The Marlins broke off contract talks with Dan Uggla and are now gauging potential trade interest in their second baseman according to MLB.com's Joe Frisaro. A source says the team is not confident they can sign Uggla long-term after he rejected a four-year contract that would have paid him $48MM.
Frisaro says the team has been "initiating and field calls" about the 30-year-old Uggla, and two unidentified National League clubs have expressed interest in addition to the Tigers. He adds that the Marlins have been asking for relief pitching return, and they're expected to have more discussions about Uggla at next week's General Manager Meetings. In his middle infielder buyer's guide at ESPN (Insider req'd), Keith Law said he'd "love to trade for one year of Uggla, especially a walk year, but I don't want to be on the hook for his age 34 or 35 seasons, by which point his defense will probably have moved him off second base."
Uggla is arbitration eligible for the final time this offseason, and will become a free agent after the 2011 season. He is likely to see his salary climb past $10MM after earning $7.8MM this year. Uggla is a .263/.349/.488 career hitter, clubbing no fewer than 27 homers in each of his five seasons as a big leaguer. He is one of just nine players to eclipse the 30-homer plateau in each of the last four years.
Great fit for a team looking for a solution at 3B over the next 4 years. Although I know the sticking point is he wants more years than that, if you think you can DH him for 2 why not put in the call. Sure he is sub-par at 2B, but at 3B he could be a great fit.
I would make a move and bring him to LF for the next year or two. Then I think hed be a good Chipper replacement.
I would say Cardinals, but the dont really need another right-handed bat
How many years in a row have they been trying to trade him now?
uh last year and this year.
It was a rhetorical question, but okay. In 2008, too.
mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/giants-discussi.html
Doesn’t mean the Fish were necessarily trying to trade Uggla, but he was available…
It was a rhetorical question, but okay. In 2008, too.
mlbtraderumors(dot)com/2008/10/giants-discussi.html
MLBTR doesn’t allow links, so replace the (dot) with a period, obviously.
Doesn’t mean the Fish were necessarily trying to trade Uggla, but he was available…
It was a rhetorical question, but okay. In 2008, too.
mlbtraderumors(dot)com/2008/10/giants-discussi.html
MLBTR doesn’t allow links, so replace the (dot) with a period, obviously.
Doesn’t mean the Fish were necessarily trying to trade Uggla, but he was available…
Mets should be all over this: Ruben Tejada, Bobby Parnell, Pedro Feliciano, Dillon Gee i think could get it done
Feliciano’s a FA and no, the rest will not get it done.
Agreed
Does Sergio Santos, and Brent Morel and another prospect get this deal done?
I don’t think the Marlins need a older pitcher. They just got Dustin Richardson yesterday, 27. The Marlins also have Dominguez coming up so we would have no use for Morel.
I think my deal I made up probably is a little on the weak side, but I think your wrong about Sergio Santos. He may be older, but at 27 with 5 years left of control and coming off a solid year in the MLB, I think the Marlins would be pretty interested in him.
Trade Jon Niese and Bobby Parnell and a draft pick for him and trade Castillo to an American League team and eat part of his contract this year. Then sign Uggla to a 5 year $60m
You can trade draft picks???
lol. Newb. Haha jk I’m not going to start bringing “newb” around the messageboard, but this isn’t the NFL.
Where does that leave the Mets rotation?!
Even without your draft pick trade, which can’t happen, thats a huge haul for Uggla. Niese is a very good young pitcher and Parnell was dominant last year. No way Alderson would do that.
That’s definitely not a huge haul for Uggla at all. He was worth 5 WAR last year. Niese is good but not great, and Parnell might’ve been dominant, but he is just a reliever.
Yea, but Niese is still 23. I think he can develop into a very good, cost controlled pitcher. I guess its not huge, as I didn’t realize how good Uggla was, but I think it would be a good deal for the Marlins.
This isnt football, you cant trade draft picks
thats an awful trade, they are counting on Niese this year to be their #3 without Santana and he improved a lot this year and was reliable all year long until the last 2 weeks, and you cant trade picks
ok didn’t know that about the draft pick, but still feel it would be good trade for a second baseman, what about Castillo for Zitto?
So they are trying to tell me the Marlins are having discussions with the Tigers. ( That worked last time right? ) And they want relief in return? Uggla will hit you 30 plus bombs and around 100 rbi’s. We better get one of the best young relivers available.
Here’s what I’m thinking…We are talking about a year of Uggla…Type A as well…
Tigers: Ryan Perry and Brayan Villareal…
Padres: Heath Bell
Twins: Anthony Slama and Kyle Waldrop
As a Tigers fan I would pass up Perry and Villareal for Uggla in a heartbeat.
