The Cubs are preparing to make a run at top free agent catcher Russell Martin, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports. That does not come as a significant surprise given Chicago’s apparent spending plans and its current roster alignment; indeed, MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes recently predicted that the Cubs would ultimately land Martin.
Of course, the Cubs are not the only club with significant interest in Martin, who had an outstanding 2014 campaign and stands alone on the starting catching market. As Heyman notes, the Dodgers, Pirates, Blue Jays, and even Red Sox have been connected to Martin in rumors or by way of analysis. And the list of plausible landing spots is probably longer than that.
At present, Welington Castillo sits atop the Chicago backstop depth chart, with John Baker in reserve. That unit ranked fourth from the bottom last year in terms of fWAR, with Castillo taking a big step back in terms of his offensive output. After two straight years of above-average production at the plate, to go with BABIP tallies that landed just under the .350 mark, Castillo managed only a .237/.296/.389 line over 417 plate appearances, in 2014. And both Stat Corner and Baseball Prospectus are down on his work behind the dish.
Castillo did register double-digit home runs (13) for the first time last year, and remains a valuable young player. But there is little doubt that Martin would represent a significant upgrade.
Totally plausible the Cubs land Martin as well as A and B level starting pitchers. Could easily see Lester, Peavy, and Martin all on the north side.
We got 9 million top prospects, a ton of money and no pitching, and a young, controllable, average hitting catcher named Castillo. Lets sign a catcher for big money, guys! Cubs make me wonder sometimes.
yeah, i’ll believe it when i see it. They’re going to give 4 years and 50 million guaranteed to a catcher after making all that noise about Schwarber starting the year as a AA catcher… They may want Martin, but i doubt they’re the ones offering the biggest deal.
To play the other side, it would be nice to have a veteran like Martin in place in a couple years *if* Schwarber is then ready to catch some games at the big league level. It’s unlikely Schwarber will ever be catching five or six games a week, and pairing him with Martin sounds pretty reasonable to me.
in a perfect world that’d be great, no denying that. I just don’t see it likely that the Cubs would commit 15 million a year to a part time catcher… or that Martin’s all that interested in the arrangement either.
Schwarber is still a few years away from being a full-time starter (or close to it). The idea with Martin is to pay him big money to be our main catcher for the next few seasons and then as a mentor to Schwarber after that. If we’re lucky, Martin’s numbers won’t fall off before that happens.
Schwarber is not a ML catcher. He’ll likely move to 1B
Totally disagree. I’m from Indiana and I have seen many Indiana Hoosiers baseball games and Schwarber is very underrated catcher. He really is. He can handle being a catcher at the ML level
I have never seen the guy play. I have heard it from people in the industry. You probably have a better idea than me if you have seen him play
I have. I’m not saying he’s going to be a gold glover or anything. No where close like Yadi Molina. But how good his bat is, his catching skills is good enough
Don’t see the Red Sox being the slightest bit interested in Martin. They have other more pressing needs like starting pitching, 3rd base and some bullpen help. Signing Martin would only block what they see as their catching prospects.
I’m guessing Martin will come down to Chicago, LA, Pittsburgh, and Toronto.
So it will come down to Chicago v LA, no way PIT or TOR can keep up in that bidding war.
Yeah, most likely, they said Boston was also interested but they got a couple young catchers either in their system or already with the big league club. Martin is from Canada so he might consider Toronto.
Toronto can if they really want to. The have one of the richest ownership groups in the sport. They usually just don’t want to.
Even if the Jays really want Martin they still have to get him to come north of the border and sometimes the player wants a premium for that. Personally, I love Toronto but it seems a lot of players don’t wanna go up there. Toronto is kind of like Seattle in that regard.
Martin is Canadian…
You are correct, my bad. That should make Toronto much more appealing.
He’d be a big upgrade for both, so its possible they could bid up against each other till the numbers get silly.
I think he’s priced himself out of returning to the Pirates.
I don’t think so. IMO, he’s lined up for a 5 year, 75 million dollar deal and, the Pirates should be in on that price. The Pirates offered Martin and Liriano a QO so, it’s not like they can’t afford one of them accepting it. So, I think it’s certainly possible.
Draven…as a Pirate fan, I put it at a 04.5% chance of him returning. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
And I think you right, and I’d say they’re better off not overspending to get him after his career year. But, it’s not like they couldn’t go after him if they wanted, it’s just not a typical move the Pirates would make, overspending on players.
