Saturday afternoon linkage…
- Bengie Molina has had an immediate impact in Texas, writes Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com.
- The Orioles won't sign Manny Machado before August 1st, Baltimore's director of scouting told Brittany Ghiroli of MLB.com (via Twitter).
- The Indians placed closer Kerry Wood on the disabled list with a blister on his right index finger according to MLB.com's Anthony Castrovince. The move is retroactive to July 12th, so unless he needs more than the 15 days off, Wood will be back just before the trade deadline.
- Meanwhile, ESPN's Buster Olney says Wood's actual trade deadline is August 31st, because he will clear waivers next month given the $4MM still owed to him this season (Twitter links).
- White Sox GM Kenny Williams often approaches his veteran players to get their opinions about potential moves, but he has not yet pulled Paul Konerko aside to discuss scenarios according to Joe Cowley of The Chicago Sun Times.
- Bernie Miklasz of The St. Louis Post-Dispatch says that Cardinals' GM John Mozeliak was well-deserving of his contract extension.
- In a video on ESPN, Olney says the Yankees have determined that they would not trade catching prospect Jesus Montero for any player available on the trade market. They were willing to move him for Cliff Lee because it was a special case.
I can’t imagine the White Sox not resigning Konerko, I would be pissed if they did not
The Indians placed closer Kerry Wood on the disabled list with a blister on his right index finger according to MLB.com’s Anthony Castrovince. The move is retroactive to July 12th, so unless he needs more than the 15 days off, Wood will be back just before the trade deadline.
you do realize today is July 17th right?
12+15=27. He’ll be available. Even if for some reason they keep him on the DL he could easily get through waivers for a waiver trade.
Look up what retroactive means.
Look up what retroactive means.
The yanks will not trade Montero for anyone… but they will for the right player. Is that like saying he’s available for an elite player?
No player should be “untouchable” if a good deal comes along a team should pull the trigger on a trade. The only player you might label as “untouchable” would be Strausberg, but even he could be had for the right price.
Right price being Pujols… Please nobody take that seriously. But yeah, a young power pitcher who’s under team control for 6 more years, Strausberg’s trade value is probably the highest of MLB players right now.
Yeah agreed the price would be steep, but they would still accept a trade if they got enough. Any good GM should be doing his due diligence and looking at all possibilities to make his team better. The whole “untouchable” crap is stupid to say. nobody is “untouchable.”
Every team has a least one player that they wouldn’t trade for anyone. For instance David Price and Jon Lester have to be considered 2 of the most valuable players in the AL. They are untouchable in a sense that any GM can’t just pick up a phone and say “what do you want for Price/Lester.” On the other hand if Pujols goes on the market and the Cards insist from the Rays or Red Sox that Price or Lester has to be invovled… then there would be some debate. Though in both cases I’d say no, especially with Price. So yeah, untouchable kinda does exist.
Not to disrespect you, but Ubaldo Jimenez is making 1.5 million a year for the next 4 years. Then he would be a Type A free agent after so I think I’d rather have Ubaldo.
Longoria is still the most untradeable player in baseball. They have team options until his age starts with a 3. Strasburg, Pujols, etc., aren’t close to that value to the team.
Hanley imo. But I dislike a bit Longoria until he hits .300 for an entire season. Right now I don’t see how he is more valuable than Ryan Zimmerman.
Hanley’s way up the list, but he’s not as much of a bargain. Longoria”s locked up downright cheaply until he’s 30. That makes him more valuable a commodity than players who are better than him. Plus, he’s a little younger than Zimmerman and has put up very similar numbers but against better competition, even if Zimmerman is a notch better defensively.
I understand your argument I just don’t like Longoria much and think he is a little overrated. I’m probably just a hater.
It’s big of you to admit it. Not joking.
It’s big of you to admit it. Not joking.
I understand your argument I just don’t like Longoria much and think he is a little overrated. I’m probably just a hater.
Hanley’s way up the list, but he’s not as much of a bargain. Longoria”s locked up downright cheaply until he’s 30. That makes him more valuable a commodity than players who are better than him. Plus, he’s a little younger than Zimmerman and has put up very similar numbers but against better competition, even if Zimmerman is a notch better defensively.
