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Wainwright Will Undergo Tommy John Surgery

By Mike Axisa | February 24, 2011 at 10:01am CDT

THURSDAY, 10:01am: GM John Mozeliak confirmed that Wainwright will undergo Tommy John surgery according to the team's official Twitter feed. The injury will keep him on the shelf for all of 2011.

WEDNESDAY, 8:59am: Adam Wainwright is heading back to St. Louis to have his right elbow examined, and right now the team expects the worst. "I can say just based on the initial evaluation from our training staff, things do not look encouraging," said GM John Mozeliak according to Derrick Goold of The St. Louis Post-Dispatch. ESPN's Buster Olney says (on Twitter) that it appears the team is expecting their ace to have Tommy John surgery, which would keep him out for all of 2011.

Wainwright, 29, has been one of the game's best pitchers in recent years, pitching to a 2.53 ERA with 8.3 K/9 and 2.4 BB/9 in 463 1/3 innings over the last two seasons. He finished second in the NL Cy Young voting last season and third in 2009. Rival executives are speculating that the Cards will pursue Kevin Millwood in the wake of the injury, according to Olney (on Twitter). Over the weekend we heard that Millwood was "waiting for the right widespread panic."

If Wainwright finishes the 2011 season on the disabled list, his $9MM option for 2012 and $12MM option for 2013 will not vest. 

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  1. BravesRed

    12 years ago

    As I told SPAN on twitter, bad news for fantasy players who have him.

    Reply
    • bucs_lose_again

      12 years ago

      That’s game-breaking insight, folks.

      Reply
      • Dave_Gershman

        12 years ago

        The fact that he told me on twitter?

        Or that Fantasy teams get screwed?

        Reply
        • pastlives

          12 years ago

          the latter, it sounds like

    • East Coast Bias

      12 years ago

      This is why you shouldn’t draft so far from opening day.

      Reply
      • The_Silver_Stacker

        12 years ago

        Mid to end of March is when one should be drafting for their respective leagues.

        Reply
      • Ender

        12 years ago

        I’d think most people who already have him are in keeper leagues, not really early draft leagues.

        Reply
  2. Matt Coleman

    12 years ago

    This would be devastating for St. Louis.

    Reply
    • Chuck345

      12 years ago

      “Would” be? What do you think, the author and Adam Wainwright himself is just jerking everyone around?

      Reply
  3. Karkat

    12 years ago

    Wow, this came out of nowhere. I’ve loved watching him pitch for the past couple seasons.

    I might go so far as to say that this takes the Cardinals out of the discussion in the NL Central.

    Reply
    • JohnOrpheus

      12 years ago

      especially if they plan on replacing him with kevin millwood.

      Reply
      • Chuck345

        12 years ago

        Sure…kick the Cardinal fans when they are down.

        Reply
        • johnsilver

          12 years ago

          Don’t think that is kicking the Card’s, but cold hearted reality. Now St. Louis will have to start looking for somebody to give them innings at least and rubbish pile Millwood is about all that there is via FA. you just know Boras is salvitating for the worst news..That vulture.

          Maybe the Phillies would unload Blanton, or better..Orioles and Guthrie if the news is the worst. Guthrie have always felt would be a beast in the NL.

        • costumedanceguy

          12 years ago

          I’ve got the perfect solution: Make Pujols a starter!

      • Slopeboy

        12 years ago

        Not to worry, Duncan can turn this pumpkin into Cinderella

        Reply
        • notsureifsrs

          12 years ago

          maybe, but the stroke of midnight will usually come in about the fourth or fifth inning

    • daveineg

      12 years ago

      If you look at Wainwright’s season in 2010, I’m not sure it quite came out of nowhere. He was odds on favorite for Cy Young in early August, but had a string of 4-5 starts there where he wasn’t all that sharp. Remember too, he logged 260 innings the last two seasons after posting just 132 the year before. I thought before this happened Cards would falter as Garcia would backslide a bit, and they were weak in the #5 slot with Lohse. I see them going after Millwood, because he can eat innings and it’s hard to make up for a guy that threw 230 innings.

      Reply
      • Karkat

        12 years ago

        Now that you mention it, I do recall some problems last fall, as well as some injury scares (he was my fantasy ace, so I was watching him closely. Now I’m thankful it wasn’t a keeper league).

        Reply
  4. Dwan

    12 years ago

    tough break, hopefully he has good recovery if he’s heading for TJ surgery.

    Reply
  5. riotmute

    12 years ago

    Absolutely devastating. As a Cards fan, hard not to believe season is already over

    Reply
    • Jason Klinger

      12 years ago

      All is not yet lost. Cards still have Carpenter, Garcia, Westbrook and (gulp) Lohse. There is plenty of time for St. Louis to find another SP, though their best chance might be a trade. Blanton would make a nice No. 3/4 for the Redbirds.

