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Red Sox, Marlins Discussed Crawford, Hanley, Bell

By Ben Nicholson-Smith | July 18, 2012 at 1:10pm CDT

1:10pm: There's no current discussion involving Crawford, Ramirez and Bell, ESPN.com's Buster Olney reports (on Twitter). The idea surfaced briefly as a concept and immediately died.

12:57pm: The Red Sox and Marlins are discussing a trade that would send Carl Crawford to Miami for Hanley Ramirez and Heath Bell, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports. The Marlins approached the Red Sox about the possible blockbuster, Nightengale reports.

The biggest impediment to the deal is the Marlins' indecision about their course for the rest of the 2012 season. Miami VP Dan Jennings is in Boston scouting Crawford, according to Nightengale. The potential trade would be the second-biggest contract swap in history, trailing only the 2004 trade involving Alex Rodriguez and Alfonso Soriano, Nightengale writes.

The Marlins are also discussing trades involving Josh Johnson and Anibal Sanchez, plus a deal that would send Omar Infante back to Detroit, Nightengale reports.

Ken Rosenthal reported earlier today that the Red Sox are determining trade interest in Crawford. However, GM Ben Cherington says there's "nothing going on" with the left fielder, who is in the second year of a seven-year, $142MM contract he signed following the 2010 season.

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  1. Matt

    11 years ago

    Yes, please.

    Reply
  2. sourbob

    11 years ago

    (head explodes)

    Reply
  3. Karkat

    11 years ago

    What.

    Reply
  4. ultimate913

    11 years ago

    Que?

    Reply
  5. seldomused

    11 years ago

    The Red Sox have to be including prospects in that.  Crawford hasn’t proved healthy enough yet to be worth Hanley and Bell despite their struggles.

    Reply
    • MaineSox

      11 years ago

      Either that or (maybe more likely) adding a significant amount of money to the deal, so the Marlins get Crawford for cheap.

      Reply
      • melonis_rex

        11 years ago

        Money would be logical, but then the luxury tax would become a huge concern (considering Bell and Hanley would be on the Sox payroll).

        Reply
      • Sky14

        11 years ago

        Cheap, that does seem to be the Marlins way.

        Reply
  6. Fifty_Five

    11 years ago

    If I would have proposed this the mlbtr comment section would have excommunicated me

    Reply
    • MaineSox

      11 years ago

      Honestly, I probably would have made fun of you…

      Reply
    • kevinfoley46

      11 years ago

      Agreed. You’d be a laughing stock. But honestly, I don’t know how big of a difference this is for anyone, unless both teams are going for a “change of scenery” thought process.

      Reply
    • Fangaffes

      11 years ago

      Sometimes I wonder if the New York based media is just screwing with the Red Sox to try to promote doubt and dissent. These guys come up with the most “amazing” trade rumors.

      Reply
  7. mike melusky

    11 years ago

    Boston will have three proven closers now.

    Reply
    • $17049574

      11 years ago

      and yet, none

      Reply
  8. MB923

    11 years ago

    Whoa.

    Reply
  9. TTT OOO

    11 years ago

    Who didn’t see this one coming?

    Reply
  10. Karkat

    11 years ago

    No seriously what.

    Reply
  11. RahZid

    11 years ago

    Make it happen Ben!

    Reply
  12. walnutfalcons

    11 years ago

    Forgive me, but I am completely drawing a blank on Hanley’s contract.

    Would this be two bad contracts swapped for one?  

    Reply
    • melonis_rex

      11 years ago

       Nope. Hanley’s contract isn’t bad. Not cheap, but not bad.

      There’s got to be more coming from the Red Sox (whether salary relief  or prospects) or the Marlins know something about Hanley we don’t.

      Reply
    • Fifty_Five

      11 years ago

      He’s owed about 31 mill through 2014. So it’s more like two bad shorter term contracts for one atrocious long one

      Reply
  13. MB923

    11 years ago

    Why would the Sox want Heath Bell? Unless there is a 2nd Heath Bell that I don’t know of on the Marlins.

