The Rangers' Josh Hamilton won the American League MVP award today, the BBWAA announced. Miguel Cabrera, Robinson Cano, Jose Bautista, Paul Konerko, Evan Longoria, Carl Crawford, Joe Mauer, Adrian Beltre, and Delmon Young round out the top ten.
The Rangers' Josh Hamilton won the American League MVP award today, the BBWAA announced. Miguel Cabrera, Robinson Cano, Jose Bautista, Paul Konerko, Evan Longoria, Carl Crawford, Joe Mauer, Adrian Beltre, and Delmon Young round out the top ten.
man, miggy is always just falling short.
Next year, with that stacked Tigers lineup maybe he’ll finally get it!
The lineup is far from stacked, need a lot more help.
agreed not stacked, but the top half is very heavy with talent
um…what? Austin Jackson is due for regression after posting that K% and BABIP and pitchers get the book that he has no discipline or power. We’re talking about ONE above average bat in the lineup right now. Two IF VMart is catching not DHing. that isn’t near stacked. You’re talking about Miggy, VMart if he catches, and MAYBE Austin Jackson and a lot of dreck.
Victor Martinez def helps a lot!
Ya need another bat though. Who will bat 2nd? Who will bat 5th? Jackson, Sizemore/Rhymes?, Martinez, Cabrera…?
Yeah, baby…Congratulations to Josh Hamilton! GO RANGERS!!!
That guy gives new meaning to “one-man wrecking crew” for sure!!Congrats!
Grats to him and the rest!
Wow Cano snubbed! Hate the Yankees but he is solid!
Snubbed? How so?
Congratulation to Hamilton, he deserved it.
Hamilton did lead the Rangers to the post season…
Kinda–he was hurt an awful lot and they did win without him.
They had a more than healthy lead by the time he was injured. They still did well without him…but it is not as if anybody else was tearing it up in the West.
So was Cabrera, Bautista, Konerko, Longo….. Where are you getting at????
No he wasn’t. Hamilton deserved this award.
No he didnt. Cabrera is by far more valuable to any team then hamilton is
You’re looking at offensive numbers only. That is obvious. And that’s not what the MVP is about.
If you want to argue that 77 PAs put Cabrera over the top, fine, but an 8.0 WAR (Hamilton) >>> Cabrera’s 6.2 WAR.
Using Fangraphs WAR. Baseball reference has Hamilton behind Longoria, Choo, Cabrera, Cano and Beltre. I think 133 games of Josh Hamilton, who had a home OPS in a hitter friendly ballpark nearly 300 points above his road OPS was kind of a really terrible choice.
Criminal.
Miggy put up his numbers without any protection. Hamilton benefited from an A+ lineup.
I’ll also be the first to admit Mauer shouldn’t have been anywhere near the Top-10.
Hamilton played for the winning team though. If this was a Best Hitter in the AL, Cabrera wins by a million.
MVP = best hitter on a winning team?
Most Valuable Player. Where would the Rangers have been without Hamilton? Tigers still would have played the way they did. I wish Cabrera would win it one year (next year hopefully with V-Mart and Werth/Crawford) but Hamilton deserved it this year.
Tigers would be terrible without Miggy. Probably in the Royals/Indians range if not worse.
Rangers are probably still over .500 without Hamilton.
But not in the playoffs (maybe), I think was his point.
I agree with you TK. The tigers would be god awful is cabrera wasnt on the team. the rangers were so good they didnt even need hamilton for a month were still good. they had vlad and cruz. who did the tigers have?
gotta love how you assume the tigers will get one of werth and crawford….maybe…just maybe werth but crawford is going to the angles….for 3 reason 1 he is very very good friends with tori thus giving them an edge 2 they have more money than the tigers 3 they are a tad bit closer to competing then the tigers, there are a few more holes with the tigers
They did just fine without Hamilton the whole month of September. Not that valuable if he misses a whole month and the team doesn’t even notice.
Thats exactly what I have been saying! Miggy is a lot more valuable to the Tigers than Hamilton to the Rangers. Without Hamilton the Rangers would still probably win their division. The Tigers were 81-81 and without Miggy they would have probably had one of the worst records in baseball.
Yes, but by September they had the division locked up.
yeah when cabrera sprained his ankle that last week of the season the tigers wer BAD and yet hamilton misses a month and the rangers just kept winning
thats why this award is so stupid. if hamilton played for the mariners he wouldnt be in the top 5
Alright, so do you think CC should have won the Cy Young over Felix?
yes i actually thought cc should have won
Wow
Maybe if how stacked a teams lineup is ever comes into the MVP selection process, you’ll have a point, but right now you don’t.
