In his latest Inside Baseball column, Jon Heyman of CBS Sports kicks off by discussing Ryan Howard’s increased trade value. Howard is hitting .256/.298/.519 with 10 homers this season, and while the OBP is lackluster, he’s performed particularly well of late, hitting .307/.340/.602 with six homers this month (a .389 BABIP on the month, though, is heavily influencing those numbers). The Phils were willing to pay down $35MM or so of Howard’s remaining contract this offseason, and doing so would make him a roughly $10MM player this season and next. While Heyman notes that might be seen as a fair price, he adds that some scouts and executives will want to see more sustained production before considering a move, which strikes me as more than reasonable; I doubt three weeks of hot hitting have transformed him from albatross into hot commodity. The Orioles, Royals and Rays all discussed Howard with the Phillies this offseason but went different directions, and Heyman looks at those three teams as well as five others in determining if there’s a fit to be made. Howard received 10-and-5 rights on May 2, however, allowing him to veto any deal. And while many reports have indicated it won’t get in the way of a trade, Heyman hears that Howard is happier in Philadelphia now than he was over the winter and wonders if he might require some kind of incentive to waive those rights.
Some more highlights from a lengthy column …
- The Orioles never really came close to reaching an extension with starter Chris Tillman this spring, and talks are on hold at present. The 27-year-old has scuffled early this year with a 5.59 ERA over 48 1/3 innings.
- David Robertson could have taken home even more than the $46MM promised to him by the White Sox, says Heyman, as an unnamed team offered him more this winter. That provides yet more reason to believe that plenty of teams are still willing to pay top dollar for premium relievers.
- While the Tigers are very interested in attempting to retain Yoenis Cespedes beyond the current year, Heyman says that all signs point to him reaching free agency. Detroit can, of course, pursue him on the open market, but sources tell Heyman that Cespedes is unlikely to agree to an extension.
- Likewise, the Tigers don’t appear to have much hope of an extension with ace David Price, and Heyman says they “aren’t overwhelmingly confident” that he’ll be back. Detroit’s front office believes that Price will look to top Max Scherzer’s contract.
- The Astros are sorting through many pitching acquisition possibilities, and Aaron Harang of the Phillies has “at least been discussed” by the club. Fellow Philadelphia starter Cole Hamels may come with too much contract for Houston, but Heyman reports that the club does see Reds free agent-to-be Johnny Cueto as a possibility.
- While Brewers GM Doug Melvin has given signals that he’s ready to sell early, owner Mark Attanasio may prefer the club hold off until at least the upcoming draft. While PR considerations seem to be a factor, that may be the best strategy anyway; the team could still get out ahead of the market, while allowing it to mature somewhat before acting.
- Be sure to check out the piece for more interesting items around the league.
What would it take for the Astros to get harang?
The Astros were the team that made Robertson that offer….bet hes mad he didn’t take it now…….
Robertson signed a very good contract, and just because the ChiSox are struggling right now, they have a very bright future and can easily get into playoff contention this year, Its still only May. The Astros can drop just as easy as well…. too early to be regretting contracts, especially when he’s like the 1st or 2nd highest paid closer in the game…
True but it still seem’s as if Robertson didn’t even consider their offer seriously….
He still made the right decision I think. Nobody thought the Astros would be this good this soon, and everyone had the ChiSox as instant contenders after all the moves they made in the off-season (Samardzija / Cabrera / LaRoche) and Robertson to go along with what they had (Sale, Abreu, Rodon)
I think Scherzer may pitch better then Price over the curse of their next contracts…..
“Cursed” with 200 Million+ contracts? If say the Dodgers get Price, Price would pitch in bigger stadiums than Scherzer… You have to factor where they play in it too as well as the talent of that pitcher.
He meant course
i know…
What evidence do you have? Scherzer has a violent arm delivery, has been at the top pitcher for a shorter period of time, is older and is a righty.
His delivery was violent when he was in AZ. The Tigers smoothed it out. That’s why he hasn’t had arm issues.
What did the ninth inning say to Max Scherzer? “have we met before?”
Could you imagine how crazy It would be if Howard had the nerve too veto a trade…..
He’s earned the right to Veto any trade…. His wife and her family are from Philly, he has a mansion in Clearwater, FL… and he was born and raised in St Louis.. So unless the trade is to the Rays, Cards or Orioles… he just may veto a trade.
Philly fan’s would hate him for life……
They hate him now… and ever since he got hurt.. so nothing new there.
Not so , I have no problem him taking take of his interests first, Let see what happens.
