The Brewers are the surprise leaders of the National League Central as the All-Star break approaches, and Jon Morosi of MLB.com writes that they’ve begun doing “background work” on White Sox lefty Jose Quintana and Athletics righty Sonny Gray in advance of the non-waiver trade deadline. Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel tweets that any pitcher the Brewers acquire this summer would have to be controllable beyond the current season.
Milwaukee’s place atop the standings was unexpected for most, but it’s not much of a surprise to see them linked to controllable arms. As we noted when listing Milwaukee as a potential fit for Gray last week, assets of this nature mesh with the Brewers’ current status as contenders as well as their longer-term rebuilding vision that’s ahead of schedule thanks to breakouts from Jimmy Nelson, Corey Knebel, Travis Shaw and Eric Thames, among others. That rebuilding effort, it should be noted, has left Milwaukee with one of the game’s top-ranked minor league systems.
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Quintana can be controlled through the 2020 season via a guaranteed $8.85MM salary next season and a pair of club options for the 2019 and 2020 seasons, which are respectively valued at $10.5MM and $11MM. Gray, meanwhile, is earning $3.575MM in 2017 and will be eligible for arbitration in each of the next two winters before reaching free agency upon completion of the 2019 campaign. Either player would easily fit into a Milwaukee payroll that is among the game’s lowest in 2017 and has just $25MM committed to two players (Ryan Braun and Thames) in each of the next two seasons.
Neither Gray nor Quintana has numbers that are immediately eye-catching, but each has shown signs of life after poor starts to the season. In his past six outings, Quintana has averaged 9.1 K/9 against 3.6 BB/9 with a 54.8 percent ground-ball rate, leading to a 2.34 ERA in that span. Gray, meanwhile, has averaged 8.7 K/9 against 3.1 BB/9 with a 51.3 percent grounder rate across his past seven outings, resulting in a 3.45 ERA.
The Brewers have received 104 sensational innings from Nelson this season, but their second-best starter, Chase Anderson, recently landed on the disabled list due to an oblique strain and could miss up to six weeks. Matt Garza has enjoyed a resurgence in 2017 after a pair of sub-par seasons, but Milwaukee’s rotation has been spotty beyond that trio. Zach Davies is second on the team in innings but carries a 4.90 ERA, while Junior Guerra missed the first six weeks of the season and hasn’t come close to last year’s success when healthy. Wily Peralta, meanwhile, has 6.08 ERA through eight starts.
Given those struggles and their reported desire to upgrade the 2017 roster, Milwaukee figures to be linked to a number of rotation options over the next three weeks. (Morosi speculatively links them to Toronto lefty J.A. Happ as well.) The Brewers currently sit 4.5 games ahead of the Cubs and 5.5 games ahead of the Cardinals in the NL Central.
What do they have to trade ?
They actually have a good farm system. Trades at last year’s deadline helped a lot.
They have a top 3-5 farm system in baseball according to a lot of people
A lot of young people…
They have 5 of MLB’s 54 ranked prospects. Not to mention with an influx of infielders on the Major League roster they could afford to trade a Major League ready piece.
they low key have a really good farm system
A package of Diaz/Clark/another young piece could get Gray.
No thanks
No, it probably wouldn’t. Not for a decent pitcher who’s shown signs of being really, really good that has 2 arb years remaining. I hope the Brewers make it to the postseason and make some noise, but they’re not going to without better starting pitching, and they’re just not getting that via trade by offering mid-100 prospects like Diaz and Clark.
Uh, no that’s not enough
Do you not realize the Brewers would be betting on one good year from Gray? Last year he was trash and this year with a 4.00 ERA he’s the definition of average. Yeah he would be an upgrade to the Brewers rotation and is under control for a few more years by name a team that could/would offer a better package than Diaz/Clark/Ortiz? I’ll wait
ERA? Sonny Gray has a 3.58 FIP and the worst defense in MLB in years behind him, he’s been pretty excellent and back to his normal high quality borderline ace self.
era isnt everything. peripherals look good
He’s on to something, provided that other young piece is Brinson or Hader.
If I were White Sox GM Rick Hahn, I’d take Brinson and Ray and call it a day!
For what it’s worth, Baseball America just updated their top-100 prospect list (baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-midseason-top-100-…) and Corey Ray was nowhere to be found. He had been #42 on their pre-2017 list.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Lewis Brinson & Josh Hader in a White Sox uniform.
You’re insane if you think the Brewers would move Hader or Brinson. Let alone both in a Quintana deal. There’s a reason every team has balked at the White Sox asking price. It’s way too high. Gray would be a cheaper, younger and better fit for the Crew
So you think your Brewers can land one of the 2 hottest commodities with club control for 3-4 years at the deadline without giving up even 1 of your best prospects? Who is insane?
took the words out of my mouth. No way Brewers get Gray or Quintana without one of those 2 in a deal. Can nit-pick both of them all you want but they’re both going to get a huge package wherever they land in a trade..
While I’d definitely prefer Brinson, I wouldn’t be shocked to see the Sox settle on Corey Ray as a headliner in a Q deal. The additional pieces would have to be a little better than if it was Brinson headlining, obviously, but with Ray being an extremely talented local guy that grew up with their ACE program, I’m 99.9% positive that they’ll be enamored with him.