Take Hamilton out of the lineup (like he was for much of the season), and Texas still does fine. That doesn’t make him a particularly critical player, IMHO.
Take Cabrera away and Detroit has a worse record than Baltimore.
luckily the award isn’t given based on hypotheticals
We’re you saying that last year when Mauer won it??and if you wanna go based on your theory, Take Bautista off the Jays and they are a way worse then Miggy off the tigersto me having a 85 win season, or having less wins then baltimore means nothing. If you didnt make the playoffs, you didnt make the playoffs.
Mauer was the one constant last year – and he had a monster season at a premiere position.
Hamilton had a great year, but not a monster year. If Hamilton played for Seattle, his performance would not have been sufficient to get him the award.
but if Mauer played for seattle in 2009 he would have??
Sorry dude, no argument here
Hamilton deserved it, they got this one right.
Yes, Joe would have.
A catcher who hits .365/.444/.587 is going to win it no matter what. That’s a monster season, and completely unprecedented for a catcher.
But a CF who hit .359/.411/.633 shouldn’t ?!?!? You are grasping at straws here.
If he was on a last place team it would go down as a monster season a 3rd in MVP voting. . As much as people say oh Miggy was on a bad lineup, you can say well Hamilton played in more important, stressful game.
hamilton did not deserve it they got it completely wrong. this was cabreras award
You would at least have a little credibility if you presented a sound argument as to why you think that. Give it a shot.
The guy led the MLB in OPS (Exceedeing Mauer’s totals from last year, no less, and he only had five less at bats) and put up phenomenal defensive numbers, and not even from a corner positon, but from center field! His numbers this year would be considered elite from a first baseman, as a center fielder, I’d love to know what you’d consider “monster.”
You are showing an extreme amount of bias here.
Surround a beer league softball player with Vlad, Cruz, Kinsler, and Andrus, and they could put up .300/.350/.500.
I’m just hung up on the fact that Hamilton was a cog in a monster lineup, and I’m not confident he was invaluable to the Rangers, nor could he have done anything like that for a lesser lineup.
Notsureifs already cleared this point up. It is not just a measure of value to a specific team. If that were the case, then whoever is the star on a bad team would win most years.
is this serious? vlad tanked in the 2nd half. and despite your persistent belief that hamilton was injured the whole year….kinsler and cruz were the ones who were injured. This team goes NOWHERE without josh hamilton. they wouldn’t have been a blip on the radar and oakland wins this race without going .500. wake up.
Wait! Hamilton didn’t have a monster year?
Just go by WAR then, Hamilton had Cabrera beat. get over it.
I see Miggy at 6.9 and Hamilton at 6.0….am I missing something? Do different sites do different WAR calculations?
Yes.
Defense, defense, defense! Yay!
Miggy carried the bigger stick, but Hamilton was the full package this year. The BBWAA is on an absolute roll.
That’s a fair way to look at it. Defense had to factor big. You just gotta feel for Miggy. He put up sick numbers without a lineup around him. There’s not anything more he could have done.
Miggy had a phenomenal year, I won’t deny it. That said, Hamilton had an overall better year and I think he deserved this award just a bit more.
Look at miggy’s first place votes. Clearly those who saw him most regarded him highest. He was the pujols of the AL.
Ill certainly admit I share that “tormented by him most” bias. He just struck fear when he came to the plate like no other.
Cabrera was also a butcher on defense at first base, while Hamilton played terrific defense at a premium position.
Protection theory is a myth anyway, unless it’s down to the Barry Bonds extreme where you’re intentionally walked over 100 times per season. Hamilton also saw Nelson Cruz and Ian Kinsler on the DL for significant portions of time, and had a basically useless Vlad Guerrero behind him in the second half.
Josh Hamilton was the best hitter in the AL this year, and even if you make the argument that Cabrera was better, the fact remains that he’d be more valuable to his team DH’ing than on the field. Hamilton makes his team better on both sides of the ball.
It’s a no contest between the two. Great season for Cabrera, but he’d have to blow Hamilton and everyone else out of the water offensively to win an MVP, because his glove is a negative impact on his club.
As a tiger fan, I saw first hand that “protection” isn’t a theory. When the Tigers were playing in Tampa Bay, Maggs and Inge and Guillen were already injured. Boesch was in a bad funk but was still hitting behind Cabrera due to lack of a better replacement. For three straight nights the tigers were either tied or were within 1 run late in the game and Cabrera came up to bat with 2 guys on and 2 outs. For 3 straight nights, they intentionally walked Cabrera to load the bases, and for 3 straight nights, Boesch struck out or flied out to end the threat. The tigers lost all of those games. BS that “protection” is just a theory. Saw it first hand.
