MAY 23: On the heels of last week’s comments about exploring the trade market early this season, Hahn said in an appearance on MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM that his team has “had a lot of discussions” as he looks to strengthen the White Sox’ playoff hopes (links to Twitter). “You’re so much better served getting that guy in early June than late July,” said Hahn, adding that his team “could always use additional pitching” and “could probably use another left-handed hitter to balance the lineup.” Hoping to make a trade and actually striking an agreement, however, are two different stories, and Hahn implied that at this point, there appears to be a lack of motivated sellers: “…but unless we can find a dance partner, then nothing will come to fruition.”
It’s not surprising that few clubs are anxious to sell of pieces just yet. As things stand, all but a few teams around the league are within reasonable striking distance of a Wild Card spot, if not a division lead. And, for the few teams that look like they’ll be definitive sellers in two months’ time, there’s some merit to the idea of hanging onto their top chips for the time being, until there’s a greater market of buyers, which could drive up the price or at least present a wider array of young talent from which to choose.
MAY 19: The White Sox are ready to make a significant upgrade this summer if the opportunity presents itself, writes Bruce Levine of CBS Chicago. Sox GM Rick Hahn appeared on WSCR’s “Inside the Clubhouse” show earlier this week, Levine notes, and expressed an aggressive approach toward improving his roster. “We are prepared to make a big move today if it presents itself,” said Hahn. “Our timing may not line up with the other 29 clubs just yet. It is a little early in the process. A lot of clubs don’t make those moves until June or July. We are having conversations right now hoping it comes together more quickly than that.” Hahn did acknowledge that it may take another three to four weeks before clubs begin warming to the idea of moving players.
Levine writes that the Sox will be looking to upgrade the fourth and fifth spots in their rotation, behind lefties Chris Sale, Jose Quintana and Carlos Rodon. Having already designated John Danks for assignment and having seen Mat Latos struggle to a 7.84 ERA over his four most recent starts, it’s not exactly a surprise to hear the Sox connected to pitching upgrades. While there may be some optimism that Latos can right the ship to some extent, his strong start — 0.74 ERA through his first 24 1/3 innings — was largely fueled by a .167 BABIP, and his continually declining strikeout rate and velocity don’t paint an optimistic picture moving forward.
The Sox have some internal options to cycle through for the time being, including right-handers Miguel Gonzalez, Erik Johnson, Anthony Ranaudo, Chris Beck and Scott Carroll. However, Beck is entirely untested at the big league level, and the others have not enjoyed much in the way of recent success. Last year’s first-round pick, Carson Fulmer, has been a source of hope for some Sox fans, but he got off to a rough start to the season at Double-A Birmingham, and while his ERA has improved of late, Fulmer has also walked 13 batters in his past nine innings (two starts), making it something of a stretch to anticipate that he’d be equipped to step into the Major League rotation anytime soon.
While the back of the rotation is a clear area of current need, Levine suggests that it should at least be considered that the Sox would look to upgrade the back of their bullpen as well, despite a strong performance from the current relief corps. Levine lists James Shields, Andrew Miller and Aroldis Chapman as possible targets, though it’s not entirely clear how much of their inclusion is speculative in nature. The Yankees, after all, haven’t made a habit of selling off veteran pieces in the past and, for all their struggles, are within a reasonable distance of the division lead (7.5 games) and a Wild Card spot (4 games). If anything, I’d imagine they fall firmly into the mix of clubs that’ll be waiting (at least) four weeks or so before making any kind of decision as to their direction on the summer trade market. As for Shields, he’s a difficult trade target to assess; his 3.12 ERA looks impressive, but his secondary stats don’t support that mark, and the $44MM remaining on his contract after this season, if he does not exercise his upcoming opt-out clause, is a lot to stomach for an 34-year-old pitcher that has not looked as sharp in San Diego as he did in Kansas City.
Sucks to see Latos struggling more now, he started the season pretty strong
he started the season great i agree but he was very lucky. his siera was bottom 10 for starters and currently sits 3rd last in the mlb.
Are you really surprised though? He just came back to reality. I was rooting for him too.
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May 23: does Sanchez and Ventura have pictures of Jerry, Williams, and Hahn? If not, why the hell are they in the majors? They both suck!!!
Teheran, vizcaino fit well here. Vizcaino gives them an elite bullpen. (robertson, jones, vizcaino 9,8,7 albers/Putnam for the 6th). Still need a ss, cf, and better dh though.
Chicago doesn’t have the pieces to trade for Teheran unless their willing to talk about Adam Eaton
Teheran isn’t good. He’s a 3/4 ish type pitcher. Eaton is quietly being pretty awesome.
