The Mariners didn’t make a trade on Monday in the hours leading up to the non-waiver deadline, but GM Jerry Dipoto doesn’t expect that to preclude them from further tweaking the roster, as Bob Dutton of the Tacoma News Tribune writes. “We’re going to have something on the market in August,” Dipoto tells Dutton. “I guarantee there will be more activity throughout the league, and we’ll probably be at the center of that.”
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That the Mariners didn’t make a trade wasn’t for a lack of effort, per Dipoto, who says that the Mariners had a lot of different discussions taking place, some of which “got very deep into the deal-making phase and just didn’t come to pass.” While Dipoto doesn’t address any specifics, one of those near-swaps was likely for Reds shortstop Zack Cozart. It was widely reported on Monday (first by Dutton himself) that the two sides were closing in on a trade that would send Cozart from Cincinnati to Seattle, but the deal never came to fruition.
Dutton now sheds some light on the talks, reporting that the two sides believed they had a basic two-for-two framework that would’ve sent Cozart and a minor leaguer to Seattle in exchange for minor league lefty Luiz Gohara and a second prospect. However, the Reds ultimately had to spend a great deal of time on Monday restructuring their trade of Jay Bruce to the Mets due to medical concerns surrounding some of the minor leaguers they were set to acquire. As such, Dutton writes that the Reds effectively “ran out of time” to assess all of the medical information on the players they would be receiving from the Mariners in exchange for Cozart. Gohara rated as the Mariners’ No. 5 prospect at MLB.com, whose scouting report notes that he’s had a breakout campaign after dropping 30 pounds in the offseason. Gohara has a 1.94 ERA and a 63-to-14 K/BB ratio in 51 minor league innings (nine starts).
Dutton adds that he spoke to some Mariners officials who didn’t rule out the possibility of revisiting talks for Cozart, though Cozart would have to pass through the entire National League and through nearly half of the American League to get to the Mariners on the waiver wire, which seems unlikely. Talks, of course, could resume in the offseason if Cozart remains in Cincinnati. It’s worth noting that Reds president of baseball operations Walt Jocketty told the Cincinnati Enquirer’s C. Trent Rosecrans yesterday that Cozart is not someone he’s actively looking to move, though he’s a free agent following the 2017 season, so it makes sense for the rebuilding Reds to be highly open to the concept so long as they receive quality talent in return.
In the days leading up to the deadline, the Mariners served as a reminder that the “buyer” and “seller” classifications are often too black-and-white, and teams will often operate in a gray areas somewhere between. Seattle shed some veterans that have disappointed this season — Joaquin Benoit and Wade Miley — but acquired MLB-ready assets in exchange. Benoit was swapped out for another change of scenery candidate, Drew Storen, while left-hander Ariel Miranda came over from the Orioles in the Miley swap and has already pitched in the big leagues this year himself. The Mariners did trade a long-term, controllable asset in moving Mike Montgomery to the Cubs, but Dipoto received a more or less MLB-ready first baseman in exchange by picking up blocked prospect Dan Vogelbach, creating the possibility for near-term gains. And, talks for Cozart further indicated that the Mariners don’t seem content to punt on the 2016 season.
Looking around the roster to identify potential August trade candidates, then, Adam Lind stands out as a logical option. Acquired from the Brewers this offseason to platoon at first base, Lind has struggled to a .226/.261/.434 line through 280 plate appearances. The emergence of Dae-ho Lee and the presence of the left-handed-hitting Vogelbach in Triple-A Tacoma could make Lind, a free agent at season’s end, expendable for the Mariners, and there were indeed rumors of his availability leading up to the non-waiver deadline. Veteran outfielder Nori Aoki has also underwhelmed in his first season with the Mariners, though he’s performed considerably better in a small sample upon his return from an option to Tacoma.
As for possible external acquisitions for Seattle, the Mariners were linked to names like Cozart, Jay Bruce and Joe Smith in the days leading up to the deadline. Given Steve Cishek’s recent struggles and the reported interest in Smith, adding another bullpen arm seems like a possibility, and their talks for Cozart could signal a desire to add another up-the-middle type of infielder. And, given Seattle’s current ranking, they’ll likely have a good shot at claiming any short-term assets that are placed on trade waivers by American League clubs. Seattle is currently five games back of the second Wild Card spot, and the two of the teams closest behind them — the Yankees and White Sox — acted largely as sellers, while the Royals (who have the same record as the ChiSox) stood pat as opposed to making any pre-deadline additions. That means that (for now) the Mariners have priority over virtually every team that considers itself a legitimate Wild Card contender.
