According to MLB.com's Scott Merkin, notable Chicago minor leaguers such as Jordan Danks, Tyler Flowers, Dan Hudson or Dayan Viciedo could possibly be dealt if the right acquisition becomes available. White Sox GM Kenny Williams spoke to the media on Wednesday and hinted that now that the Sox have played themselves back into contention, he wouldn't hesitate to trade part of the team's future for further success this season.
"Well, if there's an opportunity to win a World Series, you got to do what you got to do sometimes — within reason," Williams said. "But it's got to be, you have to have a real opportunity. I think we have an opportunity."
Chicago's apparent trading strategy, if they do indeed make a deal, would be to move largely unproven talents rather than players who have already had an impact in the majors. Merkin notes that the likes of Gordon Beckham, John Danks and Gavin Floyd are all but untouchable for the near future.
Of those prospects, a Flowers trade would probably have the most impact on Chicago's major league roster. It had been widely assumed that A.J. Pierzynski would be allowed to leave after his contract expires this winter, since Flowers would then step in behind the plate for the Sox in 2011. (Indeed, there were even rumors that Pierzynski would be traded before his ten-and-five rights kicked in on June 14.) If Flowers was dealt, however, the White Sox might well look to re-sign their veteran catcher over other soon-to-be free agents like John Buck or Bengie Molina.
In a separate piece, Merkin highlights how surprising it is that the Sox are now considered to be buyers at the trade deadline given that the club looked to be out of the race just a few weeks ago. Chicago has been linked to Adam Dunn and other left-handed bats, though Williams told Merkin that the team might also stand pat. Such a decision wouldn't sit well with the Chicago media and fanbase, but it's prudent of Williams to wait and see if his team really is as good as they've seemed of late before dealing a key prospect.
I’d like to see them get Dunn. Although he wouldn’t be a Cub it’d be nice to see a player that I’ve liked for a long time here in Chicago.
Absolutely, it would be prudent to wait a little while. No rush…yet. Let’s see how things shake out the next couple of weeks.
I’m also a little hesitant to go after Adam Dunn if he doesn’t think he’s a DH.
Wait, I’m confused…since when did caring what the Chicago media (or fanbase for that matter) thought, become important? I thought the whole goal was to win ball games? If it was a popularity contest, it would have been over years ago. Note to Kenny Williams: Go do what you think will help, regardless of what anyone else (including Ozzie Guillen) thinks.
I really hope they dont jump the gun on a deal and have it literally mean nothing, unless its a deal to block another team in the central Ie some how snagging Lee so the twins cant get him, But i agree they should wait a bit, maybe 2-3 weeks, unless they HAVE to do something. I would hate to see these top prospects get dealt and then the sox fall out of contention. I like the idea of getting dunn and splitting time with him and Konerko and juan pierre at DH/1st/and Left…But ONLY and i mean only if you can get a 72 hr window to get an extension, if there is no extension the no deal. Same thing goes for snaging Lee….give up Floyd+flowers+Jordan Danks+ another mid level prospect or two for Lee, but only if lees agree to at least a 3 year deal. Flowers steps in as their catcher they NEED, floyd is a good pitcher(better in that pitchers haven) and is cheap and a ton of upside…Danks could be a good out Fielder for them when they are done with bradley…or Flowers-Jordan Danks-torres for dunn, and again only if dunn gets the extension
Why would you get Cliff Lee? That makes no sense. He won’t sign an extension, he’s stated that he wants to test the market. You need offense, and that’s what Adam Dunn is. Plus teams just don’t give out those windows to negotiate.
Flowers diminished his value, Danks is a strikeout king and Torres is something the Nats have a lot of, those fringe guys that are close to making it but not quite. It’s going to have to be a deal based around Hudson from what Rizzo says. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s something like Hudson, Viciedo, and a mid-level guy.
it never makes no sense to get another ace on your staff first off…and i was only throwing the lee thing out there so it would block the twins from getting him…you dont know that he wouldnt sign an extension, it might take an over pay but there might be an extension he simply cant turn down..and the negotiation windows happen alot…in recent memory look at johan and halladay…big name pitchers and players like that tend to have negotiation windows in their deals to assure them money based off their current starts and to assume the team they are going to that they dont unload the farm for nothing in a few months
First off, who’s to say the Sox can pull together a deal for Lee. The Mariners are asking for two blue chip prospects, something that the Sox lack unless you include Beckham. Second of all, Lee has said multiple times that he wants to test the market. The Sox are not in a financial position to overpay for a guy that adds to a strength. That would be the reasoning for the Mariners not allowing a negotiation window.
