3:25pm: Ramirez did not ask to have his contract restructured and is not getting traded, Marlins president David Samson told Ken Rosenthal.
3:10pm: The Marlins didn't seem interested in trading new third baseman Hanley Ramirez at today's Jose Reyes press conference, but ESPN's Buster Olney says they're now looking to move Hanley after his agent asked for a restructured contract. Olney says that if the Marlins can move the $46.5MM owed to Ramirez over the next three years, they hope to use that money on Prince Fielder.
Ramirez, 27, had the worst season of his career in 2011, slumping to .243/.333/.379 in 385 plate appearances. His shortstop defense is considered below-average. Still, it was just a year ago that Hanley was a four-to-seven wins above replacement player.
Wow they almost have to sign Albert now.
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why? hanley was not even their 3rd best hitter…
not last year, but other than last year Hanley has been an elite player. Definitely have to worry about his attitude though.
Marlins could mess this up: Add (overpay for) Reyes, not get Albert, and lose Hanley.
which leads me to wonder…why did they even sign Reyes?
If he wasn’t okay with it, and said so, why did they do it? Now move Reyes to 2B to make Hanley happy, and Infante to 3B?
This should be interesting.
Purely selfish. Instead of being happy for the betterment of the team, he is concerned about him and him only. I hope he goes to the Astros.
That’s exactly it though. Who wants this guy? Not that good at defense, had a really down year and isn’t a team player.
The House of Outcasts (Rogers Centre) oughta be one possible destination
He has no spot in Toronto unless you move Yunel to 2nd or trade him. And neither seems likely. If Han Ram gets moved Miami is going to get raked over the coals.
Moving Yunel has been an idea mooted among the fanbase for quite some time now. Not many seem to project him as a long-term SS.
Between Lawrie, Escobar and Bautista you have a lot of positional flexibility. I wouldn’t ink in many of the positions just yet.
ironically, he’s probably a really valuable asset…at third base
all true – but he is talented. The SF Giants would gladly take him
this makes me wish the cubs had an opening at short, we’ve already go Castro and it doesn’t sound like Hanley will want to move over to 3rd.
cubs don’t have the prospects to get hanley even if SS was available
In a straight up trade you would be right, sounds like they want to move him, and depending on who bites it might just take salary relief and some pitching.
Though i’d be wary of bringing in someone who only seems slightly less selfish/arrogant than Milton Bradley.
Good decision, his value has never been higher…
He’s now the best shortstop on the market.
Hence the 3 dots after my statement.
I find it hard to believe. I think we should wait until all the dust settles before we speculate anything. I think we need to wait for Reyes and Ozzie to talk to Hanley further as well.
That sounds very optimistic. Really though, this is hard to believe?
Hence the username…and yeah I find it hard to believe that a guy who is having a team built around him wanting get out.
Triple Hawpes Brewed
What a headcase!
Well, er… Hm… Awkward.
Who would want this guy?? He’s the very definition of “clubhouse cancer.”
A “clubhouse cancer” who will give you minimum 4 WAR when healthy?
I’ll take two, thanks. I’m more than content to start the season with Scutaro at shortstop, but I would certainly peak in on Hanley if he was made available (Mind you, I think this report is probably bunk).
Hanny being Hanny
lol if this is true…what a putz! (and not JJ)
Hanley, Coghlan, Oviedo, and Dominguez for Felix Hernandez.
And here we go.
You can take Hanley and Oviedo, but forget about Coghlan and Dominguez.
I personally think this is the best thing for the Marlins to do, if the reports are true and the can bring in C.J Wilson they will have a 1,2 punch that can pretty much equal any other in the league. Then you obtain a good pitcher for Hanley and use that excess money on Prince… Scary team honestly…The worst case scenario for me as a Braves Fan
You think Wilson/Johnson = Halladay/Lee?
Pretty sure he didn’t say that at all.
He said exactly that though
Well when i see “pretty much” i dont automatically think “omg hes talking about Lee/Halladay” and until BraveCrowe (who wrote it) says, “Thats exactly what I’m saying” I’m sticking to my original post.
I suppose “Pretty Much” means better than now?
