8:41am: If completed, the trade will be Soler for Davis straight up, tweets Rosenthal.
DEC. 7, 12:58am: The teams are reviewing physicals and an official announcement could come in the morning, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets.
DEC. 6, 9:32pm: The Cubs are close to acquiring Davis from the Royals for Soler, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal tweets. The deal is not expected to be done tonight, however, Passan tweets. Soler is still just 24 and retains tremendous power potential, although he has struggled to harness that potential at the big-league level and isn’t likely to get much playing time on a Cubs team loaded with outfielders. Soler hit .238/.333/.436 with 12 home runs in 264 plate appearances with the Cubs last season. Both Baseball America and MLB.com rated him among the top 50 prospects in the game prior to the 2013, 2014 and 2015 seasons.
8:07pm:Â The source of the snag is that the Nationals have made a late bid to acquire Davis, ESPN’s Jayson Stark writes.
7:44pm:Â There could be a “snag,” and the deal is not a sure thing, Passan tweets.
7:20pm:Â The Cubs are close to a trade that would land Royals closer Wade Davis, Yahoo! Sports’ Jeff Passan tweets. Passan wrote earlier today that the Royals might soon deal Davis.
Davis, like several other key Royals, is set to become a free agent at the end of the season, and it appears the Royals are getting a jump on potentially big changes to their team by swinging a deal now. They reportedly like Cubs outfielder Jorge Soler, although it’s not clear that he’s involved in a deal at this time. Kelvin Herrera seems likely to take over Royals closing duties next season.
The Cubs, who are losing Aroldis Chapman to free agency, have had interest in top relievers throughout the offseason, and have already been specifically linked to Davis. Davis offers a potentially lower-cost and short-term alternative to big-name free agents to Chapman and Kenley Jansen, while still being plenty dominant himself — he’s had three straight terrific seasons in Kansas City, including a 1.87 ERA, 9.8 K/9 and 3.3 BB/9 in 43 1/3 innings last season.
CARDINALS DO SOMETHING NOW.
No Cardinals don’t:-). It will be exciting as years go on. Fun rivalry and both teams are good now
The Cardinals are straight up ASS! They’re no competition!
says the cub fan who just showed up in 2015
Check the teams record the past ten years and come back here and tell me who is the competition son
Competition next year and years beyond has nothing to do with the teams records for the past 10 years son
In 2016 the head to head record for the Cards and Cubs waa 10 -9 Cubs
Your glorious Cubs only one one more game against us .explain how that is ass
I think there’s great rivalry.
However, the Cubs did finish nearly 20 games ahead of you and won the World Series, while the Cards missed the playoffs. So I’m not sure a head-to-head record is that relevant in terms of judging competition in a larger sample size.
19 game sample size? AWESOME!!!!!
Cards have been class of division and NL for a long time. Their current product is not competitive with the current Cubs. Deep down you know it. Nice head-to-head, but that includes 3 wins during the Cubs’ horrible streak when Fowler was hurt.
And Fowler is gone so that horrible streak is what your getting permanently.
Cards always have been and always will be competitive. Anyone that think otherwise hasn’t been paying attention the last half century. Wait until the bandwagon comes to a complete stop before attempting to disembark. The last thing the Ricketts family needs is a lawsuit.
Says the Cardinal’s fan who lives in his parent’s basement.
They also won a few more games in October. Didn’t see the Cardinals this year, and probably not next. You can keep your participation sticker.
Yes, this is what a bad Cardinals team looks like. That says more good about the organization than anything.
Class of the division, stealing scouting reports/hacking into other teams scouting notes and databases. Really classy!
yep! and I wonder if cardinal nation thinks that if Mozeliak could have wrestled Andrew Miller last season at the trade deadline, would they have made the playoffs? MO must GO!
Agreed! And this is a good trade for both sides, addresses both teams’ needs. I’m glad they are not overpaying for an elite closer.
damn it yes
2016 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs!!!! You heard it here first….THEY WILL 3-PEAT!
Doubt it
With Davis being H.Rondon setup man with Strope— he it goes they trade Soler,Trade Piece Johnson
Doubt if they even make the playoffs. Losing there catalyst lead off guy and there rental closer and no way Lester Lackey and Hendricks all pitch as well if not injured next year. No the future looks pretty bleak for the cubbies.
^^this guy lol
Lackey I would agree with you on. Lester is consistent and Hendricks, whom I believe is the Cubs’ best pitcher, might even get better.
Never talk baseball again…
Hendricks best pitcher??? on the cubs??? do you even watch the actual games?? have you ever picked up an actual baseball??? The stars aligned perfectly for Hendricks in 2016, there was alot of luck on his side. The guy will not replicate the year he just had. And best pitcher honors probably goes to either Arrieta or Lester, they have the hardware to prove it too (Cy Youngs in case you don’t know what that is either).
A Cards fan whistling past the graveyard.
I’m sure Vegas will “hold” your money for the next couple of seasons and take that action. C’mon if you’re that certain…..
I don’t think most of the people here are old enough to make bets in Vegas
Make a panic move? That never works
Why is this a panic move?
Im referring to the fact that Ryan said the Cardinals should do something now cuz the Cubs are gonna get Davis. And because of that acquisition, they should make a panic move, which Im saying never works
Agree, and I can’t see the Cardinals doing that.
Aloha Cardfan2011, I agree wholeheartedly. And I love the competition between the Cubs and Cardinals. As a youngster of course you want “your” time to “beat” the other team but as I got older/more mature I said to myself, I want this to be the best division in baseball! I think the Cardinals did great getting Cecil! I actually wish the Cubs would consider trading Baez & Soler to the Indians for Carrasco/Miller or Odorizzi or Archer and Colome. It would probably take more but the Cubs would have some controllable arms for a while and the other team benefits as well, with the upside potential being that hopefully with regular at-bats Soler could really grow as a contact-power hitter. Will be interesting to see who your Cardinals pickup for the outfield, watch it be Fowler! Take care now. Mahalo!
Hello! Yes, congrats to your Cubs in 2016! Very solid team overall, and with this Davis move, your team will be that much better than it already is currently. Mr. Epstein did a phenomenal job of building a team that can compete now and in the future. Much respect for your team, and you take care yourself! 🙂
Aloha cardfan2011- same to you! long story short, I have been in baseball through college, many of my friends were blessed to go into the “show,” a family member of mine was a collegiate coach and friend of Wong’s dad. I really hope Kolten can turn it around and make better contact this upcoming year. The Cardinals are not far off from a great team. Take care now. Mahalo!
