The latest on the Pirates…
- The Pirates still have money to spend and their top priority is a starting pitcher, writes Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. About three weeks ago, the Pirates signed Erik Bedard and released Ross Ohlendorf. Paul Maholm, who made 26 starts for the Bucs this year, is expected to sign elsewhere. The list of unsigned free agent starters remains robust as December draws to a close.
- The Pirates are looking to compete in 2012, president Frank Coonelly told Bill Brink of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Coonelly says the team's focus has shifted to improving the Major League club. Payroll is expected to be up from last year's $42MM mark; I have them pegged for about that amount already before accounting for minimum salary players or future additions. Coonelly indicated that once the Pirates reach the point of having one glaring need, they're more likely to pursue an expensive impact free agent. Click here to read Coonelly's full comments.
- The Pirates' portfolio approach has resulted in $20.75MM worth of commitments to four players so far: Clint Barmes ($10.5MM), Bedard ($4.5MM), Rod Barajas ($4MM), and Nate McLouth ($1.75MM). Jake Fox, Ryota Igarashi, Jose Morales, Shairon Martis, Tim Wood, Jeff Clement, Nick Evans, Anderson Hernandez, and Brandon Boggs have signed minor league deals.
wow……pirates are REALLY breaking the bank now!!
Ross broke up with his fiance when he became a “big-shot” major leaguer….funny to see him get released.
Joe Saunders, Edwin Jackson, Paul Maholm. In that order.
Roy Oswalt, Edwin Jackson, or Joe Saunders please.
That is the 3 I want too….
I think Oswalt makes a lot of sense for both sides. Without Fielder or Pujols, the NL Central is a great spot for Oswalt to rebuild his value on a one year deal, and he could bring in some prospects for the Pirates at the deadline.
oswalt isnt coming to the burgh
He might come to the Burgh during interleague play or a bit more often if he signs with an NL team.
Oswalt: My main focus is to be on a competing team.
Agent: How about them Pirates????
Oswalt: No but seriously…..
Agent: Come on man……they already gave me free stuff. Work with me here.
Oswalt: No seriously….return the Ipad I’m not going.
Agent: My bad. Done. Its in the mail. You won’t hear another word about them.
Oswalt: Its ok ill get you one.
Agent: Ok the usual then?
Oswalt: Competitors you know Sox, Rangers, Yanks, Reds, Marlins, Angels, Cleve, Tigers, Brewers, Cards, and Arizona.
Agent: Mets?
Oswalt: Please stop.
Agent: Ok Ok!
The more I think about it, it DOES make sense for Oswalt to sign with the Pirates. Mid season if he puts up good numbers, he’ll be traded to a contender for some prospects. A win-win all the way around. Oswalt plays for a winning team and the Pirates continue their rebuilding process.
Even without Pujols and Fielder, the NL Central does still have the last two NL MVP’s in Braun and Votto….not to mention Holliday and Berkman.
Braun is out for awhile and it’s going to be harder to hit without Fielder in the lineup.
with Braun out for a while, the Reds and Cards, depending on their pitching, look to be frontrunners. one more starter could do wonders for the bucs chances next season
This coming year is probably their best chance to clinch Central considering what is going on with the other teams. Yours for the taking Neil. Sign a QUALITY pitcher.
takes two to sign on the dotted line, bruthah
Maybe the Pirates need to sign someone who can forge signatures first.
They should trade for Wandy. The Astros are leaving the NL next year and aren’t competitive now so it makes sense.
That won’t happen. Wandy is expensive on 2 levels. He has a large salary and requires a large return. At this point I could see the Pirates spending big money rather than sending a large group of prospects away.
the pirates would prefer a 1 or 2 year deal for a starting pitcher, which means no prospects to trade… im all for trading prospects, but maybe wait until the trade deadline to see if we’re in the race or not.
Likely not.
Reds had a good year last season
Hmm…The Pirates had a good last 20 years.
I think another lefty would help…Maholm is welcome in my book
Is Ohlendorf injured, not any good or has he lost his desire to compete?
does it matter? he’s gone.