No I never said it was better than the Phils’ starting two, but for the love of God give Johnson some credit, Wilson is pretty dirty too. didn’t mean to stir up the all seeing philly fans
Well when did I say “better”? I said equal to. Johnson would be great if he could actually last a full season and Wilson is highly overrated, which is why a 6 year deal for him seems so outrageous this offseason. I wasn’t accusing you of saying anything, I was simply asking you if you thought they were equal
No I don’t think they are equals, but you’d be hard pressed to find two other starters that would have the same talent, a healthy Johnson is comparable to any starter in the league, in my own mind. Lee is no doubt better than Wilson
He said “pretty much” any other in the league. Geez haha, why do you guys always get so defense when people compare Halladay and Lee to other pitchers?
Johnson can take on Halladay any day. The big reason why Halladay got that perfect game was an error by the Marlins defense allowed the Phillies’ only run. The rest of the game, JJ and Halladay were trading zeroes.
Wilson/Lee, on the other hand, advantage Lee.
What about those 10-15 starts per year that Johnson doesn’t even trot out to the mound due to injury? Surely, Halladay has the advantage on those days.
White Sox for Alexei, Beckham, Danks, Floyd, and B prospects.. lol
Why am I not remotely surprised by this? I know it’s all about business but seriously, how selfish and arrogant can you get? Thank the almighty that the Braves have already said no. We just got rid of a hot-shot arrogant young shortstop so we don’t need another one.
As a Jays fan I want to thank you for the hot-shot “arrogant” young shortstop. He is working out nicely for us.
Because the first trade worked so well…
To the giants? They need a SS pretty bad
For Cain and change?
Giants dont have enough — it would take Gary Brwon, Brandon Belt, Heath Hembree + more
Well, the Giants do have some pretty nice starters…
We would trade prospects — regardless, it isnt going to happen
After the year that Ramirez had and the three years and $46.5MM remaining on his contract, there is no way that he would fetch that much in trade. His value is about as low as it could possibly be right now.
That is factoring in his down year. Hanley is 27 yrs old, has won a batting title, and is averaging 25 HR / 40 SBs. He is a building block
Marlins eat some salary and rays deal Shields and several other prospects for him….wont happen but would be nice
Talk about one step forward, two steps back…
Jamie Garcia for Hanley Rameriz who loses?
Marlins by a long shot.
Triple Hawpes Brewed
You, for proposing that trade
He figured out the perfect way to request a trade without officially requesting one: “I want more money.”
Marlins “You’re gone.”
I think its reasonable for him to request compensation for moving but he’s showing his true colors. He’s a diva.
Marlins fans knew that a long time ago. Biggest diva moment is when he kicked the ball. Fredi Gonzalez was fired shortly afterward.
Jimmy Rollins took his benching from Charlie like a man. Ramirez cried about it and it lead to the manager losing his job, terrible.
Hope he realizes this is what’s best for the team and that eventually he’s going to have to change positions.
I thought he and jose were Friends and he was pushing for them to sign him…. Sounds like jeter and arod all over again
This guy is a CANCER! How pathetic is it that he’s coming off his worst season, and they bring in a dynamic player to play with him and he wants out when it looks like they are actually going to be a strong team. Not to mention the half hearted efforts he gives out in the field.
Someone will pay a lot for him hoping last season was an outlier, but it may not be. This also sucks bad for the Marlins who were really baking on having two elite infielders. Losing HRam and getting Reyes is an upgrade but not a huge one.
With all the conflicting inside and outside sources I don’t know what to believe. That’s pretty selfish though to refuse to move to 3rd base like everyone’s been saying.
Giants jump on this and get it done. Three team trade with A’s and Marlins. Send A’s outfield help (Peguero and Brown) and anything they want while A’s trade Gio Gonzalez to Marlins. Giants receive Ramirez to play SS. Lineup for Giants respectable and good for 2012 season.
I don’t think Beane wants to get raped in a trade.
No way is Gary Brown going anywhere. I like Peguero too.
A’s lose pretty big there, no?
Miami obviously is not accustomed to the world of signing big name free agents and then dealing with mixing massive egos. Good luck in Miami with Reyes and maybe a pitcher or two.
Rays for Upton/Davis? Because put Zobrist at 1B,Reid B. or Rodriguez at 2B and Jennings in CF.
The contract is too much for Rays to handle.
