Giants Discussing Uggla, Konerko And Lee?

Giants should definitely go after Uggla. He has tons of power, draws walks, is 28 and very unappreciated in Florida. His bat would fit in nicely in the Giants lineup; his defense would not be much of a problem. He would be a great fit in San Francisco. How about Uggla for Sanchez?

I agree, going for Uggla is not the worst idea in the world. If the Giants can get him to agree to sign a 5 year contract or something upon being traded, wouldn't that make up for the question of his arb years? I mean, to give him the security of a contract, and to give the Giants the security in knowing that they have him locked up and know exactly what they'll have to fork over every year.

This is just fan-dom (I know), but, if the Giants trade for Uggla, and somehow sign both Sabathia AND Texeira next season, then they're immediately (potentially) a first place team again.

Florida is just as much of a pitcher's park as Mays Field, right? So, persumably Uggla's power numbers shouldn't change that much, if at all. Might even improve. I would trade Sanchez for Uggla and another prospect. Hopefully they can pull that off. That is, if this option is actually there.

I could see one of Alderson or Bumgarner being the main piece in a package of players to Florida for Uggla.

trading cain for derrek lee or paul konerko is just plain stupid. Unless the giants want to continue to sign people who are at the end of there career and have diminishing numbers. Stupid.
Dan Uggla is decent, he has power number but is pretty weak on defense. I think that the Giants should have there eyes on Jimmy Rollins and Jorge Cantu. Otherwise they just need some middle relief pitchers

Bumgarner is too good to give up unless we are getting something HUGE in return.

I would love for the Giants to add two of the following:

Uggla
Fielder
Hardy
Tex
CC
Cantu
Encarnacion

G's have $$$ this offseason and Cain/Sanchez to trade for the right price.

Hopefully Sabes won't be kneejerk this offseason, although I think Neukom will keep an eye on the target.

Danny Uggla to SF and if somehow, could get a Matt Cain back in a larger deal including more young hitters the marlins have an abundance of and the Giants are in need of would be the greatest of hauls on the Marlins part, even if could also send them Kevin Gregg to use as a middle reliever/closer option and Mike Jacobs as a lefty power hitting 1st baseman, the Marlins have plenty of arbitration eligible players that come in much cheaper (and younger) than derek lee owed 26 million over the next 2 years and already at 33 years old.

As a Cubs fan myself, other Cubs fans need to realize that D. Lee is only going to be moved for another player of his type. The deal I keep coming to in my head is D. Lee to the Yankees for J. Damon and a low level prospect. The prospect is included only because Damon has had some injuries recently.
There is no way D. Lee is going to be moved for any young MLB ready starting pitcher. If he were moved for someone younger, it would have to be 2 B level prospects...and when you consider that, I think the Damon deal works out better. just my thoughts.

Just so everyone knows Dan Uggla was a better defensive player than Brian Roberts this past season.

i agree with uggla, i would love to have him, but lee and konerko no thanks. why trade cain for them when we could land fielder? say those do happen and we are able to sign cc this is what our line up would look like. not to shabby...

C Bengie Molina
3B Pablo Sandoval
SS Emmanuel Burriss
2B Dang Uggla
1B Prince Fielder
LF Fred Lewis
CF Aaron Rowand
RF Randy Winn

Rotation
Lincecum
Sabathia
Lowry
Zito

I don't think these 3 are good targets for the Giants, especially if Cain is involved. The only way I move Cain is for a good young hitter thats heads the package.

Cain for EE????

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I think any of those 3 vetrans would be a mistake for San Fransisco, especially if they could make a deal to get Fielder and Hardy or something along those lines. They aren't going to contend next year. At least young mlb ready players would allow them to get ready for '10.

Uggla's defense brings down his value so if they can get him cheap then go for it, but only then. Lee and Konerko are pointless to me in the Bay. Use Ishikawa or get someone like Swisher or Garko who they could have as a part of their team for a while without worrying about injuries or aging.