Don’t stress. Long offseason and still a lot of talent out there for the Cardinals to look into. Never loved the Davis fit for STL anyway.
We won’t do crap
Cards always seem to just miss out it gets old the cards should have gotten Davis and Cain Mo a day late AGAIN
Why so everyone can complain next year when they leave as free agents?
Exactly.
These weren’t needs and both leave in a year.
Never panic, Moz is great at being patient
Matt Cain ? You can have him.
Lorenzo Cain….not the scrub Matt Cain of the Giants….
fowler!
To be honest I’m not a huge fan of Fowler. I love what he brings to the clubhouse and with athleticism, but he just had a career season in nearly every category at the age of 31. I feel like any team that signs him to a long term deal will be feeling the pain by the end of year 2.
Fowler has put up fairly consistent numbers throughout his career. I think a team will be happy enough with his performance if they can get him on a 4 year deal.
I’d rather sign Desmond then Fowler. Little more athletic, but it is a bigger risk.
Hahahah
I think the Nationals should be more concerned about this than the Cardinals. Another potential closer is slipping from their grip.
I always figured the Cubs were going to get Davis not the Cardinals.
The Cardinals are now minor leagues compared to the Cubs conglomerate. They aren’t even an afterthought. As long as Theo and Co. are in Chicago, they own that division. The other teams might as well just sit out the next decade, or so. Amazing how things can change so quickly.
Seriously? I hope you’re being sarcastic. The beauty of baseball is its unpredictability. The Cubs have one 1 (one!). They must win a couple more to be known as a “conglomerate”. The Chicago Bears were the best team that only won one championship. Should’ve won 2 or 3 but didn’t. It happens. The Cards will be just fine.
It’s also going to be interesting to see how they handle the core. Rizzo, Bryant, Baez, Russell, Schwarber will all hit free agency in 2022.
Great position to be in for the next 5 years–loads of young cheap talent–but that offseason may be expensive for the Cubs.
Mozeliak’s big move will be to pick up an aging over-the-hill player on a one-year incentive laden contract, and then go to spring training thinking they will be able to contend with the Cubs in the central, or the Nationals in the NL playoffs. MO must go! He needs to go get McCutchen! NOballs Mo aint got it in him!
Wow
Damn.
Damn!
Yes I like it as long as we don’t lose another major prospect we definitely need to keep Eloy Jimenez
Hoping the trade is centered around Soler
Soler is not good enough to have a trade centered around him for the likes of a Wade Davis. This trade is going to hurt the Cubs.
No it’s not. Geez….
Yea, ‘doesn’t even get the conversation started’ similar to ‘the white Sox won’t trade sale for moncada, they don’t want prospects and won’t settle for anything less than Betts or bogaerts’
Yeah I disagree. Soler gets it done, or with a throw in piece. Davis a free agent at the end of the year. I don’t understand why the Cubs would even do that. How many young players are they going to give up for one year of a closer each year. What are they going to do for a closer next year?? Eventually they have to spend World Series revenue and sign one. How many good one players to you give up before you do??? They can’t be giving up much
Just because they have ‘World Series Money’ does not mean that they have to spend it this year. With Otani likely being posted next year and the free agent class the year after, there’s great reason to pool a little cash.
Just because the White Sox were stupid, doesn’t mean the Royals will be as well. And, of course, the Sox want prospects–why wouldn’t they? It’s not like they’re going to be competing anytime soon. It wouldn’t make sense to move Sale for MLB players.
How would Soler get it done? What’s so special about him? What has he done so far? At least Davis has a full year to offer. Yanks got how much for a half a year of Chapman? Davis is easily one of the best relievers in the league. He’s not going to be cheap in a trade.
Word is the deal is indeed centered around Soler. He hasn’t shown much, he’s basically a prospect in some ways, with a large amount of talent, like many prospects. I doubt there’s anything else of significance in the deal for KC. Chapman was the only dominant closer on the market at the time, that’s not true now. And the Cubs have plenty of money, even for Davis and Otani, and other major pickups. Am I saying money is no object? No. Am I saying that the Cubs are not even close to having to make choices like Davis or Otani? Yes. Absolutely. I think if you’re a KC fan your going to be disappointed. The Cubs wouldn’t be involved here is the price wasn’t in the neighborhood of Soler and a throw-in or two, because they’d just sign Chapman or Jansen and not give up talent if that were the case, because Chapman-type $$ is really not a major object for this club at this point.
You must feel awfully silly now.
Unless MLB won’t create a Otani-style exemption.
Otani will be subject to the new int’l spending cap….though I agree about the ’18 FA class.
About that…..
Not sure what your argument is. He’s not good enough straight up for Davis, but trading him will hurt the Cubs?
Would have to be a top prospect or several that are in the top 20 I would think.
Hope the royals get something good in return. At least two top prospects.
That’s excessive. I could see Soler and a top 20. I like Davis a lot but he’s old.and probably not worth 2 top 20s.
It’s being reported Davis and prospect for Soler. Have any of you watched him play. If healthy he is a five tool player.
Except for the fact that he isn’t fast and is bad in the outfield, sure…
You obviously haven’t watched him play
That’s funny. I was thinking the same thing about you…
Shane T Obviously you haven’t seen Soler play. He has a cannon for an arm but he is not a good defensive outfielder. He is particularly fast. He does however have massive raw power and a good plate approach. He needs to stay healthy to get consistent ABs and playing in a warm climate will help him. He is built like a linebacker and has had hamstring issues. LOTS of potential and controlled for a few more years.
I’ll guess Soler, Cease and LaStella is the return
That can’t be it. Not close to enough.
I think you’re going to be a bit disappointed. He has one year left coming off a down year.
Cease is a top prospect, and Soler still has some nice value
He has 1 year left; Chapman had half a year left. Down year? That’s a hell of a down year, you have to admit. Also, it was almost impossible to repeat 2015.
Cease, a top prospect? In Chicago’s now-lacking system, yes. In all of baseball? Nah. Soler does have some value. Personally, I don’t think it’s all that high.
We’ll see what shakes. If I’m Moore, I don’t move him unless I get a big package.
Moore is cutting payroll and doesn’t really have a better choice. I also think that Cease in the package isn’t going to happen, KC won’t even get that. Cease is a pretty solid prospect in his own right. But I don’t think there’s much there besides Soler, maybe Christian Villaneuva or Jeimer Candalario
Solers value has never been lower. Davis should return far more than the bust soler has been thus far.
Villanueva was non-tendered if I recall correctly.
Whether he should or not, I don’t think he will. Otherwise the Cubs wouldn’t be in the conversation. And Soler does have a ton of offensive talent, he hasn’t had a chance to play everyday yet, and you’re right, he hadn’t shown much yet.