Gray has had 1 good season. Yes he is an upgrade for the Brewers and will bring a lot. If you honestly think a contending team would offer more than 3 top 100 prospects (Clark, Diaz, Ortiz for example) I’d love to hear it. Teams will have the same issues with Gray. He hasn’t been healthy the last two seasons and other than his breakout a few years ago hasn’t been good.
It depends how you look at it. I don’t see any team offering “more than 3 top 100 prospects,” meaning 4 top 100 prospects. But I could easily see teams offering more value than that. MLB.com has Ortiz at 51, Diaz at 54, and Clark unranked. Even if you place Clark at say 75, what do you think is more valuable:
1) Ortiz @ 51, Diaz @ 54, and Clark @ 75
or
2) Eloy Jimenez @ 8, Dylan Cease @ 63, and a lottery ticket
Personally, I’d take package #2 every single day of the week. It’s less than “3 top 100 prospects,” but it’s significantly more valuable to me.
Jose Quintanna has a 4.45 ERA and you think hader and brinson is not enough? get a grip man if they offer that white sox take that and run
Gray 1 good season? 2013 his rookie season was very good. 2014 and 2015 he was one of the top 10 AL starters. 2016 he was injured. 2017 he has a ERA of 4.00 with a whip of 1.21 with one of the worst defense teams behind him. If I am the A’s I am keeping him unless a team offers something you can’t pass up. Not some teams 8th best prospect and some fillers.
Gray has had 4 excellent seasons and one where he played hurt. Try again. He won game 162 to get the A’s into the postseason on the final game by shutting out Texas. He’s elite sometimes. Brinson+ one or two others for Gray is fair for both sides. Also going from the AL to the NL would definitely turn Gray into a beast, like Sogard and Vogt have done.
You forget that upon moving to the NL Gray will feast upon the inferior competition
Good point! The White Sox were hoping that Corey Ray would have fallen to them with their #10 overall pick in the 2016 June draft. The Brewers snatched him at #5 so the White Sox had to “settle” for slugging catcher Zack Collins instead.
Gray is going through arb so can potentially be more expensive. Quintana has also had a better career than Gray so not sure why you think Gray is a better fit.
Gray has been a really good pitcher, but I also don’t get all the love. I find it pretty hilarious that people who say Quintana is “just ok” or “average” go ahead and happily say that Gray is an ace. Outside of his small rookie year sample, he has had one excellent year where he out pitched his FIP by 3/4 of a run (generally not sustainable), and he’s only pitched over 200 innings twice in his career.
Gray and Quintana are almost the exact same pitcher.
Gray: Career 3.49 ERA / 3.61 FIP
Quintana: Career 3.51 ERA / 3.53 FIP
Both guys bring back Brinson for sure.
and that’s without factoring money, durability, and performance. People are mad to say both of these won’t get huge hauls
Whenever a team (especially a small-market one) has a chance to pull the trigger on acquiring good, affordable starting pitching in time for a run at the postseason, it’s always a good time to remember not to overvalue your prospects. I’d love to see Milwaukee hold off the Cubs and make some noise in the playoffs, but they can’t have their cake and eat it, as well.
I don’t think Brinson will be offered for Quintana but Hader/Ray and a third lesser name like Phillips or Bubba Derby would be a fair offer. Sox would love to deal Quintana to a Cub rival.
The Sox literally could not care less about helping the Cubs’ rivals. They do, however, love Corey Ray, since he’s a local who came up through the Sox-sponsored RBI program.
Heck, I’m holding out hope that the Brewers being interested leads the Cubs to pull the trigger on a Jimenez/Cease+ deal.
Yeah, I can see not wanting to trade Sale to the Cubs, but if they make the best offer for Quintana why not?
Trust me there is dear among Sox brass that they are losing a generation of young fans to the Cubs. They’d love to see them derailed.
I’m not surprised they have that feeling. They lost a sizable majority of the previous four generations of fans to the Cubs.
They trade for another starter they may as well trade hader. It’s obvious they don’t see him as a starter imo
I guess the White Sox didn’t see Chris Sale as a stater back in 2011 either.
PDX Brewer fan here too.
They actually do see Hader as a future starter. That’s why they’re committed to limiting his innings this year. He’s not going anywhere.
If that’s the case then why trade for an average starter then? Hader, Woodruff, Ortiz and Burnes are future starters in the league. Trading for gray or Quintana will only block those 4 when they’re ready. The Brewers shouldn’t mortgage their future by trading for average starters, miller park isn’t known as a pitcher friendly park
The Mets thought they had tons of young pitching. So did the Mariners a few years ago. Stuff happens. Acquiring Quintana or Gray wouldn’t block anyone. The Brewers are already thinking of Ortiz as a reliever and Woodruff has been hurt. You can never have too much pitching.
Lol q or Gray would be your #1 right out of the gate upon a trade.
The entire Brewer staff is average starters. Q and Gray would slot into #1. Nelson give me a break what’s his career era, Garza? none of these would make a number 3 on a really good team. The central is just so bad
Average. Haha. You’re funny.
Faceass the Brewers aren’t going to give up the main two gems of our minor league system
If they don’t give up one of them then they won’t get Q or Gray simple is that it’s a choice.
LOL Milwaukee them brewers arent going no place and they want to add pitching? I cant understand that. They have been running lucky so far this season but it will not last.
which is why it makes sense to add young controllable pitchers to upgrade their rotation as opposed to pure rentals such as Darvish.
I agree don’t trade any young pitchers, keep them and develop them
better to be “lucky” and win than be called the “best” team and have to invent reasons to explain why you keep losing
Or have Ken Rosenthal invent reasons to explain why you keep losing.
