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Odds & Ends: Dodgers, Barmes, Thornton, Braves

By Zachary Links | November 18, 2010 at 9:17pm CDT

Links for Thursday night..

  • The Yankees will pursue Carl Crawford if they do not land Cliff Lee, writes Newsday's Ken Davidoff.
  • There's mutual interest between the Giants and Aubrey Huff, but talks between the two parties have not advanced lately, writes Mychael Urban of CSNBayArea.com.
  • The Dodgers have signed a pair of Japanese amateur pitchers, Kazuya Takano and Kazuki Nishijima, according to Kevin Baxter of the Los Angeles Times.
  • Rockies starter Jhoulys Chacin is "untouchable" in trade talks, a team source told Troy Renck of The Denver Post.
  • Brian McTaggart of MLB.com writes that the Astros got better in the long run by dealing for Clint Barmes this afternoon.
  • Matt Thornton of the White Sox told MLB.com's Scott Merkin that he isn't concerned about hammering out a long-term deal with the club.
  • The Phillies have decisions to make on several players in advance of tomorrow's midnight deadline to protect players from the Rule 5 draft, writes MLB.com's Todd Zolecki.
  • The Braves have named Jonathan Schuerholz, son of team president John Schuerholz, the manager of their Gulf Coast league affiliate, writes David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
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  1. Muggi

    15 years ago

    I really hope the Phils protect de Fratus and Rizzotti. de Fratus is looking like a nice bullpen arm/setup type, and Rizzotti is proving his last season wasn’t a fluke. He’s never going to play anywhere but 1B, but if he can be even passable there he’s got a good chance his bat makes the bigs (though obviously not in Philly). Good B-grade trade chip.

    Reply
    • myname_989

      15 years ago

      I think they’ll protect both of them. I thought the interesting name that Todd threw out there was D’Arby Myers. He’s never done anything spectacular, and I can’t see a team taking a chance on him in the Rule 5. I’m thinking De Fratus has a chance to break camp with the team though.

      Reply
    • philsWSchamps

      15 years ago

      agree. Save all you can in this order.

      1.De Fratus
      2.Rizzotti
      3.Herndon
      4. Mathieson
      5.Bastardo

      Rizzotti’s doing well in AFL action too.

      Reply
  2. Dave_Gershman

    15 years ago

    I disagree with McTaggart…Clint Barmes has a career .300 OBP and the last time the Rockies acquried a starting pitcher like they did today with Paulino was Jason Hammel, which turned out well, and Jorge De La Rosa, which turned out well…If anything, I think the Astros got extremely robbed…If you subtract Paulino’s last 2 starts which were mainly because of injury and his sept/oct appearances which he was recovering from injury, he didn’t have a bad season…I really, really like this move for the Rockies.

    Reply
    • BobbyJohn

      15 years ago

      I agree completely. The Rockies were all but certain to non-tender Barmes, and they wind up getting a live arm to try to harness in a trade for him instead.

      Reply
    • BobbyJohn

      15 years ago

      I agree completely. The Rockies were all but certain to non-tender Barmes, and they wind up getting a live arm to try to harness in a trade for him instead.

      Reply
    • PDR297

      15 years ago

      I’d actually have to disagree with this. Felipe is the better talent, but he was out of options. With the Astros experimenting with Wesley Wright as a starter and Paulino’s constant struggles the Astros were lucky to not lose him on a waiver claim. Barmes isn’t the solution, but he is a better stop gap than Tommy Manzella.

      Reply
    • Guest

      15 years ago

      Paulino is nothing special outside of his fastball. I wish the Astros would have found someone else to trade for Barmes, but I wouldn’t get too worked up about him. I’ve never thought he had the secondary stuff or health to hack it as a starter. If Barmes hits 8th, provides a little pop and plays a good shortstop, then I think this trade is well worth it for the Astros. Paulino might turn out to be a good bullpen arm, but honestly I don’t think he can stay healthy enough to even do that. He reminds me of Joel Zumaya in a lot of ways

      And I don’t think Hammel and De La Rosa have been great successes for the Rockies. Both have been serviceable back of the rotation starters (in De La Rosa’s case, a back of the rotation starter w/ a live arm), but if that’s Paulino’s ceiling, then I think this a wash. A serviceable pitcher for a serviceable player at a premium position

      Reply
      • Dave_Gershman

        15 years ago

        From June 4th of 09 to present, De La Rosa has been one of the best pitchers in Baseball.

        Reply
        • junior ballbag

          15 years ago

          I’m not disagreeing with you, but will you post numbers proving that? On topic, I could care less. As long as the Ranger’s didn’t trade Neftali for Cezar Izturis, I’m fine.