      Reply
      • ubercubsfan

        12 years ago

        Unfortunately, for a team that seems to want to penny pinch against the best player in the game right now, I doubt they will want to take on another 8.5MM for Blanton this year.

        Reply
        • Bino9

          12 years ago

          They’re not trying to penny pinch Pujols. They don’t have that big of a market as they would probably like. Pujols wants 30M a year for a sustantial amount of time. Not that many clubs can give him that plus fill out the rest of their roster. Pujols and the rotation would’ve been close to 70-80M range alone. Rays and Marlins dont even spend that much for their entire club

        • ubercubsfan

          12 years ago

          For a team that comes in ranking top 4 in butts in the seats behind Yanks/Phillies/Dodgers they should be able to afford Pujols. Not to mention merchandise sales and whatnot. They just don’t to up their payroll up another 10-15MM because they are penny pinching.

        • Stud

          12 years ago

          Well using your premise, I could easily say the Cubs overspend, which is why they are a pile of dung right now.

          -Alfonso Soriano

        • Guest

          12 years ago

          The Cubs aren’t crap. That’s the Pirates–owners of the worst losing streak in sports history. Get it straight, man.

        • MB923

          12 years ago

          Worst franchise in professional sports. Well worst ownership I should say.

        • Guest

          12 years ago

          Are you referring to the Cubs, the Pirates, or how about the Knicks? Forget about the Carmello Anthony trade, the Knicks have the worst ownership in sports. They’ve got the CUBS beat by a mile. Especially when you consider the Ricketts just bought the team!

        • MB923

          12 years ago

          Was referring to the Pirates. I’ll agree and say the Knicks have the worst basketball ownership though.

          And what makes you think I was talking about the Cubs? How could the Cubs be worse than the Pirates. The Cubs have had at least won divisions in recent years and have had winning seasons.

        • Jimmy Hoffman

          12 years ago

          Although the Knicks are synonymous with being terrible in New York, the team makes more money than any other in the NBA and it is still considered a business.

        • sam_lammert

          12 years ago

          the pirates have won the world series in the last century

        • Guest

          12 years ago

          So? What does that have to do with HOW INCOMPETENT the organization is now and for the past 18 seasons?

        • bmoneyy20

          12 years ago

          right on point, they havent won 81 games in a season since bonds,bonilla and doug drabek were their studs

        • Brett

          12 years ago

          Merchandise sales won’t go up because they resign him, at best, it would stay consistent. Now, you could say that merchandising would go down if they lost Pujols.

          it’s funny that players want to win, but their contract demands effectively make it less likely that the team can spend money on others, thus costing them the chance to compete.

          I also think it’s funny that fans support the idea that he’s worth it, since they are the ones paying the piper in the end (that being said, if anyone is worth it, it’s Pujols),

        • Sean

          12 years ago

          its about media sharing, TV bs, and market. St. Louis is dwarfed in comparison to Chicago, New York, and all California teams. The loyal fans that travel from all throughout the midwest have nothing to do with that

        • JamesOrLurch

          12 years ago

          The Cardinals actually have the best TV ratings of any MLB team.

        • W

          12 years ago

          It seems that I read somewhere that the St. Louis Television market is (7th) lowest in all of MLB.

        • Ferrariman

          12 years ago

          that isn’t about ratings.

        • NL_East_Rivalry

          12 years ago

          Although I haven’t done studies into it, I’ve had a Cards fan explain that they topped out their market. They can’t raises prices any higher of beer or seats based upon where they are at right now and the pay-roll of the fans that go there. It’s almost extortion, yet they still come out. They can only pay him what they can make.

        • Bino9

          12 years ago

          Is Pujols worth 30M? Right now, yes. BUT, he more then likely wants it for 10 years similar to that of the ARod signing. He won’t be worth that after 5 years. He himself is going to be hurting his team (Cardinals) the opportunity to win championships with him limiting the team by spending for more and more players that they would be needing in the future. Basically you can blame Yankees for Pujols wanting that much, which is why Baseball needs to have a salary cap soon. Not every team can have over 150M budget every single year. IF Pujols gets the 30M+ year from Cards then he will be pushing the Cards budget way too high from what the owners can probably deal with. Yea the Merchandise sales and sales in seats, but that’s only because they have a winning team for the most part and Pujols, if he gets what he wants then they will start losing because other players won’t get the money that they want and some of them deserve due to the budget.

  6. Dave_Gershman

    12 years ago

    Disastrous news. The last thing you ever want to see happen in baseball, period.

    Best of luck Adam and come back healthy.

    Reply
  7. John McFadin

    12 years ago

    This seems to have come out of nowhere. Is there any reports at all about when this happened?