Tehran has 2 potential still. Though he hasn’t shown it recently. That being said the Braves would be looking for a solid prospect and to take on salary to complete a deal. Otherwise the price is going to scare away any possible trade partners.
He has 2 potential? He walks too many people and has already lost 2mph on his fastball. No one is buying him as a potential 2 (except maybe the dbacks)
Teheran’s posted a 1.15 ERA over his last six starts. It actually looks like he’s settled in and could be back to his 2014 numbers. I’d say he’s shown it recently. And what salary are you talking about? He’s signed dirt cheap on one of the most affordable contracts for a SP in the majors through the 2020 season. Furthermore the Braves are not going to do anything that jeopardizes their ability to compete as soon as next year. It would probably take a huge package for them to even listen to offers on Teheran right now.
Or that’s a tiny sample size which includes 3 games where he has a lob of 100%…. Look at his fip and xfip
Hahaha, what ability to compete next year? 2018 is the earliest for them, and that’s assuming they hit on ALL their prospects. Teheran is a 3 or 4 starter. Career era-90 career fip-103. You don’t count on a guy that’s only 10% above league average despite a below average fip as a top 2. The sox have 3 top 100 prospects, fulmer and Anderson as high as the 20’s on some lists. They certainly have the pieces to get it done. Even tyler Danish would wind up as the braves third best pitching prospect.
@ Jon429, you are dreaming if you think the Braves are competing next year. As a Brave’s fan they are looking at 3 years down the road at least right now.. All of the young arms they have are 3/4 starters at best. The Braves have Albias and Swanson in the pipeline and not much else. Yes, they’ll use free agency but the next year for that to be ripe is the 2017/2018 class.
I was talking about the Braves taking on salary as part of a Tehran deal to increase the level of the prospect they would receive in a trade since they have a lot of cap space.
Brood I tried explaining that the other day and got crazy backlash. Outside of Newcomb and allard it’s a bunch of back-end arms. All are is 3 yrs away, and Newcomb hasn’t improved his control and secondaries enough. They also still have 4 holes offensively even if albies and Swanson are up next year and playing well. Catcher, 3b, lf and rf. They have no ace and no bullpen. 2018 if everything works out, 2019 most likely and 2020 can be legit w.s. contenders. Look at the cubs timeline and that was with rizzo, schwarber, russell, baez, bryant, soler. The braves only have the 2 prospects on that level.
First, the Braves FO has been very transparent about their intent on competing in 2017, personally I’m with you and I don’t see it, BUT I also didn’t see them going from having one of the worst farm systems in baseball to being in the top 5 in a single year, so I’m not writing them off for next year yet.
Fried, Soroka, Povse, Barker, Newcomb, Ellis, Sims, Jenkins, Blair, all just to name a few. They are all backend arms? No wonder you got crazy backlash. If you’re prediction is correct then lets go ahead and fire everyone in the Braves FO as well as all respected beat-writers and sports analysts who see a bright future for the Braves organization.
It’s true they lack positional depth. But that will be fixed through FA signings, trades, international FA market and the draft. They probably will trade Teheran. It just won’t be for the grade-C prospects you’d hope to get him for.
The cubs also have fortunately stumbled upon one of the best pitchers in MLB right now. FInding that without having to pay 30m/yr for it is a huge help too.
Which of those pitchers do you see as front line talent?
Here we go, turn it into a Cubs Sox argument “chesterarthur”. Go away
What are you even talking about?
The Braves have a top5 system because of the # of middle level prospects they have. Albias and Swanson may be something like an Addison Russell at best or a Baez at worst. The Braves do not have an ace in the pipeline or a mid-order impact bat. They are smoke in mirrors right now for prospects.
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I get what you are saying, but being able to fill out 3-5 ish in your rotation on the cheap can be very helpful for a team. Just look at what it cost the cardinals to sign someone like Mike Leake, for example.
What you say is true, about the impact bat and true ace in the pipeline as far as the high majors are concerned. But it sounds as if you are implying that these players won’t further develop. Some have top of the rotation ceilings according to scouting reports. If you want to draw a Cubs comparison, how many people could’ve forseen Arrieta being as good as he’s been? I know he didn’t blow anyone away when he was with Baltimore.
@chesteraarthur Teheran has been pitching great as of late. Not trying to convince you, just telling you, you’re wrong. Teheran is still 2 quality. Braves don’t want Eaton though… We have Smith and Inciarte in CF. Braves get Adams and Engel, CHW get Viz and Teheran. Or through in Flowers as a backup and maybe go after Fulmer only. I still think they should trade Julio to PIT for Meadows….