          Reply
        • Guest

          15 years ago

          He seems streaky to me. He had a nice second half of the season last year, but he missed two months earlier this summer, and it seemed like he was good every other month when he was healthy this year (just from glancing at his stats). Granted, I’ve barely watched him, but I don’t think I’d trust him to be more than a 3rd starter for my team.

          Point being though, I don’t think Paulino is as special as his fastball velocity might indicate

          Reply
          • Dave_Gershman

            15 years ago

            Fair enough, and I never said Jorge De La Rosa deserves the money he’ll get this off-season, I’m just saying he was one of the best from June 4th of 09 on.

            Reply
            • BobbyJohn

              15 years ago

              Winningest, yes. Best? Not so much.

              He made 42 starts from 6/4/09 through the end of 2010 and totalled 252 IP (6 IP per start). His cumulative ERA was 4.07. Even when he won 16 games over the last half of the ’09 season his ERA was 3.94.

              He’s a #3 (or #4) starter on most teams (even the Rockies), but he’s about to get paid like a #1 or #2.

              Reply
      • Dave_Gershman

        15 years ago

        From June 4th of 09 to present, De La Rosa has been one of the best pitchers in Baseball.

        Reply
  3. Kyle Buttermore

    15 years ago

    Phillies should trade Chase Utley to the Twins for Nick Blackburn and JJ Hardy

    Reply
    • NL_East_Rivalry

      15 years ago

      Twins should trade Mauer to Philly for Blanton and Ruiz

      Reply
      • Kyle Buttermore

        15 years ago

        Phillies would get robbed, Amaro would never do that. He’d want bodies to “replenish the farm”.

        Reply
        • NL_East_Rivalry

          15 years ago

          Fine, Maur + Denard + 10 mil for Ibanez + Ruiz? Seems fair.

          Reply
          • Kyle Buttermore

            15 years ago

            Throw in Cole Hamel’s wife and you got a deal.

            Reply
          • Kyle Buttermore

            15 years ago

            Throw in Cole Hamel’s wife and you got a deal.

            Reply
          • Dave_Gershman

            15 years ago

            No…Denard Spandy man Can is staying put. Please don’t trade him Bill Smith.

            Reply
            • NL_East_Rivalry

              15 years ago

              Then instead of Span, Cuddyer and an extra 10 mil ( for his contract ) to platoon with Brown.

              Reply
          • Dave_Gershman

            15 years ago

            No…Denard Spandy man Can is staying put. Please don’t trade him Bill Smith.

            Reply
        • NL_East_Rivalry

          15 years ago

          Fine, Maur + Denard + 10 mil for Ibanez + Ruiz? Seems fair.

          Reply
    • Dave_Gershman

      15 years ago

      Bill Smith: Hey Ruben! How are you doing bud?
      Ruben: Good thanks Bill
      Bill Smith: So can we have Chase Utley for Nick Blackburn and J.J. Hardy?
      Ruben: Please don’t call me ever again.

      Reply
      • Kyle Buttermore

        15 years ago

        Conversation continued

        Bill Smith:What do you mean?
        Ruben:Don’t tell me your serious, your gonna ask for Chase Utley without throwing in Jason Tyner?
        Bill Smith: Your right i’m sorry I thought we could do a 2 for 1 but i’ll throw him in if we got a deal.
        Ruben: Start the paperwork, Phillies fans are in for a treat!

        Reply
      • Kyle Buttermore

        15 years ago

        Conversation continued

        Bill Smith:What do you mean?
        Ruben:Don’t tell me your serious, your gonna ask for Chase Utley without throwing in Jason Tyner?
        Bill Smith: Your right i’m sorry I thought we could do a 2 for 1 but i’ll throw him in if we got a deal.
        Ruben: Start the paperwork, Phillies fans are in for a treat!

        Reply
  4. NL_East_Rivalry

    15 years ago

    Moving back to VA. Hope to help the base there regrow after moving the AAA club to ATL.

    Reply
    • Jake Humphrey

      15 years ago

      Sucks to not have a club in the Carolinas though.

      Reply
  5. RiverKKiller999

    15 years ago

    Philly should trade Howard to the Royals for Grenkie,Butler,Soria… lmao thats a good joke haha

    Reply
    • Kyle Buttermore

      15 years ago

      Phillies would have to throw in Ben Francisco and Kyle Kendrick to be fair.

      Reply
      • NL_East_Rivalry

        15 years ago

        Fair for who? Howard is an amazing player and his defense has gotten better, but Butler, Soria, & Grenkie’s contracts are just too good right now.

        Reply
        • Dylan

          15 years ago

          Calm down, it was clearly a joke.

          Reply
          • NL_East_Rivalry

            15 years ago

            can’t be too sure now a-days, but seeing as it was the same one joking with me earlier, I should have gotten that… my fault.