    Reply
    • MaineSox

      11 years ago

      Couldn’t be a worse closer than Aceves, and couldn’t be less healthy than Bailey.  Between the three of them they might have one complete closer.

      Reply
    • slyfox1908

      11 years ago

      The Sox probably don’t want him. I bet the Marlins are insisting he be included for money purposes.

      Reply
  14. RahZid

    11 years ago

    Any chance Crawford could even pass his physical for this deal?  He still needs TJ after the season.

    Reply
    • MaineSox

      11 years ago

      Given that the Marlins know about that they wouldn’t nix the deal because of it showing up on the physical.

      Reply
      • RahZid

        11 years ago

        Are we sure they know about it?  I mean, certainly they must, but maybe they don’t know about his contract?  This trade doesn’t make any sense to me from the Marlins’ perspective, but I guess it wouldn’t be that far off from the Wells deal between Toronto and LAA.

        Reply
        • kevinfoley46

          11 years ago

          If we know about it, I’m sure they know about it.

        • RahZid

          11 years ago

          Whoosh!

  15. Ben_Cherington

    11 years ago

    What the hell is going on?

    Reply
    • East Coast Bias

      11 years ago

      You tell us. 

      Reply
      • Ben_Cherington

        11 years ago

        How did this get out!!!?!?!?

        Reply
        • mlbscout6

          11 years ago

          This sounds like it was thought up by some Red Sox fanboy. I’m sure the Marlins are gearing up for another disadvantageous trade, but it won’t be THIS bad.

  16. Unplucked Sports

    11 years ago

    Nope. Not going to happen. 

    Reply
  17. Lefty

    11 years ago

    The Orioles could do better to get Ramirez than the Red Sox!
    Bell can stay in South Florida though!

    Reply
  18. M.Kit

    11 years ago

    Pure media driven nonsense

    Reply
    • Kyle M (Sox Feed)

      11 years ago

      Absolutely.

      Reply
  19. Unplucked Sports

    11 years ago

    You don’t. And there isn’t. 

    Reply
    • Unplucked Sports

      11 years ago

      that was in response to everyone who will say we don’t need another closer and is there someone else you can package in the deal. Keep dreaming. 

      Reply
  20. 14 Rocks

    11 years ago

    Wow!!!  The Marlins must be desperate to get rid of Hanley and Bell if they are willing to take on that albatross of a contract. 

    Reply
    • slyfox1908

      11 years ago

      If my math is right (from the start of 2012),

      Ramirez+Bell: $73.5m, $24.5m/yr, expire 2014Crawford: $127m, $21.1m/yr, expires 2017

      I agree, the Red Sox should send some money or a prospect the Marlins’ way.

      Reply
  21. Andy_B

    11 years ago

    Gotta love a good Marlin’s fire sale

    Reply
  22. melonis_rex

    11 years ago

    Wait. What?

    Unless there’s something about Hanley we don’t know…. what? 

    Reply
  23. PiratesFan

    11 years ago

    Why would the Marlins even consider this?

    Reply
    • MB923

      11 years ago

      I know the rumor is dead, but why would either of these 2 teams consider it?

      Reply
    • tntdaddy

      11 years ago

      Heath Bell leads the NL in blown saves. Hanley is getting paid $15 million for his whopping .249 batting average. As a Marlins fan, I ask, “why are the Red Sox considering this?”

      Reply
      • MB923

        11 years ago

        lol neither team would consider this. Marlins have a great OF as is.

        Reply
        • MaineSox

          11 years ago

          LoMo really should be at 1B though.

      • rsanchez1

        11 years ago

        To the Red Sox, Hanley is “the one that got away”. They probably really want him just because they had him before.

        Reply
    • johnsilver

      11 years ago

      CC has upside. Bell has -0-. he cannot close, setup.. Ask any Fish fan this year. you don’t want him in any game at all. I doubt a change of scenery would do him any good even.

      What this deal would be, is swap approx. 58m in contract value to Boston, of which Bell’s is a total lost cause. Send the Fish 126m in a player who is still just 30YO and has major upside and like it or not? Major talent that should play well for at least the next 3-4 seasons.

