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Dominican Police: Carmona Using Assumed Name

By Ben Nicholson-Smith | January 20, 2012 at 1:54pm CDT

FRIDAY: Carmona was released from court in the Dominican and asked for the forgiveness of fans, the U.S. government and the Indians, the Associated Press reports (via ESPN). It appears unlikely that the Indians will void Carmona's contract, but the right-hander has to get to the U.S. to get paid this year, Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer tweets.

THURSDAY, 3:25pm: The Indians issued the following statement regarding Carmona: “We were recently made aware of the situation that occurred today in the Dominican Republic and are currently in the process of gathering information,” GM Chris Antonetti said. “We are not prepared to make any additional comment at this time.”

2:23pm: Police in the Dominican Republic say Fausto Carmona's real name is Roberto Hernandez Heredia, Enrique Rojas of ESPNDeportes tweets. Dionisio Soldevila of the AP tweets that Carmona is 31, not 28 and Jorge Arangure Jr. of ESPN.com tweets that the right-hander's chances of obtaining a visa quickly don't seem good. Yancen Pujols first tweeted news of the identity issues.

The Indians exercised Carmona's option after the season, so he'll earn $7MM in 2012. The ground ball pitcher posted a 5.25 ERA with 5.2 K/9 and 2.9 BB/9 in 188 2/3 innings in 2011. The Marlins placed Leo Nunez/Juan Carlos Oviedo on the restricted list because of issues related to his assumed name. It's not clear whether Carmona will be able to pitch in the U.S. by Opening Day.

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  1. TribeGuy

    11 years ago

    Oh no….

    Reply
    • Devon Henry

      11 years ago

      BIG difference between 28 and 31 in terms of age.

      Reply
      • Dan Kinney

        11 years ago

        No there’s not. The difference was substantial when he was a prospect, but it would not affect the amount of money he’s making this year.

        Reply
        • carpengui

          11 years ago

          Sure it will… or might… if I’m the Indians, I say “hey, we picked up the option for somebody named Fausto Carmona… I’m not paying somebody named Roberto Hernandez Heredia” (and frankly, I do think they could void the deal on the basis of false pretenses, invalid signature, etc.).

        • Victor Kipp

          11 years ago

          I’m sure they could.  They should do just that.

      • Lastings

        11 years ago

        31 is the new 28. You do know that right?

        Reply
      • jacobykenobi

        11 years ago

        LITTLE difference between 28 and 31 in terms of pounds overweight.

        Reply
        • Encarnacion's Parrot

          11 years ago

          Prince Fielder is living proof.

        • NYBravosFan10

          11 years ago

          Carmona is no pixie either

  2. padresgm

    11 years ago

    wow

    Reply
  3. Karkat

    11 years ago

    How does this keep happening???

    Also, who decides on the name “Fausto”?

    Reply
    • philly_red

      11 years ago

      Teams are willing to gamble on a guy with talent, even if he’s 3-5 years older than he’s claiming, is using a fake name, or what have you.

      Reply
      • Ryan

        11 years ago

        Yea, especially our Phillies.  If you are Latin, over 30, and available, Philadelphia has to be a stop on your tour. 

        Raul Ibanez, Dany(s) Baez and Jose Contreras highly recommend it.

        Reply
        • whatever

          11 years ago

          Don’t get it.. Raul Ibanez is American..

        • Tim

          11 years ago

          But nonetheless old.

        • pirates20

          11 years ago

          And you can’t forget Abraham Nunez

  4. $2509879

    11 years ago

    Why would they give him $7 mil anyway? He’s godawful!

    Reply
  5. levendis

    11 years ago

    I am utterly shocked. Wouldn’t surprise me if Pineda turns out to be at least 25, he already looks like a grown man

    Reply
    • Kiran Raul

      11 years ago

      I dont mind if he is 25, at least we get our 6 years and by 31 he should still be a good pitcher, but i agree dude is huge lol

      Reply
  6. Ian_Smell

    11 years ago

    Now I don’t regret buying his shirt. Awesome.