He’d be a nice fit for the R-Sox. Third base for a year then sign AGON after 2011 and then we could shift Ug to LF.
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I think Uggla would be a great option for the Sox. I don’t think the sox are going to bring back beltre I think he’ll go to LA on a big contract. Theo seems to have a good relationship with the Marlins front office, I think a trade could be reached and he’d be cheaper then going to get Gonzalez or another bat.
Perhaps a fit for the red sox at 3B? Then maybe not since they just sent over Richardson…
What about Reese Havens, Parnell, Juan Urbina
I don’t think so ^
Urbina had a 5.03 ERA in the Gulf Coast League, and Havens is 23 in single A. Parnell is a good arm but I think the Marlins want to go younger.
so what do you think it would take?
I don’t think the Mets have what they are looking for. I don’t see why the Marlins are talking to the Tigers for. They have no great young arms that could be a reliever. I personally would trade for a young and good starter and eventually trade one of the starters we have now.
In that case you do want to talk to the Tigers though. They have some young starting talent lined up.
You like Runzler and Joaquin? Runzler might be able to start and Joaquin has a live arm. I know it would take more than these two but I think SF could put together a great pacakge for Uggla.
You think the DBacks would be interested? they drafted him
Fernando Salas, and Bryan Anderson?
way more than that. probably Jason Motte, Fernando Salas, Bryan Anderson, and maybe also need to add Adam Reifer or Casey Mulligan. it isn’t just uggla, its uggla+2 draft picks.
IF they do trade for Uggla,they will keep him for more than one year, i would take Motte away and throw in Freese and play uggla at third
i don’t want to pay uggla the 50million ish dollars he would get in free agency. Take him for the one year and say thanks for the memories. a 34/35 year old Uggla isn’t a good thing, his power will be declining and his already bad defense will be even worse.
Freese was supposed to be in my first post
Could he be a third base option for Boston if Beltre signs elsewhere? What about at first with Youkilis shifting to third? He is a dead pull hitter who could probably hit 45-50 HR in Fenway.
Uggla has been hesitant to move to 3b so far, maybe he gets a major payday and he moves, but as much as I like Uggla.. No way i would see anybody give him 5 years. he may have mis read the market, esp. for 2nd baseman, the major teams that spend are set there for years to come, with young guys no less and the top 3 in the game with Utley, Pedroia and Cano, with both Utley and Pedroa being premier glove guys to boot and uggla having serious range issues at 2nd.. The guy should have gotten over his pride a couple years back and moved to 3B, then established himself as a premier 3B about now, then had a market for himself, now he has a bit of a problem going into his FA season as aging (32) 2B that never had a lot of range, but made up for it by ‘cheating” with the pitch mostly and is going to have to try and cast himself as worth 5 years next season as a 2B worthy of 5/60? I just don’t see it, unless he is willing to move over later in his career.
Maybe he isn’t expecting more money. Maybe he just doesn’t want to sign in Florida long term. Can you blame him?
Look back at the one of the last positional playing Fish to get a large multi year contract not named Ramirez.. Gentleman name of Mike Lowell. They had to force Boston to take his bad contract along with Beckett in the Ramirez/Sanchez trade.
Luria does not like to give out his dollars very often and much less on players already 32YO.
On your point of not signing with the Fish? Possible, he and Cody Ross were close, so he could have some resentment lingering there, or he could also be wanting to play in a stadium where his power bat comes into play also, then that leaves Tiger Stadium out, also SF where it looks like his old friend Ross will stay as well.
If Uggla could somehow get his serious R/H pull power bat to Texas/Colorado/Arizona/Fenway/Philly/Cubs this guy would be a threat for 40HR a season and everyone would know who this 5’11 all muscle guy was.
Sure you can blame him. He would have a chance to play the rest of his career alongside Hanley Ramirez. He would also be on a team that generated excellent young talent like Logan Morrison and Mike Stanton. And the fact that they will be moving into a new ballpark in 2011. He has plenty of reasons to want to stay down here.
Sure you can blame him. He would have a chance to play the rest of his career alongside Hanley Ramirez. He would also be on a team that generated excellent young talent like Logan Morrison and Mike Stanton. And the fact that they will be moving into a new ballpark in 2011. He has plenty of reasons to want to stay down here.
i would think boggs, b. ryan/jay/craig, salas and maybe another minor league arm could get this done for the birds…
i don’t…. Their gonna want more quality BP arms, i’d say atleast one of Motte, K-Mac, or Eduardo Sanchez would have to be in their.
birds won’t give up hometown boy k-mac (i hope) or motte… they traded perez away with the thinking that motte was going to be our closer, so that would mean sanchez…
you have to give up something to get something. I’d rather keep Sanchez and deal Motte+Salas+Anderson.
you have to give up something to get something. I’d rather keep Sanchez and deal Motte+Salas+Anderson.