The Brewers offense is good enough to make the playoffs. Their starting pitching is what has been producing at a clip that isn’t sustainable. All the more reason to add a young starter with years of control to help balance things out. Not to mention the Brewers have very little in committed salary. They would be able to offer a guy like Gray a long term deal
I go to Milwaukee for games and have felt bad for your fans. The place gets over run with us Cub guys and the Brew Crew lose.
So best of luck to you! May the best team win. Unless it’s the Cardinals.
How was that game yesterday?
Lol
That game yesterday was great. We got to see Jon Jay trot out his Little League fastball and his curve ball which wouldn’t be ticketed for speeding on most roads.
Hey hey hey give Jon jay some credit he wasn’t throwing any fastballs the radar gun was clearly clocking him throwing a nasty low 60s change up
1 game, but great point
Running lucky? If this was April, I’d agree but let me remind you that we are at the All Star break. Our front office did a good job adding pieces and the Cubs and Cardinals just aren’t very good anymore. We’re the Brewers lucky yesterday when they smashed the Cubs? Exactly
Lucky? They have led in 75 of the 89 games. Number 2 farm system in baseball. And they are lucky. Would lead or be in second in every division except the NL West. Ok
I don’t think they’d be leading in any other division in baseball other than the NLC this year.
They would be leading the AL Central.
Who has them ranked as the number 2 system in baseball?
Baseball America lol
You do realize that their top guys in their system have really struggled this year outside of Brinson.
2. Ray- .684 OPS 32% K rate
3. Hader- 5.37 ERA over 7 FIP in 52 AAA innings with over 5 BB/9. 10 BB in 12 IP in the majors.
4. Ortiz- Is 22 about to be 23 and will only pitch over 100 innings for the first time in his career. 4.30 FIP
5. Diaz- .720 OPS for a supposedly power hitting SS
Brett Phillips is having a very good season at AAA though.
Luck doesn’t win you 47 games through the All-Star Break. Luck gets you first place in April and May, not July.
Of course it does and can through July.
fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings
Their pace is for 82 wins. If they intend to secure a playoff slot this year, they will need more and can only ride offensive surges for so long.
The Cubs and cards aren’t bad enough to keep playing so badly the rest of the year.
The Brewers farm is stacked. a package could easily be headlined by Isan Diaz or Mauricio Dubon (since Arcia is going nowhere they will both fight to beat out Villar at 2nd).
After that we have a ton of Outfield depth. Brinson and Ray are not being traded but Cordell, Phillips, and Clark are intriguing names that could be moved.
not much in terms of pitching to offer. my guess is Hader is off limits as well as Woodruff, Ortiz, and Burnes due to lack of young pitching.
package could start with: Diaz/Dubon and Phillips/Cordell/Clark and then add some younger pieces… the farm is very deep.
Without trading your best prospects your not getting a good starter. I read fans always saying they are willing to trade their 10th best prospect but it doesn’t work that way. You must trade quality for quality. Both Gray and Quintana are not 1/2 year starters that become free agents. Both have 2 years left after this year. That means they don’t need to be traded unless the trading teams over pays for their service.
He just said they would trade some of their best prospects. 9 players in top 100 prospects. Loaded. Header is off limits. But Bronson can be had. Phillips too. Dubon is in futures game along with Ray. Lots their.
He said “Brinson and Ray are not being traded… Hader is off limits as well as Woodruff, Ortiz, and Burnes” (as well as Arcia). I don’t know what you were reading.
9? Try 5. According to MLB, Baseball America, and Baseball Prospectus.
Quitana has three years of control after this year.
I agree, baseball isn’t the same anymore. In the past teams would take quantity of quality. Now sellers want both. Teams who are sellers know that at some point before the trade deadline there will be a team desperate enough for their player(s) that a buyer will give up WAY too much. Look at what the Cubs gave up last year for a rental closer (the #2 prospect in all of baseball, another top 10 team prospect and a Major League RP), or what Cleveland gave up for Andrew Miller (their best hitting prospect and best pitching prospect, plus two more prospects), or what Texas gave up last year for Lucroy (their best prospect and another organizational top 5 piece, and another prospect). It will take either Hader or Brison (plus another top 6 or 7 organization prospect and probably a PTBNL) in the deal to get done, if Milwaukee wants a young controllable arm. I’m not saying Gray or Quintana warrant those players, but if Milwaukee won’t give the A’s or Sox either of those guys another team will give them someone comparable.
To be fair, Torres wasn’t the #2 prospect in baseball when that trade was made.
No but he was the Cubs no. 1 prospect and a top 10 prospect in all of baseball at the time of the deal.
Regardless, it was still an overpay. I know they won the WS and without Chapman, who knows what would have happened, but it was a huge price for a rental closer.
Exactly.
Nobody wants your bottom filler.
The Red Sox had to get rid of elite to get elite. Same with the Nationals.
It’s always going to be that way. If it’s not painful to trade away a guy, then it’s likely not a realistic trade offer
Well in fairness, neither Quintana nor Gray are Chris Sale. They are not elite. They are just a notch or two below elite, but not elite.
Plus you calling Adam Eaton “elite” kind of ruins your credibility as well.
Also in all fairness, Woodruff and Phillips are not Moncada and Kopech.
Neither is Bronson and Ray not Moncada and Kopech I’m saying.
Brinson damn spell check.