      Boston would get Ramirez, who maybe sometimes isn’t the best personality on the marlins roster and signed thru 2014 and is under performing and in dire need of a change of scenery.

      Truthfully? I don’t really think Boston should do it, especially if they have to send the Fish one dime of CC’s contract. I like the potential of Ramirez, but the team is going to be needing CC after Ellsbury walks, unless they were planning on using that cash saved (long term) to sign Ells.

      Crawford is a dynamic player that is hard to replace, the type Ramirez was 2 and a half years ago, but not seen since and Bell is worthless now.

      Reply
      • rsanchez1

        11 years ago

        I personally would like to see Valentine and Ramirez interact. Over/Under on when one of them will blow up on the other?

        Reply
  24. ugotrpk3113

    11 years ago

    How is this happening? I’m all for the Red Sox selling. However, I’m all for shedding Crawford (who can’t handle pressure here) for a RISK with Hanley and Bell.

    But.. why? I don’t get this still from Miami’s stance..

    Reply
  25. Andy_B

    11 years ago

    As a cardinals fan I wish Pujols had signed with the Marlins and then got stuck there after they had a fire sale.

    Reply
  26. Jeffrey Wright

    11 years ago

    no comment
    – marlins fan

    Reply
  27. jrios001

    11 years ago

    olney just denied it…

    Reply
  28. RiverKKiller999

    11 years ago

    There is nothing to this story….nothing to see here.

    Reply
  29. Mike N

    11 years ago

     This is like a trade you make on a video game!!! Marlins must be regretting the move to sign Jose Reyes! 

    Reply
    • rsanchez1

      11 years ago

      Well, Jose Reyes and Hanley Ramirez are essentially the same, but Reyes doesn’t have the attitude that Hanley has. What they must be regretting is not trading Hanley before the start of the season.

      Reply
  30. Rick

    11 years ago

    What’s the plan? Switch Hanley back to SS? I would hate to think we got rid of Youk to make space for Middlebrooks for all of three weeks. Plus, after Crawford’s game last night, I think he’s primed for big things. Hanley is kind of a disaster and doesn’t seem to really care about being the best he can be. Call it Rickie Williams disease. I don’t see Tommy John in the off season being a big deal for him either.

    Reply
    • MaineSox

      11 years ago

      Well, it sounds like this report was overblown, but adding Hanley for 3B could free up Middlebrooks for that Upton trade…

      Reply
      • East Coast Bias

        11 years ago

        And adding Upton for CF could free up Ellsbury for that Hamels trade…?

        Reply
        • MaineSox

          11 years ago

          Felix, but right idea.

  31. Brandon Stubbs Calvert

    11 years ago

    Ummm Advantage Boston

    Reply
  32. gizmo12688

    11 years ago

    “Sources:There is no current discussion involving Crawford and Hanley Ramirez/Heath Bell. Was brought up briefly as concept,immediately died”

    -Olney

    Reply
    • Karkat

      11 years ago

      Phew, the world makes sense again.

      Reply
  33. hawkny1

    11 years ago

    Wait, wait…throw in Lester for Johnson, too!!!

    Reply
  34. rainyperez

    11 years ago

    Well Crawford’s arm seems to be falling off or is that whole needing TJ surgery not a thing I read a couple weeks ago. He has been doing good as of late with a SSS but Hanley hasn’t been Hanley the last couple of seasons and Heath Bell well I’m not sure you want to move him into a hitter’s ballpark. 

    But hey I’m no baseball executive or scout so what do I know.

    Reply
  35. ColonelBoston

    11 years ago

    A significant amount of money? The dude is owed, what? $110 million still. The Sox aren’t going to absorb too much of that.

    Reply
    • MaineSox

      11 years ago

      If they ate $35M of it Crawford would only be owed $14M per year, which would be pretty reasonable.

      Reply
      • rainyperez

        11 years ago

        Well he hasn’t been playing like a $14 million a year player at all last season and this season. Add in the fact that he supposedly needs TJ surgery the trade really doesn’t make sense. 