Irs77-
Yes I would play Ishikawa over sandoval. Sandoval does not walk plain and simple. I think he was on a real hot streak over this season an that babip will catch up real fast. I could be wrong but I don't think sandoval will keep hitting .330 every year.

Uggla's D isn't as terrible as everyone makes it out to be. No way Dan Uggla gets traded straight up for Jonathon Sanchez. But I do like the idea of trading like Uggla, Jacobs, Gregg for Cain. Marlins would have to add another SP or something but it would be worth it.

Johns beat me to it. Uggla isn't coming cheap people. Go tell me how many 2B can hit 30+ HR's? Maybe 2 or 3 including Uggla. Marlins should just trade like all their arbitration eligible players for Matt Cain. Like Scott Olsen, Dan Uggla, Kevin Gregg, Mike Jacobs.

SP Rotation:
Matt Cain
Ricky Nolasco
Josh Johnson
Chris Volstad
Anibal Sanchez / Andrew Miller

Line Up:

CF Cameron Maybin
C John Baker
SS Hanley Ramirez
1B Jorge Cantu
LF Josh Willingham
RF Jeremy Hermida
3B Dallas McPherson
2B Chris Coaghlin

Thats assuming they don't trade either Willingham or Hermida which both could be traded.

BarroidBonds
there is no way the marlins give up uggla, jacobs AND gregg for cain, let alone adding someone else. ur insane. they can eaisly trade jacobs to the yanks, angels, rays etc, remember, only 1 team gets tex. uggla could be had for cain and a mid-level prospect, on each side, and gregg is mediocre, but is still a young reliever, and who doesnt want another reliever?

Theres no way Uggla gets traded straight up for Cain. Either way Im saying the Marlins need Cain!

Barroid, the Marlins are the same team looking to deal Uggla because he's about to make 6 million in arbitration. Even though he's signed cheaply it's still about 2 million more then what the Marlins want to pay him next year, and going up. What they want is highly touted prospects with less then a year of service time. It's the same thing they want in every deal they make.

I don't think Uggla would be that bad of a choice if they could get him for the right price. He would certainly be the best choice of the three names mentioned. I don't think the Giants should give up good, young pitching - it's simply too hard to come by. Then, when you do come by it, there's no guarantee on durability.

Oh, and when discussing whether a particular move makes sense for the Giants, remember that it's Peter Magowan and Brian Sabean that you're talking about. The overwhelming majority of the decisions they make for that team don't make any sense. Just look at the Ghost of Rosters Past.

I just love how these writers engage in total speculation and everybody acts as if it is true. "San Francisco, desperate for a proven bat, is expected to pursue one-dimensional second baseman Dan Uggla. The Giants also may kick the tires on first baseman Paul Konerko of the White Sox and Derrek Lee of the Cubs, both of whom have full no-trade clauses..."

"is expected to"? Really, by whom? Sportswriters who rely on each other to peddle their rumors.

"may kick the tires." Sure, they might inquire, as will a bunch of other teams. But there is NO EVIDENCE OR SOURCES CITED giving any indication that they would give up anything of value for declining 1st basemen or that they've even asked.

The Giants have a new boss and he said they're gonna build thru the draft and international signings and strategic trading that will help in the mid/long run, not give up their best young players for past their prime players who would only help for a year or two at most.

Stop speculating and do some actual reporting. Jeez!

Repeat after me. The Giants will not trade Matt Cain.

I like Uggla, but I think he is massively overated. He has always been a big power, big K guy, and I think this year he just had a few huge months turn his season into a career year. He was a nice story in 2006, but still wasn't incredibly valuable. Provided some pop from 2B with no defense. Last season was similar, though it looked much worse because of his dip in BA. In 2008, he had an oustanding May and June, but his second half was a very pedestrian .225/.343/.396. Atleast his ability to draw a BB is getting better each year. But with his defense, combined with his completely hot/cold type of hitting, combined with a very weak second half, I am beginning to believe Uggla's May/June was a fluke and he is what he is. A .250/.330/.480 kind of guy who will K a ton and provide almost nothing in the field. He has some value, but I think Jon Sanchez should be enough. I dont even know if I trade Sanchez for Uggla if I am the Giants. No chance I move Cain for him.