It matters to me as I have an interest in Ivy League baseball and he played at Princeton. He only started a handful of games in ’11 after starting a combined 50 the previous 2 years with a combined ERA of 4.00.
If he was not injured I thought it might be interesting to see the Red Sox sign him to a minor league contract–that would give the Sox potentially battery mates that are Ivy League grads.
oh. well, he was healthy at the end of the season, but the pirates believed he to not be worthy of another $2MM contract… he’ll find a job somewhere though
He is a guy that always looks like he can be an very good pitcher until he takes the mound. Him and Morton can both be very frustrating.
He’s been very unlucky with the injury bug for about two years and a half years now. I quess the Pirates were just tired of waiting for him to come back.
Its sad because he did pitch better than his 1-11 record says he did in 2010.
I’d still rather have a first baseman and cleanup hitter than a 6th starter.
If we sign Oswalt, Jackson, or Maholm the aren’t 6th starters in our rotation. If we’re getting Francis or Ohlendorf back I agree. However the only FA name I like is Pena and we might lead the league with .220 hitters.
Wasn’t suggesting the player would be the 6th best starter on the team, just that the team already has 5 starters in the rotation right now. To me, it’s more important to get Neil Walker out of the cleanup position than it is to try to find a slight upgrade over Kevin Correia.
kris benson, kip wells, and josh fogg. do it huntington!
While we’re at it, let’s get Raul Mondesi, Derek Bell, Terry Mulholland, Pat Meares, Chris Stynes, and Jeff Reboulet!
Seriously, if they add Oswalt and E-Jax do they not look like better than .500 team? They should sign them both immediately…and Prince Fielder too, just to make it interesting.
lol
Problem: They probably don’t want to go to the Pirates.
I don’t think Oswalt would because he’s getting older and would probably rather just play for a contender, but if the money’s right, I see no reason why Jackson or Fielder wouldn’t join the team. Jackson would be a realistic signing, they were in on Jorge De La Rosa last season.
thats true. but how many teams were “in” on JDLR last offseason? i would guess that more will be “in” on jackson
Jackson is realistic
My request is someone who can keep their era under 4, can pitch at least 175 innings, and has at least double the strikeouts as they do walks in a given season. Almost forgot, they needed to have those statistics last year, not 10 years ago.
Hiroki Kuroda fits that perfectly but the chances of the Pirates getting him are just as good as them getting Fielder.
I wonder if the Pirates put together a five-six prospect package, they could snag Niese and Murphy away from the Mets….say Alderson, Curry, Welker, Gorkys, Crotta and Josh Harrison and see if they would bite. I would throw in Lorin, but he’s gone. These guys probably wont see the light of day with the Pirates, so you might as well get something for them before they become Rule V fodder or minor league free agents.
They are all crap. The Mets wouldn’t bite on all the extra guys on the 40 man considering none of them are prospects. They are all organizational depth (except for maybe Gorkys). Where would the Pirates play Murphy anyway? Walker is locked in at 2nd. The outfield has pleanty of depth with McCutchen, Tabata, Presley, and McLouth. McGehee is the back up plan at 3rd if Alvarez busts again. And he doesn’t have the power for first.
If they wanna try to get Neise, I think they’d have to part with Starling Marte.
So if I through in Marte, do we have a deal? The main cookie would be for Niese, anything else is extra.
As for Murphy, he came up in the organization at 3B and started in the bigs at 1b and LF. Go figure. He was being trained on the job at 2B, but as you said, Walker is there. Murphy is an athlete which fits into the style of person the Pirates look for and adds flexibility to the team. The Mets are on welfare so they may be willing to part with Murphy as a cost saving measure and to replenish the holes. They also have a glut of power hitting 2B in their farm system so they might be willing to part with Murphy.
If the Pirates pulled a deal and got Murphy, I would be happy that they aren’t getting another player who is attempting to make a comeback. I don’t think I would balk and say not enough power. It’s like Rodney Dangerfield kicking Katy Perry out of bed and saying, I’m not in the mood for brunettes today.