    Reply
    • Guest

      12 years ago

      Sure does. Why couldn’t the team have detected this sooner? The division’s the Brewer’s to loose.

      Reply
  8. Don P

    12 years ago

    Hate to be cold hearted but glad I don’t own him on any of my fantasy teams.

    Reply
  9. Keith Lawyer

    12 years ago

    KARMA, eh Cardinals?

    Reply
    • Jason S

      12 years ago

      How is that karma? What did they do horribly wrong for something like this? Not throw ridiculous money at Pujols? So that if something like this happens they’re not completely screwed? I think Kenny Williams said it best. Can’t put all your money in one baasket.

      Reply
      • Keith Lawyer

        12 years ago

        No its Karma by offering Pujols such a low an embarrassing offer 19-21 million a year? What a slap in the face.

        Reply
        • PhnxCrew

          12 years ago

          it’s more of a law of averages than karma. They haven’t had a big injury in a LONG time. That said, he could “magically” recover like pujols did a couple years back in the spring/ early season

        • Ferrariman

          12 years ago

          no big injury? Carpenter missed basically all of 2007, almost all of 2008, and like 30 percent of 2009.

        • W

          12 years ago

          Everything that has been reported thus far is baseless speculation. AP’s camp and the Cardinals camp have been total professionals about the whole thing. There have been no leaks whatsoever. As a result, your 19 – 21 a year is baseless. Further, you feed the fire by perpetuating this useless drivel.

      • Tony

        12 years ago

        remember last year Joe Nathan was announced to undergo TJS and Joe Mauer got an extension to make the twins fans happy?

        pattern?

        Reply
    • W

      12 years ago

      Karma? Karma for what? Your tip-toeing. Don’t tip-toe Keith. What are you referring to specifically. Cause’ if your insinuating they deserve this because of negotiations with Players you need to do your homework.

      Reply
  10. baseball52

    12 years ago

    I like Wainwright, so this kinda sucks.

    Reply
    • Ian_Smell

      12 years ago

      Same, I hate the Cardinals, but I really like Wainwright. I feel really bad for him now.

      Reply
  11. Andy

    12 years ago

    I wonder if this will affect any Pujols decisions. Clearly the injury hurts the “win now” mentality.

    Reply
  12. notsureifsrs

    12 years ago

    aaaand that is just some stupidly brutal news

    Reply
  13. Paul

    12 years ago

    Wow, I didnt even know he was having elbow problems! Thats really too bad, hopefully he recovers and continues to have a successful career.

    Reply
    • Redbirds16

      12 years ago

      He had some soreness at the end of the year and gave it a rest over the offseason. Funny thing he was saying at the beginning of ST that it felt fine and the soreness had subsided. Just really odd…

      Too bad the Cards didn’t act sooner on this, meaning October. I’m kind of frustrated with the Cards’ medical staff and have been for quite some time. So many players go down with injuries (granted not quite as bad as some other teams, but still a bad record) that you just wonder what’s going on…

      Reply
  14. Jason S

    12 years ago

    I think Kevin Millwood’s phone is ringing about right now.

    Reply
  15. monkeyspanked

    12 years ago

    Oh snap! Looks like Kevin Millwood has a new suitor. Good thing he turned down that crappy Yank offer.

    Reply
    • Chuck345

      12 years ago

      Yankee fans agree.

      Reply
  16. jwredsox

    12 years ago

    Does anyone see this as a plus for Wainwright since his options likely won’t vest? I could see him, at worst, making around 10mil on a 1 yr deal after this season and if he has a good year in 2012 he could top that 12mil on a longer term deal.

    Reply
    • astrostl

      12 years ago

      TJ or not, I think the team would be insane to not exercise a 1/9MM on him in 2012. After that, they get an informed look at a 1/12MM for 2013.

      Reply
      • jwredsox

        12 years ago

        Both options have to be picked up at the same time according to Cots. So the Cards are going to have to be sure he is healthy.

        Reply
        • astrostl

          12 years ago

          I think it’s still a slam-dunk at 2/21MM unless they have to amputate. TJ surgery has a full recovery rate of 85-92% with elite pitchers.

        • bjsguess

          12 years ago

          It may have a high success rate but those pitchers don’t generally return to form immediately after rehab. It often takes a few years for them to come back. $21m is a big bet to make.

        • jwredsox

          12 years ago

          It normally takes a year to regain full velocity though

        • astrostl

          12 years ago

          This can’t be had both ways; if he would be a hot FA he’s worth 2/21MM, and if he’s not worth 2/21MM he wouldn’t be a hot FA. The Cardinals have the option, and so it is still them – not Wainwright, not the FA market – that has the advantage. Even if his minimum performance estimate is reduced to that of a 10.5MM pitcher, the upside remains huge.

