Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle, MLB.com's Jane Lee, and Joe Stiglich of the Bay Area News Group bring us some Athletics-related tidbits out of Dallas…
- The Royals have some interest in Gio Gonzalez, and one scout views them as a good match for the A's, given Kansas City's deep farm system.
- GM Billy Beane has no reservations about trading with other teams in the AL West.
- Beane says he's had trade talks in some form with about half the teams in the league so far at the meetings.
- Hideki Matsui likely won't be back in Oakland, since the team has other in-house options and would like to "stay young."
- The A's will also be looking to stay young in trades, as they'd be targeting players younger than those they'd be dealing.
- Beane says the A's may explore short-term free agent signings to fill the club's outfield if he can't work out any trades.
- There's still no word on an official date for a decision on the team's stadium situation, but Beane remains optimistic that he'll hear soon.
- The A's discussed a deal with Laynce Nix before he signed with the Phillies.
Royals need starting pitching.
cool prediction derek
Now I see you edited your original post
50 bucks says they dont win the ws in 2016, in fact ill tell you what if they dont you give me 50 if they do ill give you 200.
Time now for the lame trade proposals. To get Gio the A’s are asking for a team’s TOP prospect plus more players. Remind you top not some low A ball player or some guy blocked by a better player. No old guys too anyone that is close too FA is not needed. The A’s do not need to trade Gio so unless it is a trade that favors the A’s please don’t apply.
Get off your high horse already. We all know the A’s don’t NEED to trade Gio but it’s what they always DO. No one is going to rob them but at the same time, it seems the A’s are motivated and with the number of pitchers on the market next year this might be the best time to do so.
I think the Royals should make an excellent partner for them. They have the talent to spare and might be able to sell high on some prospects they internally may not see as top mlb players but might still have high value based on their minor lge performances.
I think Beane actually admitting he wasn’t shopping anyone kind of says that they aren’t motivated. Can’t agree with you there. The Royals would have to really approach Beane with an offer like he got for Swisher from Kenny Williams all those years ago, and on that, almost any player on any team could be traded for a promising young outfielder and the best 2 pitching prospects on most teams’ farms.
So I don’t think Beane’s motivated at all unless there’s another motivated team coming to him first.
Its in response to these lame offers of a teams third best prospect and some 4th outfielder trade offers. Especially those saying Alonso or Morisson is to high of a cost for Gio.
Well…you’re both right….they always do, because some team always steps in and offers a huge package consisting of top prospects plus more players. Zito has been the only starter recently that wasn’t traded before hitting FA, and it’s probably because that was the one instance where Beane couldn’t find a trade partner willing to unload their farm.
I think Zito staying actually had more to do with the A’s playoff push at the time (ha, remember those?).
I know you’re generally a fair yankee fan. What do you think it takes for gio.
Gardner
Mason Williams
Betances
Romine
Warren
Maybe Banuelos instead of bets?
Edit: Actually Maybe too much for a guy who walked the most guys in the league this past year, after posting his best walk rate.
Gio had one of those years where you know he’s finally started figuring it out and will be a beast next year. He had one of those calm before the storm kind of years.
And did you just frown on someone for lowering their walk rate? That’s always a good thing. I think the A’s get Montero from the Yankees in any deal with them though and Gardner would have to be high up on the list too, but those two seem a little too much for Gio…maybe throw in Grant Green to even up the deal?
There’s no denying the fact that the walk rate is still terrible. IT WAS THE WORST IN THE LEAGUE.
In terms of the trade, I don’t see the yankees trading Montero for gio under any circumstances. the A’s need OF anyway, gardner has a lot of value to them. Gardner, Bets, Mason Williams, give or take would be a pretty solid deal in my mind.
I just ran a list of every pitcher who threw over 50 innings, and Gio finished about 60th place overall, so yelling “IT WAS THE WORST IN THE LEAGUE” isn’t actually proving anything or even making a point. Jonathan Sanchez had about 2 full walks/9 year than Gio. Its like, every once in a while Gio will walk a guy, then get 3 outs, it doesnt even hurt him, but as the rate comes down further he’s going to be elite-level sooner than later.
The fact of the matter is, Gio Gonzalez is about to explode, and if it takes the A’s holding onto him like they did with Haren, for Gio to get a Haren-haul, then thats what they can do. The Yankees absolutely are including Montero in any package and if not, then they aren’t trading with the A’s.
First of all, please take Gardner out of the equation. Why people treat him like he’s a prospect and not one of the best OF’s over the last 2 years (5th in WAR behind Bautista, Hamilton, Holliday and Braun). I know a large part of his WAR stems from his defense, but still. I AM NOT SAYING HE’S WORTH MORE THAN GIO but certainly he is not a throw in.
It’s hard to say. I have an affinity towards Montero, Bans and Bets. That being said, Bets and anyone else other than the other two I just mentioned, Mason Williams, Cito Culver, Gary Sanchez and Ravel Santana. Any other pick 3 I would be open to. Bichette wouldn’t be “tradeable” because he was just drafted but that leaves plenty of decent arms at AAA and some good position players below A+.