            Reply
          • Tko11

            15 years ago

            I thought jokes are supposed to be funny

            Reply
      • NL_East_Rivalry

        15 years ago

        Fair for who? Howard is an amazing player and his defense has gotten better, but Butler, Soria, & Grenkie’s contracts are just too good right now.

        Reply
    • Kyle Buttermore

      15 years ago

      Phillies would have to throw in Ben Francisco and Kyle Kendrick to be fair.

      Reply
    • jwsox

      15 years ago

      change butler for a 2ndbase prospect who is very close to the majors and not a totlly bad trade they way they can slot utley over to 1st

      Reply
    • jwsox

      15 years ago

      change butler for a 2ndbase prospect who is very close to the majors and not a totlly bad trade they way they can slot utley over to 1st

      Reply
  6. Bill Spiers Is My Hero

    15 years ago

    I sincerely hope Barmes isn’t the “answer” at SS for the Astros. Ideally, he’d be the newest version of Geoff Blum, who routinely came up with clutch hits for the Stros. I like Barmes in Houston, but again, not as the everyday starting SS.

    Paulino was given MANY opportunities to be a successful pitcher in Houston, but injuries and overall ineffectiveness made him expendable…despite the big arm. Yeah, it’s great to throw 95 but he throws a flat fastball and nothing else with any great success. Great talent, maybe Colorado will be good for him.

    Any deal that Ed Wade makes is going to be met with a lot of criticism, so the “dumb GM” cracks are to be expected. We’ll have to see what else this deal leads to, but on it’s face I like it.

    Reply
    • Anthony Boyer

      15 years ago

      At the present time, there is no real answer at SS for the Astros, and I strongly doubt they’re considering Barmes for anything more than a stopgap. They’re not going to invest heavily in a free agent SS when they’re not going to be competitive for a few years, and they don’t really have anything on the farm. So, for me, Barmes is as good as anyone. He’ll probably move around the infield, mostly at shortstop. I’d rather have someone to platoon with Keppinger at second, but I don’t think Barmes is the answer there.

      Reply
    • Anthony Boyer

      15 years ago

      At the present time, there is no real answer at SS for the Astros, and I strongly doubt they’re considering Barmes for anything more than a stopgap. They’re not going to invest heavily in a free agent SS when they’re not going to be competitive for a few years, and they don’t really have anything on the farm. So, for me, Barmes is as good as anyone. He’ll probably move around the infield, mostly at shortstop. I’d rather have someone to platoon with Keppinger at second, but I don’t think Barmes is the answer there.

      Reply
    • Michael C

      15 years ago

      Paulino is out of options, and very could have been lost for nothing. Paulino throws hard and that’s it. Barmes isn’t gonna set the world on fire, but is experienced, and Manzella hasn’t exactly established himself at SS, and Keppinger isn’t secure at 2b either.

      Reply
      • Bill Spiers Is My Hero

        15 years ago

        Yeah, as an Astros fan, I’ve watched Paulino throughout his career and I can say that at times he’s outstanding. However, he’s lacked the consistency to put together a string of solid starts. He has always shown just enough to avoid being sent down/ released. I’m guessing he’ll continue the same way in COL, but with some even more spectacular flameouts (given the thin air and all).

        Reply
      • Bill Spiers Is My Hero

        15 years ago

        Yeah, as an Astros fan, I’ve watched Paulino throughout his career and I can say that at times he’s outstanding. However, he’s lacked the consistency to put together a string of solid starts. He has always shown just enough to avoid being sent down/ released. I’m guessing he’ll continue the same way in COL, but with some even more spectacular flameouts (given the thin air and all).

        Reply
    • Michael C

      15 years ago

      Paulino is out of options, and very could have been lost for nothing. Paulino throws hard and that’s it. Barmes isn’t gonna set the world on fire, but is experienced, and Manzella hasn’t exactly established himself at SS, and Keppinger isn’t secure at 2b either.

      Reply
  7. Bill Spiers Is My Hero

    15 years ago

    I sincerely hope Barmes isn’t the “answer” at SS for the Astros. Ideally, he’d be the newest version of Geoff Blum, who routinely came up with clutch hits for the Stros. I like Barmes in Houston, but again, not as the everyday starting SS.

    Paulino was given MANY opportunities to be a successful pitcher in Houston, but injuries and overall ineffectiveness made him expendable…despite the big arm. Yeah, it’s great to throw 95 but he throws a flat fastball and nothing else with any great success. Great talent, maybe Colorado will be good for him.

    Any deal that Ed Wade makes is going to be met with a lot of criticism, so the “dumb GM” cracks are to be expected. We’ll have to see what else this deal leads to, but on it’s face I like it.

    Reply
  8. SteelCityResident13

    15 years ago

    Rizzotti would look good in a Buccos uniform!