No way on Diaz. He’s the Brewers 2nd basemen of the future. He’s off limits as is Erceg and Brinson. Trent Clark, Corey Ray or Phillips and even the 1st basemen cooper at AAA. Jake Gatewood would be another available to trade
Who do you consider to be the Brewers top 3 prospects and their top 10?
Okay. So you want Gray or JQ?
Gonna be 2 of those top 3 and another of those top 10
I think that may be a little high for Gray. He only has 2 years of control vs Q’s three. Top prospects are Brinson, Ray, and Hader. I doubt they give up two of those guys for Gray. If they do for Q, they probably wouldn’t get another top 10 guy.
Brinson, Hader, Ray, Ortiz and Erceg are the Brewers top 5 prospects.
Second baseman of the future are a whole lot easier to acquire than aces of the present. In other words, Diaz is a lot less valuable than a Quintana or Gray.
Don’t sweat it! Isan Diaz would hardly be a deal breaker in a trade for Jose Quintana. The White Sox don’t need your 2B of the future with Yoan Moncada ready to assume that role on the South Side of Chicago in the coming weeks.
The 26 year old first baseman who’s never showed any power outside of Colorado Springs? How generous of the Brewers!
And if Diaz is the second baseman of the future, does that mean Villar is free game?
Maybe you move him to short, which makes Arcia free game?
Or are Diaz, Arcia, Villar, and Dubon ALL the MIF of the future for Milwaukee????
You aren’t getting a borderline ace without giving up one of your top 2 prospects my man, that’s not how this game goes.
Trading for Quintana doesn’t make sense to me except for just this year. He’s just average with 3 more years on his contract plus the Brewers have their top 3 pitching prospects will be ready for the rotation at some point next year. Yet having him in your rotation blocks them
Lol at “just average”. I agree, he started out poorly this season but he’s been good ever since he has come up. And signed cheap over next 3 seasons.
How do you define good as far as Quintana….50-54 career with a career 3.51 ERA….and I know here comes all the comments on defining a pitcher with metrics other than won/loss ad ERA….but if you want to see good, take a look at Sales’s marks over the same period of time, with the same team behind him and you’ll understand the definition of not just good but very good.
You White Sox fans have been crowing over this guy for months and the plain facts are
Quintana’s calling card is his 200 innings per year and the fact that compared to today’s economics, he’s considered cheap and controllable for the next 3 years.
Saw him pitch against the Yanks recently and while he was solid as far as performance, nothing very special. He didn’t win as much as the yanks lost.
He’s a middle of the rotation starter for good teams and a top for the not so good teams….
6.1 innings of 2 hit ball with 4 walks and 6 K’s against a top 3 offensive team is just “solid” these days? Good to know.
You lost me when you cited his record. You receive a down vote for that. Dude has gotten the least run support since he’s entered the league….try again this time without citing his record.
That’s like saying Ben Sheets wasn’t an Ace in his day. The teams behind him gave no run support, they quite honestly sucked.
First of all Sale is elite one of the top 3 starters in baseball. I don’t think any White Sox fans are saying that Q is Sale but he is very good he profiles as a low 1 high 2 with tons of control and that is very valuable. Someone is going to make a trade for Q and it is going to cost them a ton. You aren’t going to get without an elite prospect as part of the package.
Did you not learn from your last post littered with these ridiculous claims about Quintana based on ancient evaluation methodology, when I humiliated you with actual facts completely discrediting everything about your post? Or did you just not undertstand any of the points/latent sarcasm? I hope you are trolling and if not I hope you are not able to procreate.
I don’t have time to rewrite all the points I made a few weeks ago in response to your antics, plus they are lost on you — but here is an article written by a non sox-fan writer about most valuable trade assets in all of baseball — Jose Quintana is rated a number 28. si.com/mlb/2017/03/22/trade-value-player-rankings. So just stop with the nonsense. Anyone who has up with the way player evaluation is conducted post 1990 knows that Jose Quintana is an incredibly valuable asset. If the sox move him, it will be for a haul.
if anyone is blocking a prospect it wouldn’t be Quintana. Look at Peralta, Davies, and Garza and if you think they’re better players or more valuable players then I’m not sure what to tell you in regards to that.
Quintana has been an easy top 25 pitcher for the past 3 years and his contract is absurd for someone of that level.
4 win pitchers aren’t just average.
He’s a 25 mil or so value pitcher making half that. He’s a major pitcher to land
You guys are nuts….top 25 pitchers, at the mid to lower end of that spectrum, and that’s what he is, don’t make 25 million a year.
Jordan Zimmerman makes that much.
Do you ever actually support anything you write? Is this the actual rocky who got hit in the head way too many times?
Quintana last 4 seasons including this one according to fWAR
2014- 5.1
2015- 4.8
2016- 4.8
2017- 1.8
That puts him 8th in the MLB ahead of guys like Greinke, Bumgarner, Cueto, Archer, Strasburg, Kuechel and deGrom.
If you think he’s average, then you’re an old school thinker who needs to change his views to a new world of thinking that shows value of guys in more than one way over just record and ERA.
This makes a lot of sense. Both are young, controllable starters and you can’t count on your prospects especially pitchers
And the Brewers seem to have a lot of OF depth prospect-wise to start a package.
Brewers can make a deal without making a major dent in their system.
No they can’t. Gray or Q are going to require a haul starting with Brinson. Fact.