Yeah, and teams intentionally walk Joe Mauer to get to Justin Morneau. It doesn’t mean they don’t think Morneau can hit. Plus, that bonus is shown in Cabrera’s OBP, which is a contributing factor to his MVP candidacy. Would a 3-run homer help more? Of course, but it’s not as if the walks are completely unreflected.
Good hitters get walked regardless of who’s behind them. Hell in 2008 Joe Maddon intentionally walked Josh Hamilton with the bases loaded in a 3-run game in the 9th inning.
Adrian Gonzalez still puts up MVP numbers with no one hitting around him in the lineup. Has Albert Pujols really suddenly elevated his game to unheard of levels because Matt Holliday is behind him? Joe Mauer hit .373/.447/.527 in the second half with Michael Cuddyer “protecting” him, and .293/.368/.424 in the first half when Justin Morneau was behind him having a better season than anyone in baseball.
Elite hitters — MVP level hitters — rake whether Adam Dunn or Adam Kennedy is hitting behind them.
If you think Cabrera is suddenly going to go off for 60 home runs and hit .390 now that Victor Martinez and probably another big bat will be behind him, good for you.
Miggy being walked 3 times in one series doesn’t mean there’s anything more to the “protection” theory. How many times do you think Josh Hamilton took 4 pitches that weren’t close to the zone while Vlad was busy putting up a .622 OPS in July or a .719 OPS in August?
Don’t cherry pick three isolated incidents and cite them as a reason why your hometown boy should be the MVP. Cabrera’s a great OFFENSIVE player, but he’s a dud in the field and plays the least important position there is. Hamilton played elite defense in center field this year, topped Cabrera in slugging, and is fully-deserving of the MVP award.
If the award were purely “best hitter,” I’d give you that Miguel should be neck and neck, but it’s not. Cabrera should already be DH’ing. Maybe when he trades in that slab of granite he calls a glove (-39.5 career UZR), he’ll be more strongly considered. Give him his Silver Slugger and call it a day.
I agree with you 100% and your a Twins fan. Miguel Cabrera is by far the best player in the AL. Cabrera had nobody in that lineup and he carried that team on his shoulders the whole season. Hamilton had a stacked lineup. This award should actually be about who was the most valuable to their team. Cabrera by BY FAR more valuable to the Tigers than Hamilton to the Rangers. This award is just dumb. if the voters vote this way then they shouldnt even have the award
For christs sake, what do you guys not understand? This award is an individual award, not a team base award. The voters couldn’t care less if Julio Lugo was hitting being Cabrera. Stop whining and get a life.
For christs sake, what do you guys not understand? This award is an individual award, not a team base award. The voters couldn’t care less if Julio Lugo was hitting being Cabrera. Stop whining and get a life.
Congrats, Big Hammer. It’s an amazing story how this guy got his life together… I can only imagine how his career would be if it wasn’t sidelined by distractions.
Either way, congrats to a great player winning the award. He deserves it and I just hope he stays healthy and on track.
Good choice. This was a good season for awards except gold gloves.
Hamilton missed almost 1/5 of the season.
Yet he still led the entire MLB in WAR (Which accounts for missed time).
BBWAA got it all right this year (not counting the SS+GG).
(Which they don’t vote for, so I’m not sure who logically would)
Too bad for Robbie, but Hamilton played like a beast this year and it’s a cap to a great season for him and the Rangers. Got to give the guy credit for a rough professional baseball career that’s led him to quite a few awards this season. I hope Robbie gets it one year though!
The only problem I have with this is while Hamilton put up monster numbers he didn’t do it for a whole year while guys like mcab and cano played the whole year. Hamilton could have had a horrible September. I think missing a month isn’t being most valuable. But congrats to Josh, he really has his life in order now.
He still outproduced them despite missing a month. Cano was brutal in September. The Yankees would have been better off had he missed that month. Cabrera played an easier position and put up about the same numbers as Hamilton. I’m guessing his team missing the playoffs played a role as well.
I would have liked to have seen Cano win, but even after missing a month Hamilton still bested him and Cano slumped big time towards the end of the season. He was on pace for a 35 HR/130 RBI and something like a .330 average season and ended up with much more human stats due to a horrible slump that put the kybosh on any chance he had at clinching MVP.
Nicely and reasonably put.