    • The_Silver_Stacker

      12 years ago

      He will probably want something similar or maybe even more than Ben Sheets got from Oakland and he was coming back from injury as well.

      Reply
  17. Jiujitsu411420

    12 years ago

    I figured carp would get injured before waino. Cards better hope Garcia doesn’t hit a sophomore slump or they might be fighting for the bottom of the division. Hopefully he can rehab or strengthen instead of surgery. Not a good way to start Pujols possible last season as a cardinal.

    Reply
    • Sean

      12 years ago

      the most prototypical cubs comment that could ever be written on this topic

      Reply
      • burtonbball88

        12 years ago

        All of the arguments are prototypical and really dumb. Lets look at the current team, and not the past. The Cubs have a totally different team this year, and so do the Cardinals. Although being a Cubs fan, this is awesome news.

        Reply
  18. notsureifsrs

    12 years ago

    forget the poor man, kevin millwood is like the homeless paraplegic man’s adam wainright

    crap day in STL

    Reply
    • Ian

      12 years ago

      Good one my friend, the cards made it without kile and will

      Reply
  19. Don P

    12 years ago

    I just checked my fantasy leagues my main rival owns him in 2 leagues. 🙂

    Reply
    • Chuck345

      12 years ago

      Please tell me more…

      Reply
  20. rockfordone

    12 years ago

    Time for Miller and Blair to step up. Don’t go for Millwood

    Reply
  21. notsureifsrs

    12 years ago

    so if the cards aren’t contenders by the end of june, can pujols be talked out of his veto?

    he won’t sign an extension, but some contender would be willing to give up more than 2 draft picks worth of talent for pujols’ second half

    Reply
  22. Smurf

    12 years ago

    I don’t get all the Millwood hate. IF he does go to STL, he will have a good season under Duncan. I mean the guy can make chicken salad out of chicken poop. He certainly won’t be Wainwright, but I could see him winning 10+ games for the Cards.

    Reply
    • Pete

      12 years ago

      Its because he is literally half as talented as Wainwright. Gotta think this drops STL down a peg or three, the Reds and Brewers look awesome this year. Terrible news for STL.

      Reply
      • Smurf

        12 years ago

        No, I get that. You’re not going to replace Wainwright with anyone, BUT Millwood will come cheaply and probably thrive under Duncan.

        Reply
  23. 14 Rocks

    12 years ago

    I hate to hear this news. Get well soon Wainwright!!

    Reply
  24. MikeY

    12 years ago

    Kids, this is why you don’t draft fantasy leagues in february.

    Reply
  25. Karkat

    12 years ago

    If his options don’t vest, he could be an exciting surprise FA during an offseason that promises a very shallow pitching market.

    Reply
    • astrostl

      12 years ago

      It’s a club option, not a player option.

      Reply
      • Nick Novak

        12 years ago

        which means he’s more likely to become a FA, especially if he has setbacks in rehab

        Reply
        • astrostl

          12 years ago

          If the Cards don’t think he’s worth 2/21MM, I don’t think he’s going to be an exciting FA. One or the other.

        • hoagiebuchanan

          12 years ago

          The 2012 option is picked up with a top 5 finish in Cy Young voting in 2010.

        • astrostl

          12 years ago

          “club must exercise 2012 and 2013 options at same time, but may void if Wainwright is on disabled list with arm injury at end of 2011 season”

  26. Tom

    12 years ago

    As a Mets fan I’m supposed to hate this guy, but I’ve never been as excited to watch a pitcher like Wainwright, he’s devastating it’s always been one of my joys to watch Cardinals games just for him. I literally gasped upon reading this news. My favorite pitcher may now be gone for the next 1 and 1/2 to 2 years.

    Reply
  27. myname_989

    12 years ago

    Damn, this stinks. After the last couple of seasons, you got the feeling that Wainwright was in a position to completely blast through the National League. Hopefully, it’s not a severe as the Cards’ first thought. Missing him for an entire season hurts the sport of baseball as a whole. Very entertaining to watch throw.

    Reply
    • gunsnascar

      12 years ago

      how does this hurt the game of baseball as a whole?
      It should have hurt much more when their batting coach mark mcguire cheated by using steroids and then lieing about just how much he used them.
      heck it probably hurt baseball even more when the cardinals star reliever got drunk and stoned and wrecked his suv killing him on rt 70.
      Death is worse than tommy john surgery after all this is only a game.

      Reply
      • Sean

        12 years ago

        Very very very inappropriate

        and shallow

        Reply
        • gunsnascar

          12 years ago

          just stating 2 facts that were bad for baseball more than wain’s TJ injury as players in stl are concerned.

          How was that inappropriate?