Allard, Swanson, Albies, Newcombe, what Blair and Mallex don’t count because they are up already ?????? How bout the worst kept secrets in the world (Maitan) or the other International FA that are known to about to sign or the number 3 pick this year or probably the number 1 next year but more than likely no worse than a number 3. None of that counts right ?????
Only braves fans think that Teheran is a #2 calibur starter and that’s just because you’re all used to an abysmal team.
That’s simply not true… I’m sorry. Last night 7 and 2/3 of scoreless ball against PIT. Last 3 starts a sub 2.00 era. He is a #2 in most rotations, not all, but most.
Did he do great last year? No. But it wasn’t bad. And everyone forgets 2013 and 2014. One not-so-amazing season doesn’t prove he isn’t still great.
Also, not to be a d*** but, caliber not calibur.
Arrietta was a top 50 prospect in all of baseball. Stuff wise it was always there, the same can’t be said about the braves pitchers outside of allard. Lot of plus fastballs and nothing else.
Braves are in a pitcher friendly park. So just looking at non park reflected era is useless, and really omg one start against Pittsburgh is evidence of anything? Phillip humber at a perfect game. He is a 3 or 4 in solid rotations (playoff rotations). Mallex isn’t very good, only braves fans say this because he was the first prospect up. I said allard has a good ceiling but he is 3 yrs away so how are you going to say you can have an ace in him while he is in the minors.
Teheran was a top 5 at one time what are you talking about and at 25 yrs old all he had was 1 bad year. But he also had a very good year.
Very funny now I know not to take ppl on here to serious. Let me guess stuff wise Arrieta always had it because he throws hard but Folty doesn’t and he throws harder. Lol
This guys been trying to trade Teheran since the season started. If your a Brave fan and you think this guy is thst good and he’s young then why are you looking to trade him to the Yankees or Whire Sox for best prospects. He is a mid rotation arm and that’s what he is, keep him on Atlanta.
I never wanted to move him to the White Sox and s far as moving him to the Yankees it was always in a package of some sort to get Gary Sanchez. I would not want to move him for just anybody or take quantity over quality. I was talking about a top MLB ready catching prospect. And from everything I read on here it sounds like there is no way the Yankees make a deal involving Sanchez at all. So if they can’t get him than I want to keep him.
Arrieta’s stuff was always there tell that to the O’s and Scott Feldman
Man you are all about nonsense statistics. When did baseball become such a nerd sport. He is having a great year with what amounts to a AAA defense behind him. And to anybody who actually watches the games could tell you with Flowers and his pitch frame ability he is throwing a whole lot more strikes than when AJ is back there.
I think AJ is so bad he costs his pitchers strikes where Flowers is so good he turns borderline pitches into strikes. But you gotta watch the games to see this kinda stuff it’s not on some number crunching stat sheet.
Mallex is ok I can def see him being a CF on a playoff/WS team down the road. And who is saying Allard is going to be the ace. Braves are going to have back to back top 3 picks that is definitely ace finding spots. And we have money to take on an ace contract in a trade or sign one as a free agent.
Teheran was ranked when he threw 92-94 and topped out in the upper 90’s. He sits 89-91 now topping out at 93. Arrietta has always Sat 93-95 topping out at 97.
So what does all that mean to me number man and Glavine or Maddux never threw as hard as Arrieta either and both of them are in the HOF. Whatever Julo is doing is working just like whatever Arrieta did worked for him. Please stop Arrietta got traded for Scott Feldman SCOTT FELDMAN stop acting like he didn’t turn things around and maybe that’s what Julio has done only time will tell.
Maddux and Glavine also had one of the best pitching coaches basebalkl has ever seen in Mazzone. Not to mention both had plus secondary stuff. Maddux had an amazing slider and Glavine had a solid curve. Tehran has a mediocre change at best.
I was not comparing Teheran to Maddux or Glavine I was just giving examples of guys who didn’t throw crazy hard that went on to successful careers. And yes Mazzone was great but Maddux and Glavine woulda been Maddux and Glavine with or without him. Maddux won a Cy Young without him. All these clowns on here that are arm chair GMs lol funny guys real funny guys.
Teheran needs more movement on his pitches and more of a speed variance to be effective with a diminishing fastball velocity. Look at Rich Hill or Pomerantz. To be consistently effective he needs to hone his secondary offerings, get movement on his fastball, work on his mechanics so as not to tip his pitches, and keep his pitches down. Too tall of an order if you ask me. As a trading piece his value lies in what “could be” not what is. No one is giving up anything huge for him.