Not if Marlins kick in a little. If Marlins kick in say, 3-5 mil a year, and if the return was say, James Shields, I think both teams would have to consider that. Rays have already allotted 28.5 mil for Shields in the next 3 years. Ramirez is at 45. If Rays commitment to Ramirez can get around that 30-35 mark, I believe this could be a “Rafael Soriano” type of financial exception.
zobrist loses too much value at 1b.
Possible fits in my eyes:
-Cardinals (probably only if they miss out on Pujols)
-Giants? (do they have the money?)
Giants will have the money and will open up the wallets for this one. They have a reported “rainy” day fund for Lincecum and Cain. Ramirez will open open up that fund for this case I think.
you have to think in the tigers they have money and they have been linked to ramirez in the past!
Yeah that’s a good one.
Let’s do what we thought all along, Hanley & Pujols will eventually play together…in St. Louis! Who would it take to get him though? Pujols?
Excellent. St. Louis signs Pujols and just when everyone thinks he plays in St. Louis, the Cardinals and Marlins stun everyone by announcing a trade: Pujols for Hanley + Cash.
I don’t see the Marlins trading with the Nats or Phillies.
If they do this they need to grab Albert. Huge loss to the offense. The return would also not be as good because most probably don’t see him as a shortstop anymore. A bad year last year also doesn’t help. This Loria’s fault. He made this mess and now he doesn’t want to deal with it.
If the Brewers trade for Hanley and don’t re-sign Yuni B I would never need another Christmas present again. Ever.
Not even new socks or anything
doubt the Brew Crew has the prospects anymore. The Brew crew would either have to give up pitching or hitting currently in their everyday lineup. A Rickie Weeks and Casey McGeehee for Hanley Ramirez and Omar Infante doesnt seem too far off.
Actually a very good partner. Do the Brewers have what the Marlins would seek though? They’d have to take on the whole contract and give up at least three pieces. I think Green is an interesting piece. One of Thornburg or Peralta would have to be included.
u glad bro?
Come on Nats, let’s do this!
Hahahahahahaha this is to funny who didn’t see this coming honestly. Maybe the Mets will trade for him they can have Murphy. U mean supposively he will be a good 3b so it will work for them
The last thing the Mets need right now is a clubhouse cancer.
I know they’d never want to trade their all-star SS within their division, but I feel like the Phillies should pump their breaks on the Rollins signing and give this a look first
Hamels for Hanley…str8 up.
I’d do it. I doubt the Marlins would. With all the guys we have in the clubhouse, I doubt Hanley would screw that up. It’s not going to happen though.
I’d peg the Mariners as the favorite with all that young pitching they have.
Hamels is only under team control for one more year compared to Hanley’s three.
Hamels will be a free agent next year.
Not good for Hanley. He is already remembered for jogging after the ball down down the left field line and subsequent run in with the manager. Now he’s pouting when they ask him to change positions.
A player like this can be poison in the club house. Buyer beware!
They’re trying to surround him with all this talent and he goes of betchen and moaning. Of course. Ship em out!
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What a shame. I hate it when great players let their ego get the best of them.
Restructured? he was getting 15-16m each year from 2012-2014.. All “restructured” meant was more $$$.
Loria should tell Ramirez he wants his gold chain back and also.. He is not going to smooth things over this time should he go over the edge with regards to management, other players etc…
Dear Ben Cherrington,
I now know what I want for Christmas.
Bring Hanley back!!!
Ellsbury for Hanley!
A big “HA!”.
I want to see RAJ get creative and trade Hamels, trade for Gio, and trade for Hanley.
Phillies fans sound more and more like Yankee fans with every offseason.
Phillies fans always AMAZE me…. ahahahaha
The Giants should try to trade Bumgarner, a decent prospect, and Zito (and eat a good chunk of his remaining contract) for Ramirez.
Very bad deal for Giants.
He would fit in good with the Brewers and add to the long list of D bags that have played for them over the past couple of years
you hear that…thats the sound of thousands of boston fans getting raging hard-ons all at the same time.
I wouldn’t call it “raging,” but I’m at least given pause.
The last part of this post makes no sense. They have the money for Pujols+Reyes+Hanley, but not the money for Fielder+Reyes+Hanley so they’re going to move Hanley? Come on, they’re just dumping him because he wants out and won’t move to third.