Could we see Arod return to the Mariners to finish his career and play with Cano ?
Where exactly would he play?
No. In fact, once the Yankees dfa Arod I doubt he plays for another team.
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If the Yankees do put A-Rod on the waiver wire; then whomever claims him would be receiving a player only because it is a “salary dump” type situation.
I do not think the Mariners would do such a thing.
That would be non-revocable waivers, where the claiming team could be given the player picked up on the waiver for a salary dump.
Which is what this scenario would be, basically. The Yankees will place A-Rod on waivers and any team dumb enough to claim him will be stuck with the salary (assuming a trade can not be reached, which is unlikely because a team probably isn’t going to give up anything in addition to taking on A-Rod’s contract). The Mariners goofed whichever August that was where Figgins was claimed and the Mariners pulled him back when a trade could not be reached, rather than just giving Figgins up for nothing which would have been better.
If no team claims A-Rod, which is like 99.9999% certain, then the Yankees are free to trade him to any other team.
That scenario can also happen with revocable waivers. Meaning if a team claims a player the original team can choose simply give the player to the claiming team.
Are you kidding? Arod is despised in Seattle and what purpose would that serve anyway? There isn’t even a place for him to play with Seager at 3B and Cruz at DH.
That’s a shame he’s the best player they ever had
Do you know anything about the Mariners
That would be Ken Griffey Jr. Then Randy, then Edgar, the King, Ichiro…………….Jen The Bat girl, then maybe A-rod.
Does the name Ken Griffey Jr ring a bell?
NO! I don’t see a scenario that M’s would desire his contract/roster inflexibility/baggage/lack of productivity. The guy is a cheating POS. It would not be a popular move with local fan base.
And yet you guys are okay with Nelson Cruz?
He produces, so fans let morality slide.
To be fair, the main reason most Mariners fans despise A-Rod has nothing to do with roids. Nelson Cruz never left the team for more money elsewhere or anything like that. In fact, during his time with the team I don’t recall every hearing anything negative about him in the clubhouse (ie, no baggage). He seems to be a model teammate and seemingly is a decent guy. And there is definitely no lack of production with Cruz. Your reasoning is a little bit more than flawed in regards to Cruz/A-Rod. It’s a lazy comparison, Cruz and A-Rod did roids, so you must hate/love both, when the main reason for Mariners fans hate for A-Rod has nothing to do with steroids.
(Disclaimer: Mariner fan here that likes A-Rod)
Nelson Cruz is not nationally hated by everyone outside of New York.
Arod did not do roids supposedly in Seattle he started then after he left because he felt he had to live up to the big contract he signed. The reason he is hated in Seattle is he signed a contract and left for more money which was no big deal but said it was not about the money it was about winning. Texas sucked at that time and Seattle went on to win 116 games right after he left. So leaving for more money is fine but don’t treat us like fools and say it is about winning.
I was referring to the “cheating POS” from the OP, nothing else.
No desire for Seattle fan base or management to come back here.
Pineda, Eovaldi and Gardner are the three names out of many teams that are going to be be appealing and most likely, claimed by someone. Little downside in doing so as the Yanks are not just going to let them go for nothing (maybe Gardner since they are backed up with huge OF reserves). Despite Eovaldi’s struggles in June, I expect him to be a desirable target.
Nobody will claim Rodriguez he will have to be cut then signed for the min. Nobody well be dumb enough to take on that salary the Yankees are stuck with it. I would like to see Pineda chime back to Seattle i thought it was dumb to trade him unless they knew about his injury problem then it was shady. If so another reason to be glad to see Z gone. It is not cool to trade injured players even if it is to the Yankees. Maybe to Baltimore until they make it up to us for the Bedard trade they still owe us a little for that. Not sure if they spiked Bevells drink or the more believable he was just that dumb.
Don’t be surprised to see a lot of high salary players pass through waivers, so they could be traded to anyone. Like Jacoby with NYY. Votto, Braun, etc, etc.
Rodriguez back at SS would be fun to watch!!
It’d be fun to watch his fielding percentage take a plunge
Maybe even more fun to show off that rickety “stretch” that Rodriguez showcased at 1B the two games the Yankees risked playing him there last season.