Almost all top Braves pitching prospects have at least 2 +pitches. Not really sure where you are getting your information. Also Teheran was a top 5 prospect so I’m not sure what point you are trying to make about Arrieta being top 50. The point I was trying to make was that he was never projected to be an ace, yet now he is.
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Front of the rotation starter for arrietta
m.mlb.com/news/article/107536762/when-they-were-pr… Teheran consistently throwing in the mid 90’s at the time, his average fastball is now 90.
Lol now that is funny.
just stop
funny
dumb. austin jackson and rollins are fine if they got a LHd stick at DH.
Tim Anderson will displace Rollins soon enough.
no. if anything he will displace rollins
Isn’t that what he said?
Who’s “he” that will displace Rollins if it isn’t Anderson as I stated?
No he won’t. He’ll be another failed product of their horrible farm system. That team has NO player development. Other than a pitcher or two they have not had any farm grown talent on the team. They were lucky to dump a bunch of can’t miss prospects on the A’s for Samarja.
Check it Anderson is heating up. He’s litteraly on fire right now in triple-A. He keeps this up till mid June and Rollins continues to stink up the joint Anderson will be up soon.
Yes, it is dumb to suggest that a team looking to compete should replace their cf, who currently sits at -0.3 fWAR and there short stop, who sits at 0.1.
How are they fine, they are both below average players that would make for better bench pieces.
They don’t have enough in their system to get Teheran by himself so forget about Vizcaino as well. Maybe a Markakis salary dump you would need to get pitching elsewhere. Unless you want Bud Norris or Jason Grilli.
Carson fulmer, Tyler danish, tim anderson, spencer adams, trey michalewski, jhoandro alfaro, Jordan guerrero. They have plenty to get it done. Teheran and vizcaino are basically worth 2 of those first 4 names and then the last 3.
Maybe Fulmer, Danish, and Guerrero for just Julio… Does CHW have a Sup. Pick?
Just checked and they do, through that in, and get Inciarte too.
Throw*
Rather KMS
Yeh, so what do the White Sox offer in trade or is this an immaculate reach!
Will throw in Aybar…..
They couldn’t pay someone to take Aybar…..
I know, was just being sarcastic.
They could Always call up the Braves and trade for Tehran and Vizciano. They might be likely to deal at this point with only 10 wins.
Who do they have to give up for Teheran?
I don’t think the white sox have the farm system to do business for Teheran. He’s going to cost a lot.
Also even though they only have 10 wins, I don’t see a team as bad as the Braves wanting to get any worse before the trade deadline, which would definitely happen if they traded those 2 seeing how Vizcaino is the best BP arm they have by a long shot and the other starting candidates to replace Teheran just aren’t quite ready yet. Not saying they won’t be traded, just I don’t see it happening this early.
I think you’re overrating Teheran a bit. Look at the xFIP, decreased velocity. He’s a 3rd, 4th starter on most teams. Plus he’s owed money (team friendly contract, but still). Sox have the pieces to get just him, but I’d rather they get a bat because that lineup is looking ultra thin. Still haven’t replaced LaRoche’s expected production.
Regardless of what fans think of Teheran, White Sox are looking for 4th or 5th, if that’s what they want to use him as, so be it. I think he could be a possible 3 at best. On Braves, he needs to be the 2. Unfortunately with our system, he is thrusted into the 1 with the Braves.
Lol what are you talking about? LaRoche’s expected production? They have a bunch of guys capable of hitting .200 with mediocre power numbers and no defensive value. Heck, Jerry freakin Sands is just as “good” as LaRoche production-wise.
I doubt they would trade a starting position player and a top prospect for that duo, because that’s where John C would start negotiations
As of this point in the season only the Braves really make sense as a trading partner. They have starters that are trade-able and a BP arm that is playing well but shouldn’t be overly expensive given his injury history and PED suspension.
Brood that last point is on the money. He hasn’t been as good as Giles or proven like giles, and has injuries and peds and most braves fans want a Giles haul that was thought of as an overpay to begin with. Kudos to you man you know your stuff.
I’m a Braves fan and have absolutely hated the way the team has operated at the top since about 2005. Too many win now deals and not enough stocking the pond.
With what you listed as possible trading pieces for the ChiSox they might be able to weasel Inciarte from the Braves right now too without overpaying,, especially with the injury and the poor play.
A whole lotta cash coming off the books let’s not forget as well. And you guys kill me not only do they have handshake agreements in place with how many international free agents that we know of ????? And we have the number 3 pick in the draft this year and probably the number 1 next year.
