lilly. His contract expires, he’s a Type A, he will come cheaper than Lee, and he has some playoff experience. It was probably just a matter of proving himself healthy. I don’t see the Cubs asking a whole lot in return. They’ll be motivated simply by opening up some roster spots for their own young players.
I was wondering when teams would take a look at Lilly. His contract expires, he’s a Type A, he will come cheaper than Lee, and he has some playoff experience. It was probably just a matter of proving himself healthy. I don’t see the Cubs asking a whole lot in return. They’ll be motivated simply by opening up some roster spots for their own young players.
I think the Mets should get Carmona and Lee.
Finally someone agrees the Mets need multiple arms. They could work a 3 team deal to get 2 arms without having to give up as much. They would need a window for Lee though, he’s too valuable for a rental.
the mets do not need multiple arms and getting both those two would probably completely destroy our farm system making 2011-2015 very dark years
the mets do not need multiple arms and getting both those two would probably completely destroy our farm system making 2011-2015 very dark years
I think the Mets should get Carmona and Lee.
i just can’t see any realistic trade proposal where the mets wouldn’t give up mejia.
their biggest trade piece is an injury proned outfielder in F-mart who wouldn’t bring much, if anything, by himeself.
hmm really fmart our biggest trade chip… why don’t u learn about the mets farm system because we have a guy in single a named wilmer flores projecting to be hanley ramirez in the eyes of scouts who have seen him..
hmm really fmart our biggest trade chip… why don’t u learn about the mets farm system because we have a guy in single a named wilmer flores projecting to be hanley ramirez in the eyes of scouts who have seen him..
The M’s need to find some bats for their future. Hardly any pop in the current lineup. And not much in the way of power in the minors. Their pitching has been good but they can’t score any runs. Mejia would be nice. But if they can’t score any runs for Lee it will be the same with Mejia.
I think mejia would be great for the mariners, but its too bad mets won’t trade ike davis. He is exactly what the mariners need for the future. The kid is already batting cleanup in his first year in the majors.
He’s batting cleanup because Bay has not provided the power and Beltran isn’t back yet, and Wright batting behind him is providing more opportunity for him to see pitches he can drive. Not to say Ike is bad, but there are more reasons to him batting 4th other than his talent.
The M’s do need bats. I think a trade of Wilmer Flores (the mets best hitting prospect) Josh Thole nick evans and jeuryes familia gets it done. mets get lee and keep mejia fmart and havens
The M’s do need bats. I think a trade of Wilmer Flores (the mets best hitting prospect) Josh Thole nick evans and jeuryes familia gets it done. mets get lee and keep mejia fmart and havens
The M’s need to find some bats for their future. Hardly any pop in the current lineup. And not much in the way of power in the minors. Their pitching has been good but they can’t score any runs. Mejia would be nice. But if they can’t score any runs for Lee it will be the same with Mejia.
I have liked Lilly for quite awhile, but I never expected him to be the type of pitcher the Mets would go after–you know, a good, steady one with little baggage.
If the Mets are serious about contending, especially in the second half, it would be wise to get both Lee and Lilly. A rotation of Santana, Lee, Lilly, Pelfrey, and Niese is a World Series-worthy staff.
it would be nice to have both of them but u need to realize how badly that would cripple our farm system.. for the first time in a long time the mets have a respectable farm (ranked 14th by espn). Destroying it now would be STUPID. I am a huge supporter of getting lee (or lily as a fall back) but both would be down right unneccessary
Again, it depends on what the Mets would have to give up.
Another aspect to consider: while it would be 100% smart for the Mets to re-sign Lee, if they let Lilly go, he’s a type A (so we’d get picks).
Again, it depends on what the Mets would have to give up.
Another aspect to consider: while it would be 100% smart for the Mets to re-sign Lee, if they let Lilly go, he’s a type A (so we’d get picks).
it would be nice to have both of them but u need to realize how badly that would cripple our farm system.. for the first time in a long time the mets have a respectable farm (ranked 14th by espn). Destroying it now would be STUPID. I am a huge supporter of getting lee (or lily as a fall back) but both would be down right unneccessary
I have liked Lilly for quite awhile, but I never expected him to be the type of pitcher the Mets would go after–you know, a good, steady one with little baggage.
If the Mets are serious about contending, especially in the second half, it would be wise to get both Lee and Lilly. A rotation of Santana, Lee, Lilly, Pelfrey, and Niese is a World Series-worthy staff.
Lee will be traded to the highest bidder and only be traded around allstar break when Jack Z ends his poker stance to see who shows the better deal for him and his teams future. Plus I think he wants to drive up Lee’s Market by having Lee in the allstar game.
Everyone knows Lee is a stud on the mound, but Lee is a rental pitcher and as such his value is decreasing as the clock tics.
in the playoffs teams really only need3 starters to go throughout the playoffs
If you are responding to “Moebar,” technically you are right, but his idea has some “insurance” added on. In theory Johan, Pelf, and Lilly (or Lee, of course) would make a fine playoff nucleus, but in reality it’s anybody’s guess how Johan will rebound from his recent spate of poor starts, and perform down the stretch. So hey, nothing wrong with factoring in that 4th arm – IF the team can afford it farm-wise….
I agree to a certain extent, but even if I did agree, would you rather have Johan, Lee, and Lilly or Johan, Pelfrey, and Niese?
I agree to a certain extent, but even if I did agree, would you rather have Johan, Lee, and Lilly or Johan, Pelfrey, and Niese?
Wow, Seattle will get a better return than Roy Halladay? Thanks for the insight.