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Latest On Yu Darvish

By Luke Adams 2 | November 16, 2011 at 6:11pm CDT

Although many are considering it a given that Yu Darvish will join the offseason's free agent class in the coming weeks, there's no guarantee that Darvish will be posted, as Yahoo's Jeff Passan wrote yesterday. Passan wonders if the right-hander might end up subtly protest NPB's posting system by remaining in Japan, and spoke to one general manager who has the same worries:

"I’m concerned we're not going to see him for a few more years," said the GM. "He's not your average Japanese player. I get the impression he wants to stand for something."

Here are the rest of the latest Darvish-related notes:

  • Not all GMs are concerned about Darvish staying in Japan. One who has scouted the 25-year-old for years told Passan, "He's coming. The money is too good. He makes [$7MM] there. He'll be guaranteed $50MM or $60MM here."
  • SI.com's Jon Heyman agrees, tweeting that Darvish is still "more likely than not" to be posted.
  • Hal Steinbrenner said the Yankees won't be affected by Kei Igawa's lack of success when deciding whether to bid on Darvish, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post.
  • Tom Verducci of SI.com cites Igawa and others when looking at some rocky NPB-to-MLB transitions in the past.
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  1. Carlos Menjivar

    14 years ago

    If Hal wants Darvish his going to be a yankees, that’s if he wants the most money which the Yankees will probably offer him.

    Reply
    • Matthew Ecker

      14 years ago

      Wow That’s crazy…those Yankees offering the most money. Carlos alert the media 

      Reply
    • chris hines

      14 years ago

      It doesn’t work that way. Darvish isn’t going to be a free agent with the ability to choose where he wants to go. Whichever teams submits the highest blind bid gets the exclusive negotiating rights with him, and if he doesn’t accept the numbers they offer he has to go back to Japan.

      Reply
    • renegadeisback

      14 years ago

      I love these type of comments. Why does MLBTR talkback for Free Agents even exist if apparently “YANKEES CAN OFFER MOST THAT’S ALL THAT MATTERS DERP”

      Reply
      • nestleraisinets

        14 years ago

        nah. It’s the Miami Marlins these days…

        Reply
      • hardcoreforhardcore

        14 years ago

        Well, in all fairness, when it comes to the posting system, that is pretty much all that matters.

        Reply
  2. Patrick the Pragmatist

    14 years ago

    Darvish is a world class star pitcher and it would cool to see him in the majors next year.

    Hopefully if he wants to pitch in the MLB he gets his chance sooner not later.

    A Japanese all-star team in the MLB would be cool.  But that can’t happen.

    Reply
  3. therednorth

    14 years ago

    Part of me wonders if the Yankees are just pumping up the market for Darvish so that other clubs will have less money to spend, a la Carl Crawford last season.

    Still, the Yankees could use pitching.

    Reply
  4. iains

    14 years ago

    But wouldn’t Darvish be smarter to just wait a year and be in for an even bigger payday by being a free agent?  1 year means the difference between his club getting an extra 50 million and him getting the 50 million

    Reply
    • chris hines

      14 years ago

      I think he has to wait 2 or 3 years before he is eligible to be a free agent under the Japanese rules.

      Reply
    • safari_punch

      14 years ago

      The FA marketing for starting pitching stinks this year. The younger he is, the less miles on his arm — even though he has quite a bit.

      This is the year to do it if he’s going to do it and maximize his earning potential long-term (this contract, plus a potential second contract).

      Reply
    • Commander_Nate

      14 years ago

      He’s not a free agent until 2014.

      Reply
  5. KyleB

    14 years ago

    CJ Wilson’s agent is the one spreading rumors about Darvish not being posted lol.

    Reply
  6. genius.gm.on.mlb.the.show

    14 years ago

    Why spend on this guy, he hasnt proved anything

    Reply
    • chris hines

      14 years ago

      Because his potential ceiling is the highest of anyone on the free agent market this year. Also when you look at salary counting towards the luxury tax he will cost less than CJ Wilson, while being 6 years younger than Wilson.

      He’s also by far and away the best prospect to ever come out of Japan, posting 5 straight seasons of a sub 2 ERA. If a prospect had posted his numbers even 2 years in a row in Triple A he would be the number 1 prospect in baseball.

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      • genius.gm.on.mlb.the.show

        14 years ago

        Yeah but the japanese league isnt impressive at all? Nishioka destroyed the japanese league and didnt do much this year. Darvish can dominate japanese league hitters, but big league hitters? Spending 50 million just to negotiate with a “prospect” then dishing out another 70 plus million. Besides Ichiro and Matsui, there isnt much credibility. I realize he has loads of potential for a prospect so big market teams can afford it

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        • Morley C

          14 years ago

          Well, Nishioka did kind of break his leg right at the beginning of the season.

          Reply
          • User 4245925809

            14 years ago

            I have a hard time understanding how NPB players break anything. They wear more armor at the plate than an M4A3 Sherman.

            Reply
            • Jax

              14 years ago

              He broke his leg in the field when someone slid into him trying to break up a double play.  They may wear armor at the plate, but not when they’re on defense.

              Reply
        • Ken Leder

          14 years ago

          While there has been notable pitching failures, I think Darvish is nothing close to someone like Daisuke or any other pitchers to come from Japan. Daisuke never had full season era below 2 while Darvish did it 5 consecutive years. And Darvish’s frame is your typical MLB power pitchers body with long lengthy arms which probably gives him more perceived velocity on top of his already plus velocity for a pitcher coming out of Japan (a bit skinny looking tho).

          I am more concerned about how Yu Darvish will hold up when he has to pitch every 5th day then his stuff. He has a filthy curveball of what little I saw of him too.