Also Teheran had s very good 4-5 starts to finish off last year and has been great to start off this season thus far. He is what 25 yrs old and just 2 yrs ago was a top prospect. Trading players is about supply and demand you can tell me all day about why Teheran isn’t worth anything but tell me somebody who is a candidate that can be traded that is better ?????
You can tell me that Markakis won’t bring in much more than salary relief and I will believe it. You have CarGo, Bruce and possibly Reddick all fitting the same LH OF bat. Only thing those guys are free agents after the season so the commitment is minimal. As far as Teheran his contract is actually an asset for an aquiring team and he is young enough with enough early success for a team to jump on him with the production he has laid out thus far this year. Please let me know a SP that could be moved that would be more valuable than Teheran is right now cause I am drawing a blank.
Would you rather have Cashner (injuries), Ross ( inconsistent as well), Sheilds (contract), maybe one of the Tampa SP if they were willing to move them I could see pulling a larger return. Other than that he has the biggest upside.
I personally don’t wanna see him moved I like him as a 2-3 in my team’s rotation. Unless we can pull 2 legit top prospects in positions that we need I say keep him.
All these guys knocking Teheran and praising the Cubs rebuild but their ace was a bum when they acquired him yet he was able to figure it out but Julio can’t ??? I just don’t understand the logic in these discussions. He is having a great year
I don’t think they want to trade Anderson he is their baby basically. But I feel they would trade anything else. Inciarte would be a great get, I think it would depend on how the braves view smith and if they just want to give him center.
julio will be just fine. 2.73 era and a 142 era isnt too shabby
Fip-96, xfip-110. He has been 4% better than average per top and 10% worse per xfip, but small sample e.r.a. yayyy
All that does for me is show me how stupid those stats are. Watch the games say what you want he is pitching like a very good 2 he has gone deep and kept the Braves in every ball game and has gotten better every start. Just 2 yrs ago every stat geek in the world was calling him the baby Pedro and now after 1 bad year at 25 he sucks but Arrieta is the next Roger Clemens but it took him how many years to figure it out ???? But of course he got it but Julio could never be able to. Pick up a baseball genius and throw it guys don’t ever harness their command until they learn how to take a little bit off and trade velocity for command. Most guys at 25 are just coming up but this is what Julio’s 4th season already. Most guys gotta figure it out in the minors he is doin it at the major league level. Talk to me at the end of the season
I pitched and played ss at the college level on a juco national championship team. I am however smart enough to identify there are stats readily available to help predict future performance. 90%of his success this year has been luck. He most likely finishes with an e.r.a in the mid 3’s. Which in his park is just over league average. Btw arrietta never have up velocity for command.
That international guy is leaning more towards other teams. You really don’t follow closely do you? The Braves had him if he’d have signed before the new period, they are screwed now on that front.
Cash coming off the books doesn’t matter this season the free agent class is weak. A lot of good available funds do when there’s no where to spend it. FYI: That’s how you end up overpaying for mediocrity and screw yourself.
Tehran is a young arm, yes. But he hasn’t shown enough recently for an acquiring team to be doing anything but betting on his potential at this point. That alone reduces his value.
You actually expect the Braves to draft intelligently? That rarely happens. Watch them take some over-hyped hometown kid again…. Ala Braxton Davidson.
As for your question a more valuable SP that could be moved is Sonny Gray. He may have struggled early but he has more recent success and a higher ceiling than Tehran.
Yeah ok here we go with the I played at this level tads yada yada I could care less. I scored 5 touchdowns in a game for Polk high too none of that means nothing to me. If you are so good at predicting performance and you have that background as a player than you should get into scouting. It’s not hard to get into and if you are oh so knowledgable you could move up the ranks pretty fast and maybe win executive of the year
No indication Gray will be moved but yes I would agree he could pull a higher return if Beane we to move him
And yes I do follow closely it must be you that don’t I wasn’t talkin bout the Cuban kid I was talking bout the Venezulen kid Maiten. He is the top international FA and he is all over Instagram with Braves gear on. Actually got a bunch of the top IFA supposedly signing.
I don’t even want the Vubsn kid he seems like a headache.
No cash coming off the books helps sign young guys to affordable extensions before they even hit arbitration something John Hart perfected 20 yrs ago and continued to do it even last year. I am never for signing any top FA they never work out unless it was Maddux in 92. Develop players sign them and foil in role players in FA.
They don’t have any young guys that they need to bargain down the cost of future contracts. All of the young guys not locked up aren’t worth guaranteed money at this point. Better to remain flexible and go through arbitration.