Only the ones that don’t understand he isn’t blocking anyone.
Ryan Howard vetoing a trade does nothing to prevent the Phillies rebuild.
Seriously…. Amaro has done more to prevent the Phillies rebuild than Howard hypothetically turning down a trade…
agreed.
The Cards are on his no trade clause because even though he is from STL, he doesn’t want to go back. He had a big falling out with his family a few years back.
He has a full no trade clause and hasn’t had a no trade list since last season. The Phillies asked him to leave the 9 A.L. teams that they thought would most want Howard off his list and he did that. Thus, the Cardinals were on his no trade list because of the team, not Howard.
Hey Price! Come join your buddies Maddon & Martinez in Chicago! You’d slot in perfectly in front of Lester, Arrieta, Hammel & Hendricks!
May want to hold off the invite until he becomes a FA.
I figured that would of been implied..
If the Cubs want to take advantage of the Cards losses of Wainwright and Adams, they would be better off trading for Hamels than waiting to pay Price more than Lester next year for another long contract. Cubs have just as good a chance to land Hamels as Boston does. They want Hamels too.
I agree, but they’re not trading Russell or Bryant and knowing how Amaro does things, he probably asked for at least one and that’s just laughable. I’d honestly trade Schwarber and CJ Edwards + another top 10 for him and maybe Papelbon. Cubs taking on all $.
Hamels & Papelbon to the Cubs for Schwarber, Edwards, Baez, Wood and Almora.
No ,Hamels is All-Star Pitcher, Phillies don’t want Quantity but Quality !
3 Top 10 prospects in one of the best minor league systems and a former top 10 prospect in all of baseball isn’t quality? Lol
TAMPERING!
Detroit’s front office believes that Price will look to top Max Scherzer‘s contract.
See this is what the problem with Baseball is these days.
Players and Pitchers are worried about Money. They aren’t worried about the best they could be. Do you think Pete Rose was worried about money? No, he was worried about winning! Sure he had other issues, but getting a top contract wasn’t one of them. Tom Seaver? Johnny Bench? Willie Mays? Nolan Ryan? They all had long careers. These guys were worshiped. They are remembered for their play on the field. Not their contract! Max Scherzer is going to be remembered for making an owner pay him when he is 40 something and the owner will be 103!
This is ….. well unacceptable to me! It certainly doesn’t give me joy that is for sure.
I know I go to work for the intrinsic value it provides to me – it has nothing to do with getting paid and putting food on my family’s table….
All of the guys you mentioned played the game to get paid. None of them played the game because they wanted to be looked up to. They played it because it was the best way for them to get paid. We as fans need to get over the fact that these guys are overpaid.
Until we start filling stadiums (at $50 dollars a pop, nonetheless) to watch the people who truly deserve to get paid do their jobs (teachers, firemen, soldiers, etc.) we just need to come to grips with the fact that athletes are going to continue to be paid more than we want them to.
I get your point but I had to giggle that you picked the person banned for life from the game for GAMBLING as the example of if they were worried about money. Yeah I do think he was worried about money, but I do agree, being the best and winning did drive Pete Rose as well.
This. A guy gambling on his own team isn’t concerned with money? A guy who signs a free agent contract with the putrid 1984 Expos wasn’t chasing the dollars?
There is a lot of money pouring into baseball, and the players are the main reason for it.
I see no problem with the stars trying to get their fair share of the pie.
If you want the massive contracts to get smaller, stop giving them loads of money every year.
It’s also these outrageous TV deals. Then you have silly companies paying an outrageous amount for TV time for their commercials.
The idea of cable TV originally was to pay a premium like a whopping 50 bucks a month so that there were no commercials. Now almost every cable station has commercials. Even the MLB Newtwork has stopped to having Pfizer commercials for their product. I mean kids are watching and it is incomprehensible to me. TV managers have to bring in revenue and they don’t care who it is from as long as they get money to support the cause. These huge contracts put huge amounts of pressure on everyone including the player. and on top of that they are guaranteed contracts, which boggles my mind. Look I am not trying to take food out of anyone’s mouth, but Schezer’s contact is worse than a mortgage. That was just beyond anything that I have ever seen.
You can thank Tom Hicks for the 250mil to A-Rod in 2001 all the way too Loria and Stanton 325mil last year…..just wait for the Harper deal it’s really going to be outrageous maybe 400mil……
They should be guaranteed contracts. These guys have short careers and sacrifice their bodies. Think Sandy Koufax, who retired at 30, would have liked to have a guaranteed contract during those seasons the Dodgers were running him into the ground?