It seems like many think you can just throw Uggla at 3rd like throwing any player into LF.
Uggla is a below average 2B, but not a horrific defender. If he thinks his best value is in having a way above average bat at that position, I’m inclined to agree.
As for moving to another position, it would have to be one that Uggla thought he’d be average or better at playing. Otherwise, he’s killing his own value by going to a less important defensive position just to be a bad defender there.
I bet one of the interested teams is the Astros. They have stated they are looking for a power hitter and an upgrade at 2b or short. This would be a logical fit. The Astros also have money to spend this year, have a huge amount of good young relievers they could use for the trade to happen. That is about the only thing they have a supply of that they could use for trade bait. This seems like a prefect situation for both parties. They are probably also looking into Gordon Beckham.
Now this might be a long shot but the Cubs and Marlins seem to have good trade relationship. Now if the asking price is just relivers the cubs have plenty of young arms in there system. With many on control for the next couple of years, and are very cheap. Now i read earlyer that somebody said Uggla’ power would go up if he played in Wrigley. Now i think they would match up on the deal but the only problem would be were to put him? If he is intrested in playing a diffrent position would he consider 3b like so many have said or posably 1B? Now if the trade goes threw Uggla or Rameriz could play 3b and 1b. But that would be a shakey infield. But after this year Uggla could play 3b or 2b because DeWitt if flexable. just throwing it out there what does everyone think? Also i dout the marlins would trade uggla with in the division unless they were offered a deal they cant refuse.
Now this might be a long shot but the Cubs and Marlins seem to have good trade relationship. Now if the asking price is just relivers the cubs have plenty of young arms in there system. With many on control for the next couple of years, and are very cheap. Now i read earlyer that somebody said Uggla’ power would go up if he played in Wrigley. Now i think they would match up on the deal but the only problem would be were to put him? If he is intrested in playing a diffrent position would he consider 3b like so many have said or posably 1B? Now if the trade goes threw Uggla or Rameriz could play 3b and 1b. But that would be a shakey infield. But after this year Uggla could play 3b or 2b because DeWitt if flexable. just throwing it out there what does everyone think? Also i dout the marlins would trade uggla with in the division unless they were offered a deal they cant refuse.
Nobody is even discussing the possibility that this is still just posturing…
Nobody is even discussing the possibility that this is still just posturing…
Anyone think they could send him to Oakland and have play 3B? A’s could deffinetly give the fish a reliever or two. Jerry Blevins, Connor Breslow, Joey Devine maybe?
A’s recently claimed Edwin Encarnacion from the Jays. I don’t think they would go after Uggla after making that move.
Anyone think they could send him to Oakland and have play 3B? A’s could deffinetly give the fish a reliever or two. Jerry Blevins, Connor Breslow, Joey Devine maybe?
Uqqla for mike napoli
Uqqla for mike napoli
First off, as MisterMarlin says, this is posturing by the Marlins. Second, in the event it isn’t, don’t be surprised if one of the NL teams involved in any discussions about Uggla is San Francisco.
I was thinking the same thing. The Giants have the flexibility and the prospects to get a deal done. Even if Uggla wants to stay at second Freddy can play SS or 3rd. You think the Marlins would bite for a package centered around Pablo? There has been talks about the Panda falling out of favor. I know Pablo had a down season but his 09 season was ridiculous.
I’m thinking the Giants may be in on this for two reasons:
1. Ross has already talked with Uggla about the Giants; and
2. Unlike most teams, the Giants have the bullpen depth to meet the Marlins’ needs.
I don’t think the Giants would pull the trigger unless Uggla was willing to sign long term, and unless Uggla or Sanchez were OK with a move to 3B (they could then put DeRosa in LF for 2011 to play out his contract). But it’s possible they could think of packaging two relievers and another piece to land Uggla to hold down an infield position for the next 4-5 years.
100% agree Sabean has stated he isn’t looking for a rental player. I think as long as the Marlins aren’t asking for Sanchez or Bumgarner a deal can get done. Do you think Pablo and Runzler get a deal done for Uggla? Runzler was hurt this year but he has a huge upside and hey may even be able to start. If the Marlins want us to sweeten the pot I can see the Giants throwing Waldis Joaquin in the mix as well.
100% agree Sabean has stated he isn’t looking for a rental player. I think as long as the Marlins aren’t asking for Sanchez or Bumgarner a deal can get done. Do you think Pablo and Runzler get a deal done for Uggla? Runzler was hurt this year but he has a huge upside and hey may even be able to start. If the Marlins want us to sweeten the pot I can see the Giants throwing Waldis Joaquin in the mix as well.