Maddux was already a 20 game winner and only 27 when the Braves signed him. Easy to know how good he was. The problem is the Braves have very little that is in the pipeline that will make an impact at the Major League level. They need to use trades and FA or they are going to stay bottom feeders;.
Man that was a lot to get through. I like most points. Steelerbrave, you cracked me up when you said “pick up a baseball.” Next guy says he played and you don’t want to hear it.
Not every prospect works out; Bethancourt, Ankiel (odd throw in), and others. Not every big time free agent works out: CC, Hamilton, and so on.
We can guess all we want or banter about how what each comment made is stupid. For Atlanta, drafts have yielded nice results on the past; Chipper, Glavine, and others. And even the homegrown has its merits; McCann and a few more.
Had it been the case lately, listed above? No. But changes in FO can fix that and progress could be made. Atlanta had I think 5 in the Top 100, which puts us up their in ranking, will they all work out, maybe not. But our history at SS is pretty decent: Simmons, Escobar, Furcal, no sense in thinking Albies and Swanson cannot be a great tandem.
Teheran is as good as the team that feels they could use him. Chicago staffs, no he is not 1, 2, or 3, but he could be a great 4th or 5th which is what teams need.
Just my 27 cents.
It’s not that I don’t want to hear it but we are all commenting in a forum you can say anything you want about what level you played at and there is no way to prove it. I reached my level as well but I am not going to throw it out there to make me look like an expert. The girst thing I learned when I got to college way back when in statistics class was that the better you are with numbers the easier it is to minipulate those numbers into your side of a discussion. I am not beat to argue about numbers. If you look hard enough you could find a stat that backs your argument.
Watch the games and watch the players and draw your conclusions on what you see not by the numbers you read.
FIRE WILLIAMS AND VENTURA NOW!!!
Yes, you can manipulate statistics using graphs and charts. Using the numbers themselves in Industry agreed presentation changes things. It puts all players on the same scale. Teheran has a FIP ERA of 3.73 this year. The defense has bailed him out a lot. That doesn’t even include the statistics adjusted for the stadium too which make Teheran look even worse. You can argue the presentation of stats all day or stats that don’t conform to standards, here you have no argument. You are running on feelings and opinions. It’s like Trump valuing how much he has (“It changes based on my mood”).
If torontos still struggling into July, they could pick 2 of Saunders, Bautista and encarnacion to fill in at rf and dh.
The Sox would have to include half their starters to get Joey Bats, Saunders, or Birdman.
Come on….stop dreaming.
Not even close. All 3 are free agents at year’s end. If the Blue Jays turn it around, then it doesn’t happen, but, if not, they could have any of them for a top 3 organizational prospect
Agreed. Detroit got Norris, Boyd plus one for Price, and moved Cespedes for Fulmer plus one. Less than half a season of a player, any player, who can not even be given a Q.O., is not going to be as expensive as the trading team would like.
with their bleak minor league system there’s no way the Blue Jays sell short on any of the pending free agents.
That’s the way it works pal.
It’s not selling short, they arent that valuable. EE hasn’t been good, bautista is having his worst year in 6 years. They are getting old.
Ok “pal”, no reason to get condescending. I’m not a White Sox fan, so you don’t have to worry about me “dreaming,” and I’m fully aware of how it works. If the Blue Jays aren’t making a playoff push, and they don’t want to “sell short” on Saunders, Bautista, or Encarnacion, then they end up with a few late first-round picks for them (I imagine they resign one and lose 2). Pretty sure they’d rather take their chances with a guy (or guys) who’s already playing professionally rather than a couple amateurs and some slot money
With big time Timmy Jim coming to the Halo’s, and if he looks impressive early, you could see CJ. Wilson being a candidate. Last year of a terrible contract that the Angels may eat more salary in order to gain a better prospect.
They won’t go Bautista he’ll cost to much as for encarnacion that’s a stronger possibility in my opinion
james shields is an upgrade in the rotation over latos and gonzo/5th spot. you dont put shields in BP
Inter wrong to see a GM stating this early they are open and willing. May pay off for Sox, if nothing else might kickstart the trade season.
Interesting*
If you plan on competing why not improve your roster for as long as you can. More gms should be aggressive early.
Tough balance. Your premise makes sense, but when is the right time to determine if you can contend? I’m not sure teams like the Yankees, Astros, Blue Jays, Diamondbacks, etc. are ready to sell quite yet- makes it tough to buy early
There are several obvious sellers early in the year. The brewers, braves, reds should all be ready to sell immediately.
Problem is, how much is each commodity worth. Braun, great bat, big contract. Teheran, Freeman, and Markakis, Coppy will ask a ton. Reds, not 100% familiar, but Big contracts left to drop.