I meant it in the sense that they can deal Brinson, and then 2-3 lesser guys and still not have it effect them that bad since they have young talent producing at the MLB level (especially in the OF). I agree with what you’re saying.
The talks about who’s the Brewers would part with is hilarious. If you think that Brinson, Hader, Diaz, Corey Ray, Ortiz, hell, don’t expect any of the top guys to get moved. Sonny Gray is a decent pitcher but not worthy of any of those guys. Maybe Dubon and a few other lower level prospects, but they aren’t going to jeopardize the future that they’ve built for, for a one year push.
Gray has 2 more years left after this year so he is not a 1/2 year pick up. Maybe the A’s can trade you Hahn for 1 of your lower prospects.
You are out of your mind if you think Gray isn’t worth Brinson. Gray turns the Brewers into a legit force this year and gives them a better shot at a title. Brinson isn’t MLB ready yet. You really need to understand how FO’s work, they don’t care about winning 5 years from now if they are currently contending.
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You are hilarious I have seen some over protection of prospects before but you are taking the cake. You are going to trade at least one of your top 2 and and one of your next 3 plus a another top 10 for either of these guys. Either one of these guys would instantly be the Brewers #1.
They don’t have enough to get drew smyly let alone sonny Gray or jose quintana
“They don’t have enough”. They have enough top prospects to land both if they truly wanted to. Do some research on the Brewers farms system before spouting off
All depends on how many of their guys they’re labeling “untouchable.” I don’t like that term because it’s so relative; if the Angels offered Trout, nobody in baseball would be untouchable. That aside, if Brinson, Hader, Ray, and others in the top 10 are available, yeah, they could land both. As a White Sox fan, I like the idea of Brinson on the South side. The Sox could use another OF prospect.
I obviously don’t know this but I don’t think the Brewers would trade Brinson, I think Corey Ray would be the one they would move for an impact pitcher.
A man can dream. If they part with Ray, the other pieces would naturally have to be better. Of course, I’m hoping for a bidding war.
For the record my comment was directed to the absurdity of Wrek’s belief they don’t have enough to offer. They could land both arms with the prospects you mentioned above but to do that would completely deplete the farm system. Do you think Corey Ray as the centerpiece of a package could get it done?
Yes he could easily be the centerpiece of any major trade for a front line pitcher. Keith Law had him as the best player in the draft last year, as did many others. Granted he’s a little farther behind than a Brinson and maybe it would take a little extra bump in other prospects to get it done but teams would be crazy to pass on him as a centerpiece.
No on Ray. Brewers do have the players to get a good starter but Ray is in A ball. Very rare does a team package a quality player around a A ball player. To much could happen between now and 2 to 3 years from now.
For Quintana, probably not. For Gray, maybe, but it would take one of Diaz, Ortiz, or Woodruff, plus an additional second-tier prospect and a lottery ticket. Ray should be a quality major-leaguer, but he’d have to be one of two main pieces for them to consider it.
Well thats because it rarely happens that the team who got arguably the best player in the draft is a buyer the very next year.
Doubtful they move Diaz, or at least I’m hoping they don’t move him. I was looking at the prospect list and was thinking maybe Ray, Lucas Erceg, a mid level prospect, plus a lottery ticket.
Awful troll attempt
Irrelevant, the Brewers don’t have the team to make it through the NLDS
Baseball playoffs are a crap-shoot. Just need to be hot at the right time.
This has been my thought while following this years team. They may be good enough to win the division this year but are they good enough to beat any of the NL West teams in a 5 game series to advance? If anything add a few bullpen pieces this year.
The White Sox in 2005 were a good team, but they turned it on in the playoffs and steamrolled to the title on the strength of some phenomenal starting pitching. As alex said, it’s all about being hot when it matters.
99 wins and the best era in the league. Yeah they were good
Yes, anyone could beat the Giants in a 5 game series. Unfortunately.
It would be awesome to have a Jesus and a Quintana on the team this year. I can see The Dude in the stands already.
What about Keon Broxton? Deal him and Dubon and/or Diaz and we should be able to land Sonny Gray. Brinson steps into Broxton’s spot and we don’t miss a beat. And Broxton, Dubon and Diaz all fit into Oakland’s small salary situation. I wouldn’t be adverse to dealing Villar also. We have fillins for for him and Broxton, they have great value, they are established major leaguers, and we don’t gut the minor league system much at all.
“And we don’t gut the minor league system much at all.” Well, there’s the problem. The A’s aren’t looking to compete right now. If you want to get better short-term, it requires long-term sacrifices and vice versa. It’s rare that a rebuilding team trades for MLB players because that only helps them win a few and worsens their draft slot. If you want Gray, it will require good prospects.
Finally someone gets it. Upvoted.
Who hangs up first?
Oakland gets: LHP Josh Hader (No.2)
RHP a Brandon Woodruff (No.8)
3B Chad Mcclanahan (No.30)
Brewers gets: RHP Sonny Gray
No. Are prospects number ranked in system… you think it’s enough to get gray. Even tho he is young, and improving he is still injury prone.
I think Oakland hangs up first, but they’d at least listen and try to move up from #8 to #6 or better.
brewers. no way sterns trades hader also mcclanahan is hitting like 200 in rookie ball no one wants him
A’s hang up. A’s do not need a 3B prospect with Chapman who will be a gold glove winner in the future. Woodruff doesn’t look like a top prospect. Hader should be great but the trade does nothing for the A’s your just trading a solid starter for a pitching prospect. The A’s lack OF depth and a real CF so that would be at the top of their shopping list. Also a trade between the 2 teams probably would include Lowrie who could be the Brewers starting 2B. The A’s also have relief pitcher available too. So if the teams do make a trade its probably will be for a big package deal around Brinson with the Brewers getting Gray, Lowrie, and Madsen.