Cano in Sept/Oct: .294/.346/.412 w/ 3 hrs and 19 RBI. Not a lot of power but hardly brutal. And to top off I think he had the best month of all the Yankee hitters in Sept/Oct aside from Arod who hit .295/.375/.600 w/9 hrs.
Cano in September: .262/.304/.346
Ok. I said Sept/Oct. Sept .262/.304 and Oct 7 for 12 for a .583/.667 for a total line for Sept/Oct of .294/.346/.412
Maybe you should re-read my post then. I said he was brutal in September, not Sept/Oct. Furthermore, Sept/Oct is not 1 month.
Well deserved for Hamilton, congrats! Just think if he played 1 more month. His stats would have been sick.
There were a lot of MVP caliber seasons in 2010.
Yes.
Congrats Josh!!! definitely well deserved, they got it right!
I disagree with this. Cabrera and Cano are the better complete players, especially Cano. I was sure Cano had this in the bag considering he missed only 1 game, made 3 errors, 2 of which he was pegged with for other’s mistakes and frankly had numbers (less avg) that were superior to everyone else. By hey, what the hell do I know…
Congrats to Hamilton, but I think the two better players lost out this year.
You think Cabrera is a more complete player than Hamilton? Based on what?
Based on his being a DH masquerading as a below-average defensive first baseman?
Are you asking me that question? I don’t think Cabrera is a better all around player than Hamilton.
AHahahahahhaha no they are not.
Hamilton had better OPS than either of them. Had 32 homers in 571 PA while Cano had 29 in 696 PA, Miguel had 38 in 648 and just by offensive numbers, both Hamilton and Cabrera were better than Cano. The only one you could say was better than Cabrera was Hamilton… offensively speaking anyways.
Defensively, Cano is below average for most of his career and was slightly below average or average at best this year. Using errors to define defense is pretty lame, I’m guessing you think Jeter truly deserved that gold glove huh?
Hamilton meanwhile was solid in the outfield and posted a 7.9 UZR this season compared to Cano’s -0.6 and Cabrera -6.2.
Hamilton is the most valuable player and more complete than either. Was great offensively and defensively and led his team to the playoffs.
Dude…I will agree with you that Jeter is below avg defensively. Cano isn’t. I’ll challenge you thus. UZR says he’s below avg. Look at the components that make up UZR and then look at the statistical data. Cano leads all 2B in every defensive category. The whole basis of calling him below avg is based upon what someone “observes” which is then put into a formula. It’s funny how we don’t accept ppl who say “I watched x amount of games w/ my own eyes and he is ……” but yet isn’t that 1/4 of UZR relys on? And that 1/4th is what “allegedly” makes him below avg.Think outside the box dude.
He’s been negatives all seasons but 1 so you can’t really expect me to think he is actually good defensively.
And I’ve seen him play and he doesn’t have much range, average at best.
Ok you keep thinking that. He led all 2B in the MAJORS in Total Chances, Put outs, Assists and Double plays but I guess he’s just “lucky” to be in the right place at the right time.
UZR uses 4 components. 3/4 are pure statistics and Cano leads in all 3 categories. The 4th relys on someone watching a sample size of video tapes and saying “oh that was in his zone he should have had that” and then inserting those findings into a formula. UZR has him as below avg and Bill James has him as a top 5. And most of the year everyone praised him as being the best def 2B and much improved from 2007 and 2008. Ok…YOU go by UZR. I have enough sense to question something that seems completely inconsistent.
Also, UZR had Adam Dunn and Tex being practically the same defensively. I refuse to accept that.
AHahahahahhaha no they are not.
Hamilton had better OPS than either of them. Had 32 homers in 571 PA while Cano had 29 in 696 PA, Miguel had 38 in 648 and just by offensive numbers, both Hamilton and Cabrera were better than Cano. The only one you could say was better than Cabrera was Hamilton… offensively speaking anyways.
Defensively, Cano is below average for most of his career and was slightly below average or average at best this year. Using errors to define defense is pretty lame, I’m guessing you think Jeter truly deserved that gold glove huh?
Hamilton meanwhile was solid in the outfield and posted a 7.9 UZR this season compared to Cano’s -0.6 and Cabrera -6.2.
Hamilton is the most valuable player and more complete than either. Was great offensively and defensively and led his team to the playoffs.
I think Miguel Cabrera should of won it…without Cabrera that Tigers offense is horrific, without Hamilton the Rangers lineup is still pretty good.
So because Hamilton was on a good team he shouldn’t have won? I don’t get it.