Yes, but if they wait, there will be more buyers later. If the Phillies are in the hunt at the all star break, their front Office may start looking seriously, and they would have more to offer than Hahn. No benefit for a team to sell early, unless it’s a contract dump. I am sure Hahn could fill his lefty bat need with Ryan Howard without having to wait.
I agree with what you are saying by waiting for market to develop. Guess just depends on what Hahn is willing to trade to get ahead of the hunt.
SD Padres trade P James Shields for P Carson Fulmer, good trade for both teams
That is not even close to good for both teams.
no. not at that salary
get outta here cmon man
Just makes the a sucker for a trade steal by those teams that have pieces they wish to move.
Curious move on the part of the Sox. But then again, they gave a contract to a player allowing him to have his son as the 25th man on the roster.
The Yankees should be willing to deal either Chapman or Miller, if the return is sufficient. It’s an old team, needing youth and athleticism, there’s a weak free agent market coming up, and longer-term assets are really needed. Realistically, the team has no chance of competing for a championship this year–the talent is no longer there. They should take advantage of their financial resources, do transactions, and start the rebuilding process.
The New York market will never allow the Yankees to throw in the towel. They gotta be able to sell those seats at absurd prices and they would never be able to justify the cost of the seat by announcing they were throwing in the towel.
It’s crazy too because they could get so much for Tex, Beltran, McCann, Gardner, Miller or Chapman and have in house replacements on the cusp of being ready.
Maybe not. They watched the Red Sox tank, when it made sense for them to do so, and I don’t think the fanbase enjoys watching the team they have now.
there’s got to be talent to be had and there is none in Atlanta.
Funny, no talent?
First and foremost, there has to be some return for the Yankees and from what I see there is none. There is no rebuilding with rejects and has been’s and never was guys.
If your’re thinking of the Julio kid…..think again…this is the AL East and his ERA will go up at least a run with the big dogs.
When you say things like this Julio kid it makes it hard to take what you say serious. At least act like you seen the guy pitch before.
Oh and you’re a Yankee’s expert?
And talking about serious, stop with the ridiculous trade talk you spurt!
Nah not a Yankee expert but I live in the NY area and that’s all the sports radio around here talks about and the name of the site is mlbtraderumors and I didn’t know bringing up trade sceneries for discussion is so rediculous gotta love the Internet gangster tough guys
Funny thing, all the idiotic arguing over Teheran being a 2, 4, or 5 starter. The write up says the Sox are looking for a back end starter. Yes, Coppy will ask for more than Teheran is worth, pretty sure that is how trade talks start.
Trades depend on needs. Sox need a reliable starter: Teheran – 200 innings eater with a sub 3.50 ERA. Young, controllable and relatively cheap. Braves need a C prospect (Alfaro) and maybe an OF (Adolfo).
His e.r.a won’t be sub 3.50 in the a.l. but I think high 3’s low 4’s is possible, he mainly gives you innings. He’s in a pitchers park in the n.l. the jump to a.l is roughly .3 runs, he is also moving to a hitters park so his unsustainable homer rate will jump.
Still with your estimation, that .3 jump still puts his current ERA best of that rotation.
Huh? What rotation are you talking about? Did the Sox all of a sudden lose Chris Sale and Jose Quintana? Both of their ERA’s are almost half of Teheran’s…
IF the Sox traded for Teheran, I’d assume they’d slide him into the 3 spot in between Q and Rodon (and that has more to do with splitting up the 3 lefties than Rodon’s struggles).
Priggs89, my bad was mixing up Sox with another rotation (Yanks) I looked at in the previous statement. My overall point is trading for Teheran gives the Sox what they are looking for a 4/5 starter.
The sox can have shields cashner and villanueva for essentially nobody. Take shields contract and call it a day.
Those are more realistic options except I don’t see them taking on Sheilds contract.
Wait a week until LIncecum’s arm falls off, and then try to get Hector Santiago back. He’d be a great addition to the back of the rotation.
im sure all the people who say the sox dont have the farm to get a deal are the same people that said we didnt have the farm to get frazier.
What does it matter if Teheran is a 2,3, or 4? He’s pitching like a 3 right now. And he’d be the #4 for the CHW. If you want to compete for a title. You better have a dang good 3 and 4 starter
Agreed.
Hey when’s talk Steve
Hey Jerry, get some balls and fire Williams and Ventura. Then clean house on your player development because you haven’t produced a non pitcher starter in years. Your attendance is dropping and will continue to drop when the sox fall out of 1st. Might as well dump your marketing director because he obviously sucks also.