You are correct, I though he had been DFA’d
It looks like Davis for Soler, new report out
I think that is well more than enough for a closer what will likely top out around 60 IP for the Cubs if this deal goes through.. Soler and LaStella each has four controllable years left and Cease is likely 3+ years away from MLB.
Can we stop with the “around 60 IP” talk? Obviously, teams put a premium on those 60 innings, particularly once we reach the playoffs. Yanks got Torres + for half a year of Chapman; Frazier and Sheffield for Miller.
Yes, Soler and LaStella each have 4 years of control left. And another 100+ minor leaguers in Chicago’s system have 6 years of control left as well. The question is, how valuable are they?
Considering how much the Yanks got for Chapman/Miller, this proposed package is rather underwhelming.
I’m guessing Soler and a mid level prospect.
Yes at most snewbanks
That would be a major, major steal for the Cubs.
You’re right. That’s not it. They actually gave up way less. *snickers*
Actually more that enough
It makes absolutely zero sense for the cubs to trade their best pitching prospect in cease. They cubs have depth at the major league level and the minor league level in position players. They lack depth in the rotation. It makes sense to trade from a position of strength, not weakness. If cease was a centerpiece, that’s a different story, but it sounds like soler is the centerpiece in this trade.
Wait. Wait. Wait. You think the Royals are getting Soler PLUS for one year of Wade Davis after a season that saw him miss time twice?
Go get some coffee, you need to wake that brain up.
Well the Royals GM just said this afternoon that he had no trades close!! Don’t know what to believe!!
Jorge Soler and Oscar De La Cruz/Jose Albertos?
Excellent move by Epstein and Co. if this goes through.
Soler and his balaclava on the move?
What would they give up? I think he only has one year of control left, correct me if I’m wrong. This also probably means the teams looking for closers are down to Washington, Miami, and Los Angeles.
Don’t forget the Yanks to that list.
And unfortunately the NY Yankees .
Why unfortunately?
Because it hurts the rebuild process by overpaying for another vet player with a bad contract.
No, it doesn’t hurt the rebuilding process. Another vet? Chapman is 28 years old for crying out loud! He’s not 38. And how do we know it’s overpaying? A number of people thought that Miller was being overpaid when he signed his deal. Turned out to be a bargain. Oh, and closers(and everyone else) are getting more expensive by the day.
As if the Cubs aren’t already a solid team lol
Soler,La Stella because could use a 2B and so on.
Has to be something along the lines of what chapman Miller or kimbrel went for
No Kimberl and miller had years of control left. And none were coming off a injury riddled year. They will get a good haul but not a great one. Some thing along the lines of underwood, candelario or soler and maybe another lesser prospects.
Miller (2-1/2) and Kimbrel (3) had more than one season’s team control remaining, enhancing their value. Miller and Chapman trades also had trade deadline premium relative to off-season transactions when teams in need have more options. Davis’ single year of control remaining and offseason trade would be factors in a lower return relative to the comparable trades you cite.
Soler is a controllable 24 yr old (4 yr ~15mil) left. They may throw in a lower prospect but don’t see much more. Miller had two years left.
Soler can opt into arbitration if I’m not mistaken. So if he does well, he’ll be a heck of a lot more expensive than that.
Geesh are the Royals busy. I would guess that KC would be getting a package centered around Soler in return.
Ian Happ should headline
Lmao
No way Happ is moved in this deal.
Yesssssss come on Cubs! Steal a possible weapon from STL!
Soler for Davis and candelario for dyson or Duffy
Yeah glad they stole Heyward last off season. Hehehe
hate to break it to ya but Cease, Jimenez, Happ would not be involved.
I could see Cease MAYBE, but definitely agree that Happ and Jimenez will not be included.
Exactly
I love Cardinal fan comments, It’s pure comedy
Cardinal Nation lives in their own little bubble, A one paper town, with the crappiest announcers FOX has for MLB, I would think the fans of Cardinal Nation forgot the early 70’s (after 67 and 68 world series years). Cardinal Nation supported their team, but sell-outs were pretty rare. You could go to Busch the night of the game and get a good box seat! The fans are pretty arrogant. I guess they like to dismiss the Giants attendance and World Series accomplishments this decade! LOL
Doubt the Cubs get a year of Davis for less than they got three months of Chapman.
keep in mind that deadline prices are more exorbitant than offseason prices
It does appear that Davis’s injury concern is driving down the price.
Oh they will certainly get a year of David for less then 3 months of Chapman
Chapman had no injury concerns. And there weren’t multiple top-tier closers available. So much of getting Chapman was preventing the Giants or Nats from getting him. It’s just not the same situation.
Damn! I was hoping the Mets would get him
Now get Giolito or Robles in that system
Absoluetly no way Dylan Cease is involved. He is the only pitcher in their system with ace potentional, Trever Clifton is the only other than Cease that will amount to anything
De La Cruz has TOR potential and is sort of projectable. Hudson has TOR ceiling but much less probable. There are even other guys behind them, but I guess that’s the layout for all farm systems not headlined by the Marlins or Angels.
Also keep in mind that Davis had some arm issues in the second half of 2016. Soler is probably a fair price for 1 year of a pitcher with real injury concerns.
Yah, because Soler doesn’t have any injury concerns…
I’m not sure I’d even move soler for Davis, his arms about to fall off lol
Yet another update. lol
Rumor has it that Jorge Soler jumped for joy and hit his head so severely that he is now unlikely to pass a physical.
Wonder if LA is making a push?
nationals
To get an All-Star, you have to give up more than Soler. Maybe Soler, plus another top prospect plus a lower level player.
I don’t disagree, but the Davis rumors have been floating for a while now, and no major names have been attached to him. It’s possible that his injury concern has scared off much of the market. Could the Nationals jump in at the last minute with a bigger name than we’ve heard so far? Absolutely. But as of now, it’s been 4 weeks, and Soler has been the biggest name attached to Davis by the national media. That’s surprising. But it’s why so many people believe the eventual Davis haul will be much lower than Royals fans expect.
Maybe, just Maybe, the price that Melancon signed for, and the rumored offers to Chapman and Jansen, have suddenly raised the value of any closer with a set price that is less than 20MM/season. That’s getting damn expensive. Getting an effective and affordable closer will cost in prospects, but that CBA makes $$$ a scarcer commodity. The cap is no longer as soft as it used to be.
that isn’t exactly sound logic there, metsturek.
we will see. The Royals are not going to give up Davis for Soler straight up.