That I could see happening; with at least 3 more prospects going to Oakland.
The Brewers wouldn’t, and shouldn’t, have any interest in Lowrie.
Billy Beane has absolutely told them “Brinson or GTFO”. Bet on it.
A’s hang up
Brewers hang up. Two top pitching prospects for a guy with some injury concerns.
Oakland hangs up if Brinson isn’t in the deal. They need OFs, not pitchers.
Take Broxton, Woodruff and Trent Clark former 1st round pick for gray straight up
They can get a better haul from the Cubs or Astros. Not worth it. Add in Ray and youre getting somewhere.
Reason is they are 2 of top 3 pitching prospects in there system.
If the Brewers traded Villar I’d be sooooo happy. How about Villar, Corey Ray, and someone in the 10-15 range of Brewers Prospects for Gray?
A’s have absolutely no use for Villar…they’re looking for a stud CF and pitching
Brinson, Ray and Phillips for Gray gets done for sure.
Phillips, Dubon, Clark and Harrison for Grey. phillips dubon and clark are all top 150 prospects and clark/ Harrison still have very high ceilings
Don’t think there’s a chance in hell of that happening. Athletics aren’t looking for top 150 prospects, more like a top 50 and then pieces to complete the deal. The White Sox’ price is likely to be even higher since Quintana has one more year of control.
Ya i’m a Brewers fan and thats a terrible deal for Oakland. Good prospects but other teams would beat that in a second for Gray..
I’m hoping the Brewers go for someone like Happ of the Bluejays before Quintana, Gray.
As a Brewers fan, I would gladly give up Hader, Diaz/Clark and Cordell/Dubon to get Quintana. Even if he fails to become a bonafide ace he gives us a fairly cheap #2 to bolster our rotation over the next 3 1/2 years.
I don’t see any way a Quintana trade gets done without one of Brinson/Ray.
I agree, and in my opinion Brewers would move Ray before Brinson.
I’d imagine they would absolutely prefer to move Ray over Brinson. The only potential problem is that they’d have to give up more in terms of secondary pieces.
How about Brinson, Diaz and a lottery ticket type of PTBNL?
I would agree, but Ray is no slouch. I mean he was arguably the best player in the draft last year. Law had him #1.
If I’m the Sox, I’d consider that.
Ray is no slouch, that is correct. But he’s much further away from the bigs than Brinson, and he hasn’t done much of anything yet in his extremely young career. There’s a pretty big value difference between the 2 in my opinion.
Brewers want Gray? Entice A’s big time. Billy would likely ask for more than just Bronson/Ray. Gray is a proven commodity. Rookies are still Rookies…
Difference between asking for and getting. Second, do you mean more than either Brinson or Ray or more than both of them? If the former, nobody’s arguing that it would take more than just one prospect to pry away either pitcher. If the latter, the A’s should jump on a deal for both those guys. They’ll lose Gray for nothing in two years if they don’t.
There is a huge difference in asking for and getting, but if the Brewers won’t give them what they want there will always be someone who is willing to. I could see the Cubs giving up Jimenez or Almora, Cease, and a flyer prospect for Gray. Maybe the Nats giving up 2 of their top 5 guys in a deal for Gray. A lesser candidate would be the Cardinals (In my opinion) but even they might be willing to give up one of their Top 3 and two other of their top 10 for Gray. If the Brewers don’t pay what Billy is asking someone will. Gray isn’t just a rental so he will command more than a lot of teams are willing to give up. Quintana, Gray and Archer have all been rumored to be available and all will most certainly require a team to give up 2 of their top 5 and another piece or two. I don’t like the amount given up for players now, but it is the way it goes now.
Eloy, Almora, Cease and La Stella for Gray gets a yes from Beane & crew.
There is a trade n of talk about whether Gray or Q is an ace of just average. The bottom line is that even if nothing were perceived as a no. 3 there is huge value for control. Case and point Drew Pomeranz getting traded for Anderson Espinosa. Quality but not necessarily quantity. Compare that to sale where it took both Quality and quantity. I’d say it’ll take 2 players in their top ten plus some lower level guys. If the As wanted mlb ready they could also do try that but it’s not about having the “best” offer, just the one that is better than the other offers. Assuming both are traded.
I would assume the asking price would be at least one of Brinson/Phillips/Ray and at least one of Hader/Woodruff/Ortiz, plus a couple of good, lower level prospects.
There’s no starting pitcher rumored to be available the Brewers should trade Brinson or Hader for. None of the starting pitchers rumored to be available are worth Ray or Ortiz, unless there is very little else included in the trade. If a team wants to build around a Phillips/Woodruff package, that’s something that can be worked worth.
corey ray would have to headline a deal for Q. he’s not the best prospect but he’s local. the other pieces would have to be another established prospect and 2 lottery tickets (basically a discount chris sale trade package). i don’t follow the brewers farm system enough to really gauge what that trade package would look like.
Oh look everybody, the Cubs are back.
The Cubs are 3 arms short of making the playoffs. There are only a number of quality arms on the market (why else would anyone be connected with Verlander). While the Brewers may not need an arm, they may need to block the cubs from getting an arm or two or three. So while many of you are looking at this as an upgrade, while it is, there may also be a defensive strategy to this.