      • James G

        12 years ago

        It certainly hurts the Phillies hopes of having home field advantage in the World Series.

        Reply
      • myname_989

        12 years ago

        Way to take something and blow it completely out of context. I was simply saying that not being able to watch Wainwright pitch was bad for the game of baseball this season, like not being able to watch Stephen Strasburg pitch after his injury. It’s really ridiculous that you felt the need to make that comment.

        Reply
  28. testGDaccount

    12 years ago

    I hope the injury happened in a classy way, right Cards fans?

    Reply
  29. Brad Jackson

    12 years ago

    Eh. we’re not out of it yet. Carp is still Cy material and Garcia should have won RoY. We still have a ridiculous lineup. And the Brewers are still the Brewers. I’m sure Fielder will get all pissed at Greinke or something.

    Reply
    • astrostl

      12 years ago

      I’m a Cards fan. Garcia over Heyward or Posey, really? And Carp had a great (delayed start!) 2009, but the age deck is stacked against him. If we don’t have Wainwright, I think both the Brewers and Reds rate to be ahead of us. But, anything (e.g. Berkman) can happen.

      Reply
      • Brad Jackson

        12 years ago

        Sure. And yes, I still think we will fair okay against the NL central.

        Reply
        • gunsnascar

          12 years ago

          they will probably have some competition for the nationals and pirates for landing the top draft pic in the NL now.

      • phoenix2042

        12 years ago

        even if berkman starts hitting again, you have to think that his defense in RF (that is where he’s playing now right?) will take away most of what his bat gives you.

        Reply
      • gunsnascar

        12 years ago

        Brewers and Reds rate to be ahead of us.

        and the cubs, astro’s, and maybe even the pirates

        Reply
      • disgustedcubfan

        12 years ago

        Hoping that Berkman has a huge year is almost as lame as us Cub fans hoping for Soriano to have a huge year. We’re both grasping at straws.

        Reply
  30. Bo

    12 years ago

    Terrible news for baseball.

    I doubt this changes anything on the Pujols front, since they can’t really trade him now anyway. They’re not suddenly going to throw buckets of money at him just to make Cards fans feel better, nor should they.

    Reply
  31. bmoneyy20

    12 years ago

    no cardinals spin on how this wont hurt your teams chances this year and moving forward? the curse of pujols has started, karma is a b

    Reply
    • rayking

      12 years ago

      This makes no sense. Karma? What did they do to invoke bad karma? Not give Pujols the biggest contract in history to exceed other contracts which were terrible, like A-Rod’s and Ryan Howard’s? “Another team overpaid their guy by a lot, so now we have to as well.” Please.

      Reply
      • phoenix2042

        12 years ago

        he’s making a poorly constructed reference to the curse of the bambino.

        Reply
      • gunsnascar

        12 years ago

        pay pujols for what he has done and what he will do is the deal

        karma …….. I see this being the second step to the cards decline

        1st step is not working out a deal with pujols b4 spring training.
        Now look at this wainwright is possibly out 1.5-2 years and the cubs will overpay for pujols this comming off season so thats the best pitcher and position player from the cards gone after 2011.

        Reply
        • Sean

          12 years ago

          with the cubs karma Albert’s elbow would finally blow up while he is trying to put on that ugly jersey during the press conference, which won’t happen anyways

        • gunsnascar

          12 years ago

          I kind of agree there is something to the curse, but I wouldnt call it bad cubs karma its not like garza dempster or zambrano had this injury in that “ugly cubs jersey”.
          I love the fact that the cards are screwed 1 way or another.
          1 they over pay for pujols and continue winning most of their games this year and are financially screwed for 8-10 years… or
          2 the cubs over pay for pujols and whip the heck outta the red birds and alotta the rest of the NL. the central could be theirs in a walk.
          The prospect that pujols wearing another hat is just unnatural to inagine but he just may be gone but forget about that they will be loosing their ace of the futre in wainwright. I do hope that wain recovers well from his injury but thats a very tough injury to make it all the way back from.
          This news is a bombshell on the stl fans and orginization to be felt for many years to come

  32. ColonelTom

    12 years ago

    Ruben Amaro Jr. is on the phone to St. Louis right now, peddling Joe Blanton. I suspect the Cards will go for a 1-year option like Millwood rather than a 2-year commitment to Blanton, though, since they’ll need the payroll room to re-sign Pujols. The long, expensive commitments to mediocrities like Lohse and Westbrook (both signed through 2012, $20.25M total next year) don’t help matters.

    Reply
    • Jason S

      12 years ago

      Blanton at 8.5 mill this year and next? No way the Cards would be in on that.

      Reply
      • ColonelTom

        12 years ago

        Obviously the Phils would need to eat a chunk of the cost. Blanton at $4-5M a year would have to be attractive to the Cards right now.