    Reply
  7. BLZR

    11 years ago

    I’m disappointed, but only because “Fausto Carmona” is one of the coolest names ever.  I’ve always been a fan of his just because of the name.  I don’t know how to take this.

    Reply
  8. philliesfan136

    11 years ago

    Wow another one..

    Reply
  9. WonderboyRooney10

    11 years ago

    Is this going to be the new steroid suspicion? Instead of accusing players of PED’s, they will now be accused of being older than they are reported

    Reply
    • Onetimeaccount

      11 years ago

      This isn’t new.

      Reply
      • WonderboyRooney10

        11 years ago

        It hasnt been widespread though. All of the sudden this offseason Albert Pujols, the greatest player of his generation, a first ballot hall of famer, is getting his age questioned? Nobody seemed to mind when he was 25

        Reply
        • Tim

          11 years ago

          Well, it’d probably be more accurate to say that confirmation hasn’t been as widespread.  I’d say the reason that suspicion is growing is because more people are being found out in it.

        • WonderboyRooney10

          11 years ago

          Right, the actual confirmation isnt as widespread as the suspicion. Same with steroid use.

    • johnsmith4

      11 years ago

      Latin American players have been doing this since the 60s….they know their age has a big impact on how scouts assess them.

      Reply
      • Tim

        11 years ago

        Yes, but most of them can’t really get away with it anymore.  Venezuela, the Netherlands Antilles, Cuba, and Mexico all have reasonably good records-keeping.  The DR just has bureaucratic officials who are either inept or corrupt.

        Reply
        • Hannibal_Lester

          11 years ago

          Corrupt. No question about it.

    • jammin502

      11 years ago

      I think that MLB has to do more to crack down on this.  I would put in place a 50 day suspension on a player if this is discovered.  The teams should already be able to void the contract, but the 50 days would be a penalty on the player as well as the team that did not do due diligence in background checking.

      Reply
  10. padresgm

    11 years ago

    Calling this trade:
    Clayton Richard to CLE for something

    Reply
  11. Leonard Washington

    11 years ago

    Well now he is still awful just older. 

    Reply
  12. padresgm

    11 years ago

    who is next? Albert Pujols is 35 and named Juan Rodriguez?

    Reply
    • Mario Saavedra

      11 years ago

      37*

      Reply
    • MyNameIsJonas

      11 years ago

      Jose Alcantara

      Reply
    • WonderboyRooney10

      11 years ago

      Danny Almonte

      Reply
    • BoSoxSam

      11 years ago

      Ryan Seacrest

      Reply
      • johnsmith4

        11 years ago

        Dean Martin

        Reply
    • johnsmith4

      11 years ago

      Mike Danton – St. Louis Blues

      Reply
    • NYBravosFan10

      11 years ago

      I wonder how many Juan Rodriguez’s there are in the world…

      Reply
      • Roberto Rivera

        11 years ago

        According to White Pages.com, there are 9349 guys named Juan Rodriguez in the United States. That number seems small, then again, I’m a Nuyorican.

        Reply
  13. InLeylandWeTrust

    11 years ago

    Wow

    Reply
  14. jondogg2010

    11 years ago

    The problem I have is NOT the name, it’s that you CANNOT import to America under a fake name. I know actors and such have stage names, that’s not my point. Lying to the authorities is rules for being deported! Bye bye! And the team shouldn’t have to be responsible for paying players found to have fake names.

    Reply
    • johnsmith4

      11 years ago

      Does this mean MLB should transfer his rights to Toronto?

      Reply
      • Exposfan

        11 years ago

        America doesnt stand for United States

        Please learn the difference

        Reply
        • jb226

          11 years ago

          Sure it does.  Or at least it can, it’s all about the context.

          “America” may be short for United States of America, it might be short for North America, it might be short for Central America, it might be short for South America — it might refer to the entirety of the region, basically the entire hemisphere, though that is not typical (it’s usually “Americas” at that point).In this context, it’s clear the original poster was referring to the US or he would not be referring to immigration laws and deportation.  