Hanley imo. But I dislike a bit Longoria until he hits .300 for an entire season. Right now I don’t see how he is more valuable than Ryan Zimmerman.
I always forget how ridiculously team friendly Longoria’s contract is.
didnt he also get it before he played like 10 games in the major leagues?
He signed it April 18, 2008, the year he debuted, so yeah he got it very early in his major league career. On the other hand the Rays only guaranteed 17.5MM, so even at the time of the deal it looked good.
didnt he also get it before he played like 10 games in the major leagues?
I always forget how ridiculously team friendly Longoria’s contract is.
Longoria is still the most untradeable player in baseball. They have team options until his age starts with a 3. Strasburg, Pujols, etc., aren’t close to that value to the team.
Oh Yankees… They get a good prospect and treat him like the second coming of Jesus… Remember a few years ago when Joba was supposed to be this amazing pitcher? Well how has that worked out so far? He couldn’t hack it as a starter so they moved him to the pen, and now that he is in the pen his ERA has ballooned to 5.79.. Montero is going to be the next letdown for the Evil Empire.
Jealousy…I love it.
Jealous of what? You can keep Montero. We have Posey, nuff said.
You said it FrodoNYY! Haters hating makes winning SO much sweeter! But be easy on him he’s a just a bitter Giants fan who hates on good teams because his team can only score 1 run a game.
In the immortal words of Billy Chapel: “I can always tell when I’m in New York”
It’s actually 4.38 runs per game.
And they have allowed only 3.67 runs per game.
It’s actually 4.38 runs per game.
And they have allowed only 3.67 runs per game.
Keep dreaming, Montero is going to be a star. Think a Miguel Cabrera/Mike Piazza-esque bat. Dude he’s only 20 and he’s put up monster numbers. At age 20 in Triple-A he got off to a slow start but lately he’s been mashing the ball. Most major league scouts are projecting him to hit 35-40 HRS in his prime. And also be easy on Joba, he’s had two bad years. Remember that Randy Johnson took many years to become “The Big Unit” and only started pitching well in his early late 20s/early 30s. Not all pitchers are GREAT from the beginning. Not that I’m comparing Joba to Johnson. But I expect Joba to regain his form sometime soon, he’s just lost his confidence.
And insulting the Yankees at this point in this season is ludicrous considering they have the best record in MLB.
Yankees>Everyone Else
Nobody insulted the Yankees.
Montero is a good prospect, but good prospects come and go. Projected statistics are just that, projected. He hasn’t hit hit more than 17 dingers in the minors.
When I say “Letdown” I mean a letdown by New York standards. If this kid doesn’t hit 35 a season he will be booed out of NY. The Yankees always rush their star prospects to the majors because of the NY media.
You can point to a few instances of success, but when it comes to pitchers labeled as “studs” there have been more flops than successes.
“You can point to a few instances of success, but when it comes to pitchers labeled as “studs” there have been more flops than successes.”
That’s true with every team though, so I don’t see why you’re pointing it out.
Montero1220 brought it up. I didn’t say that it wasn’t true of other teams.
Randy Johnson took time to develop due to the control problems and throwing motion repetition problems that comes with a person that tall. Really a different situation.
what sort of scouting credentials do you have exactly to say he is going to be a star?
He is an obviously biased Yankee fan and his screen name has montero in it. Sounds like an expert to me.
He is an obviously biased Yankee fan and his screen name has montero in it. Sounds like an expert to me.
what sort of scouting credentials do you have exactly to say he is going to be a star?
I’m not a Yankee hater even if I am a Red Sox fan but he is a little overrated (Like most Yankee and Red Sox prospects). For one his plate discipline is a little overrated and he likes to take wild hacks at the plate. Plus most of the predictions for how he will hit are just projections and he could go either way. Fangraphs put his career in question and their median outcome for his career at Paul Konerko which is a good player but not superstar and his highest outcome at Miguel Cabrera which obviously would be ideal. He has a chance to be great (though Miguel level may be a little generous) but he also has a chance to be just a good MLB player.
In NY good from this kid is a failure. They’ve talked him up so much he has to put up Cabrera numbers just to meet expectations.