        Reply
        • MaineSox

          11 years ago

          TJ surgery means essentially nothing when it comes to position players (he could have it after the season and be ready for spring training, and unless/until it completely lets go he can play through it).  And if he had played in 2010 like he did last year someone would have still given him $14M per year based on his history, so I don’t see why it’s any different now.

        • rainyperez

          11 years ago

          It’s different now because at this point in his career this season and last have been lost and he isn’t worth the money that was given to him.

        • MaineSox

          11 years ago

          He never was worth the money given to him, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t worth $14M (he is).

        • rainyperez

          11 years ago

          You asked me how it is different now. How is it possible he is worth $14 Million at this point and time? I mean does his stats from last year and this year not show he is not worth $14 million?

        • MaineSox

          11 years ago

          Because players aren’t evaluated one a one year sample size. He has a decade long track record of significant success, and teams would pay him for that.

        • rainyperez

          11 years ago

          It isn’t just one year anymore. How can you trade a contract with already two lost seasons and justify a team paying $14 million? I mean wouldn’t that be the logical argument a team would make?

        • MaineSox

          11 years ago

          Miami approached Boston about this idea, so obviously not.

        • rainyperez

          11 years ago

          I think conversation went like this, “Here’s a joke what if we swapped Crawford for Ramirez and Bell?”

          Guy (source) in room didn’t hear the word joke and relayed it back to Nightengale.

        • MaineSox

          11 years ago

          Yeah, I’m sure that’s what happened…

        • Miguel Arias

          11 years ago

          “TJ surgery means essentially nothing when it comes to position players”
          Maybe in your world, but that means a lot to everyone else. Especially if it’s his throwing arm.

        • MaineSox

          11 years ago

          Position players don’t have to throw 100 pitches between 80 and 100 MPH, and they can come back from TJ surgery in 6 months. He can have it in the offseason and be back for spring training, and the success rate for positions players is even better than the success rate for pitchers. The effects from it for a position player are so minimal that they can continue to play through the injury without any real affect to their production. It really isn’t a big deal at all for a position player.

  36. Lefty

    11 years ago

    The idea surfaced briefly as a concept and immediately died.
    Will there be a “Memorial Service?”

    Reply
  37. rainyperez

    11 years ago

    One more thing I don’t understand is why the Marlins would have a fire sale in the year of opening up their new stadium? I’m not sure that inspires the people of Miami to buy season tickets let alone regular season tickets.

    Reply
  38. Jeffrey Wright

    11 years ago

    and who will report the Jason Bay for reyes trade so the marlins can send back the left side of the infield where they came from and only absorbing 300m from 2 non playing left fielders to do it

    Reply
  39. Paul Moore

    11 years ago

    NO NO NO….and……………NOOOOOOOOO!!!  Crawford was MONEY and he’ll continue TO BE MONEY!!  OVerpaid, ok, yeah, but he is an excellent ballplayer!!  I believe he’ll be vital for the Red Sox for years to come.   Ramirez has an attitude problem and Bell is not doing so well.   I hope this trade DOES NOT go through!!

    Reply
    • chris_synan1

      11 years ago

      i agree…

      Reply
  40. dc21892

    11 years ago

    I love Crawford and will back him 100% if his contract is over, but if I am Boston, DO IT.

    Reply
  41. chris_synan1

    11 years ago

    I think Carl Crawford is gonna bounce back and perform, even though he is never gonna live up to his contract even when he is playing at an elite level…I think Carl is a hard worker and is determined….and he is starting to play well…i feel he was dropped into a bad environment last from the start and it just messed him up with the lineup changes and the pressure….he is part of the rebuilding and new blood of this team…

    Reply
  42. Exposfan

    11 years ago

    “I don’t always own MLB teams but when I do, I blow them up” – Jeffrey Loria

    Reply
  43. RedSx799

    11 years ago

    of course Olney blows this out of the sky…because he didn’t put it out there

    Reply
  44. MB923

    11 years ago

    Not sure what surprised me more. This rumor, or suddenly Disqus completely changing its format.