The Giants will not trade Matt Cain unless the offer is absolutely knock-out. That offer is not Cain for Uggla, or Cain for Uggla+Gregg. And, I think the Marlins have plenty of MLB-ready starters and are aiming more at acquiring prospects, if I'm right.

However, in my opinion, there is no way the Giants contend without Matt Cain. You have Lincecum, an ace, then Sanchez, who looks like a 3-4, and Lowry, who knows how he will be after that surgery, Bumgarner/Alderson, who albeit promising, will still be working out rookie lumps in 2010/11 (Lincecum is a FA after 2011), and Zito (I think he can turn it around, but who knows). I don't see a major FA contract to a pitcher.

I'd focus on trading Sanchez, if I have to trade one starter.

I can honestly see Uggla in a Giants uniform. This would allow them to have an infield of 3B Frandsen, SS Burris, 2B Uggla, 1B Sandoval. With Velez and possibly Richie as utility infielders. Now what would the Marlins want? With Uggla approaching arbitration I can see the Giants making a package that doesnt include Sanchez or Cain. Winn, Sandoval, Velez, and even Molina are expendable.

He would be a bad GM for trading Konerko? I'm guessing KW won't lose sleep over your opinion of him.

Konerko is a fine 1B (exception this season). To somehow say that his value is such that trading him would be a negative for the team is absurd.

how about being brutually honest here

Sanchez doesnt make the marlins rotation. They have 6 starters with just as much potential and all in the same age group and 5 are better and Miller is going to be in the rotation no matter what.

So if the giants want Uggla they are going to be giving up some of their top prospects like Burmgarner (sp) and Alderson. That is what the marlins would want back. They would not want to move uggla for nothing they control the choice and market.

His defense is far better then what you all are giving credit for as well.

And no Matt cain doesnt make sense for the fish too expensive, even though a heck of a pitcher

Trading for Konerko or Lee would be a horrible idea. If you're willing to add those guys, why not keep Cain, and sign Teixeira? You would get much more production for only a couple more a year and get a much better defensive and younger 1B.

With that being said, I still don't think the Giants should acquire any of these 3 guys. Maybe Uggla if you can get him straight up for Sanchez only. But even then that leaves our rotation with only 3 starters. We would have to sign 2 average SP and probably pay them more than they are worth. And please, no comments about CC here. They just don't need to be spending that type of money this year.

I do however think they should go after Cantu. I think he could be had for much less than Sanchez. He's going to make more money and taking up a spot on their roster. If we can get him and only give up a couple of minor leaguers not named Alderson or Bumgarner, I'm all for it

I will re-iterate what most others have already stated: Cain will not be traded for any of the aforementioned players. Sanchez most likely won't be dealt either, except for the scenario involving Uggla. However, I do agree that Uggla is worth more than Sanchez, but I don't know how much considering the Marlins history of dealing away "expensive" players.

These two teams don't really match up, unless it is a Randy Winn or Bengie Molina deal that the Giants will eat most of their 09 salaries for legitimate prospects.

What has Sanchez proven? Nothing. The Giants would be getting a steal if they manage to turn Sanchez in to a good offensive player. D. Lee for Sanchez? The cubs would be stupid. Sanchez for Uggla? The Marlins can get more. People bash the Yankee fans for overrating their young players but talking about Sanchez and his career era of over 5 gets no bashing. I think every teams fan overrate their prospects.

Start wearing purple- Totally agree with you on Hughes, should of traded him for Johan when they had the chance.