I wouldn’t trade Marte for Niese, for Ike Davis yea
I don’t think many of those guys would interest the Mets at all. I would like to see them trade for a starting pitcher but I think they should set their sights higher than Niese if they are trading away quality prospects.
only Gorkys of that 6 is technically a prospect… if you just want to get rid of players you dont like, you cant expect anything in return except more guys you dont like
What would the Pirates realistically offer as a prospect haul for Jurrjens?
If the Braves do need to salary dump (I don’t think they will)- I think the best course of action would be to flat out trade JJ (the drop from JJ to Minor or Teheran isn’t that huge) for a good prospect haul.
I figure he’d be worth 1 A and 1 B prospect.
If I’m Atlanta I want Chase d’Arnaud, Starling Marte, and a reliever. That would satisfy all of our needs aside from a 3B prospect(I doubt Alvarez could be available) and I believe there was talk of Marte being on the trading block earlier this year.
Tim, you need to learn to take what Frank Coonelly says with a grain of salt. Very little of what he says turns out to be true or accurate.
For example, documented comments from Coonelly over the past few years…..
“The change in atmosphere … will contribute to far greater success in 2008 and beyond.” – Coonelly (MLB) “We expect to win in 2009 and would not find it acceptable to attempt to build a team that will not win until 2010 or 2012.” – Coonelly (MLB) “2010 will be a much better year.” – Huntington (MLB) “… we believe we can win in 2010.” – Coonelly (MLB) “We’re looking to compete in 2012.” – Coonelly (Post-Gazette)
i see more of a jeff francis or joel pineiro signing here, someone in the 5 or 6 mil area who can b a real good number 4. they want to win but arent close enough for big aquisitions yet. is webb gonna be ready this year, he would be fantastic on a bounceback type contract.
Jon Garland also fits that bill. Cheap, experienced innings eater that would come cheaper than Jeff Francis (who they seem to covet ).
My concern would be having Bedard and Francis in the same rotation given their injury history.
the nats can trade you lannan cheap….he only makes 4 mil!!! or is that too much?? seriously pirates you can part with a little money can’t you??
How about signing Garland with the majority of the cash left to spend this offseason and get Cantu on a cheaper deal to provide insurance at both first and third. They could potentially employ a platoon at both first (Jones/Cantu) and third (Alvarez/McGehee). Ideally Alvarez doesn’t need a platoon partner but that could help him at first. I think that addresses (not necessarily solves) their two remaining needs for the offseason and I would argue could feasibly be done.
$42M in 2011? What is your source?
The AP recently released the EOY payroll figures for all MLB teams (which you linked here under “2011 Payrolls by Division”), and the Pirates came in at $51,784,810.
Beginning vs end
Would Edwin Jackson not be an ideal candidate for the Pirates? They want a solid pitcher and Jackson is just that, not to mention the market for him is relatively quite. He would be a solid pickup for them.
Brandon McCarthy is available and Dallas Braden once he’s off the DL, wouldn’t take much to pry him away from the a’s
What about Gavin Floyd for prospects?
What about Gavin Floyd for prospects?
The problem is the expectation of going from worst to first. Sure, Tampa Bay did it in 2008 and Arizona did it in 2011, but most rebuilding teams get to .500 first, and go from there. The Pirates have made some good moves this winter, and if they can add another pitcher (or just keep Maholm), and a good hitter (i.e, Pena or Lee), the Pirates could possibly be a .500 team next year and hopefully be a contender by 2013.
Casey McGehee
Erik Bedard
Paul Maholm
Clint Hurdle
I went to PirateFest and saw some of the girls who attended. You CAN put lipstick on a pig.
Who exactly do you think they should have signed? I think they have had a very solid off season so far, and they still have some cash to spend. The biggest holes coming in were shortstop and catcher, and I’m not sure there were better options for the Pirates available this year than what they got. Bedard upgrades the rotation at a very good price. McLouth and McGehee are just backup/bench options. Hardly anything to have a cry over.
I don’t think it’s worth your time to argue with someone who cant even bother to make sure they are correctly spelling the names of the players they claim to know so much about.
Yep. Develop the core from within and do some smart bargain shopping…then pray for luck and health. What is interesting is the common thought that just waving cash at star free agents makes them sign. I’m guessing if the Pirates show they are contenders..their “luck” at signing a star free agent will change.