    Reply
    • Jeffrey Wright

      11 years ago

      i thought it only changed on me lol good thing im not alone

      Reply
      • MB923

        11 years ago

        Haha, now it includes a Thumbs down (or dislike) part.

        Reply
    • MaineSox

      11 years ago

      Seriously. My head just stops spinning from the whole Crawford thing and Disqus goes and pulls this. I think I need a nap…

      Reply
  45. jwsox

    11 years ago

    people need to stop making a big deal about Crawford possibly needing Tommy John surgery. He isn’t a pitcher people. Position players recover from tj usually in a month or two. Considering they don’t pitch thus not
    Putting extra stress on the tendon it’s a quick easy and fast recovery type of procedure.

    Reply
  46. HARRISON ROSE

    11 years ago

    It would have been a good trade except where does Crawford play once Giancarlo returns, and what do the Sox do with Bell when Bailey shows up?

    Reply
    • MaineSox

      11 years ago

      I’d guess that Crawford play LF with LoMo at 1B, and Bell becomes a setup man.

      Reply
    • Jeffrey Wright

      11 years ago

      Crawford plays LF stanton plays RF

      Reply
  47. Daniel1216

    11 years ago

    What could the marlins get for anibal Sanchez and Johnson any ideas?

    Reply
    • Jeffrey Wright

      11 years ago

      spects for sanchie and a mix of younger controllable mlb players and prospects

      Reply
      • Jeffrey Wright

        11 years ago

        i just hope they can resign sanchez next year because hes sort of a fan faorite for marlins fans

        Reply
      • Daniel1216

        11 years ago

        Any scenarios in mind?

        Reply
        • Jeffrey Wright

          11 years ago

          it really just depends on the teams involved who i am haveing trouble deciding on who would get involved in either since their hasnt been any specific links to either

        • Daniel1216

          11 years ago

          This might be a bit far fetched but do you think we can build a package around Johnson for Justin upton the dbacks are looking for a top of the rotation starter

        • Jeffrey Wright

          11 years ago

          hanley would be a more of what they are looking for but i dont think marlins would necessarily have a pos. 4 him unless he could work in left

  48. LowcountryJoe

    11 years ago

    “The idea surfaced briefly as a concept and immediately died.”

    Ha! I enjoyed reading that quote. The only problem with it is that it perpetuates that dumb meme found in fantasy chats — you know the one; the one that ends in “Who hangs up first?” If I never heard that lame line again it would cause me happiness.

    Reply
  49. jondogg2010

    11 years ago

    Please Ben… DO THIS IMMEDIATELY!!!!!

    Reply
  50. Matt Carter

    11 years ago

    why dont the giants trade tim lincecum for hanley straight up? seems it fits both teams needs and they r both two young struggling stars

    Reply
    • rainyperez

      11 years ago

      Because Giants aren’t going to give up on a pitcher who received two Cy Young awards and delivered the city its first Championship in 56 years. He’s a major fan favorite in the Bay Area and there would be a huge PR mess the organization would have to sift through.

      Reply
  51. M.Kit

    11 years ago

    And people wonder why Crawford has felt uncomfortable in Boston

    Reply
  52. Daniel Han

    11 years ago

    huh

    Reply
  53. Blue387

    11 years ago

    Can the Mets have Jose Reyes back?

    The Marlins can have Mike Pelfrey and unlimited Shake Shack.

    Reply
    • Alex

      11 years ago

      I take that deal if I’m the Marlins. Shake Shack is awesome.

      Reply
  54. rsanchez1

    11 years ago

    Please, please let this be true. Bell AND Hanley out in one trade? WIN

    Reply
  55. notsureifsrs

    11 years ago

    this is why we need someone to keep stats on reporters. every rumor reported, every ‘source’ cited. i want to see people held accountable

    this rumor is the the sports reporter equivalent of the vernon wells trade

    Reply
  56. reds2012

    11 years ago

    This has to be the most one sided trade I have ever seen

    Reply

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