Seemingly every team out there is going to make a run at Russ. It is good to be Russ this offseason.
1. I have this as one of my picks. I just want to say this now, so if it happens before the 7th, I can have it on record.
2. I think this would be a great signing. Russell Martin is a quality catcher and pitchers (like the free agent pitchers that the Cubs want to sign) like working with him. And they have all those young kids on the team who could use a veteran to guide them. This would work.
Tigers still have not exercised their 2015 option on Avila. Could be talking with Martin now.
Dont need to, have till Nov 20, then can still go through Arb even if we decline the option.
Avila is an excellent defensive catcher by all the metrics, so i really dont see DD wasting whatever FA budget we have on a position that doesnt desperately need filling.
But. Avila has had an awful lot of concussions. That might be an issue, sooner rather than later.
Maybe down the line, but i dont see that as a line in the Tigs thinking short term.
It really depends on how bad his concussion issues are.
Avila also has that concussion issue. I don’t know if DD is going to want to gamble he can stay healthy. The clock on them is running out. Miggy, Verlander, Sanchez and Kinsler aren’t getting any younger.
Would be a mistake. They are going to have problems come 2016 with all the contracts they have.
This would be a big mistake for the Tigers, upgrading a position that doesn’t need to be. I get it, Avila has had concussions issues the past two years but, no need to sign a big deal when their is no point, especially when Avila is pretty good when he is healthy. Also remember, Avila’s father is apart of the Tiger’s FO (I believe, correct me if I’m wrong).
His father is Al Avila, the assistant general manager and a vice president of the Detroit Tigers
True… but he is a Father first, Assistant GM second. Avila has had a good career. Does Alex really want to take a concussion risk of someday not remembering his kids when he gets older?
the Giants just outrighted Bruce Bochy’s son. Baseball’s not a very sentimental business.
I doubt it. The Tigers have stated they are limited by budget constraints this off season. Their outfield, 3B and BP situation will certainly take priority over spending big on Martin.
If Avila is gone, Catcher is more important than signing VMART or even a BP piece.
Exactly, why create an unnecessary need by non-tendering Avila when the Tiger already have needs to fill and limited payroll space.
I think youre panicking over Avila with no reason.
Hes said hes fine, the scans are all clear, sure his concussions arent great, but come April he’ll be in the Opening Day lineup without doubt.
As the top free agent catcher on the market and the Cubs average-ness (i just made that word up i think) at the position, its an obvious fit for Martin, but hes no doubt going to get big interest.
Its going to take an overpay whoever gets him, be interesting to see just how much.
In Pittsburgh Russel Martin built the reputation as the catcher that turns mid-tier starting pitchers into aces (See Liriano, Burnett, Volquez). He would have been highly sought after even if he hadn’t put up a career offensive year in 2014.
Martin has been a great handler of pitchers since his first season with the Dodgers.
Makes almost too much sense for the Cubs at this point. They may have to pay a premium for his offensive statistics from last year but people underestimate the value of a proven veteran with defense behind the plate and Martin does it all well (especially frame pitches) and his bat is far from useless.
Good, LOVE it. Really hoping the 2 big guys the Cubs get is Lester and Martin. I also think they could surprise us by trading for Hamels but it depends on what exactly Phillies are wanting. Cubs aren’t going to give up any of the very top prospects.
The Cubs are loaded with prospects. Getting Hamels will cost something. The Phillies ask of the Red Sox was Betts, Owens, Swihart, Margot (which was nuts). What would be a fair deal from the Cubs point of view? Would you include high K guys like Baez or Alcantara?
OO I know they wont get him for free. I think if the Cubs eat the whole contract and I would trade them Travis Wood, Alcantara, Vogelbach, and some lower-level high upside guy for him. I think that is pretty fair
You say the Cubs won’t get him for free, and yet that is basically what the proposal indicates
How? Cubs eat the whole contract, Wood has been an all star before, Alcantara and Vogelbach both top 100 prospects and the lower level prospect be one of our better arms down in A or A+
Yea and the Phillies are asking for 3 TOP prospects along with teams taking on most if not all of the money. Like posted earlier, they asked the Red Sox for Betts, Owens, Swihart and more for just Hamels. No money attached coming to Boston.