Actually, think the guaranteed part is the issue that irks me, esp when some players put in cruise control once they get that huge contact. Rather have NFL structure in all sports but too late for that to happen.
The NFL contract structure is awful for the players – they can be released without pay just because they get hurt doing their job. If you think baseball players change teams a lot look at the NFL sometime. And a majority of NFL players are broke within 5 years of leaving the sport, while the owners reap billions. It’s an awful system.
If the teams are dumb enough to give these contracts the players would be fools to turn them down. No one is going to hold a gun to the heads of the owners who sign Price, Grienke, etc…..
Pete Rose was a compulsive gambler. Of course he was worried about money. You should read about Pete Rose sometime. Do you think he went to Montreal because he wanted to win? And you are aware that Willie Mays played before free agency, right? And Tom Seaver signed a huge FA contract (at the time) to go to the White Sox. Ryan’s career straddled free agency – as soon as he could become a free agent he signed two (at the time) very large FA contracts, first with Houston and then at age 42 with the Rangers. He basically made all of his money after he reached free agency.
In addition to this, BR says Pete Rose made over $7MM in his career, which is a lot of money for someone who retired in the mid-80s. Further, his post-baseball career has been all about money, as Rose endorses plenty and tries to sell memorabilia at every turn.
No kidding. Pete Rose is the epitome of money hungry and selfish. He bores(rhymes with the word I really want to use) his name and image anywhere and everywhere that will throw him a dollar. He’ll even sell you a chance to sit down to dinner with him. He then hung on for years at the end, as a below average player, only to chase a personal record of most hits. People want to bash A-Rod for still playing only to chase records and money, but at least he is still productive.
Rose ONLY played because someone thought him valuable enough to play. Whether it was for his playing ability or as a gate attraction or as player-manager, SOMEONE thought him good enough to pay. That these other long term contracts are given is sheer insanity, IMO, but it’s their money.
What are you talking about? The guys I grew up watching were real men and heroes. They didn’t care about money and only played for the love of the game. Today’s players are babies and cheaters, who are money hungry and lazy.
If you could only hear my grouchy old man voice it really helps to drive my point home.
That’s nonsense. Players back in the “good old days” didn’t have any leverage to go on the open market. The Cardinals could shove a “take it or leave it” contract at Musial, Gibson, Boyer and they didn’t have any options other than quit. Pujols DID have an option and the Angels were stupid enough to give him a contract that will pay Albert over $30m when he is 40+ years old. But he earned it by working hard and becoming one of the greatest hitters in history.
Rose left his hometown Reds for (at the time) was one of the largest contracts in baseball with the Phillies. Ryan became the first million dollar a year player in baseball when he signed with Houston.
I don’t like how much money they get paid either. I would love to be able to afford to go to more games, but the ticket prices, and even my cable bill to watch the games at home, keeps going up. I used to go to 20-30 games a year. Now its about 5. Still, I understand Price wanting a better contract than Scherzer-He’s a better pitcher.
Rose, Seaver, Bench, Mays, Ryan ALL wanted money but until free agency began, they didn’t have many options. Then Rose left Cinci for a huge contract in Philadelphia and Ryan left the Angels for Houston and became the first million dollar a year player. Don’t think for a moment Musial, Mays, Aaron, Mantle or Ted Williams wouldn’t have left their teams for better deals IF they could have.
1. Scherzer’s contract is not as big as it seems. it is less than the Verlander/Felix level if you factor in the time value of money. Only $10MM more than Lester according to FanGraphs.
2. No reason for the Tigers to overpay for Price now when they have Cueto/Zimmerman/Shark/Fister as backup options. No way all 5 will get overpaid.
3. Cespedes is a perfect fit for LF at Comerica Park. However, he is a star, not a superstar. No reason for the Tigers to overpay here.
I think it all depends on how you define “overpay.” At some point one would think teams would wise up and stop giving 6-7 year contracts and regrets like the Phillies did with Ryan Howard, Chase Utley and Cliff Lee. But if Philly turns things around in the next few years, they’ll be right back out there in the market.
1. Scherzer’s contract is ridiculous when considering the Nationals had no competition to signing him.
2. When has a premier FA ever chosen the Tigers as first choice? They overpaid to get I-Rod and Magglio, and even paid top dollar to Fielder when there was no competition for his services.
3. I am in agreement on Cespedes. Moya is left handed (which they need) and a fairly similar type of player. Hopefully he will be ready. They will need to save their money for Pitching.