    Reply
    • Dylan

      15 years ago

      We’ll give u Vic and Rizzoti for McCutchen, haha.

      Reply
      • SteelCityResident13

        15 years ago

        Nice try! I am just hoping the Phillies leave Rizzotti off the 40 man roster so we can get him in the rule 5 draft!

        Reply
        • Dylan

          15 years ago

          Good chance of that. It’s unfortunate because he could be am attractive piece to land them somebody…his d is rough tho.

          Reply
          • SteelCityResident13

            15 years ago

            They still have a day or 2? not quite sure. It would be a nice player to get out of the draft, I doubt they would pick him up though, another team for sure would.

            Reply
          • SteelCityResident13

            15 years ago

            They still have a day or 2? not quite sure. It would be a nice player to get out of the draft, I doubt they would pick him up though, another team for sure would.

            Reply
        • Dylan

          15 years ago

          Good chance of that. It’s unfortunate because he could be am attractive piece to land them somebody…his d is rough tho.

          Reply
      • SteelCityResident13

        15 years ago

        Nice try! I am just hoping the Phillies leave Rizzotti off the 40 man roster so we can get him in the rule 5 draft!

        Reply
    • Dylan

      15 years ago

      We’ll give u Vic and Rizzoti for McCutchen, haha.

      Reply
  9. SteelCityResident13

    15 years ago

    Rizzotti would look good in a Buccos uniform!

    Reply
  10. explodet

    15 years ago

    McTaggart should be fired.

    Reply
  11. BobbyJohn

    15 years ago

    Chacin better be “off limits”. He was their 2nd-best starter (even WITH De la Rosa on the team) in 2010. Too bad Tracy got hung up on “veterans” and sent the kid back to the bullpen when Cook and Francis got healthy.

    Reply
  12. BobbyJohn

    15 years ago

    Chacin better be “off limits”. He was their 2nd-best starter (even WITH De la Rosa on the team) in 2010. Too bad Tracy got hung up on “veterans” and sent the kid back to the bullpen when Cook and Francis got healthy.

    Reply
  13. brett

    15 years ago

    “Daddy, can you land me a job in baseball?” asked Schuerholtz the younger.
    Schuerholtz the elder replied, “Sure thing son, you can manage a minor league team. Heck, Trey Wilson did a good job at it in Bull Durham.”

    Ah, baseball and its never-ending cycle of nepotism.

    Reply
    • Red_Line_9

      15 years ago

      yeah, those minor league managing gigs are pretty posh. Riding around on a bus and slugging equipment around in the heat and humidity. Getting paid enough so you only have to work one job in the offseason. Living at the Best Wester for 6 straight months.

      I’d say if Shuerholtz Jr. is willing to take that gig and make it work…power to him.

      Reply
  14. dps

    15 years ago

    yankees will not need crawford…they will get lee

    Reply
  15. mg

    15 years ago

    Matt Thornton, as a White Sox fan, thank you for being a reliable bullpen arm the last few years and salvaging our investment in Joe Borchard. That being said, no way in hell do I want to see a 33 (soon to be 34) year old situational middle reliever get any sort of sizable extension. Either take 2 years, or I’ll gladly flip you for prospects.

    “Loyalty? This is business folks.”

    Reply
    • klassic

      15 years ago

      How can you call Thornton a “situational middle reliever”. He is a shut down setup man. He is far better than a LOOGY. He is dominating against lefties and righties.

      Reply
  16. jt24

    15 years ago

    i cant believe im saying this but i hope the yankees get lee, crawford will be expensive as it is. if the yankees get involved, the price is gonna sky rocket

    Reply
  17. Yankees579

    15 years ago

    THANK YOU! I’ve been saying that Crawford Is a good backup plan, than u move Gardner to center and ship granderson + prospects OUT OF NEW YORK for a VERY GOOD PITCHER!!

    Reply
  18. moonraker45

    15 years ago

    “The Yankees will pursue Carl Crawford if they do not land Cliff Lee, writes Newsday’s Ken Davidoff.”

    Can he throw a slider?

    Reply
  19. RossAndHeckler

    15 years ago

    Anyone else think that its smart for the Giants to not go after Crawford?

    I feel like if they sink that money into a big time FA there is no way they can retain Linc, Cain, Bumgarner, Posey, Wilson (and possibly Belt) long term…

    Reply
  20. giants956

    15 years ago

    im tired of the yankees just trying to buy themselves a world championship. they should just do it like the rest of teams and produce talent from there farm system. most people outside of new york just like them because the yankee are good and buy there championship for the most part. there in the conversation for every big free agent every year and they allows seem to get them. i wouldnt doubt it if they got crawford and lee.

    Reply
    • Yankees579

      15 years ago

      Don’t make me backhand u with stats to prove you wrong stupid.

      Reply

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