No but Mvp stands for Most Valuable Player. I think that Cabrera was more valuable to his team than Hamilton was to his. The Tigers were 81-81, take Cabrera out and they would have had one of the worst records in baseball. However if you take Hamilton out of the Rangers lineup, they still probably win their divison. Therefore in terms of “most valuable” I say Cabrera was more valuable and should have won it.
Ya, but there is a difference between most valuable relative to a specific team and “most valuable” simpliciter. Obviously over the last decade the award has evolved into the latter. If it was the former, we would have to give the award to star players on the worst teams. For example, last year Grienke was probably more valuable for the Royals than Mauer was to the Twins. The twins would have still been decent, but the Royals would have bombed. Still, I (and many others) think Mauer deserved it.
I guess the MLB needs to carefully and clearly define each of the awards and what exactly the players receiving them are being awarded for…it would make it much easier for the voters. As of now I guess you can argue many different ways because what the award means is open to interpretation.
How is Bautista not even on 2 ballots? lol
He was on every ballot. As was Hamilton, Miggy and Cano.
For what it’s worth, he also posted a 10.8 UZR/150 in the OF this year. If this was most outstanding hitter, than Miggy may have won it. But it’s most outstanding PLAYER…and Miggy doesn’t play good defense. Oh, and the Rangers made the playoffs this year
So he won the MOP award?
He won the award as the most valuable player in the league. He demonstrated the most awesomeness as a baseball player. He was the MAP.
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Unbelievably poor decision. Miguel deserved that award in that black hole of a lineup and a huge stadium to boot. Josh Hamilton is good, but Miguel is much more deserving under the circumstances.
Josh Hamilton missed a month of the season and his team still did just fine. The most valuable player award is a joke. If Miggy were out for a full month the tigers might not have won a game.
Oh please…
I have to agree. Opposed to all the other awards handed out this off season, this is the one and only that doesn’t sit well with me. Granted Hamilton is a tremendous player, I just think Cabrera and Cano, especially Cano are the epitome of “complete player” I think MVP for the league and who I’d want on my fantasy team, I’d pick Cano 10 times out of 10. Yankee love aside, Cano was just dominating in every aspect of the game.
How is a guy who every defensive metric says should be a DH (Cabrera) a more “complete player” than Hamilton, who put up a higher OPS and better defensive numbers in a premium position? As usual, you’re talking out of the wrong end.
“Yankee love aside”
I find that to be a bit hard to believe…
I won’t argue that Cano had a great season, but Hamilton put up better offensive numbers, accumulated more WAR in less time and played better defense in a harder position than Cano. There is no logical explanation as to why he deserved it more than Hamilton. Even Cabrera has that protection garbage as a “well maybe” excuse, but Cano was surrounded with All Stars.
Quoting Century “I have to agree. Opposed to all the other awards handed out this off season, this is the one and only that doesn’t sit well with me. ”
Your telling me Jeter winning a gold glove was ok with you, but Hamilton winning an MVP award doesn’t? WOW…
Jeter winning a gold glove is ok with you, but Hamilton winning MVP is not? WOW…
This is not the Silver Slugger award or award for best offensive player. This is the award for MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. And when you factor it all in, defensive metrics and offensive, you can’t even make an argument for anybody else. Josh Hamilton had everyone else blown away.
I’m receiving hate remarks regarding Detroit and will not accept any more notifications. You put Josh Hamilton in Miggy’s spot in Detroit’s lineup and I bet his numbers wouldn’t be anywhere close to what he had with the Rangers. I’ll go to my grave knowing Miguel Cabrera got robbed of the MVP. Like I said, put Josh in Detroit’s lineup and see where his numbers would have been. He probably would have had to go to rehab given the situation Miguel was in. Miguel Cabrera is MVP.
Completely discounting Hamilton’s defensive presence.
This is the only argument I’ve seen and it’s so flawed it sad. Put Miguel in the Ranger’s lineup and I guarantee he ends up beating his wife again.
so tried of the NY bias. Cano will have to hit .400 to ever win . He upped his game, replacing Matsui . He took over the 4 hole for A Rod when he was on the DL and the 3rd hole when Tex was injured. He won the silver slugger , the gold glove and was the starting 2th baseman at the All Star game , and he does not even get one first place vote ? That is disgusting
Yeah, something isn’t right about this particular case…Frankly, I considered Cano’s performance last season as perhaps the best in baseball and perhaps one of the best complete package performances I’ve seen in a decade. Yes, I view Cano as probably the #1 best player in baseball at this moment, even above Pujlos at this very moment.
Cano > Pujols?