To be fair about Verlander, I can see where the love is coming from. He hasn’t been great this year but he was really good last year and his velocity hasn’t dipped at all. Moving to the national league dealing with pitchers in a line up instead of a DH would help for sure. If Detroit adds money with a deal, I can see a few teams lining up to talk about him.
The cubs could potentially add Verlander for mostly Cash (due to age, performance and length/cost of contact) and then add Gray or Quintana for prospects. That’s solves their issue with the Arietta and Lackey expiring contacts as well. That’s a quickly changing landscape of which Milwaukee might have something to say about.
Brewers fans, now’s a really good time to remember not to overvalue your team’s prospects. To hold off the Cubs and make a deep postseason run, I think everyone here agrees that the starting pitching on that team needs to be upgraded. Players that might be good down the road do not normally trump proven commodities, especially cost-controlled ones like Quintana or Gray. I’d love to see a small-market team like Milwaukee make some noise in the playoffs, but that’s not happening this year because of Brinson, Ray or Hader. Neither of Quintana or Gray are CC Sabathia circa 2008, but they don’t need to be because of the Crew’s offense.
There’s a difference between overvaluing prospects and giving away the future.
Last year the Cubs upgraded their team with a rental in Chapman by giving up one of the top prospects in the game in Torres, and we know how their season turned out. I doubt Theo Epstein or anyone in that org or fanbase cares if they gave up their future. The Brewers got Sabathia in ’08 for a really good prospect in LaPorta, plus 3 others. No way they were resigning CC Sabathia in his free agent year. Try not to worry about giving up the future when the present is so bright.
The Cubs also can just throw money at any problems that develop in the future from trading their top guys. The Brewers can’t.
Danny37, you get it, Upvote for you.
Contending team front offices don’t care about winning in the future and routinely give up top 5 prospects in exchange for pieces to win now. Why do so many prospect hounds overlook this fact?
Don’t really know much about the Brewers but just wanted to say I enjoyed your comment…very solid and makes lots of sense.
The Brewers are not good enough to trade any of Brinson, hader, woodruff, Diaz etc…This season is a pleasant surprise but that doesn’t mean we are one starting pitcher away from a contender. We have internal arms that can start. Hader, woodruff, blazek, jungmann etc…we are better off trading a lower prospect or two for an uncontrollable arm just to help out this season.
Wow an actual rational post about why the brewers should not trade for one of these pitchers. If you feel the brewers are not one pitcher away, and the case can be made that they are not, then it makes logical sense to not make the deal. This is a way better argument than outlandish claims that a consistently 4-5 war pitcher is just average and the brewers should not give up a prospect, where if everything turns out perfectly, ends up being what Quintana is now. well done sir.
they don’t need pitching… davies is a staff ace, as evidenced yesterday in his performance. they’ll be fine
I keep forgetting that teams use a 1-man rotation in the playoffs. Silly me.
Well played, sir.
Davies has a 5.01 FIP he’s trash.
I hope that’s sarcasm, but sometimes it gets hard to tell on this site.
From me, yes. It’s ridiculous to me to think they can compete in the playoffs with one good pitcher and a bunch of shaky ones. The Dodgers, Astros, and Red Sox I’d rank as clearly better. They may win the division, but I don’t see them going anywhere without an upgrade on their rotation (or some ridiculous hot streak that lasts a whole month).
No, not from you. That was clearly sarcasm. I’m more concerned with the guy calling Zach Davies a staff ace.
Ahhh, did you miss the series where the Brew Crew took two of three from Boston? I wouldn’t call Anderson or Nelson shaky. Nelson is looking like the staff ace this year. Their bullpen is coming around since they’ve gutted guys who aren’t producing. I’d love to have Quintana but looking what Boston gave for Sale, I’d say the price is too high. The Brewers can’t afford to lose too many high ranking prospects. Attanasio said he has given permission to look but also said not to give up on the long term plan. To me that says don’t give up on the farm. I see a stop gap for the year like Happ as a better fit.
Nelson is lowkey having a breakout year. He finally managed to get the walks down! Good for him, he’s not elite but a guy who can definitely take a spot in a playoff rotation. Davies would probably get DFA’d if the Brewers go get Sonny or Q.
Brinson/Hader is a better package than the Brewers gave up for two years of Greinke back in 2011 (Cain/Odorizzi). And that’s what people think they will give up for Gray or Quintana?
How do you know how good Brinson and Hader will be? They could be HOFers or flame out; nobody knows. Second, I don’t think many people believe the Sox or A’s will get both of those guys. Most of us are talking one of them, another top 10 prospect, and some filler.
As prospects at the time of the trade, Cain and Odorizzi weren’t as highly regarded as Brinson and Hader are now. And nobody should believe the Sox or A’s will get EITHER of them.
According to Baseball America, Escobar was ranked #12 going into 2010 (off the list in 2011 because he played all season in the bigs) and Odorizzi was ranked #69 going into 2011, Cain wasn’t ranked going into 2010, but he raked in the upper minors with an .800+ OPS and got called up to play 43 games in the majors while slashing an extremely solid .306/.348/.415.
In Baseball America’s latest update (today), Brinson is ranked #16 and Vader is ranked #61.