As for Dunn, he is not a high profile player like Santana or Halladay. Why would the Nationals give up a window for negotiation that could completely shoot down their deal.
how is toresa fringe guy? he was up last year and had a bunch of very very good outings…the main reaosn he along with hudson didnt make the club this year is to get as much practice in with out starting the arb clock…..yes danks is a strike out king right now but, he is fast and is rated as + in terms of defence…something the nats could use if they are rebuilding plus he is young
He’s spent years in the Sox system and is almost 28. He’s not much of a big time prospect anymore. Especially to a team like the Nationals that have at least 3 of those guys in their system.
Cliff Lee? I agree with baseball52. The major concern here is our offense. The slash line coming out of our DH spot has been embarassing.
Kenny, don’t get ants in your pants. Please no “rent a player” deals that mortgage the future.
While adding someone like Dunn would be a clear upgrade from using Kotsay, it does conflict with the stated goal of being more athletic as Dunn is a slow slugger in the style of Jim Thome, who the Sox did not want back. Why not go for someone with less power like David DeJesus? While no speed demon his high average and OBP would be a nice addition.
kelly johnson, jose lopez, jose bautista, miggy tejada, scotty pods, etc…names that could be in the mix to be traded and should be looked at by the sox but dunn is not a bad idea at all, yes slower but his walks and power are a huge need…Yes we should have signed thome but ozzie thought this team was going to be alot better
Dunn BB% is down this year, but luckily he seems to be making up for it with a higher AVG.
Yeah DeJesus would be nice but we already have too many outfielders.
That’s been the stated goal since 2005.
Dunn would be nice. He’s typically high OBP. Game changing power from the left side. If their pitching put up their capable numbers they could win without much offense. That rotation is oenof the best around on paper.
That’s been the stated goal since 2005.
Dunn would be nice. He’s typically high OBP. Game changing power from the left side. If their pitching put up their capable numbers they could win without much offense. That rotation is oenof the best around on paper.
when he says Beckham, Danks and Floyd are all but untouchable, does he mean that they are untouchable or that they are not? That confused me
Adam Dunn for Andruw Jones, Sergio Santos, a lower level prospect, and Tyler Flowers. Good deal for both sides. -or-Adam LaRoache and Chris Snyder for Tyler Flowers and Scott Linebrink (or maybe Mark Teahan).Then, you would have to trade Ramon Castro away to teams like Brewers, Nationals, Mariners, or Cardinals.
Those deals are horrible! Dunn loves Washington and Washington loves Dunn, they have a perfect relationship. Rizzo stated that he wants above market value for Dunn. An old Andruw Jones does nothing for a Nationals team, who is basing their team on youth. Flowers completely demolished his value, he can’t hit this year. Santos is something they don’t need with Clippard and Storen taking up the back end of the bullpen.
Why would the Sox deal Santos for LaRoche and Snyder? They aren’t anything special. Snyder has been a defensive catcher his whole career and LaRoche is a journeyman slugger. Santos is the future of the Sox bullpen. Also, why would the D-Backs want to pickup Linebrink’s contract or Teahan in general.
i didn’t mean to put Santos in the second trade. and Laroache brings lefty power to the lineup. snyder, teahan, and linebrink all have bad contracts. one for one could work.
Why would you want Snyder though? Castro has done an amazing job.
agreed castro is a good back up catcher and with donnie lucy who was not bad at all for the sox and flower just about ready to be called up to see if he can hit MLB pitching there is no need for another catcher…besides if we were to trade santos to the Dbacks for anything it would be for kelly johnson or possibly with a package for haren
I doubt the Sox would go after Haren or Johnson. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to bounce out Beckham, nor does it make sense to improve an already stellar staff when you could be faced with offensive problems. Dunn and LaRoche fit nicely.
getting johnson would not bounce gordon out, johnson could either Dh and split time with gordon, or it could allow them to get rid of that waste of space mark teahan(this will go down as KW’s worst Gm deal ever) and move gordon back to 3rd where he simply looked more comfortable…I like dunn, i would take him over laroach i would love prince but i doubt thats even a thought…but i would also like them to take tiem on this give vicedio some time at DH and see how he does he might be pretty good there and a cheaper option then anything
Again, Dunn and LaRoche would be a better fill because they are actually good DH candidates.
also if you could go out and get haren and extend him for hudson and other top prospects then your rotation is haren-danks-peavy-buehrle-floyd…thats the only way i give hudson up is if we get another big time pitcher and locked up thats why i would go after haren
Hudson isn’t a big time pitcher. The kid is a projected 3rd-4th starter, 2nd starter would be a reach. He’s a nice prospect and has a high floor but his ceiling isn’t extremely high.