Yankee fan much?
Good god man!
It’s Pujols and no, not even close.
Stop being such a homer.
It’s Pujols and no, not even close.
Stop being such a homer.
It is what it is, you know? Cano should be damn proud of his season and even though these writers (who somehow saw it fit to give Bautista a 1st place nod) didn’t think he was the American League MVP, he was certainly the MVP for us Yankee fans in our universe. Great season and let’s hope next year is equal, if not better for him!
“so tried of the NY bias.”
There is not enough internet lingo terminology to exhibit how hilarious this remark is when followed by the hilarity that is the rest of your post.
Oh no, a Yankee didn’t win an award! Stop the press!
hes also playing in the best lineup in the league. While his defensive stats he did himself, his offense is being inflated by the band box of a stadium he plays in and the A+ hitters around him. Hes a very good player, but don;t give me that there is an “Anti NY Bias”. Heck, MLB wants the Yanks to win because they make more money when they do. You guys have no idea how good you have it sometimes.
Again…no problem with Hamilton winning. Still amazed at the ridiculous arguements trying to disparage Cano’s worth.
Hamilton Home: .390/.438/.750 w/ 22 hrs in 254 AB
Hamilton Away: .327/.382/.512 w/ 12 hrs in 254 AB
Cano Home: .298/.360/.521 w/ 16 hrs in 309 AB
Cano Away: .341/.401/.546 w/ 13 hrs in 317 AB
Hamilton OBVIOUSLY benefited from a very hitter friendly ballpark. Cano was better WAY from the “bandbox”. Next stupid argurment against Cano please….
hmmm no JoBau love round these parts.
He got 1 more 1st place vote then he deserved.. He had a great season, but theres no reason to have an MVP come from a 4th place team.
Not sure it is that straight forward…I don’t think somebody should be precluded from winning an award just because they are on a 4th place team. That said, Jose did not provide an overwhelming enough case to beat out the more complete seasons had by Hamilton and probably Cabrera (minus the defense)
I look at it this way… If Jose wasn’t on the Jays this year, maybe they finish 4th still or maybe 5th… However if you take Hamilton off the Rangers, perhaps they don’t make the playoffs. Which is far more significant…
I don’t like the notion of the MVP coming from a good player on a bad team, not that the Jays were bad, but whether they win 85 games with Jbau, or 75 games without him really makes no difference in the grand scheme of things. Where as if texas win 95 games with Hamilton, and 89 without and missing the playoffs. Thats far more critical and more deserving of the MVP award.
I don’t understand how hamilton gets it over miggy or cano… lame. He probably won because of his “story”. Gimme a break.
Congrats to Paulie breaking the top 5 though. Great season.
No, he won because he was an overall better player than either of those two this season. Look past the HR and RBI columns…
Then why did Steve Howe and Doc Gooden not win multiple Cy Youngs?
Heck, Ron Washington did coke and he he wasn’t even Mgr of the Year.
Congrats to Hamilton, well earned. I was surprised Cano finished 4th but that don’t matter much. Appears there is 1 dumb writer though in Toronto who is completely biased and gave Cito Gastin a 1st place vote for Manager of the Year, and Jose Bautista a 1st place vote for MVP. I have no doubt in my mind it’s the same writer.
It couldn’t have been a writer from Toronto because anyone who nominated Cito for manager of the year obviously didn’t follow they Jays.
Ha, just like it couldn’t have been a Pittsburgh writer who put 2 Pirate players on his ROTY ballot and left Heyward off. (Or Posey, 1 was left off)
What I said above wasn’t a serious statement. It was more a dig at the voter. Putting Tallet in all those high leverage situations requires a special genius that doesn’t usually translate into Manager of the Year votes.
it really wasn’t a Toronto writer though, In both instances.
Wow.. without hometown bias that decision is truly baffling unless someone really wants Cito to get into the HOF.
I think he thought he was voting for best mustache amongst managers.
Cito stands above the rest
They mentioned who it was then?
Just read online that it was. Shi Davidi of the Canadian Press voted Bautista first place.
I should correct myself, Cano finished 3rd, not 4th.
who’s the one ass that gave Bautista a 1st place vote? Cano didn’t even get one
Delmon Young? Nice bounce back season but 2.1 WAR doesn’t even get you in the door with the MVP discussion.