Sanchez has huge promise nyyfan, even more then Matt Cain. He is second to Tim Lincecum for most exciting pitcher to watch on the Giants. He's a left handed pitcher who racks up K's consistently. He broke down at the end of this year but you have to remember he's a converted relief pitcher so with the heavy workload this was expected. With time and training he should be able to throw around 180 innings next year. The hitters never get to see the ball, his stuff is electric and he delivers the ball from a couple different arm angles. What Tim Lincecum is to Matt Cain is what Jonathan Sanchez is to Noah Lowry.

"sorry but that would leave us with no 3rd baseman and makes no sense for us. Plus we arent going to move Cantu for less then a good return."

You really think the Marlins will pay him the $4 mil or so he'll be getting in arbitration? Why would they pay him almost as much as Ramirez will be making?

Posted by: DawgFight24 | October 11, 2008 at 10:53 PM

because they hold him 1 more year then we see Matt dominguez is ready and if not we can hold him 2 more. If he does continue to show sustained sucess then his value would skyrocket in trade. He was the most consistent player upon the team this year overall and the marlins arent far off from the playoffs. With their rotation back to itself now that the injuries are past coupled with their good bats (and improving defense) they easily could contest next year for the NL East.

what about matt cain for kelly johnson and a decent prospect from atlanta?

55saveslives:Bumgarner is too good to give up unless we are getting something HUGE in return.

I would love for the Giants to add two of the following:

Uggla
Fielder
Hardy
Tex
CC
Cantu
Encarnacion

G's have $$$ this offseason and Cain/Sanchez to trade for the right price.

Hopefully Sabes won't be kneejerk this offseason, although I think Neukom will keep an eye on the target.

I definitely agree with this if they want to be a contender in 09

As much as Linecum and Cain might be under valued. Bumgarner is probably slightly over hyped, though I'll take heat for that.

Who would the Giants trade in your scenario that has them acquiring konerko, beltre and bedard?

The Giants are rebuilding just like the mariners, the long way.

Jimmywins1- Why would the Giants trade for Adrian Beltre, when Beltre will be an FA after the '09 season anyways, and the Giants probably won't contend in '09?

Giants need to get younger, not older.

It would be awesome for the Giants to trade Cain,Sanchez, Molina and Winn for marlins uggla jacobs, gregg,a grade B prospect. (we'll keep trying to shop olsen).
My lineup would be
1.Maybin CF
2.Baker 1B?
3.Ramirez SS
4.Cantu 3B
5.Coughlan 2B
6.Winn LF
7.Ross/Hermida RF
8.Molina C
9. Pitchers spot

Rotation
JJ
Nolasco
Cain
Volstad
Either Sanchez's

I checked both cain and sanchez's stats and most of the losses dont add up to bad pitching. It was just the lack of bullpen and run support. The marlins will be able to provide that due to their famous last minute combacks
power hitting. I could definitly see Cain and Sanchez as 17-5 or
15-8 with a 2.50-3.40 ERA. Both pitchers are talented in the art of strike outs and their rates are pretty well groomed. As For Molina and Winn, The Molina bros barley strike out and are situational hitters, Winn as well. This would be a completley incredible defensive and pitching upgrade for the fish. They will contend in 09. I wonder what else the marlins have in stored through the winter? What do you guys think?

I HATE THE MARLINS PUNNY PAYROLL!! DAMMIT WHY ARE YOU GUYS SO CHEAP!!

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your an ass.

cantu is not available. unless the giants overwhelmed then with a package like what they got from the cabrera-willis trade. which would be like sanchez, alderson, winn, grade b prospect pitcher(again)
also what is cain making? cause the marlins would take him if he cost more than 10mil.

Giants could prob get both Uggla and Jacobs for a package built around either Cain OR Sanchez. Marlins wanna move them before their salaries go up and they could use another young arm. This would address 1B and 2B for the Giants although if I were them I'd lean more towards trading Sanchez than Cain.