Sure they will give up Davis for Soler
Neither is thinking you are getting Davis for Soler straight up.
Yes People are thinking that. Soler and maybe a bit more but nothing of major substance
Snag in trade? I wonder what Cubs and Nats are each offering
It seems likely the Cubs offered Soler. And given that the Nationals have been dangling Robles in EVERY trade discussion, my guess is that he’s on the table here, too.
I think if that was the case, KC would’ve jumped already without any hesitation.
If it’s 1 yr of Davis for Robles the Royals are stupid for not pulling the trigger already.
try 2 more prospects with Robles
Robles is about all one would need to acquire Davis…
If Soler can get Davis, Robles is way more than enough.
Robles and fedde for Davis and Cain.
What is the issue. The article says it hit snag. What is it?
Reading is your friend.
“8:07pm: The source of the snag is that the Nationals have made a late bid to acquire Davis, ESPN’s Jayson Stark writes.”
Cubs are like their fans, reluctant to trade any prospects. Soler? Please, not getting it done
Cubs are like their fans? Um. Pretty sure the Cubs just gave up Torres for Chapman. So they’ll trade guys when the market dictates that value.
But what’s the market on a 32-year old closer with recent arm injuries? So far – Soler is the biggest name the national media has attached to Davis. Don’t blame Cubs fans for bringing Soler into this. Blame the media for making it seem like Davis’s market has bottomed out to the point that Soler is the best the Royals can do.
The national media is wrong a lot. Moncada was supposed to be untouchable. Now he’s a White Sox. Some teams (a few, anyway) are able to control the leaks. They believe its better if players that don’t get traded have no idea they were ever seriously discussed with another team.
Leaks work both ways. The Royals would leak bigger names if bigger names were there to leak. It’s strange that a guy of Davis’s caliber hasn’t had any big name stretched to him.
Moncada was said to be untouchable, true. But his name was attached to Sale for months. It’s not like the deal came out of nowhere.
Again, it depends on the team. Dombrowski plays things close to the vest. The only time the Red Sox were mentioned as serious players for Sale was Immediately before he acquired him. It was the same with Price and Cabrera in Detroit. You hear about his misses much later, unlike the Nationals, who may as well be using a twitter account to conduct their trade talks.
I like the deal from the perspective of the Sox. I think Sale got the big head, suspended for not wearing the throwback jersey… Real team player there!
Invalid user bad news for you. Soler gets it done
The value these royals fans think wade Davis has blows my mind. He’s not chapman. It’s not the trade deadline. Wade Davis gets injured often. 1 year contract.
apparently you dont know the market for elite closers then
So Chris sale goes for moncada and kopech and you expect wade Davis to go for just as much. Really?
He knows the value of closers but it appears Stop21 does not
Could just be driving the price up. What is the downside for the Nationals in getting involved?
At this point I feel like the nationals probably were also involved in the outcome of the presidential race! They’re involved in literally everything!
I wonder if the Nats are throwing in Giolito, I’m excited for this trade though , its gonna bring in a massive haul
If you are going to give up Giolito, get Verlander then.
You’ll be extremely disappointed if you’re expecting Giolito or a “massive haul” of any kind. Solar is the biggest name they will be able to get in this trade.
And the cardinals sit with their thumb up there ass
We already signed one of the best left handed relievers in baseball last week. The cardinals don’t need wade.
When healthy, every team can use a Wade Davis. Dude is a beast. Shocked he hasn’t been attached To bigger names than soler
Thank God for the Nats. Really don’t want Davis. Only if it is straight up for Soler is it worth the risk. 2 DL stints for elbow issues is worrisome to say the least. Soler and random minor leaguers at most. Anything more than that….. no.
Completely agree.
I love how people think soler will be center of package. He’s garbage,5th best outfielder on the team. Has an often injured replacement level player.
I like how you and your KC fans keep saying that, when it is evident he is the center of the package. ONLY names tossed around in these talks have been Soler and Davis….. no one else. If any top prospect from the Cubs side were mentioned we would’ve heard about it by now. If anything I am willing to bet EACH side adds some low level prospect to sweeten the deal. People need to wake up and realize that as of right now Davis is a strong likelihood he has a jacked up elbow that may need TJ surgery. 2 DL stints within like 3 months for elbow soreness and flexor strains generally leads to the same ending. Torn UCL.
Soler is the centerpiece
Does it matter if he’s the fifth best outfielder on the Cubs?
Because he’d become the second best outfielder on the Royals.
Cain and Gordon are both better than Soler. Being better than Palmero is not saying much.
I’m a royals fan so hopefully they make a good trade. My fantasy trade (which will never happen) would be Bryant and Happ for Davis lol. I know it’s just a scenario that could only happen in my dreams
Lol where did that come from? In your dream do you want to move the royals to wrigley field too?
Nah Kauffman stadium is perfect
You aren’t getting Giolito or Robles. Try something starting with Federal and others. Maybe Lopez at most.
Troll much? As much as it’s silly to some a three-peat (or even a repeat), to say the future is bleak is ranging from obnoxious to ignorant. By the way, no way I’d be happy if they were locked in with Fowler for $18 a year for 4 years.
Soler, Zastryzny, Candelario or Zagunis
The Nationals are only going to match that if they are out on McCutchen
Still don’t get why they don’t trust Rondon. As a closer, prior to being demoted after the Chapman deal, he was 77 for 93 in save opps for an 83% success rate. Had an ERA around 2.00, FIP around 2.50, and WHIP around 1.00 with a K/9 rate around 9.5 and a BB/9 rate of less than 2. Kenley Jansen’s career save % is 88%. The difference between 83% and 88% is negligible. In 50 save opps 83% equates to 41-42 Saves. 88% equates to 44 saves. Is Rondon that much worse than these supposed elite closers? I don’t think so. At least not to the point you need to keep trading for a new closer. Chapman was a waste mainly because he sucked d**k in the postseason and da** near cost them the World Series in game 7…… It was Edwards and Montgomery who “locked it down” not Chapman. I really want Cubs fans to realize that. I keep hearing “well, the Chapman trade got us the World Series…..” No. It didn’t. The Chapman trade nearly cost them the World Series and now they’re out a top prospect in Torres. Chapman didn’t lock anything down in the playoffs. I keep referring it that way because that’s how he was advertised at the time of the trade. “Oh man, Cubs got their ‘lock down’ closer now…. look out MLB.” Again, Chapman didn’t lock sh** down. 3.45 ERA in the playoffs with 4 saves and 3 blown saves. I’d call that pretty crappy.
My blood pressure goes up every time I read one of your books.