There’s a lot more money in sponsor deals and ticket sales with Pujols in Miami than there is for Prince because of the Latin market there. The entire Marlins push behind trying to sign Pujols was that they were going to market him internationally in order to bring in extra revenue. Prince doesn’t do that for them. From a baseball perspective, I def like Prince more than Pujols.
It is assumed that they sign Wilson or Buehrle if they don’t get Pujols. If they sign a pitcher, there isn’t enough money for Prince, unless they trade Hanley first.
Sounds like they’re trying to sign one or the other either way.
I say words.
To the Sox for Reddick and Lowrie!!! Hahahaha Red Sox fans and their proposals…
Anyway the Mets take a chance on him? I know the Marlins asking price would be huge considering trading him within the division, but maybe a package started out with Neise?
Anyway the Mets get in on this? I know the Marlins asking price would be huge, considering they’d be trading him within the division. Package started out with Neise maybe?
“i hear we are going to get pujols and wilson to go with reyes and bell and johnson and stanton and lomo
sounds lame. get me outta here”
Good, Prince has a reputation for putting team first and leaving everything he has on the field. Thats something Hanley could never understand. Good luck to whoever gets stuck with Hanley “Me First” Ramirez
Anyway the Mets get in on this? I know the Marlins asking price would be huge. Package started out with Niese maybe?
Why would the Marlins trade Ramirez to the Mets? How would the Mets be able to afford Hanley and an extension but not Jose Reyes?
this could be good for them and hanley, and for the potential trade partner. Take the reds. send him and Josh Johnson to cincy for votto and homer bailey or travis wood and edinson volquez. Hanley is possibly to motivate himself to once again prove his value, and earn the next contract. and the Marlins get their 1st baseman, one that is as good a hitter as pujols and a better defender. not to mention much younger. While losing Josh Johnson hurts, he is also injury prone. The reds would have a front line starter they covet, Alonso a position, and the marlins would also have Multiple rotation candidates with good stuff along with payroll flexibility for atleast 2 years (votto is a free agent after and would cost much less than pujols, is also a florida resident).
1. Why on Earth would the Marlins do this when they are already after Fielder and Sanchez is still capable?
2. Wood and Volquez suck
3. No guarantee Votto would re-sign
1. Votto is better overall and cheaper than fielder.
2. Wood has good upside but if they dont like him bailey is another option, Volquez has great stuff when harnassed.
3. No guarantee he resigns, but the payroll flexibility allows them to sign CJ Wilson and Mark Buehrle if they would choose to do so while still having plenty of money left over to offer to Votto in an extension.
4. it also rids them of an unhappy player and potential hazard to the clubhouse.
not saying it is ideal, but an option. No way cincy does it straight up for Votto, and Nolasco is not good enough as a side kick. If, and i realize it is a big if, Volquez finds consistency he is top of the rotation type of starter. Horrible season, mental lapses, absolutely great stuff.
They aren’t trading JJ and getting those terrible SPs back…get real bro.
Don’t the Red’s have a kid named Billy Hamilton? Zach Cozart?
you’re close dude but not quite. Trade Votto and Cueto/Arroyo for Hanley and LoMo. The whole perk of this deal is that they can afford Hanley at his salary for the next 3 seasons while realistically they would not have been able to afford Votto after next season. Rotate Alonso and LoMo at 1b/LF keeping their legs rested. Reds lineup.
That’s a really good looking lineup core to have locked up for the next three seasons at least, assuming they work out an extension with Phillips. If not, they still have Billy Hamilton waiting in the wings
So the Marlins will get either Buehrle or Wilson, trade Hanley to fill 3B or CF or SP and gain salary space to make a run at Fielder. Should they sign Fielder they’ll then be discussing trades for Gaby Sanchez, who they’ll hope to use to again fill the 3B or CF holes. Quite the chain reaction from hell if you ask me.
Ya, I don’t really get what’s going on here. They’re just tryin to replace their already capable players. They should’ve spent the $$ on signing Beurhle and Wilson. I think a trade for Garza could be interesting here…if they are dealing Sanchez
It is very, very close.
Yea uh no… Giants are not gonna trade Mad Bum you tool.
Mad Bum? Seriously? Who are you calling a tool anyways?