They are below the radar because they are so young but depending on what scouts say Isiah Tejada, Claudio Castillo, Angelo Gumbs, Tyler Austin, Ben Gamel and Ray Flores might be interesting prospects to Beane as well.
I disagree with the type of players the A’s will trade for. I think the A’s have quite a few players that match the description “may not see as top mlb players but might still have high value based on their minor lge performances” Brandon Allen and Kila match this description and the A’s traded a relief pitcher and a good SP prospect for them.
I think the A’s are looking for young guys with high potential that they can afford to wait 4 years for them to be ready for the majors.
Guys in the mold of Wil Meyers and Nolan Arenado.
I don’t think either the Royals or A’s are ready to take the next step forward so probably a trade won’t happen between these teams this year.
to tha cubs 4 trevor gretzky. thank me later dawg.
The A’s don’t play hockey buddy wrong sport
trevor gretzky was drafted by the cubs this year…you’re thinking wayne
Even if we look past this ridiculous proposal, a player must be with his team for at least a year before being traded.
deal bailey and gio to the royals for some good prospects we dont want to have to sign older outfielders
Gio isn’t going anywhere. Period. Teams don’t want to give up TOP prospects and Beane doesn’t want less than TOP prospects. I believe the A’s know the answer to San Jose hence why they are trying to stay young and give the Minor league players some time in the majors…just a hunch
That is the feeling I get too. He’s just buying his time til he has to deal with angry fallout from the Giants for rights to San Jose. Going young was pretty much his projected outcome for getting the green light for SJ
Agreed with this, especially saying now if he makes moves, its going to be for AA and A+ prospects, that’s a big tip that SJ has the go-ahead.
And I don’t think the Giants will be too angry, I’m sure they will be dramatically overcompensated in some ridiculous “Selig-ian” way. I’m sure no matter what happens, A’s fans will probably be really angry with what the Giants get, and someone will probably say they were worse off by moving, haha
Eric hosmer for Gio Gonzalez.
thats actually a very good deal it would fit both teams needs
Pass the Dutchie on the left hand side.
I think the Royals can cover Hosmer with Clint Robinson or any FA. They can’t get anyone like Gio on the open market. I like that deal for both teams but the A’s might have to throw in a minor leaguer because its more years for Hosmer…but its where both teams should start.
wil myers or lorenzo cain and chris dwyer + to start?
Myers is not going anywhere
He might be for Gio Gonzalez, the instant true ace the Royals need.
then neither is gio, have fun with sanchez and chen
While I 100% agree with you, have fun with, I can’t name a single OF for the team. Michael Taylor?? Ryan Sweeney?? Kyle Blanks???
you just named 2…
I would say Hosmer for Gio+prospect to start.
i know hosmer is like, 20x better than their options at first, but the a’s have a logjam there nonetheless and since outfield is a need, and wil myers is close to mlb ready, i’d hope the a’s are asking for him, or at least lorenzo cain, to start a package.
Right, I would think Myers, Cain and Dwyer would be some of the names on the table at some point.
When does Clint Robinson become a minor league FA? Must be a bummer being him when he’s so good at AAA and knowing he only has a shot if Hosmer gets hurt. I bet a bunch of teams would take Robinson for free and play him everyday immediately.
I’ll trade you Cain for Gio right now. As far as Hosmer goes, no f’ing way the Royals trade him.
would for sure have to be cain, robinson, plus some high upside arms, or myers, robinson, plus a couple low-mid level arms, not cain for gio straight up
Robsinson has barely any trade value because KC hasn’t even tested him out in the bigs yet. He’s a massive risk, and if the A’s were trade for him it would probably be for Moscoso.
I doubt A’s would even want robinson for a mccarthy or moscoso even. Robinson will turn age 27, adding another 1b/dh type i doubt is on their priority list.
yeah, i’m including him as a for-sure major league ready piece.
something like cain, robinson, odorizzi (probably a little much)
or
myers, robinson, billo, will smith
something along those lines…
The 27 year old Clint Robinson will never be involved in a deal for Gio Gonzalez. Beane just said he wants younger players for the ones he has, if he wants anything at all.
I think its kind of cool that he just tipped his hand that he’s only looking for A and AA players in a trade, which means San Jose is happening.
Does anyone have any insight on his baserunning/fielding/etc.? Is he competent as a 1B, or is he a DH standing next to a base?
He seems like he could cut it as an everyday 1B, he just has absolutely no place in Oakland at all. The A’s have four 1B who are all about as good as him in various ways, they’d need to acquire a franchise-type 1B in a trade to knock those four off the depth chart, like Hosmer or Montero, not Robinson.
also saw your reply above, maybe myers, robinson, and a couple mid or low level arms
take robinson out of your trade proposals, he’ll be 27. He’s older than carter, allen, and barton. A yr younger than kila.
he’s also a better hitter than them and under team control longer
and you are allowed to make this assumption based off zero big league plate appearances?