          If you can’t parse context or are mad that the term is often used to refer to the US, that’s sad for you.  It certainly doesn’t change anything.

      • Marc_from_Brooklyn

        11 years ago

        He entered Canada with the Indians on road trips presumably using a false name on his DR passport, so he may have similar immigration issues returning to Canada as he does now returning to the US.

        Reply
  15. Lefty

    11 years ago

    Are the Authorities certain about this? It wasn’t some Wikipedia mix-up back at the “Home Office”? Why are the police involved? Was he “Jay-Walking” at the time?

    Reply
    • johnsmith4

      11 years ago

      Let see if he ends up “Blue Jay Walking”

      Reply
    • Tim

      11 years ago

      The police are involved because the DR DOES actually investigate things like this (it’s either identity theft or it’s signing a contract under a false name), they just take forever to do it.

      Reply
  16. Exposfan

    11 years ago

    Hmmm.. might want to investigate on Coco Crisp.. Maybe they’ll find out he’s linked to a Kellog brand name

    Reply
    • Tyler Jedrzejak

      11 years ago

      hahaahhahaha i love this

      Reply
    • chico65

      11 years ago

      Guerilla marketing at its finest

      Reply
    • Ryan Klinkert

      11 years ago

      Every time Milton Bradley threw a tantrum sales for Candyland and Connect 4 went through the roof.

      Reply
    • AnJrue

      11 years ago

      his real name is covelli, coco is just a nickname

      Reply
    • AnJrue

      11 years ago

      his real name is covelli, coco is just a nickname

      Reply
  17. JST1331

    11 years ago

    YES! Now my Carmona shirt will be worth something!

    Reply
  18. pirateswillwinin2013

    11 years ago

    The next one will be Jose Tabata, it will come out he’s 29 years old and real name is Benny “the jet” Rodriguez.

    Reply
  19. Tim

    11 years ago

    There is only one thing that can be said or done about this:

    *facepalm*

    Reply
  20. $1742854

    11 years ago

    A International Draft would take care of many of these problems.

    Reply
    • snaketrain

      11 years ago

      yes all day.

      Reply
      • Jon Melton

        11 years ago

        Why would the draft eliminate anything,  because they are drafted its impossible to fabricate their age anymore?

        Reply
  21. tapehead4

    11 years ago

    Perhaps he just didn’t want to be mistaken for Felix Heredia. Do you blame him?

    Reply
    • disadvantage

      11 years ago

      His first and middle name will make me mistake him for former closer Roberto Hernandez. But that is much better than Felix Heredia.

      Reply
  22. Tyler Jedrzejak

    11 years ago

    Still baffled at the fact that these people can lie, suck at their job, and still ,not only get a raise ,but get paid the amount they do…7 mil for Fausto really? He sucks. if i suck at my job, lie about who i am..well lets just say i am heading over to the unemployment line.

    Reply
    • Infield Fly

      11 years ago

      Well “these people” are a lot like “those other people…” you know, the ones who can lie about taking steroids, get caught, get suspended/fined…and then come back to collect their multimillion dollar checks as if nothing ever happened? Yeah…those people.

      So let’s keep things in perspective: baseball has a lot of hypocritical rules and policies — and they are hardly limited to Dominican players.

      Reply
    • TimotheusATL

      11 years ago

      the whole “suck at their job” thing is where you kinda go askew. even a replacement-level mlb player is at the top 1% of the top 1% of people who ever pick up a bat or glove in their lifetime.

      it’s a microcosm of a lot of what’s wrong in the difference between union labor and right-to-work labor, but that’s a whole different debate.

      Reply
  23. TimotheusATL

    11 years ago

    what’s next? manny ramirez is found out to be don juan injectia manboobia, and is really 51?

    Reply
  24. Unplucked Sports

    11 years ago

    Hey MLBTR, is it possible to start an Assumed Name Tracker?

    Reply
    • chico65

      11 years ago

      Good one.
       
      Did you catch LarryDelucaNY’s hissy fit?  Might be the first banning for throwing a temper tantrum.  I know a few toddlers that would have been proud.