For those griping about Hamilton … please. Traditional stats loved him. Non-Traditional also loved him. Here are the WAR leaders for the AL for those curious:
— Hamilton – 8.1
— Beltre – 7.1
— Bautista – 6.9
— Longoria – 6.9
— Crawford – 6.9
— Cano – 6.4
— Cabrera – 6.2
— Choo – 5.6
— Gardner – 5.4
— Mauer – 5.1
WAR does take into consideration park adjustments, defense (using UZR), and position. While it isn’t the only stat to be used, it certainly is a decent one when discussing overall contributions over the course of a season.
Considering what Hamilton did in under 600 PA’s his season was just dominant.
WAR leaders from Fangraphs. Baseballreference has Hamilton behind Choo, Cabrera, Cano, Longoria and Beltre. I personally trust BR’s method a bit more.
who’s the one idiot who gave Bautista a 1st place vote? Cano didn’t even get one
I’m guessing that would be Rob Ford, who apparently loves Toronto.
It says right in the BBWAA article…
Bautista: Shi Davidi (TOR), Canadian Press.
While I agree that Bautista didn’t deserve a 1st place vote… either did Cano so I don’t really see your point
Congrats to Hamilton, very well deserved. How about Delmon Young finally figuring things out this year though?
He’s not done turning it around yet, still a bit to go, but it is nice to see him starting to. I don’t think he deserved any MVP votes though..
Josh Hamilton’s BYOG MVP party: Bring Your Own Gingerale Party
Miguel Cabrera put up above average numbers for a first basemen, but Center Fielders(part time) who OPS over 1.000 are once in a lifetime
Center fielders who play 772 innings in left field and 262 in center and are still called “center fielders” are once in a lifetime. Except that Jim Edmonds did it twice (to go along with a .994, .981, .974 and .946), Griffey did it four times, Brady Anderson did it once, Brian Giles played center field in 1999 and posted a 1.032 OPS. And, not to pile on, but Richard Hidalgo was the Astros center fielder in 2000. And those are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head!
I would bet the one guy who voted Hernandez 5th also voted Jimenez 4th in the NL. Something is wrong with those votes..
It sucks to be a Yankee player specially in the awards season. I guess CC would have an outside chance if he had 30 wins and 1.5 ERA. Or maybe the still the award would’ve gone to Felix since BBWAA are so into sabermetrics. Same case for Cano if he would’ve batted .400 and had 40 HRS and 0 Errors he might have got atleast 1 first place vote. Its a shame.
Please.
Yeah, how terrible – I’m sure they are crying themselves to sleep… or throwing around 100 dollars bills in the club.
Anyone else read this post and see red?
Nah, I just read that post and laugh hysterically.
Hahahahahahahahahah… Yankees fans are such whiner.
Please, Cano didn’t deserve it, ok? Get over it.
None of your Yankees players deserved the Gold Glove either.
Jeter’s Gold Glove is laughing at you.
There was no one who was more valuable to their team than Cabrera and that is exactly what the MVP is supposed to stand for. The rangers won without Hamilton and cano was a product of a stellar lineup.
Yet just another “blown call” to be rubbed in the faces of Detroit fans.
Bautista was probably more valuable to the Jays then Miggy was to the Tigers. .
Bautista was actually one of the most unclutch hitter on the Jays. He was their best hitter, but Vernon Wells was one of their best clutch hitters
Did you see how awful Bautista’s stats were with RISP and in close games?
Pretty sure Bautista was better than Wells in RISP. Well was quite crap actually but I don’t remember it all that well.
Show some numbers.
Show some numbers? Why sure.With RISP and 2 outBautista – .220/.370/.508Wells- .293/.406/.569Late and Close game averages (not sure how it’s defined, but it’s on B-R)Bautista- .230/.372/.504Wells- .301/.451/.518High LeverageBautista- .222/.368/.578Wells – .322/.376/.600
Wells was quite crap huh?
Yankee 1st half/2nd half
Cano: .336/.389/.556 vs .299/.371/.507
Arod: .269/.345/.481 vs .271/.335/.543
Tex: .254/.360/.465 vs ..259/.372/.502
Swish: .298/.377/.524 vs .276/.337/.496
Posada: .265/.373/.464 vs .230/.339/.444
Grandy: .240/.309/.409 vs .253/.338/.523
Cano led the team in OPS, OPS+, Hits, Total bases and IBB (+8 more than Tex who was 2nd w/8). He was primarily the #5 hitter and filled in as the #4 when Arod was hurt (26 games, .324/.400/.569 w/ 7 hr and 28 RBI). I would say Cano had a MVP caliber year inspite of his teammates and not because.
Still…Hamilton deserved it.
I originally thought Cabrera deserved it, but I didn’t think about defense until it was pointed out in here. It’s easy to forget, even though I love good defense.