There is no way the Royals trade Hosmer for Gio… They would move Butler before they ever thought of moving Hosmer…
Myers will be the guy if a deal is done…
lorenzo cain is only a yr younger than gio, imagine that. cain will be age 26 by opening day, doesnt do anything really for the A’s “rebuild”.
Age has (almost) nothing to do with rebuilding. MLB service time does.
In the A’s situation it does. They want to get younger to gear up for a potential move to san jose. Not trade for gonna be age 26 and 27 yr old hitters like cain/robinson as trade centerpieces. If thats the plan they are better off just giving their own players like carter, barton, taylor, allen, sweeney, kila, donaldson, etc chances. To bridge the gap for a grant green, michael choice later on
Could see this happening, wonder if the A’s ask for Moustakas in a package for Gio.
i’m pretty sure moustakas and hosmer are off limits if the a’s want a package back from the royals
then gio is off limits too, whoever doesnt get wilson/buehrle might see gio as a more cost effective option as long as they have the prospects for a good offer. A’s trade gio annytime between now and the 2015 trade deadline. No use for them to accept an inferior offer, Replacing a healthy, #2 type SP 200 innings/yr is hard to replace
A 21 year old Superstar 1st basemen is harder to replace for a team like the Royals. Nobody is getting Hosmer. NOBODY! Nationals could trade Strasburg to us right now and Hosmer would be off limits.
-Your overrating Gonzalez a little bit. He did have a mid 4 ERA away from Oakland
we are overrating gonzalez really? why dont you look at his stats im pretty sure his stats are better than anyone’s on the royals staff
1st full 2 seasons road era
2011- 3.62
2010- 3.92
no ones forcing you to take gio, its the royals who approached the A’s not the other way around.
Enjoy chen and sanchez leading your rotation. hopefully kc can break .500 for 2nd in 17 years, good luck
Wow, i’ve seen some ridiculous trade proposals on here, but these A’s fans are just laughable.
i’m pretty sure we arent the team that has bruce chen leading the pitching staff
Don’t forget Jonathan Sanchez! He threw a no hitter! lol
How does that red herring taste?
Wow, I’ve seen some Royals homers before, but the ones on here are just laughable.
what would you propose then?
Never proposed a trade scenario, but the Royals are obviously not giving up any position players for Gio. Hosmer or Mouse? Get real.
your pitching staff? Get real.
Same thing A’s fans say not giving up Gio for some 5th best prospect. Maybe Lenny DiNardo is better for the royals.
future ace vin mazzaro maybe
sanchez is actually their “ace” even worse. who was a 4th starter in the nl, ask giants fans if they’ll miss that headcase lol
haha ya i forgot about sanchez even worse haha wait till theses royals fans see this guy pitch haha
Billy Beane has made trade talks with half the league? Either 1 of 2 things is happening, 1-he’s having way too much free coffee or 2-he’s really eager to make a trade, who knows, maybe it’s both
3-Sports reporters exaggerate or make up rumors on slow news days
As an A’s fan, there is no way Hosmer or Moustakas are involved in any Gio trade. Myers, Cuthbert + 2 A-Ball Prospects of the A’s choosing. The A’s received Carlos Gonzalez, Brett Anderson, Chris Carter + 3 prospects for three years of Dan Haren. This seems pretty similar for 4 years of Gio Gonzalez. Maybe this time Beane won’t give up so quick on a real rebuild.
cut that haren deal in half
cargo, anderson, carter at the time and its probably better than that proposed kc trade
forget including smith, eveland, cunningham (who were more than serviceable deal additions themselves)
seems about right, a couple arms like billo and will smith?
Myers is going nowhere. Maybe Duffy/Monty plus Cuthbert and Gia
not saying thats a bad offer, but A’s trade pitching for more pitching. A high upside lower minors hitter, and another 2b. That doesnt exactly fill any of their needs
Why are all my fellow Royals fans thinking they won’t move Myers for a top of the rotation starter? Myers is good piece to move if you consider what we already have in the OF for the next few years…Sometimes you have to move someone that you THINK may be a special player to get what you need at the time which for the Royals is a top of the rotation starter…
KC offer may be a 5-1 deal:
LHP: Robbie Erlin
RHP: Simon Castro
OF: Jaff Decker [LHB]
3b: Jedd Gyorko [MLB Top 10 3rd Base Prospects (#9)
C: Jason Hagerty [fills in between Suzuki and young (20) Max Stassi]
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A’s may insist on getting Casey Kelly [MLB Top 50 Prospects (#14) | Top
10 RHP Pitcher Prospects (#5)], but he was the key to the trade of
Adrian Gonzalez; if the Padres relent, then add one other player from
the above list.
Matsui’s a good grab for someone