If you did get Haren, you wouldn’t need to extend him yet his contract goes until 2013.
Hudson isn’t a big time pitcher. The kid is a projected 3rd-4th starter, 2nd starter would be a reach. He’s a nice prospect and has a high floor but his ceiling isn’t extremely high.
If you did get Haren, you wouldn’t need to extend him yet his contract goes until 2013.
bad contract for bad contract. I hate Teahan as well.
this is just supposing. Castro is doing great this year. maybe after they get snyder they trade him to another team.
its not basketball you dont need to match contracts at all
GO GET PRINCE! Then lock him up, and let Paulie walk in 2011.
Prince brings power, attitude, and athleticism. The guy can steal a base and leg-out a triple. Amazing for his size. And in The Cell? Man…he’d keep the right field bleachers busy.
ok i would love this is the brewers were smart and realized they have their money invested n braun and should buy the farm with prince…Hudson+torres+flowers+vicedio+Jordan Danks+teahan(just to give them a mlb player to fill space)+cash for prince…lock prince up above market so he wont think about not signing…resign Konerko to DH resign AJ to catch with lucy backing him up, call up brent morell to play 3rd…good good team
Why would the Brewers do that?
Why would the Brewers do that?
Im constantly amazed by the trade suggestions some people come up with. Prince???…really???…does anyone know who his agent is? Does anyone with half a mind think that Boras will tell Prince to sign an extension prior to becoming a free agent? Unless hes totally blown away that is and that would mean Texiera money which isnt happening from the Sox. Sure…he would still be with the Sox next year but after that….he gone. And to totally deplete the farm system for an Prince is absolutely the wrong way to go. Id much rather keep Paulie than give up all of the remaining decent prospects and still watch Prince walk after next year.
As for Dunn…let the Nats keep him. Hes not worth Hudson straight up. Hes a rental and strikes out way too much.
There will be lots of DH types available within the next couple of weeks and they will be considerably cheaper than either Dunn or Prince. The available players may not be quite as good as those 2 but we wont have to totally drain the farm to get em. Maybe we will just have to take on their salaries and give up a mid level prospect.
Soooo what you want is Jose Guillen? Jose Guillen doesn’t win divisions. Princess Fielder won’t happen. Adam Dunn is a possibility. Adam LaRoche is a cheaper possibility.
If Jordan Danks counts as a top prospect for you, you’re in a bit of trouble. He looks great in a uniform and has a good family name, but he stopped hitting when he got to Double-A and they promoted him again anyway. Ryan Sweeney v. 2.0.
If Jordan Danks counts as a top prospect for you, you’re in a bit of trouble. He looks great in a uniform and has a good family name, but he stopped hitting when he got to Double-A and they promoted him again anyway. Ryan Sweeney v. 2.0.
Ok I am completely shocked that Kenny Williams would throw around those names as available players. I have seen Viciedo play 3rd since hes been called up. He is not that bad. Reports made it seem like he was a lumbering idiot without a clue. Clearly not the case. He is no worse than Aramis Ramirez. His bat will come around and in a few years he will be hitting 3rd or 4th in the lineup. Jordan Danks is still too young to give up and trade him away. He looked pretty good in the Arizona Fall League. Kenny knows this is the year 2010 right? Teams dont give their farm systems away for rent a players anymore ( Omar Minaya Im talking about you ). If you are going to give players away settle for the second tier players and stand firm with them. I think a fair value for Adam Dunn would be Daniel Hudson + Tyler Flowers + John Shelby + C.J. Retherford. If that doesnt do it toss in Carlos Torres but make sure they send back a fringe starter like Martis or someone like that to make up for the depth loss. I wonder out loud what it would take to pry Lance Berkman from the horrible Astros. Would this package of players suffice?
Also Im not on the same page as Mark Teahen being a total bust or bad signing. I do not however see him as the starting third baseman. He has experience playing all the positions at the big league level besides SS, C and pitcher. Why would we play him full time at a position that warrants at least 20-25 homeruns when Im not really sure he has ever hit that many. Before everyone starts with the Chone Figgins comments I know he played third without power but he was a specialty hitter with speed and base stealing ability.I say play Viciedo until he forces you to sit him and use Teahen in that LH utility role. Translation: buy Mark Kotsay a first class ticket to the land of Designated for Assignment.