Chapman heroed his way through the end of games 5 and 6. The Cubs wouldn’t have won without him.
Montgomery’s 2 pitch, 1 out save to end game 7 is a prime example for why a ‘save’ is not truly indicative of a player’s output.
Besides, you sure remember all of the wasted text your wrote back in July crucifying the Vogelbach for Montgomery trade?
Haha. I remember KB’s rants against that one!
Oh boy that guy hated Montgomery. Funny how he shut his mouth about it now
Lmao I’m crying.
I watched about most of the Cubs games in 2016. You’re wrong about Rondon. The Cubs were forced to trade for a Chapman rental because Rondon was awful. He had few appearances early on because the Cubs were blowing teams out. When they did use him consistently, he posted a 6.34 ERA during the 2nd half. Joe Maddon lost all confidence in him at that point, which is why he wasn’t used much in the postseason. At this point, he’s useless as a closer. The Cubs are better off trading him.
He had a 1.86 ERA before injuring his forearm in early August. He couldn’t throw a slider to save his life the rest of the year. You think the injury might’ve played a part in that? Most people would say it did.
Sorry. 1.70 ERA.
ChiSoxCity you are clueless. Rondon was awful? Really? Sorry dude he was very good. Maddon never lost confidence in him and obviously you do not watch the games but you watch Joel Sherman on MLB who kept saying that. Rondon and Strop got hurt at the end of the year. If you actually watched the games instead of pretending you may be able to make an intelligent comment. Try thinking for yourself if you can. Just a tip.
I bet you spew this crap at the water cooler and all your colleagues secretly despise you. Or maybe its not a secret.
Happ is the headliner
That’s a funny way to spell Jorge Soler.
ha
Well I guess we all know stop21 knows nothing
I can tell you that its not 1 for 1, Happ will be in the deal
Happ? I didn’t realize we were getting kelvin herrera, Eric hosmer and Ventura as well. Good to know.
I don’t think people understand that soler would be an impact starter for 90% of the teams in the MLB. Huge power with an absolute cannon.
When he catches the ball…
Ok twohole so Soler cannot catch huh?
He certainly put together a nice blooper reel in 2016.
Aloha 1e828d29- I have been a huge Soler fan since they picked him up, really wanted him to work out. I just do not know if he has the “work” ethic for example, like Schwarber does. You saw what in the past was a career-ending injury, turned around in 6months by Kyle! Jorge has all the tools to be very good; he has to apply himself. That being said, I think there is a big upside potential if he does work hard on his approach at the plate, running the bases and playing better and smarter defense, cannot always rely on one’s arm, has to get to the ball. Having said that, I thought there could have been a chance to work with the Indians who need a right-handed power hitter (Soler DH/OF) and Baez. I know everyone says Baez is untouchable but sometimes you have to take a chance and if the Indians would have traded say Carrasco & Miller for Soler/Baez/prospect it is a win-win for both teams. The Indians are now looking at Trumbo and he could cost up to $20mil/yr. In Soler you get him for I think $4-5mil for the next 4yrs and Baez is controller for another 5yrs. The Cubs get Miller for two years at about $10mil/yr about the same for Carlos on the back end of his contract. But this is all a mute point now if Soler is confirmed to be gone. I do not like these rental or 1yr deals, you can never have enough pitching and good pitching at that. Take care now. Mahalo!
I don’t think Solar and Baez would come close to getting Carrasco, by himself. Cleveland infield is set. No real need for Baez. They need a 1b, OF. and a 2nd lefty for the pen. That’s why Miller wouldn’t be involved, unless the Cubs gave back a ready now Lefty for the pen. Like the Cubs, Cleveland came in First (remember the WS) and is not playing for the future.
That’s just dumb. If the cubs wanted Miller they could have gotten him and Chapman for Torres. Cashman is greedy and wanted 4 prospects and 3 throw ins.
The cubs don’t need carrasco. They are not and never were gonna trade baez and Soler for him. Theo isn’t gonna get hosed like that.
I want Chapman back but not if he wants 100mil. If he goes back to the jankees. That’s fine. They go to Wrigley next season. June I think. He’ll get his ring and a standing ovation
Soler hasn’t been very disciplined at the plate thus far in his career. Davis has been a darn good reliever the past few seasons & has been an All-Star. A one-for-one deal would be a bit surprising. I would have thought the Royals would have gotten a few players in return
The weird thing is that he was in 2014 and for the first part of the 2015 season.
Then he started getting called out on pitches about a foot off the plate and altered his approach.
Soler hasn’t had the season where he’s put it all together. I think he will though. This trade should help both teams without hurting either one of them.
Couldn’t agree any more on Soler. He was always, in my opinion, the most over-hyped of the Cubs prospects. He might be a league-average or slightly-above OPS guy, but it will be weighted heavily by solo home runs. For one of the five best relievers in the game over the last three years? Not bad.
Gordon LF
Merrifield 2B
Hosmer 1B
Cain CF
Perez C
Soler LF
Chris Carter DH?
Escobar SS
Moustakas 3B
lets go for it all one more time
That’s one heck of a left field
best in the league lol
It’s called the left field shift.
How’s that pitching staff working for you in KC these Day, especially if Davis leaves?
Now list that pitching staff and try to say it with meaning. LOL
Trade on trade off trade on trade off… hope Cubs get it done and just soler. He has a cannon of arm and can hit moon shots . Crowded outfield he is odd man out. Let’s get arrieta signed to extension and trade for a young starter.
Probably getting final offers from everyone before deciding. Nationals are running out of options for a closer. I doubt they will outbid the Dodgers or Yankees for Chapman or Jansen. If Davis is off the table their options are limited…
I’m sure the Cubs will seal the deal they have prospects to spare.
And he wouldn’t have that issue if they didn’t sign Jon jay. He wasn’t needed at all.
They wouldn’t have this issue if they didn’t waste time getting Jon Jay. Soler could have been playing like he has been.
Soler learned how to play cf and bat left handed?
No way Happ headlines this deal. Not for one year of Davis. And please don’t give me the “look what we gave up for a half season of Chapman” because a) Davis is not Chapman, and b) Davis has fairly significant questions of injury and potential regression. Soler headlines the deal with two other prospects in the 10-20 range. Maybe Candelario but even that may tip the scales too far the other way. Dewees seems like a KC type player who they may ask about. Soler, Dewees, and maybe Galindo or another lower level mid grade prospect.
There’s no way wade would cost 3 prospects. Its Soler and maybe a low level prospect for wade. Your trading 1 year for 4 years. If anything cubs get wade and one other player
You do understand that the quality of each individual is more important than the number of them, right?