Too much playing time to go in 2015 to see what SP will fetch. Cueto an Zimmerman have had injury concerns which could lower their value or they could bounce back. Price has not looked as dominate as in the past and could also get injury issues. As the year progresses values will go up and down and options may be elimated.
Cespedes is a very good #6 hitter with a .265/.315/.465 slash line and will average 20-25HR and 85-100RBI. If he is asked to perform as a #3-5 hitter, his numbers will suffer. Not even a “star” player if he continues his “all or nothing” approach at the plate and piles up the SO. Could really be a .300+ hitter by going to all fields. Has had some success doing that in 2015. Losing VMart has really hurt the Tigers and without someone like him to hit in the #4-5 slot, Cespedes will not get good pitches to hit and struggle. He really is excellent at making a pitcher pay for a mistake, but has little plate discipline. I agree, he fits well in LF but if he wants to get paid as a #3-4-5 he needs to perform better.
Then those clubs need to be Playing in AAA Players , Not Majors !
Howard is going to net a decent return if he keeps hitting and the Phils kick in some serious cash.
Doubt he keeps hitting, already down to 115 wRC+ with a under 300 OBP the ISO will regress next
Bettis had a perfect game against the Phils into the seventh inning last night and a no-hiiter into the eighth. Colorado beat the Phils 4-1. It’s intersting to speculate what the Phils would be like without Howard and Revere in the lineup this season and if the Phils can really afford to trade either or both players at this stage of the club’s rebuilding project.
With his performance so far, the Tigers rookie catcher, James McCann, has done what the other highly rated catching prospects in baseball have failed to do. He has increased his value AFTER reaching the majors. If the Tigers really wish to go all in this year, upon Avila coming back from the DL, move him as a centerpiece of a trade for Hamels. With Verlander expected back by then, that would give the Tigers a rotation of Price, Hamels, Sanchez, Simon, Verlander and Greene. Not a bad 6-man rotation. (maybe move Simon to the bullpen).
I hope you mean to include Avila in the trade, not McCann. They would be foolish to part with McCann. He will be a solid fixture in Detroit at a very difficult position to fill. He will hit, play good defense, and be very affordable for years. Not worth it to trade him for Hamels but I really like your idea of trying to get Hamels.
Avila wouldn’t get Hamels, McCann would. Trading McCann would not empty the Tigers of minor league catching depth. McCann is good, but if he gets Hamels (and hopefully a WS), then we can wait for the next catcher in the system.
So you would be OK to have Holiday as the everyday catcher in 2016? Avila will not be signed and nobody on the farm is ready to step up..McCann is not Minor League depth, he is the Major League starter til Avila comes back. Even then they will be 40/60 or 45/55 split.
Tigers are in a funk now with VMart out and Hamels will not get them a WS at this point. SP is not the biggest problem. I agree AA will not get Hamels, and I would love to add him but not losing McCann as a part of the deal. Still plenty of time before the trade deadline and my gut says the Phillies will milk their position til the final days.
James McCann is a promising player who has a 101 OPS+ in 100 major league at bats. Keep in mind that the price for Sanchez was a top 20 overall prospect, a catcher who was better in the minors than McCann, and a another pitcher. Sanchez had never had a 4.0 bWAR season and Hamels has had five consecutive seasons over 4.5 bWAR.
You need to put in two guys like Smyly and Franklin in with McCann to get Hamels.
I know that Hamels will require much more than McCann but you should also be aware that the prospects mentioned above were for Sanchez and Infante.
That’s true but in Sanchez’s best year he wasn’t as good as Hamels’ worst year. And the Price deal was only for Price. The Tigers simply don’t have players left as well regarded as Smyly and Turner were at the time of those deals.
With his dad in the front office, I’m betting that Avila could be open to resigning with the Tigers. I’m fine with Holaday as the back up for next year. I am expecting Victor to be back at the 15 day mark. I do, however, realize that to get something, you have to give up something. I would love for the Tigers to keep McCann, but I realize that they are probably not going to resign Price, or the other top FA pitchers. Detroit is not a free agents first choice. Without starting pitching, the Tigers (or most any team) will have no chance to contend. Hamels would be a nice addition for this year, and be a NECCESSARY rotation piece for next year. While not cheap, he is in the range the Tigers can afford. If the Tigers don’t trade McCann, who can they trade to improve the team? Dixon Machado looked smooth in the field, but I don’t think he would bring back a substantial piece on his own.
No, only 50 years ! Schwareris a DH at most, Baez is a Strikeout King, Almora a fourth outfielder, McKinney average at Best, and Volelback,can’t field,can’t run or throw,another Dh in waiting! NONE are Quality!