          Reply
          • chris hines

            14 years ago

            You hit the nail on the head for biggest adjustment for Japanese pitchers. Completely changing your in between starts routine and pitching every 5th day is the biggest hurdle any Japanese pitcher faces. There really is no way to know how someone will handle that until they do it.

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        • chris hines

          14 years ago

          The Japanese leagues is comparable to Triple A from all reports from scouts on the subject. I just think it would be silly to dismiss going after someone like Darvish because his countrymen who have nothing to do with him failed. It would be like signing Cespedes and him failing, then swearing off all Cubans from that point on. Or the same scenario with a Dominican or Canadian player. Each player has to be judged on his own merits and 5 straight years of a sub 2 ERA are some impressive merits.

          Besides Matsui and Ichiro Hiroki Kuroda has been a very valuable pitcher for the Dodgers, and while Hideo Nomo had his ups and downs I don’t think you can qualify his career as a failure.

          Reply
  7. Guest 6097

    14 years ago

    I know this is silly to ask and I’ll just put it out there. Could his hesitation be in part, that he is half Iranian? I apologize if that is a semi ignorant comment, but with the political spectrum being what it is, I just wonder if there is any outside (family) pressure. Probably incredibly unlikely this means anything, just a quick thought.

    Reply
    • chris hines

      14 years ago

      His dad is iranian and he met his mother in America at a liberal-arts school in St. Petersburg, Fla.

      Reply
      • Guest 6096

        14 years ago

        You know what you’re right. I didn’t want to ask, but was just curious considering whats going out there, outside of baseball. 

        Reply
        • chris hines

          14 years ago

          It’s a legitimate question to ask. 

          Reply
        • start_wearing_purple

          14 years ago

          There’s something outside of baseball?

          Reply
          • Guest 6095

            14 years ago

            Ha. Right. 

            Reply
          • Yankees420

            14 years ago

            I refuse to believe it.

            Reply
    • bla

      14 years ago

       In that case he can just come to the Toronto Blue Jays.

      Reply
  8. RangersFan1990

    14 years ago

    “He’s not your average Japanese player. I get the impression he wants to stand for something.”
    bahaha so most Japanese players don’t???

    Reply
    • chris hines

      14 years ago

      I found that a weird statement as well.

      Reply
    • jljr222

      14 years ago

      Well he wants to stand for more money.  Hell, I’ll stand for more money.  Sitting is overrated anyway.

      Reply
      • Encarnacion's Parrot

        14 years ago

        I bet you were sitting when you typed that comment, though 😉

        Reply
        • jljr222

          14 years ago

          Yea because no one will pay me to stand :(.

          Reply
  9. nestleraisinets

    14 years ago

    If darvish really likes to play to America, he should do it as soon as possible because japanese pitchers are already overused by their teams in japan by the year…

    Reply
    • Jay

      14 years ago

      And pitchers in MLB are babied and still get hurt.Wow MLB pitchers are so soft these days

      Reply
    • Ken Leder

      14 years ago

      I hear that Darvish was brought up rather slowly and carefully at least compared to guys like Daisuke who was literally beaten tell his arms fell off.

      Reply
      • Shu13

        14 years ago

        20yo 207ip
        21yo 200ip
        22yo 182ip
        23yo 202ip
        24yo ??? but I’ll speculate over 200 again

        doesn’t see like he was brought up slow to me…

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        • FriedCalamari

          14 years ago

          relative to another japanese pitcher, Matsuzaka. His arm was absolutely destroyed and overtaxed. It`s too bad, he could`ve amounted to so much more if managed better when he was younger.

          Reply
  10. Preston Flood

    14 years ago

    I LOVE Hal. Imagine he’s not going to let the singular bad experience with Igawa affect his decisions going forward. He’s going to rationally analyze each situation on it’s own merits. If he keeps Hankenstein and Levine at bay, Hal and Cashman + all the Yankee money can bring us back to the kind of dominance we enjoyed in the middle part of the 20th century.

    Reply
  11. optionn

    14 years ago

    I have a feeling Darvish is better than CJ Wilson.  Wilson is nothing special and I am a little surprised that clubs think he is any better than an innings eater #4 guy.

    Reply
    • Yankees420

      14 years ago

      #4 SP don’t generally post ERA’s below 3.4 for 200+ innings in consecutive seasons.

      Reply
  12. jessethegreat

    14 years ago

    This probably sounds off and unconventional, but If Darvish is used to pitching every 7 or 8 days or so, is it concievable for a team to keep him on that routine?

    I know they’d skip his regular spot in the rotation, but wouldn’t you rather have a situation he’s more used to in order to maximize his value in the rotation? In the MLB, you have a standard 5 man rotation, but if a team has a long reliever capable of spot starting here and there, I’d think about it. Give him his regular rest and keep his arm in its/his routine. It would obviously lower his “starting opportunities”, but it would also keep him fresh.  

    I guess what I’m getting at is, would you rather take 170 or so + innings from him at a premium, or go 200+ so-so innings?

    Reply
    • jessethegreat

      14 years ago

      I understand this would throw the rest of your rotation guys off their regularly scheduled starts, but imo, it would give you more of a 5.5 man rotation so to say, so it should lessen the tax on each starters arms.

      Reply
    • Jax

      14 years ago

      They pitch once a week in Japan.  So it’s 6 days rest, not 7 or 8.  

      Reply
  13. Preston

    14 years ago

    Darvish’s team in the NPB, the Nippon Ham Fighters, used a 5 man rotation for the second half of this season and pitched Yu on the same 4 days rest as MLB pitchers.

    Reply

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