      Reply
  25. Brian J Malenke

    11 years ago

    It’s correct to be skeptical of any player coming out of the dominican republic these days.  I wonder if MLB is going to put more resources in place to prevent further occurances. 

    Reply
  26. FacelessGeneralManager

    11 years ago

    I think these players come here under different names because their reals names aren’t that cool. I mean Fausto Carmona and Leo Nunez? That kills Roberto Hernandez Heredia and Juan Carlos Oviedo

    Reply
  27. Mikey

    11 years ago

    Jose Contreras is definitely 50

    Reply
    • Ryan

      11 years ago

      Ditto for Placido Polanco.

      Reply
      • Tim

        11 years ago

        And Miguel Batista!

        Reply
        • ellisburks

          11 years ago

          And Jamie Moyer!

  28. johnsmith4

    11 years ago

    I want to know how this impacts Bill James 2012 and RotoChamp projections for this guy.

    Reply
  29. JimBaily

    11 years ago

    The Cubs should consider investing some time in this and finding out if this would be a plausible tactic to get out of the Soriano contract.

    Reply
  30. Tyler Jedrzejak

    11 years ago

    block my comment because i said these people? as in referring to people that lie about their identity? makes sense.

    Reply
    • Karan

      11 years ago

      One of my comments in Oliver Perez signs with Seattle post was blocked too I don’t know why.

      Reply
  31. NYBravosFan10

    11 years ago

    I never liked this guy to begin with. He comes off as a dirty pitcher with a lousy attitude sometimes. Granted I don’t know the guy, but that’s from my point of view as a fan.

    Reply
    • Tyler Jedrzejak

      11 years ago

      to me he just seemed over hyped he had two good years out of six, he is a four starter to me just my opinion

      Reply
  32. Tyler Jedrzejak

    11 years ago

    With all the censoring of comments…lol just wait till SOPA/PIPA goes through..wnt be able to say anything unless it is “Great signing God Bless!”

    Reply
  33. Leonard Washington

    11 years ago

    If my name wasn’t really Leonard Washington I would totally change it to Juan-Esteban Ignachio Montoya. Then I would try out for a Dominican summer league team dressed as Inigio Montoya from Princess Bride. 

    Reply
    • Tim

      11 years ago

      Try “Domingo Montoya.”  It’s a little more obscure, but in the book it’s Inigo’s father’s name.

      Reply
      • José K

        11 years ago

        sorry but it would be Ignacio is you will have a name in spanish. Juan  Esteban without the hypenation

        Reply
  34. Jay

    11 years ago

    Tim Tebow

    Reply
  35. James Blackhurst

    11 years ago

    Where does the Tribe go from here?

    Hold out that Fausto, err Roberto, gets a visa and continues his mediocrity?

    Cut him and spend his 7MM on a starter… but who is still available that’s worth that cash?

    Cut him and swing a trade for a starter… but who could be a potential suitor?

    Cut him and spend that money on first base via sign or trade and hope someone like Gomez, Huff, or McAllister can step up and perform?

    Reply
    • leachim2

      11 years ago

      There’s Edwin Jackson.

      Reply
      • OnlyInCleveland

        11 years ago

        With the length and cash Boras is trying to get for Jackson makes him a “programental non-fit” here in Cleveland

        Reply
      • OnlyInCleveland

        11 years ago

        With the length and cash Boras is trying to get for Jackson makes him a “programental non-fit” here in Cleveland

        Reply
    • haymaker9

      11 years ago

      They could probably call the Rockies and acquire a guy from their pile of starters in a trade.  At least that would provide the Indians an extra arm or two at the start of the year until “Carmona” gets all his identity issues sorted.   Just guessing, but I’ll bet the Rockies would be interested in swapping one or two of their extra arms for Cord Phelps.

      Reply
    • haymaker9

      11 years ago

      They could probably call the Rockies and acquire a guy from their pile of starters in a trade.  At least that would provide the Indians an extra arm or two at the start of the year until “Carmona” gets all his identity issues sorted.   Just guessing, but I’ll bet the Rockies would be interested in swapping one or two of their extra arms for Cord Phelps.