The questions are:
Do the White Sox have the assets to pull off any significant trades?
Would the front office be willing to deal any of their top prospects from among the top three of Carson Fulmer, Tim Anderson and Spencer Adams?
Would Jerry Reinsdorf approve any substantial increase to the payroll to accommodate the contract of a Carlos Gonzales or Ryan Braun?
I believe the answer would be yes to the last two questions but a big maybe to the first.
those 3 would get a deal done – but do they want to move them
Those 3 prospects basically equal the Cole hamels package.
I would love to see them acquire Jay Bruce, not sure if they have enough to give
He would be probably one of the better options with stats and contract mixed that could be available.
I’m going to do my once every two months comment and apologies if someone else already mentioned these names, but good lord, it would be such a windfall for the White Sox if they could get a package of Brett Gardner, Nathan Evoaldi and Andrew Miller. Those three players would undoubtedly lift the team to seriously make it the team to beat in the AL. Those three players, for all their traits, would be absolutely perfect matches in more way than one for the Sox. Dollar for dollar, I don’t think they could find more perfect matches. Now, that said, there is no need for the Yanks to do that deal. It would require most likely, the Sox #1 and #2, prospect and maybe something like #8 or #9 on top of that. Here is the problem though. I am one of those who doesn’t like the “trade for prospects narrative” since almost all prospects these days seem to flame out or go through serious growing pains. So for the Yankees, what do they get? Maybe a couple blue chip prospects and how does that really help them. They have their own blue chip prospects and frankly, the Yankees are looking somewhat competitive again. It’s one of those weird deals that won’t happen, but you have to admit, there probably isn’t a better arrangement of players out there for the Sox than those three. We’ll see….
But a seemingly equal trade that you have proposed. Hal has generally said he wants to go cheaper, granted Gradner and Miller are not their highest paid, but both effective, even given Gardner’s early struggles. From most Yankee fans I have talked to, at least you know what you get in Gardner.
I’m not necessarily advocating the Yankees trade those players, In most respects, they are irreplaceable at this moment. With the pitiful free agent pitching class this coming off season and if Eovaldi continues his assent, his value is very high. Same for Gardner as you said. You put him on any team in baseball and it’s instantly better and not for the reason of a Trout or Harper and mashing the ball, just an overall perfect game. Did anyone see that play at home yesterday to the tie the game. That’s freaking baseball man and why Yankee fans love love love Gardner. And Miller speaks for himself. I was more so insinuating that for the Sox, if they could get all three, they would be well advised literally speaking, mortgaging the future. I revise my proposal as well. #1, #2 and #8 or #9 is actually far too light. Don’t know what, but the cost would be high.
Well not the package you requested is “too light.” Gardner will also cost $11M a year average over the life of his contract for a .260 15 HR 60 RBI guy that averages about 145 games a year. Everyone knocks Markakis (granted his D is not Gardner), but still a lot of money for no plus defense or offense. But yea, great baseball mind. You surely know what you get with Gardner. Miller is seriously worth every penny in my mind. But overall Sox would be adding $21M to this year’s payroll, $29M next, and $31 for 2018.
Interesting to see what they do.
Duda out 4-6 for Mets, injuries are starting to occur all over.
Sorry, my point was NYY is saving a ton and probably would not require the huge return over what you proposed.
Gardner has a 117 wRC+, offers plus baserunning, above average corner d and can play center if needed. So he is better in every facet of the game and offers more versatility, see the difference?
Theo can you out that in dumber translation for me, I don’t think I understood it as well with my small IQ?
living in the NY area I catch a bunch of Yankee games. Not enough to draw my own conclusion but also living here and hearing sports radio most ppl say Gardner is not a very good base runner and is actually a very bad base stealer so I am interested in how you say he is a very good base runner ???? Not an attack just a question cause I hear this from guys that watch him play in and out on a nightly basis.
He’s a career 81% base stealers, that’s better than billy Hamilton. Most likely just radio callers are dumb. The%, the metrics, and his actual speed speak for themselves.
Ellsbury, Pineda, and Chapman for Fulmer, Adams, Peter, and Davidson. Money would have to be exchanged obviously.
Jonathan Lucroy and Ryan Braun from the Brewers might be a better return combo for the White Sox. They could use another decent starting pitcher but those two bats in their lineup might make the back end of their current rotation passable.
Gordon go the D.L. May bring the Royals out to make a move. I could see them interested in Markakis. Won’t expect much in return other than salary relief.
May be willing to give up a top prospect for Inciarte though if the Braves would be willing to move him.
Jay Bruce!!
Throw in Cozart, and you’ve got yourself a deal.