Giving up Gohara for Cozart would have been a stupid move. If Dipito is going to pull these kind of moves were going to be invthe same position we have been with Bevell and Z. Giving up prospects for a year or two player. Gohara has long term value Cozart doesn’t. The team is better with Marte and Gohara on the team than Cozart. I know he is a prospect and I know if you could do better BS. But come on it doesn’t take a genius to figure it out. We aren’t winning the WS this year. So no reason to try and do it. Get rid of Lind Aoki Smith anyone that is not in the long-term plans and get some players that might go from David Arias to David Ortiz. Try and finish the 5 year rebuild started 7 years ago.
We can’t guarantee a WS win, so why bother trying? It’s fans like you that I absolutely can’t stand. Yes the ultimate goal for everyone in MLB should be to win the WS, but it is not, nor should it be, the ONLY goal. There are many varying degrees of a successful season. Only 1 team will win the World Series, but that doesn’t make the other 29 teams failures. Only one kid in a class is going to get the highest score on a test, the rest of the class is not automatically given F’s because they weren’t the best. For fans of a team like the Mariners that hasn’t finished within 10 games of the division lead since 2007, I would think that could be considered a successful season.
I know I will be thrilled if the Rockies just finish above .500 this year. The playoffs would be great, but the season is not necessarily a failure if that doesn’t happen either.
Broader picture, Ray Ray. Some fans don’t want to trade off future value just for a. 500 finish this year. It makes zero sense to put yourself in a position of constant mediocrity, just to finish a few less games behind after 162.
You can’t stand me that is fine I am realistic this team has holes. I have been a loyal fan since the day they announced we would have a team. I even went to Pilot games so I have been around the block. Our pitching has been getting better but battling injuries all year. Same at SS and at 1st we have Lee and Lind is awful. The OF is not good and the pen has a closer that was in AA a couple months ago. Like the other guy said we are not deep enough to beat Texas this year could that change next year? Yes it could. You know one of the reasons is Gohara could make the team out of ST Paxton and Walker could be healthy Felix could be healthy. DJ could get a Sept call up or Vogelbach and show they belong O’Neill might show he belongs too. We could sign a couple FA who knows. There are just too many holes to fill and not enough Aug signings to fill them.
I entered this season not thinking the team would be very good but some of the guys like Martin have played better then expected. Cano is back to what we signed Cruz is doing better than I ever thought he would Seager started slow but is coming on there is a lot of good but it doesn’t make up for the bad. Being realistic doesn’t make one a bad fan. It just means I can see the big picture and giving away a player that can contribute long-term for one that can contribute short term is not worth it. What good did trading Adam Jones Tillman George Sherill and others for Bedard do for us? We gave up 3 guys who went to the AS game at least once and 2 that are still stars for a guy who was always hurt. Our team would have been better long term keeping then but Bevell was trying to keep his job so he made a big move that back fired. Just like Z trading away Doug Fister and getting back a reliever and not much else. So IMHO giving up Gohara would hurt the team long term and is not worth the short term advantage we would get. If SS was the only hole and he made the team a contender then I would be all for it but it is not even out biggest hole and he doesn’t so it doesn’t make sense to give away one of our best pitching prospects to patch a tiny leak in the front of the boat when the back half has a huge hole in it.
I’ve found that I agree with you on everything Mariners and your right again. Why trade away the farm that we are trying to rebuild, and also a around .500 season is what the front office expected this season and is what they are getting. And I’m tired of everyone ripping Marte, before his wrist injury he was doing a lot better than his stats currently show, and I you cant only judge Marte just by the stats, you have to watch his play. So I just hope Dipoto doesn’t get desperate and trade away the future for a shortstop that we don’t need.
I appreciate your comments, but please get the names right. It was Bavasi. I keep thinking you’re mixing the Seahawks and Mariners rosters together.
Bevell? I assume you mean Bill Bavasi.
Should’ve sold the team while we could. Not a World Series team. Even if we do grab a wild card spot there’s no way we could beat the Rangers in the playoffs
It’s a fairly well known fact that winning a short 7 game series in baseball says more about luck than it does about skill.
NES did sell a majority of the team to the minority owners they kept 10% of the team. NES will not have any input in the way the team is run now. It will be nice to see the team run as a BB team instead of as a for profit business. Afraid to take a risk and too worried about the profit margin than wins our losses.
I think he meant selling players off.
Padres could send Alexi Ramirez over for…….well…….for anything the’ll give them.
At least he’s a Vet who still plays passable defense for a pennant run.
Jerry should try and pry more angels front office people away.