Chicago 670AM The Score is talking to Bruce Levine right now and he is saying it sounds like it is Soler for Davis straight up. Hold up is the CUBS are looking for KC to ADD more to the deal. Not vice versa. So all you KC GMs can go suck it. Soler for Davis, like I’ve been saying all day….. more than fair.
Still not overly thrilled with adding him. I guess one injury concern for another injury concern is fair though.
Levine says deal likely gets announced tomorrow.
Because some talking head guesses like the rest of us we can go suck it? Let’s wait and see, pal. If it was one for one it would be done. There’s a reason it hasn’t been announced and with other teams making bids that increases KC’s haul not the other way around.
Because the Cubs are asking for more in return than just Davis, that could be why it is being held up. That or each team is getting their medical info together. Not like Wade Davis and Soler are the perfect models of health.
I don’t get why you all think KC is the one demanding more. There has been no rumor along those lines. Also, pretty sure the first report I heard about this being a possibility was because the Royals contacted the Cubs saying Soler interests them, not the Cubs contacting them saying “Hey, we want Davis – here’s Soler.” There has been 0 mention of Soler just being part of a package with other prospects….. that has all been created by Royal fans in this thread. ALL indications from a guy actually there at the meetings whose sole job is reporting on the Cubs says it sounds like a straight up deal and that it will be announced tomorrow more than likely……… and KC fans STILL deny this.
Bruce Levine is there and deals with the Cubs directly. He’d know more than the likes of Ken Rosenthal or Passan. I also highly doubt he’d make crap up about a Soler – Davis trade. This might offend some Royals fans judging by how awesome and insanely valuable they think Davis is worth, but due to his injury woes in 2016, a Soler for Davis deal isn’t exactly MLB shattering news. Sure it’s a notable trade, but an elbow issue closer with 1 year of control for a high ceiling, young outfielder isn’t exactly “Moncada+ for Sale”-like news.
All I am saying is from the Cubs reporting side it sounds like Soler for Davis straight up and that the Cubs have actually been the team trying to get more for Soler….. not the Royals asking more in return for Davis. Just saying. EVEN IF the Cubs toss another player in it will most definitely not be to the lofty standards that KC fans have been assuming and wanting from the sounds of it. My guess it will be Davis and some random low-level Royal prospect for Soler and some random low-level Cubs prospect.
I REALLY don’t get why people think KC has been in the driver seat on this deal as well. It’s not like the Cubs are desperate for Davis. If they were yearning for a top tier closer they’d just sign Jansen – it’s not like the Cubs don’t have any money. Pretty sure the Cubs won’t lose any sleep if they had to keep Soler in the event they or the Royals end talks. The Royals on the other hand have a commodity they’ve made known they wan to get rid of. I’m sure they won’t be overly thrilled they couldn’t move Davis during the offseason if that ends up being the case. So again, I really don’t get why people, and by that I mean KC fans, think the Royals are in control here. IMO no one really has a leg up on the other guy in negotiations. Royals don’t HAVE to trade to the Cubs and the Cubs really don’t NEED Davis. Soler and Davis swap just helps both teams out. KC gets their desperate need for OF depth and their DH replacement for Morales in a young, high ceiling, controllable player in Soler. And the Cubs strengthen their pen…… if Davis’ arm doesn’t fall off. Simple as that.
Also, just look at the d**n headline. It says Cubs are close to trading Jorge Soler to KC for Wade Davis……. Not Cubs are close to sending package containing Soler to KC for Wade Davis…… or Cubs are close to sending Soler and (insert prospect name here) to KC for Wade Davis.
If a notable prospect were even being discussed I am pretty sure we would’ve heard at least a couple names pop up by now.
Royals fans, keep on hoping though I guess. Despite all signs and reports going against your hopes and wishes.
ANOTHER reason no announcement has been made could likely be because the Royals are holding out for another offer from another team and have given a deadline for tomorrow morning. I’m thinking the “interest” level reported on Davis is a lot of fabrication on KC’s part (and their fans in this message board).
Check out that update there royals fan. Reviewing physicals….. announcement likely in the morning…….. now who said that a few hours ago? Hmmmm.
If I’m KC Id be happy if I could get Soler and Candelario. But I’m in the camp that thinks Davis’ arm is about done. Two arm injuries last year that both scream potential TJS. Get value while you still can. Soler can be a middle of the lineup bat for years if he pans out, and candelario could be the replacement for moose in 2018.
Soler just needs to stay healthy and get consistent ABs. When healthy he has shown his serious potential. As a DH and part time OFer he should have better odds at staying healthy. If that’s the case he’s a potential .270 hitter with a .340 OBP and belts 25 HRs for you. It’s why I say I don’t get why KC fans think the Royals are in the driver seat. Royal player in question is a dude with 2 DL stints in 2016 involving his pitching elbow, and he is only controlled for the 1 season opposed to Soler’s, what, 4 or 5 remaining on his deal. A healthy Soler would be one of the best offensive players in KC. He too is an injury risk. Unlike Davis though he’s controlled for a lot longer. THAT is why if/when this goes down (likely tomorrow according to reports I’ve hear) it will be Soler for Davis straight up…… Cubs are wanting Davis and then some…… which is likely why the deal hasn’t been announced yet. Royal fans in here REFUSE to believe that though. Because according to them and the mouse in their pocket it is KC who is sorting out who else they want in addition to Soler…… despite 0 reports backing that up.
Bottom line, announcement most likely tomorrow before lunch according to actual reports from actual reporters there actually talking to the teams…… not MLBTR message board hearsay and hypotheses.
I’m not a royals fan. Actually I’m a die hard Cubs fan for over 20 years. I’m just saying I could see other pieces from both sides moving here. The price for elite bullpen arms is ridiculously high right now. Personally I wouldn’t give that much for Davis because frankly his elbow scares the hell out of me. But if a team like Washington gets involved late the price might climb. If it means getting another arm prospect back I’d have no issue giving up candelario since he is forever blocked from the Cubs roster.