Hanley would be a great fit for the Tigers, although he’d be a better fit if he’d play third.
wow now this has gotten interesting!! Lets see if this really takes off
Red Sox have always wanted this guy back…they need 3B…Build a deal around Youk and a few prospects. Lowrie can play third and scutaro can has trade value. This wouldn’t even add much payroll get this deal done!!!
The whole point is that he doesn’t want to play 3rd…
hes saying he would play SS in boston..but originally i thought the same as you
Yeah my bad really dont know how I missed that sentence lol.
Alexei, Beckham, Danks, and Floyd for Hanley and prospects. I refuse to believe the White Sox are rebuilding.
I assume this is a joke. Alexei Ramirez has better numbers, better contract, and is a good clubhouse guy. But this does seem like a typical KW trade
Michael J. Loera
They have the opportunity to be pretty good at the beginning of the
lineup with #1)Reyes, #2)Benefacio, #3)Ramirez, #4)Stanton. It sounds
pretty legit, but take Ramirez away and it doesn’t really have the same
sparkle to it. They should say no and force him to play 3rd, if he
doesn’t play well because of personal reasons then its on him and he’ll get a crap contract next time around. I know baseball is JUST A GAME to us, it’s a job to them. Just because you’re working in a crap department doesnt mean you can pout and complain to management so they’ll move you somewhere else. It doesnt work that way, he needs to stop being a baby and get over it. It’s Kobe(Ramirez) and Shaq(Reyes) all over again.
TWINS…I can dream, right?
There goes the dream team. They actually managed to make their team worse if he is indeed on the block.
Hanley Ramirez and Gabby Sanchez to the Cleveland Indians for Asdrubal Cabrera, Raffy and Chris Perez, and pitching prospect Jeanmar Gomez. Works well for both teams.
Rosenthal says that Samson says Hanley didn’t ask for a restructured deal and reiterated he won’t be dealt. Everything is speculation/rumor and the truth is no one has any idea of what’s going on except the Marlins and Hanley. Let the dust settle, I say.
Michael J. Loera
ORRRRR you could just get Reyes and Ramirez drunk together and they’ll become friends and be over this whole thing
orr da ganja..just put some bob marley on and everything will be alright
That’s pure madness right there…acting like a diva when the team you are on is doing a lot to get BETTER…but what does Hanley do? Take his glove and say he’s going home…Hanley=Anti-Tulo…
#Marlins prez Samson: Hanley did not ask for contract to be restructured. Hanley not getting traded. Hanley critical part of team. #MLB
Heh, like how you guys said “new” third baseman.
Rosenthal tweet and numerous other statements from the Marlins show they don’t want to trade Hanley, and Hanley doesn’t want to be traded. I don’t know why everyone insists on keeping this story alive.
His value has never been lower, therefore they’ll never get what they want for him, and he’ll be stuck in Miami without his position.
That said, he’s probably the one player I’d consider moving Castellanos for if I’m David Dombroski. Who knows? Maybe being with Cabby again will motivate him to have better at-bats next year?
The Dodgers could use a third baseman. Just sayin.
The Marlins are looking to sign Fielder if the Pujols deal falls through. They will sign either Wilson or Beurhle, and then trade Hanley for another starting position player like Ellibury,Bruce, or another pitcher like Gio.
well now who knows what’s true. but marlins should’t rush this. Hanley is still a sick talent, and they should realise that, and wait for other teams to realise it before they trade him.
Thank you for spending the last of the trading chips from the farm on Hunter Pence, who was clearly more of a “want” than a “need” last year. Without him, we would have won the NL East and gotten beat in the NLDS. With him, we did that anyway. Now, when opportunity presents itself to upgrade at a position where we actually have a need, our rainy day fund is dryer than a rosin bag.
Monday morning QB at it’s finest………..
The twitter chess match continues.
Hanley just said on his Twitter : “Waooo few crazy things out there … I’m enjoying my family and prepare mentally and physically for the next season:) ”
People need to stop taking these rumors so serious and assume instantly they are correct. Let the kid say something before you judge. Don’t be ignorant.
Hanley was hurt … if healthy , he’s an MVP top 10
Somehow I’ve got a feeling that he’s gonna get traded sooner or later. Really hope the Yanks are able to snag him…