Congrats to Josh, he really did deserve it.
David Ortiz got shafted, guys! Without him, the Red Sox probably would’ve finished in fourth place!
(Now do we see the slippery slope that idiotic logic puts us on? Are we done saying Cabrera deserved it more than Hamilton yet?)
lol
It’s not a team’s MVP, it’s the league’s MVP.
COngrats to Hamilton. He had a great season and it’s hard to argue with a .359/.411/.633 line w/ 32 hrs and great defense as a CF. I hope this can at least partially put the rest this idea of East COast Ny bias where we get the benefit of a doubt from voters.
I think Cano was definetly a worthwhile candidate for the award. I feel he’s been unfairly maligned by a UZR ratings that makes no sense when you cosider how he led all 2B in all tangible defensive data but was weighted down by an “eye ball” observation inserted into a mathematical formula.
I won’t bother with the “He should’ve at least gotten a more 1st place vote arguements” however, how the hell does Bautista get a 1st place vote over Cano?
Because HRs are a glamour stat.
Because HRs are a glamour stat.
Again, 700+ innings in left field, 250 innings in center. He was not a center fielder this season!
I disagree with this, as I think the Rangers without Hamilton still make the playoffs, just maybe not as soon but they win it in a weak AL west. Without Cabrera, the tigers loose over 100 games easy. But, I’m not surprised as the award is almost never given to a player on a non winning team (heck on ESPN they were saying that the AL MVP was going to be between Cano and Hamilton). Congrats to Hamilton though. He had a heck of a year and I’m glad he got it over Cano.
Matt Holliday in 2007Home: .376/.435/.722/1.157 58 extra base hitsRoad: .301/.374/.485/.860 34 extra base hitsJosh Hamilton in 2010Home: .390/.438/.750/1.188 49 extra base hitsRoad: .327/.382/.512/.894 26 extra base hitsBoth players would lead their teams to their first World Series in franchise history, with both teams losing the World Series. Rockies got swept, Rangers won 1 game. Not that the playoffs affect the vote.Both players were later named the LCS MVP.Amazing how one gets the MVP and the other loses it because of the stadium.
If someone had a Jimmy Rollins year in the AL this year, then you have an argument.. otherwise its just relative.
Um, based on the numbers you just posted, Josh Hamilton’s 2010 season was better than Matt Holliday’s 2007 season. Hamilton’s BA/OBP/SLG at home and BA/OBP/SLG away were higher than Holliday’s.
You have a terribly strange definition of “way higher”.
I thought I was in ESPN threads for a minute
Josh hamilton was the only constant the ranger lineup had all year. Anyone saying he was carried by his stellar lineup is wrong. i won’t say anything worse than that, they just didn’t watch 120 ranger games, just as i watched 0 detroit tiger games. First, hamilton was not hurt all year. he was hurt for 1 stretch when the rangers had a 9-10 game lead and they easily closed it out with the remaining parts of the lineup.getting to this point was all Josh. he sustained Freakishly amazing play for longer than ive ever seen a player do so. 400 against RH pitchers. cut it out. its been more than 20 years. vlad was worthless in the 2nd half of the season. Kinsler and Cruz both went to the DL multiple times in the 1st half of the season. While Josh always had some form of protection, this was not the juggernaut offensive lineup 1-9 everyone thinks it was for the whole season. Hamilton is one of the top 2-3 LFers in the game, and when crunch time comes and the rangers need as many big bats in the lineup as they can get, hamilton was more than adequate and often phenomenal in CF, with good jumps, good speed and a good arm. Fast too. Would steal a lot more if not for injury concerns, but i think the balls he gets to in the gaps, and scoring from 2nd on an infield ground-out illustrate the point just fine.watched 10 years of albert pujols in st. louis, and while he’s the best hitter I’ve ever seen, ive seen few, if any single season performances that approach the all around nature of Josh Hamilton’s 2010. He was unbelievable in every criteria I can apply. flame on, if need be.
congratulations josh.
It’s debatable on who had the better year between David Price and CC Sabathia, but for those who did not notice, Sabathia was put on 6 ballots, David Price was put on Zero ballots. Goes to show you Value is not all about the best stats.
Josh Hamilton on the road in 2010:
PA: 280
HR: 10
RBI: 43
BA/OBP/SLG: .327/.382/.512
At Home
PA: 291
HR: 22
RBI: 57
BA/OBP/SLG: .390/.438/.750
BBWAA has not yet learned about park factors outside of Colorado. Otherwise, Josh Hamilton would not have won this award.