I’d make Baez the centerpiece of a Hamels trade. Someone has to go in the Castro/Baez/Russell middle infield and Baez’s numbers suggest a huge gamble, one that the Cubs should be willing to send off to someone else. Cubs can afford to take on Hamels’ contract (they claimed him after all) so all the cash plus Baez should get a deal pretty close with a few minor pieces thrown in.
I’d rather have Baez+others and Lester for $150 million than just Hamels for $90-110 million
Baez is expendable with Russell knocking on the door, and the Cubs could then have both Lester and Hamels while not losing much of anything up the middle with Castro and Russell. I’d like to keep all of them as well, but if there is a log-jam Baez is my vote to be cashed in for a need elsewhere.
Much more likely Cubs get Montero or Carlos Ruiz in a trade and Martin goes to Texas.
Watching the press conference yesterday you could see the Cubs are all in this winter. I can see them signing Lester or Shields, Peavy or McCarthy, and another pitcher. Martin seems to be a good fit. I think they will also move some prospects like Addison, Almora, or Soler for a stud pitching prospect.
They aren’t all in. Addison, Almora, and Soler will NOT be getting trade, guarantee it. Will they sign an ace? Yes. But they aren’t all in
I would trade Addison to the Nats, Mets, or Marlins for pitching. Giolitto, Syndergaard, or Heaney!
No Thanks
Elite prospect for elite prospect trades like that never happen
The last one I can think of is the Montero for Pineda swap like 5 years ago between the Yanks and Mariners. And we all know that did not turn out to well for either side.
Giolito may be the most untouchable pitching prospect at this point in the game.
I would not trade Russell or Soler. Nor would I trade Bryant and I would have a hard time trading Almora. I would trade Alcantara and Baez though because I think they are long shots to hit based on bad plate discipline and lousy K/BB rates. They are both young but statistically speaking it’s historically difficult to fix issues extreme as their’s. I know Cub fans are excited about Baez and rightfully so. His bat speed is second to none. I just have a hard time seeing him becoming a star because of his plate discipline. Plus I think Russell is going to be this generation’s Derek Jeter (with defense). I’d go get something decent with Baez while he still has prospect shine.
And think how much easier it would be to sell the Cubs as a destination for that TOR arm if the they could say “Oh, and you will be pitching to Martin”
Russell, Almora, and Soler seem like the least likely guys to be traded of the Cubs’ collection. Would rather see Baez go if the deal was right.
I don’t think Baez unlocks any of those Mets arms they have stashed. Baez is 52 flavors of raw
Would the cubs have to give up a draft pick due to his QO?
2nd round. 1st round is protected
Noted. Given the Cubs ability to draft well, Russell is looking extremely pricey to me. No thanks!
It is pretty easy to draft well when you have years at the top of the draft. Ask the Rays
I thought so too. I was sort of surprised that the Cubs were still interested after the QO, knowing Theo’s desire to develop prospects for future growth.
yeah but at some point you have to win now, and with the cubs’ stacked farm system draft picks that won’t bloom for another 5 years isn’t exactly the timetable Theo is on.
I like the idea of signing Russell, and what he can bring to team. He’s a guy that is easy to talk up his strengths and what he would add to the club, however he comes with some risks- specifically, being injury-prone and his .340(ish) BABIP inflating his stat line last year. If Martin agrees to a deal appropraite for a 110 game-a-season catcher, likely to produce a line closer to his career .250/.350/.400, then I’m all for it.
A .750 OPS catcher that draws walks and frames pitches well would be a welcomed addition. Martin is known for working well with pitchers and could help mentor Welington Catstillo, and more likely keep the spot warm for Schwarber, who may well be the Cubs real catcher of the future. Castillo looks to have blown his shot at the startering job, too bad because he seemed to have a lot of potential on both sides of the ball…
No more than a 3 year deal for Martin.
I’d rather try and buy low on a trade for Montero, maybe a package of Lake, Olt, Wood, might get it done. Prolly not that seems pretty low low.
Lake and Olt look a lot like AAA roster fill.
Come to the White Sox with V-Mart, Jason Hammel, and Luke Gregerson
Gotta have a lefty power bat
No Martin needs to go to Texas now chirnios is not going to be good next year
True, but he is a young prospect with an injury in his recent past!