        Reply
        • nm344

          12 years ago

          Blanton is worth his salary. If the Phillies are ‘eating’ anything, then they are getting back a good prospect.

        • Jason S

          12 years ago

          Cards won’t want to give up a good prospect, they’re already thin in the farm system. And they claim the budget is pretty much maxed out.

        • disgustedcubfan

          12 years ago

          Can the Cubs interest you in bringing back Todd Wellemeyer or Braden Looper? Both are in Cubs camp on minor league deals. They were OK under Duncan.

  33. brygar

    12 years ago

    So…. Jair Jurjjens and Cash for Colby Rasmus?

    Reply
    • myname_989

      12 years ago

      Lol

      Reply
      • DepletedOrange

        12 years ago

        seriously. the only response to that is lol.

        Reply
    • phoenix2042

      12 years ago

      um… ew. that’s almost as bad as napoli and rivera for wells and 5 million bucks.

      Reply
      • rickjimbo

        12 years ago

        i see what you did there

        Reply
    • Paul

      12 years ago

      Jurrjens for renteria. SEEMS LIKE A GOOD DEAL!

      Any tigers fan knows what I am talking about.

      Reply
  34. Andy_B

    12 years ago

    Cards medical staff strikes again. Waino was clearly not right at the end of the year, they should have evaluated him then and had the surgery in the beginning of October. Had they done it then it would have been possible for him to be back by August.

    Either way this is just horrible news. I think there are only about 20 people in this world whose death would come as worse news to me.

    Reply
    • AngelHater

      12 years ago

      “I think there are only about 20 people in this world whose death would come as worse news to me.”

      Dude, grow up. Baseball is just a business that a few hundred people on earth are talented enough to participate in. You really need to get out of your mom’s basement a little more.

      Reply
      • Andy_B

        12 years ago

        Sounds like someone has no sense of humor

        Reply
  35. JC Abbott

    12 years ago

    Wren should be on the phone talking up Kawakami. Or on the phone with Boras trying to sign Millwood so the Cards are forced to trade for him. Or Kawakami. Or him + Kawakami.

    For Rasmus.

    Reply
    • nm344

      12 years ago

      I think you’d need to throw in Tejeran to get Rasmus.

      Reply
    • Nick Novak

      12 years ago

      the cards would rather keep rasmus and use pujol’s mom as the 5th starter

      Reply
  36. daveineg

    12 years ago

    LaRussa was able to protect Garcia a lot last year because he had two guys combine for 465 innings that kept his bullpen fresh. It remains to be seen how effective Garcia can be if he’s asked to go beyond the 6th inning more often. Losing 230 innings is huge.

    They may go after both Millwood and Blanton for simple reason either of those two is an upgrade over Lohse and they have to upgrade somewhere to make up for this loss.

    Reply
    • rayking

      12 years ago

      Exactly right. And that’s why Millwood would be a nice addition. All the people mocking the idea of adding Millwood don’t realize that the whole rotation suffers when an inning-eater goes down. Millwood just needs to come out and pitch a “quality start” every game (the standard for which is actually less than what a team considers an actually solid start, in my opinion) to ease the load for Garcia and the others.

      Reply
      • daveineg

        12 years ago

        Yeah Millwood is still probably able to give you 200 innings, maybe 205 and and ERA in the low 4’s. But that’s a far cry from 230 and 2.70.

        That’s why if I’m them why I’d go after Blanton too. Cards could live with Lohse and his bad contract in the #5 spot when they had Carpenter and Wainwright fronting the rotation. Now, not so much.

        Reply
  37. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

    12 years ago

    I can’t believe 33 people liked this news.

    Reply
    • Chuck345

      12 years ago

      Fantasy baseball nerds.

      Reply
    • Paul

      12 years ago

      Yea, to like an injury to someone is just terrible.

      I am a tigers fan so I obviously do not like the twins, however I didnt want morneau to be injured the second half of last year. I mean I of course would want him to go 0 for whatever against us, but you never wish injury on a player even as a fan of the opposite team.

      If your team is really that good then they dont need other teams injuries to beat them.

      Reply
    • jb226

      12 years ago

      The “Like” button hasn’t meant somebody actually LIKES something since… well, ever.

      Reply
  38. Sean

    12 years ago

    Absolutely sick to my stomach

    Reply
  39. gocrazy

    12 years ago

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    Reply
  40. astrostl

    12 years ago

    Note to other teams’ fans: we’re still not trading Rasmus.

    Reply
  41. Rawlsian

    12 years ago

    The Curse of Albert Pujols

    Reply
    • TartanElk

      12 years ago

      Is this like Montezuma’s Revenge? If so, will there be numerous trips to the bathroom? If, indeed this is the case, then I want nothing to do with this curse.