Never said you were. I was just stressing the point as to why it is likely only Soler and Davis straight up. I then ripped into Royals fans for thinking they’ll get this kings ransom for an injury question in Davis who is controllable for 1 year and HARDLY has the resume of the likes of Chapman. Reports have only heard Davis’ and Soler’s names mentioned. Usually if a notable prospect is in rumors, the “insiders” generally leak that crap all over twitter. There has been no mention of anything other than Davis and Soler straight up. Bruce Levine was on the radio and he reports on the Cubs. His JOB is to talk to the Cubs about their moves. From what he gathered is that it is Soler straight up for Davis and that it is the CUBS asking for a bit more. Now that might mean the Cubs also toss in another player…… but Levine says he’s pretty sure it will be a straight up deal and the additional players are just speculation. He said an announcement is likely happening tomorrow morning. Now flash forward 2.5 hours later and MLBTR reports that the two sides are pending physicals and an announcement will be made sometime tomorrow morning……. pretty much what Levine said earlier. Royals fans will STILL refuse to believe this and continue to think a top prospect is going their way. IF ANYTHING it will be Davis for Soler and a Rashad Crawford-like minor leaguer….. you know, a dude no one has ever heard of before……. but also a Rashad Crawford-like minor leaguer heading the Cubs way as well. I mean just look at the headline on this thread. “Cubs Close To Trading Jorge Soler To Royals For Wade Davis” Where in there does it say, “Jorge Soler plus others…”?
Sorry for ranting at you. These Royals fans have just been delusional all day.
That makes no sense. You do not give away Candelario because he is blocked. He still has value that you need to get back in a trade. You do not just throw him in for nothing
When did I say throw him in for nothing? Obviously you don’t just give him away but if you can include him in the deal and a get a guy like Almonte back then trade him. Candelarios value is high right now. So you move him before it drops and get a guy who could eventually help the Cubs 25 man roster.
Rangers get Scuzr,Dyson,Kennedy,O’hean, Cubs get Davis,Mid level Prospect from Rangers,Ventura or Duffy and Royals get Soler,Mendez and so on?
……. or just Soler and Davis straight up. Like reports are indicating to be the case.
Jorge Soler passed the concussion protocol after his unfortunate head incident earlier this evening and will soon be officially traded, pending yet another physical. lol
According to Nightengale, deal is done.
“The #Cubs and #Royals have a deal: OF Jorge Soler to #Royals for Wade Davis. Teams examining physicals. Will be announced in morning”
KC must either be REALLY high on Soler or feel like Wade’s arm is going to explode at any minute, otherwise I think they could’ve gotten a much better deal at the deadline worst case scenario.
I think Chicago will stop at finding a closer here. This will drive up the demand for other elite closers like Jansen and Chapman. We might see 100mil contracts for them after all. Just hoping the Dodgers manage to resign Jansen
This trade will have zero effect on Jansen and Chapman markets. None. Neither the Cubs or Royals were going to sign either Chapman or Jansen so it will not drive demand
Supply and demand. One of the few dominate closers available off the market will drive up the demand. Basic economics. One less fall back option.
All but done. Can’t wait to read the Royals fans crying and being in shock they didn’t get their coveted top ranked prospect in return they thought Davis was worth. Funny thing is it sounds like it has been the Cubs holding up the deal, wanting more in return for Soler…. not the other way around. This is going to be good. Good night, see you butt hurt Royals fans in the morning. Getting the popcorn ready already for comment reading come mid morning…… pending physicals of course.
That said….. not overly thrilled with this trade even with it looking to be Soler for Davis straight up….. which is what I’ve been saying I wouldn’t mind. REALLY think Davis’ elbow is about to blow up. Soler was expendable though with no place to play here……… oh well. I can think of worse players to roll the dice with than Davis. Worst case, they’re out $10M and Davis is picking up elbow fragments off the mound. Best Case…… they have one of the better closers going in the NL. ESPECIALLY if Jansen and Chapman sign in the AL. OH how I hope for the latter.
As a Royals fan – I have no issue with this deal (although we don’t know the final details yet).
I’ve seen some people say “Davis is not Chapman. Well – until last season he was. There wasn’t a better bullpen arm than Wade 2-3 years ago. He was as dominant out of the pen as I’ve seen.
But he was different last year. I don’t think he was as good as his ERA would suggest.
I also think Soler is being a little undervalued by many. He’s already show raw power and the ability to get on base at a decent clip. Plus he’s got a very team friendly contract for the next four years and could be coming into his prime.
Well said oct27. Soler is a young mlb ready high upside prospect signed already to a nice contract with many controllable years. That is what the Royals need and got. That control enhances his value tremendously. So many commenters on this site think this is fantasy baseball. Its not. A players value is determined by talent age health money and control.
I’m surprised Davis only brought back solar.
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If it’s straight up , the Cubs win the trade. I don’t get all the love for Soler. He has a career 1.5 fWAR in 765 PA. An injured Wade Davis last season had a 1.3 fWAR
Don’t think there’s all that much love for Soler. Davis was on the DL twice last year for issues that are frequently portenders of TJ surgery. Plus he’s a free agent after this season. If Soler is a .255 25-HR hitter for 4 years, the Royals did Ok IMO.
Soler can be better than that, if he can stay healthy and play everyday. He’s a young kid with big power. I could see him easily becoming an All-Star corner-fielder for KC. 162 games will continue to be a challenge for Soler though. He needs to shorten that swing up a bit, and lose some weight too.
His career WAR means nothing. He is 24. He needs to be in right field and play every day. That is all. He is an upside play and the talent is there.
the cubs are gonna keep trading their young prospects for a closer every year it seems like becuae theo and jed do not want to sign one long term.
Or because they think they have one in Edwards and just want to give him more experience before he takes over
100% correct with Edwards.
Bingo, we have a winner.
Bam! Well said justinept!
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Remember that one time royals fans thought wade Davis was going to bring a massive haul?
Soler, if he pans out, is a massive haul by himself. He has massive potential and he’s still pretty young, cheap, and controlablle
Now that the Cubs have used up their Soler trade chip, I wonder if they actually will pursue someone like Archer….
They already have a bullpen set now I see them adding a veteran lefty like Boone Logan for insurance. Then they should be going all in for a young controllable starter.
I’d prefer Nova. I’d prefer McHugh or Fiers. Since I’m not up for parting with Baez, Schwarber or Eloy/Happ/Cease/Clifton
Yeah, the Cubs should be active in the 2017 FA market for a young ace. I don’t see them re-signing Arietta. He’s declined rapidly, but will still carry a high price tag. They need to find a replacement for Lackey after next season as well.
The trade in itself has good value for both teams. Royals will have succeeded if Soler produces .250~.270 with 15~25HR over his time with them. The important part is that unlike other prospect packages(which I’m sure many teams offered) Soler’s production can be imminent, maybe even upgrading the Royal’s chances in 2017.
Cub’s just need Wade for a year because I think they want Edwards Jr. to mature and be their closer of the future. Same reason as to why they haven’t pursued the “Big 3” closers. Again, seems like good trade on paper for both teams
Wait- the Royals ask for Rosario, who could be a Top 5 prospect, but accept a trade for Soler who has yet to show any signs of being a productive major league bat???