Trading Pablo at this point would be an awful mistake on the Giants part. He had a down year, but if he is able to return even halfway to form he is far more valuable than uggla, considering he is under team control for four more years and at a much better price
I love the guy. I don’t want him to go anywhere, but he is falling out of favor with the front office. He is a great clubhouse guy and when he is on he is a great player. He needs to get his weight under control. it affected his defense this year. His offense was an issue this year but I’m not too concerned. He finished the year strong. I do think a deal can get done that doesn’t involve Pablo. We have a solid farm system and can offer the Fish a lot for Uggla.
I love the guy. I don’t want him to go anywhere, but he is falling out of favor with the front office. He is a great clubhouse guy and when he is on he is a great player. He needs to get his weight under control. it affected his defense this year. His offense was an issue this year but I’m not too concerned. He finished the year strong. I do think a deal can get done that doesn’t involve Pablo. We have a solid farm system and can offer the Fish a lot for Uggla.
I was thinking the same thing. The Giants have the flexibility and the prospects to get a deal done. Even if Uggla wants to stay at second Freddy can play SS or 3rd. You think the Marlins would bite for a package centered around Pablo? There has been talks about the Panda falling out of favor. I know Pablo had a down season but his 09 season was ridiculous.
First off, as MisterMarlin says, this is posturing by the Marlins. Second, in the event it isn’t, don’t be surprised if one of the NL teams involved in any discussions about Uggla is San Francisco.
The a’s just claimed EE so 3b base might be taken unless he is the Dh, even tho they have 5 outfielders. not to mention they have Kevin K. who they may cut or trade. The A’s might not have the room for him but the off season is still early. Not Uggla for Napoli might work if you wanna go aquire Reynalds from the D’Backs. They could get uggla at 2b and traid away one of h.kendrek or m.iturez in a package to the D’Backs. Then the angles would sign C.Crawford and the Angles would be happy campers.
The A’s have a few prospects and some of the people you mentioned could be thrown in on a package. Beane is looking at what SF did this year and thinking he can make a run. The A’s have a nice young rotation and solid defense. They just need an average offense to challenge the Rangers and Angels.
Like i said its still early and the a’s are very active right now.Pluse its baseball anything can happen.
Challenge the angels? WE WERE BETTER THAN THE ANGELS THIS YEAR
I dont see napoli plus another player(s) to the D-Backs for reynolds cuz the D-Backs have Montero who they really like. So maybe switch the trades by having the Angels trading Kendrick, and Iztures for Reynolds and then Napoli and Jepsen to the Marlins cuz it then gives the D-Backs good players and cuts the K’s a lot and gives the Marlins cathcing and a good bullpen guy who can be a closer one day. Its well balanced trades to both clubs and the Angels really benefit from it as both do the Marlins/D-Backs. Reynolds is cheaper and has better power then Beltre. Plus reynolds actually has really good defense and great power. Uggla has a little less defense then kendrick but destroyes him in offense. So if they Angels ditch Beltre or he resigns in Boston. I can see the Angels do this cheaper route. Just Angels need to sign Uggla into an extension so they can use him as DH down the road
Actually instead of Kendrick to D-Backs have it be Trumbo. Then you could use Kendrick to trade to a club that needs a 2b. In return trade Kendrick for a lead off guy or a qualitly left handed reliever and a prospect. Then Angels could just leave rivera as a Bench player. perfect offseason when they sign Crawford too =)
Actually instead of Kendrick to D-Backs have it be Trumbo. Then you could use Kendrick to trade to a club that needs a 2b. In return trade Kendrick for a lead off guy or a qualitly left handed reliever and a prospect. Then Angels could just leave rivera as a Bench player. perfect offseason when they sign Crawford too =)
I’d love to see Uggla as a Red, but there isn’t really a position for him. Maybe sign him to a deal and let him play LF next year, then play 2nd or 3rd if Rolen isn’t healthy or if Phillips is gone
Rockies? Iannetta or McKendry + Rogers + EYJr + Belisle/Morales?
would ryan peery and brian villarael be enough for the tigers to get him . and just throw oliver in on the side.
I’d rather not give up Oliver. I think he still has huge potential and is close to being major league ready. Just because he had a rough stint in his first trip to the majors doesn’t mean he has lost his prospect. I would consider Oliver to be the biggest loss in that deal, not just a throw in.
Spitballing here: Eric O’Flaherty, Stephen Marek, Cory Gearrin, and Brett Oberholtzer for Uggla.or just offer Venters, which I think is a little too high.
The jays should give him four years and throw him at third base. He’d be nice in the middle of their lineup.