      Reply
    • $20404099

      11 years ago

      There’ll be legal ramifications to voiding his contract that whatever his name is will try and invoke. He’ll likely lose out, but it will tie things up for a while. Oswalt is the 1st name that comes to mind as a possible get for the Indians as a replacement. 

      Reply
  36. Knowname

    11 years ago

    so does this raise the going price of his baseball cards or what?

    Reply
  37. JamieMoyer

    11 years ago

    28, 31…What’s the big deal?

    Reply
    • Lunchbox45

      11 years ago

      could be a huge difference. especially if we are talking about prospects.

      Reply
    • WeDontNeedToFinPracticeRANDY

      11 years ago

      Gold jacket…Green jacket…

      Reply
    • Sniderlover

      11 years ago

      Well, if you’re 16 instead of 19, it can make a pretty big difference with the amount of money you will get.

      I don’t blame Carmona or anyone else for using a fake identity to escape poverty and get a future in America.

      I’m sure there are quite a few of them with fake identities. 

      Reply
  38. bayareabeast

    11 years ago

    cespedes will have his own post like this in no time

    Reply
  39. iCracked

    11 years ago

    I wonder if they mail his checks with the name Fausto Carmona after this? Good luck cashing them once he gets a visa and an ID with his real name

    Reply
    • sourbob

      11 years ago

      Yeah, I’m sure there’s no Carribbean bank willing to skirt the rules to handle his millions. Offshore banks are known for their ethics.

      Reply
  40. iCracked

    11 years ago

    Bartolo Colon is really 31

    Reply
  41. sourbob

    11 years ago

    New intro music for Carmona/Heredia: “That’s Not My Name” by the Ting Tings.

    Reply
    • goner

      11 years ago

      The Ramones’ “Carbona Not Glue” certainly isn’t appropriate anymore

      Reply
  42. nyr4life

    11 years ago

    mlb needs to step in and do something. I don’t know wether the indians care or not but they just picked up the option of a 31 year old and not a 28 year old, i think it should be made known to all players(so i dont come off as a racist)that if you lie about your name,age you run the risk of being fined and suspended for a year.

    Reply
  43. Chioakcisco

    11 years ago

    $10 says MLB is going for Al Albuquerque next.

    Reply
  44. LUWahooNatFan

    11 years ago

    Can any player from the Dominican Republic be trusted? This seems to happen way more often then it should

    Reply
  45. cards2WS

    11 years ago

    Id rather just keep it as Fausto Carmona…

    Reply
  46. JonBoyd

    11 years ago

    Great another guy I have to learn a new name for.

    Reply
  47. optionn

    11 years ago

    All these players who violated Immigration Law and other laws should be ashamed of themselves for profitting millions of dollars based on willful and fraudulent identification.

    His whole life is essentially one big lie. 

    Reply
  48. horseiv

    11 years ago

    I don’t know why teams can’t get out of contracts?  Like he signed with a fake name his check is going to someone who doesn’t exist just say to bad so sad and kick him out of the league.  I get that they wanna play but teams like the Indians who don’t have a tonne to spend get hurt by this crap.  Thank god the Jays never traded for him

    Reply
  49. Khabibulan

    11 years ago

    Breaking news: Albert Pujols is really Julio Inglesias Jr, and is 42 years old!

    Reply
  50. disgustedcubfan

    11 years ago

    Please let Alfonso Soriano get busted for using an assumed name!

    Reply
    • lefty177

      11 years ago

      he’s really 19 apparently

      Reply
  51. Dan Mazzaro

    11 years ago

    If you’re going to use a fake name, why would you pick “Fausto”?

    Reply
  52. Raf

    11 years ago

    oh na na whats ma name???

    Reply
  53. bayareabeast

    11 years ago

    MLBTR why are you still calling him Carmona in the updates?

    Reply
  54. Chris1G

    11 years ago

    Does this mean he’s going to get a new jersey, with a new name on the back if he stays with the Indians?

    Reply

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