No they would take the Konerko value from this kid. a .270 bat with 30+ HRs would be good for a DH, (which he will be).
for anyone to ever say someone tops out as miguel cabrera is a huge insult to miguel cabrera..many people fail to realize that miguel cabrera is really a once in an era (other than maybe pujols) player…he came into the majors at 19 years old and simply started raking with averages well above 300 and hitting for extreme power in a pitcher friendly park…he is still only a year older than david wright…miguel cabrera is an ELITE baseball talent that prospects cannot simply project to..as a met fan i have seen many comparisons to people developing into “miguel cabera types at the plate” (flores, martinez, etc.)..it simply is a comparison that can not be done..to be able to consistently hit at averages in the mid 300s with 40 homerun power is something that comes along hardly ever
I realize this and I don’t think he will be Miguel either that was just how fangraphs described him if everything went right with his progression and how his body filled.
i understand what you were saying completely..i just hardly think it is fair to anyone to make a cabrera type comparison for any prospect because i see it thrown around way too often..you never see “projects into a pujols type of bat at the plate”…many people just fail to realize that cabrera is that type of rare, elite talent at the plate
i understand what you were saying completely..i just hardly think it is fair to anyone to make a cabrera type comparison for any prospect because i see it thrown around way too often..you never see “projects into a pujols type of bat at the plate”…many people just fail to realize that cabrera is that type of rare, elite talent at the plate
for anyone to ever say someone tops out as miguel cabrera is a huge insult to miguel cabrera..many people fail to realize that miguel cabrera is really a once in an era (other than maybe pujols) player…he came into the majors at 19 years old and simply started raking with averages well above 300 and hitting for extreme power in a pitcher friendly park…he is still only a year older than david wright…miguel cabrera is an ELITE baseball talent that prospects cannot simply project to..as a met fan i have seen many comparisons to people developing into “miguel cabera types at the plate” (flores, martinez, etc.)..it simply is a comparison that can not be done..to be able to consistently hit at averages in the mid 300s with 40 homerun power is something that comes along hardly ever
Well, different pronunciation, but his name is Jesus. Coincidence? I am kidding by the way.
Well, different pronunciation, but his name is Jesus. Coincidence? I am kidding by the way.
Jesus Montero. Second coming of Jesus. I love it.
Jesus Montero. Second coming of Jesus. I love it.
Get off your high horse. Montero is seen as one of the five or seven best prospects left in baseball by pretty much everyone outside the Yankees. You really shouldn’t trade a prospect that good for anyone. It’s not treating him as the second coming. It’s treating him slightly less preciously than you would treat Domonic Brown or Mike Trout.
Yeah and Joba was in a Sports Illustrated article talking about the best young pitcher in the game. He was ranked higher than Ubaldo, Garza, Lester, Buchholz, Gallardo, Cain, Weaver, and even Phil Hughes.
Don’t believe me? Look for yourself
sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery…
I’m not saying Montero isn’t a good prospect, but he hasn’t done anything to warrant the kind of praise he is receiving.
Yes, he has. He ransacked HiA and Double-A as a 19-year old, and he’s starting to pick it up in Triple-A as a 20-year old, while scouts who’ve seen him say he’s an elite bat in the making. That’s something to warrant the praise.
The Sports Illustrated hype machine taking on the Joba story has nothing to do with Jesus Montero. Joba’s reputation was largely due to having an unsustainably good run when he first came to the majors. He could have a hall of fame career and still never be as good again as he was when he first came up.
Until he does something in the bigs it doesn’t mean jack.
Yeah and Joba was in a Sports Illustrated article talking about the best young pitcher in the game. He was ranked higher than Ubaldo, Garza, Lester, Buchholz, Gallardo, Cain, Weaver, and even Phil Hughes.
Don’t believe me? Look for yourself
sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery…
I’m not saying Montero isn’t a good prospect, but he hasn’t done anything to warrant the kind of praise he is receiving.
Get off your high horse. Montero is seen as one of the five or seven best prospects left in baseball by pretty much everyone outside the Yankees. You really shouldn’t trade a prospect that good for anyone. It’s not treating him as the second coming. It’s treating him slightly less preciously than you would treat Domonic Brown or Mike Trout.