      Reply
  42. TartanElk

    12 years ago

    If this is true and Wainright goes for surgery, then Millwood looks like a genius for holding out.

    Reply
    • astrostl

      12 years ago

      The Cards are budget-strapped, and the replacement is expected to be internal. Even if they were to sign Millwood, decisions are best evaluated using the information available at the time – not hindsight!

      Reply
      • TartanElk

        12 years ago

        That’s exactly why he’d look like a genius though. People always look back and say, “Well he didn’t know that would happen, he just got lucky.” But I guarantee you, if the Cards sign him, the media would be all over how smart Millwood was to holdout on teams and not accept a lesser minor league deal. They’d call it shrewd negotiating or something dumb like that.

        It’s the same way politicians and other public figures get glorified for their success when they lucked their way into something.

        Also, so far, I’ve only seen La Russa say they’re looking internally at their options. After having lived in St. Louis for 8 years, I’ve learned never to listen to him because management often goes in the exact opposite direction he talks about. It seems to me as if, and I have no evidence to support this idea, that Cardinals management overreacts to bad news all the time and go and curl up in a corner or do something stupid.

        Reply
  43. smfiv

    12 years ago

    Baseball Heaven isn’t looking so heavenly this year.

    Reply
  44. syphercx

    12 years ago

    Wow, I am way less excited for this season all of a sudden. Hope Adam has as little pain as possible though.

    Reply
  45. The_Silver_Stacker

    12 years ago

    What a shame, Wainwright is a fun pitcher to watch works quickly and dominates. I feel for any Cards fans, this probably will shatter their hopes of contending.

    Reply
  46. chetkincaid

    12 years ago

    You guys can have Mark Buehrle from the Sox.

    Reply
  47. optionn

    12 years ago

    They should decline his option after this. No way any pitcher coming off surgery is worth 9 million. Arizona got shafted by being a nice guy and picking up Webb for 9 million and getting nothing back.

    Reply
    • Jabo

      12 years ago

      Shoulder injuries are a much different beast then TJ surgery. At this point everyone pretty much knows how players will come back from TJ. Shoulder injuries are a crap shoot.

      Reply
  48. syphercx

    12 years ago

    Is it too early to call up Miller??? hehe

    Reply
  49. Patricio

    12 years ago

    This really sucks. Feel bad for Wainwright, I’m a Phillies fan but I’ve always enjoyed watching him pitch. Hopefully he can get an alternative to TJ’s surgery and pitch this season.

    Reply
  50. Andy Mc

    12 years ago

    Cecil for Rasmus, straight up.

    Reply
  51. STLfan

    12 years ago

    Kyle McClellan will be our 5th starter now and i dont care if he only pitches 100 innings he is better than Millwood. We have Snell and Bautista to eat innings out of the bullpen or Snell can be our 5th starter and Mclellan and Bautista go to the pen. The St. Louis Post has said that McClellan is the most likely to take over for Wainwright, but if its Snell it is still better than Millwood.

    Reply
  52. STLfan

    12 years ago

    Not trading Rasmus for anyone right now and Miller wont be up until the end of 2012. Lance Lynn could start if Snell and McClellan dont work out but right now i would go with K-Mac

    Reply
  53. Rashomon

    12 years ago

    And just when we Twins fans thought all hope was lost…Kevin Slowey for Little Nicky! Gardy’s calling the front office as we speak.

    Reply
  54. studio179

    12 years ago

    Too bad on Wainwright. Good news for the rest of the NL Central. I don’t like to see a guy hurt though. Obviuosly, the Cards will not get a front end pitcher to replace him. But I’m sure they will get someone who will be somewhat consistant/competitive and pitch some innings with the goal to not detroy the rest of the pen.

    Reply
  55. Cards_Fanboy

    12 years ago

    Dang, Wainwright is my favorite pitcher. Hopefully he’ll be able to come back from this next year. I’d like to see Ian Snell, Lance Lynn, and Kyle McClellan compete to for the open rotation spot instead of jumping to fill it with an outside replacement.

    Reply
  56. Whole_New_World

    12 years ago

    Never know what will happen with surgery. But, alotta times pitchers comeback even better after the surgery. Hope that’s the way it works for Wainwright in ’12.

    Reply
  57. rickjimbo

    12 years ago

    such a great pitcher, just terrible for him

    Reply
  58. Guest

    12 years ago

    If his option doesnt vest cause he’s on the DL, I’d love to see the Yanks pick him up on the rebound

    Reply
    • The_Silver_Stacker

      12 years ago

      By the time that happens they will be giving an oppurtunity to some of the killer B’s

      Reply
  59. Boogey_Down_Bronx

    12 years ago

    If his options dont vest cause he ends the season on the DL, I’d love to see the Yanks pick him up while he recovers

    Reply
    • astrostl

      12 years ago

      It is a club option. He does not become a FA if the options don’t auto-vest.