Soler hasnt shown anything since his couple month first season and he looks awful in the outfield. This a no-brainer move for Cubs. Not sure what the Royals are thinking with the returns recent dominant closers have received. I think they are selling low here
If this is, indeed, a straight-up trade of Soler for Davis, what a horrible, horrible trade for the Royals.
Is Moore serious? Soler, and that’s it? Uh, Cubs win?
Unless the Royals know something about Davis, this is a steal for Chicago. I hope the Cubs review his medicals very carefully.
Soler hasn’t proved anything thusfar. This is a terrible return for one of the top closers in the game considering how much guys like Melancon, Chapman and Jansen are going for. Soler’s all age and potential but that .762 career OPS is worse than Puig at this point (who likely wouldn’t be considered a good enough return for Davis). With so many teams needing a new closer, the Royals should have been able to score more than a Soler type of player out of this.
and apparently he has opt out after 2018 season. not sure how that opt out works but royals might be getting two years of Soler for one year of Davis. seems a bit less.
I don’t think it’s that he can opt out of his contract…it’s that he can opt into arbitration. So they’d still have team control.
As I’ve been saying… I find it very odd that the Royals initially wanted Giolito back in July and settled for Jorge Soler in December. That’s not a total knock on Soler who still has massive potential, but there is a steep difference between the initial ask and the eventual haul. As a Cubs fan, I’m a little reserved with my feelings here. The industry seems to know something, which led to a lower haul. How hurt is Davis?
I can’t help at scratch my head at this one. I’m in Chicago, so I have probably seen Soler more than most scouts, but it’s still fairly obvious to me that his approach isn’t one that is going to translate.
Ultimately, even with upside his value is super depressed right now. How he’s the center piece of any deal is beyond me. Even if the Royals see value there, that’s no excuse. They could get him as a throw in to a larger prospect deal because that is what Soler’s value is. Absolutely mind boggling that this trade is in the works.
Keep in mind though Soler wasn’t an every day starter in Chicago and when he was playing he likely was never 100% most of the time. If he can stay healthy as a DH he can be a .270 hitter with a good OBP and hit 25 HRs or more. I mean his stats despite playing part time and battling injury aren’t that bad, even including his down 2016 season. Even if he hits to his career numbers in a full season it’s still pretty solid, and about as good as any OFer currently on the Royals. .260 BA, .330 OBP, .770 OPS, 25-30 HRs…….. That’s if he just puts up what he’s already done. That’s SOILID output. I don’t get why people are continually undervaluing that. His ONLY issue is staying healthy. But guess what Davis’ issue is? His elbow which led to two DL stints in 2016. BOTH are health concerns. BOTH have a possibility to be on the DL for most of the year. BOTH will be studs if they stay healthy all year though. Soler is 24 years old and has 4 years of control. Davis is 31 years old and has 1 year of control. I don’t get what people aren’t getting. If Soler was healthy and playing last July I’m willing to bet they trade Soler, McKinney, and maybe toss in Warren again to clear a spot in the bullpen for Chapman and just ride Contreras out in LF the rest of the year. Just saying. Difference between Soler and a prospect is that Soler has shown glimpses of being a star player. The talent IS there. He just needs to stay healthy. Prospects can rake all they want in the minors but still bust hard at the ML level. There’s no guarantee. Soler is closer to a guarantee than any prospect…… one more time, he just needs to stay healthy. Pretty sure KC has a fan favorite there who used to have a hard time staying healthy and on the field early in his career too. Pretty sure his name is Alex Gordon. Looking at Gordon’s first 3 injury riddled year in MLB his stats are actually worse than what Soler’s managed to put up. Just saying.
4 years of Soler for 1 year of Davis is more than fair. As for those saying Davis is this upper echelon closer…….. maybe, but he doesn’t have the resume that resembles the likes of Chapman or Jansen. Not even looking at his elbow issues from 2016, he’s only been a great reliever and eventual closer for 3 years……… hell, he’s only been a closer for 1.5 years. Pretty sure he’s already had TJ surgery in his career too. So he could be headed to his 2nd surgery……. hopefully not. He did return to finish the year and will have to pass a physical…. So my I guess I got to cool my doubts over him. Still, fair trade.
The scout take on him since being in the bigs is very down on his approach combined with his eye. There’s almost no chance he reaches the measurables you are calculating.
Short of going back down to the minors, deconstructing his swing for a year, and coming back as a completely different player…Jorge Soler is nothing more than a flyer. And once again, the point isn’t ceiling, it’s his value. Jorge Soler has none. The Cubs just got a steal, getting a marquee player on a rental for nothing more than a non-tender candidate that isn’t going to be worth his arbitration salary once he has the service time.
I can’t believe that is all it will take for Wade Davis. I know he was hurt the end of last year but Jorge Solar hasn’t accomplished anything. With the price of relief pitching I would think they could have done better.
This is unreal.
Davis is coming off one of the best three year runs for a reliever ever (ERA )
For a one year deal and the Cubs can QO him after this year. And all it costs is Soler, a 100-120 OPS RFer with 4 years of control.
That’s a steal, especially compared to what they paid for Chapman
ERA ^
Considering where Davis’ ERA was in 2015, did you expect it to go down?
What exactly do people think they gave up for Chapman (really only Torres….. then a run-of-the-mill reliever in Warren, a failing prospect in McKinney, and a dude named Crawford…… not that much)? Also, why do they keep comparing Davis to Chapman? Chapman’s been lights out as a reliever/closer for his whole career. Davis was a crap starting pitcher turned reliever and has only been doing the relieving gig for 3 years…… only closing for 1.5 years. Sure he’s had great seasons, still doesn’t have the history other top tier relievers/closers have. Then there of course is his elbow red flag.
Soler’s stats in limited play as a 4th OFer and due to injury are about as good as Alex Gordon’s. If Soler can stay healthy as KC’s DH and get a full season’s worth of ABs he is one of their best offensive players in 2017 if not the best.
royals fans will be happy about this trade 2 months in season. They haven’t watched him play enough.
KC got robbed. Soler could still break out, but I think they could’ve gotten at least one more mid level prospect.
Deal isn’t final yet. Kind of wondering if something was found during the physicals. Late last night they made it sound like the announcement would be mid-late morning like around 9-10AM EST. It’s 1 PM out there now. Couldn’t imagine checking out physicals would take this long.
Chicago radio literally just said the hold up has been the swap of medical records….. what do you know. Kind of hope they find Davis’ arm is in shreds and the deal is nixed. Would rather see Soler used in a deal for a SP.
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