Remember when Phil Hughes was supposed to be really good and… he is.
The point was that other players have had better careers than Joba has had and they didn’t receive half the hype Joba did. At the end of the day Montero is just a prospect, and he hasn’t done anything that matters yet. Yeah he might be the best power hitter in the game in a few years, but it’s just as likely he will be a flop.
Remember when Phil Hughes was supposed to be really good and… he is.
The point Olney is trying to make isn’t that Montero is untouchable. Its that there is no one available right now on the market that is worth his value. This is an important concept to grasp.
I mean there is a reason Montero is listed in the top 10 in almost every prospect rankings and those places have more credibility than your armchair opinion.
Doesn’t matter what a guy does in the minors.
“Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You’ll never make it to the bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you’ll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press’ll think you’re colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.” – Crash Davis
Until he does something in the bigs it doesn’t mean jack.
Brian Sabean, is that you?
Hahaha
oh Sabean… He’s MLB’s whipping boy. Nobody likes him. Giants fans dislike him as much as the rest of the league. I guess that’s what you get for making stupid decision after stupid decision.
The point Olney is trying to make isn’t that Montero is untouchable. Its that there is no one available right now on the market that is worth his value. This is an important concept to grasp.
I mean there is a reason Montero is listed in the top 10 in almost every prospect rankings and those places have more credibility than your armchair opinion.
Would the Yanks trade him for Dan Haren? He is awfully good despite some bad luck this year (BABIP .351/LOB or 69%/HR per FB 13%). His contract is decent too (2010: $8.25 million, 2011: $12.75 million, 2012: $12.75 million, 2013: $15.5 million club option ($3.5 million buyout). His home park in Arizona is a hitter’s dream too.
Nah, I don’t think they will actually. Their pitching staff consists of Sabathia, Pettitte, Hughes, Burnett, and Vazquez. Sabathia, Pettitte, and Hughes are not going to moved because of good performance. Vazquez has been pitching well lately, so he is not moving. Burnett, while he has not been stellar this season, has a very large salary, and I doubt they want to move him to the bullpen.
My guess is that they stand pat unless an injury occurs or Burnett doesn’t have any hope of pitching well for the remainder of the season.
I do think that Cliff Lee was the only exception to that rule, because he is (or was) the AL Cy Young leader this season.
Would the Yanks trade him for Dan Haren? He is awfully good despite some bad luck this year (BABIP .351/LOB or 69%/HR per FB 13%). His contract is decent too (2010: $8.25 million, 2011: $12.75 million, 2012: $12.75 million, 2013: $15.5 million club option ($3.5 million buyout). His home park in Arizona is a hitter’s dream too.
Wow….you people are morons and are completely missing the point. We can all sit here and question the future of any prospect, and even a guy like Straburg. No one can declare what Montero will do once he reaches the majors. All the article is saying is that the Yankee front office doesn’t feel that there isn’t any other player on the TRADE MARKET right now that they Yanks would feel compelled to offer Montero for in a trade. Meaning….if there isn’t an elite pitcher like Halladay and Lee then they wouldn’t offer him up. Now if for some strange reason a Felix Hernandez, Verlander or Jim Johnson became available then of course Montero would be on the table. There’s a 1% chance that would happen. Therefore, with the likes of Ted Lilly and Roy Oswalt being the best available, assume Montero will be a Yankee for the rest of the year.
Jim Johnson? Why would you trade Montero to the Orioles for a reliever?
Wow….you people are morons and are completely missing the point. We can all sit here and question the future of any prospect, and even a guy like Straburg. No one can declare what Montero will do once he reaches the majors. All the article is saying is that the Yankee front office doesn’t feel that there isn’t any other player on the TRADE MARKET right now that they Yanks would feel compelled to offer Montero for in a trade. Meaning….if there isn’t an elite pitcher like Halladay and Lee then they wouldn’t offer him up. Now if for some strange reason a Felix Hernandez, Verlander or Jim Johnson became available then of course Montero would be on the table. There’s a 1% chance that would happen. Therefore, with the likes of Ted Lilly and Roy Oswalt being the best available, assume Montero will be a Yankee for the rest of the year.