      Reply
  60. TrueYankeeFanNYC

    12 years ago

    Sad news. I feel for the cards and fans. Hopefully he rebounds from the TJ surgery.

    Reply
  61. YankeePhan1234

    12 years ago

    Well if Wainwright goes down and the Cards are out of it in July, would they consider trading Carpenter at the deadline?

    Reply
  62. TrueYankeeFanNYC

    12 years ago

    And you can pretty much book Millwood to the cards.

    Reply
    • BlueCatuli

      12 years ago

      According to LaRussa, “The answer is here.” It doesn’t sound like they are going to be signing an free agent pitchers as a replacement.

      Reply
  63. dc21892

    12 years ago

    This is terrible, terrible news.

    Reply
  64. alexchicago14

    12 years ago

    Terrible…just Terrible, It’s gonna be a tough year for that cards…..BUT if all is true, and his options don’t vest….do you think this changes where they stand with Pujols?

    Reply
  65. jb226

    12 years ago

    Sorry to hear it, even as a Cubs fan.

    Do we have any news as to what happened? Did something happen while he was throwing in Spring Training, or something else?

    Reply
  66. baybombers

    12 years ago

    ouch, hes always on the cusp of a cy young too

    Reply
  67. Craig Cutler

    12 years ago

    Words can’t describe the amount of suck right now. Not only is he my favorite pitcher, he’s our best one. There goes our division championship.

    Reply
  68. Guest

    12 years ago

    So now Jhonny Gomes of the Reds is singing and praising the fact that Wainwright’s injured….ah…the ugliness Reds-Cardinals rivalry renewed. I seem to recall that Dusty hated La Russa when he was Cubs manager too.

    Reply
  69. AlKelz

    12 years ago

    I hate to see any player hurt. Even a Yankee player. That said this is a huge blow to the Cardinals. Sure they can still win the NL Central but the Brewers are now the favorites. The Reds are a good team but I am disapointed that some of them are celebrating the injury to Wainwright . That is a total lack of class.

    As far as pitchers , as an O’s fan , I can say , Millwood was not as bad as his numbers suggest. More often then not he gave the team a chance to win. He typically had one bad inning per start. Usually the first. He lost a lot of games in the early part of the season due to a lack of run support . ( 1 or 0 ) He also pitched good under Showalter. On last years Cardinals team he might have won 10 games , so you could do worse then Millwood.

    Blanton is too expensive for the Cardinals. If the Phillies ate salary , that would negate the point of trading him. He had a better second half and if anything happens to one of the big four , he provides some depth.

    This may hurt the Cardinals this year but it’s possible it helps them long term. It takes up to two years to come back from TJ surgery. So maybe the Cardinals cut Wainwright loose and us the money to resign Pujols ?

    Wainwright is due 21 Million over the next two years. After that Lohse’s bad contract comes of the books. I know Cardinals fans would hate to loose either. But paying a guy 21 Million to be on the DL while their best player is a free agent might be too much for them.

    Hopefully for Cardinals fans , Dewitt will raise the payroll to the 110-120 Million they will need to remain competetive ? Here’s hoping 😉

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  70. gunsnascar

    12 years ago

    maybe michael young can pitch

    lol

    Reply
  71. Giorgi Almonte

    12 years ago

    Damn, im a met fan, but this is just awful, hes one of my faves pitchers…

    Reply
  72. The_Silver_Stacker

    12 years ago

    What a surprise Colby Rasmus has made it on this thread

    Reply
  73. RiverKKiller999

    12 years ago

    This sucks big time, now I gotta change my NL Cy Young prediction.

    Reply
  74. PhnxCrew

    12 years ago

    Is it really so “terrible” when he’s sitting at home making tens of millions of dollars? This isn’t football, he’s not lying on the ground with the question of if he’s going to live or die. This is Sports, this is entertainment. It’s not real life. It makes a three team race a two team race and any of the players on the reds/ brewers has every right to be excited about this because it increases their playoff chances dramatically. When you base your team off four superstar players and don’t fill out the rest of the roster this was bound to happen sooner or later. GO BREW CREW

    Reply
  75. Karan

    12 years ago

    Get well soon Waino ! Here’s hoping you have a speedy recover ahead. Hope to see you soon in the mix.
    Since I am praying about something I might as well hope that people mature and and don’t be ecstatic about the fact that he is not on your fantasy team. (He’s not on mine but hey its just a game).

    Reply
  76. CarterSemple

    12 years ago

    This is a total bummer man.

    Reply

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