So technically speaking, at the time of the trade, no, I guess they weren’t as highly regarded. But Escobar was more highly regarded than Brinson the previous year before being called up, Cain was already hitting very well in the majors despite never being a highly regarded prospect, and Odorizzi was regarded almost identically to Hadar at the time of the trade.
So you’re saying the package for two and a half years of Gray (or three and a half of Quintana) should be more than the package for two years of Greinke.
Right.
No, what I’m saying is that the players the Brewers traded for Greinke were as highly regarded at the time as Brinson/Hader currently are.
And to answer your new question more specifically – yes, I do think that two and a half years of Gray or three and a half of Quintana should cost every bit as much as two years of the Greinke that Kansas City traded, if not more. The Greinke that pitched for MIL and LAD was a significantly better pitcher than the one that pitched for KC.
That would mean that Gray or Quintana would have to be significantly better pitchers for Milwaukee than they are for Oakland and Chicago. And you haven’t presented anything to show that they are capable of pitching better than they are.
When a pitcher has run support they usually loosen up and pitch much better. The Brewers have significantly better run support and defense. It can’t hurt. Personally, I think Happ has a higher chance of coming to the Brewers as we have a history with Toronto as does our GM and we wouldn’t have to give up as much, I think.
How did the Angels know how good Mike Trout was going to be when he was coming up? He could have just flamed out (you know, prospects). Probably should have traded him for a couple years of a controllable pitcher.
The Brewers have history to consider…would they have been better off with Odorizzi, Cain and Escobar or 2 years of Greinke?
Grienke wasn’t 3 years away from free agency. As reference, if Chris Sale was a year away from free agency, the White Sox wouldn’t have gotten the haul they did for him. Long-term affordability as well as team-friendly contracts do factor into what a team will ask for their players. If a team like Milwaukee doesn’t want to cough up top prospects for said players, so be it. It’s a gamble, but one that teams historically will make to upgrade their team for a playoff run.
Your right. Greinke was only TWO years away from free agency. The same as Gray will be after this season. I guess that extra half-season from Gray makes all the difference. Let’s just not look at Greinke being head and shoulders better than Gray.
“Let’s just not look at Greinke being head and shoulders better than Gray.”
Uhhhh, no… Greinke only had 1 excellent year in Kansas City. Outside of that, he was not even close to “head and shoulders better than Gray.” Heck, even including that year his numbers in KC were arguably worse than Gray’s numbers have been in Oakland. He put up a 3.82 ERA and 3.59 FIP with a 1.264 WHIP, 7.6 K/9 and 2.3 BB/9. Gray has put up a 3.49 ERA and 3.61 FIP with a 1.204 WHIP, 7.7 K/9 and 2.7 BB/9.
And please don’t try to say they traded for Greinke at peak value. His 1 excellent year was in 2009. In 2010, he was much worse. His ERA went up 2 full runs (4.17), his FIP went up a full run (3.34), his WHIP went back up 0.2 points (1.245), and his K’s/9 dropped back down 2 K’s (7.4).
It’s amazing how one great year can change fan’s opinions on certain players.
Wow, those Gray stats make me think he’s the second coming of Koufax.
It’s amazing how several okay years can change fan’s opinions on certain players.
Or funny how players in AAA at one of the best hitting parks in the minors make all of the prospects the next great all stars on 1 farm team. Face it no Brinson no Gray. Why would a team trade a quality starter for a few fringe prospects?
You can take those stats however you want
Exactly. Brinson is coming to Oakland if this trade happens. It’s just facts.
Brinson, Ray and Phillips for Gray gets done, otherwise the A’s can just keep Gray and have an awesome rotation next year – Gray, Graveman, Manaea, Blackburn then one of Cotton, Hahn, Triggs, Puk, Gossett, Mengden, Jefferies, plus whatever they get in trades or free agency. A’s are LOADED with pitching.
Than the trade isn’t happening. There is ZERO chance you get two of Brinson/Ray/Phillips, much less all three. And there is very little chance you get Brinson.
Greinke’s one year was worth nearly as much as Grays 3 best years, not to mention that FIP you stated as having dropped so much, would be Grays 2nd best year, trailing only his rookie year where he didn’t pitch the full season in the majors. if you think Gray is in the same league as Greinke was when he got traded, you’re crazy.
missing out on a key component in that trade Betancourt lol
Pitcher A: 4.00 ERA, 1.21 WHIP, two more arbitration years (probably $24-30 million total)
Pitcher B: 4.45 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, signed for thee more years ($30 million total)
Pitcher C: 3.98 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, signed for one more year ($5 million total)
If pitcher A or B is worthy of two top-50 prospects, plus more, basically because they have “cheap, team controllable seasons remaining” not because they’re pitching lights out, wouldn’t pitcher C be worthy of at least one top-50 prospect? But I doubt teams are lining up to offer a top-50 prospect for Matt Garza.
Just because Gray and Quintana are controllable doesn’t mean they Brewers should give up a big package for them.
Yes it does, and if you’re using ERA and not FIP you are saying that the unbelievably horrible defense the A’s management put behind Sonny is not to blame for his ERA?
Gray’s FIP this year is 3.59, Chase Anderson’s is 3.46. Do you want basically another Chase Anderson? I think you do.
Sure, I’ll take another Chase Anderson, but only if the trade package is similar.
That would mean Gray, Lowrie and a top-100 prospect for Villar and a nobody.
Lmao why would Oakland do that? When youre making up proposals try and make them make sense for both sides. A’s are loaded everywhere but OF and the Brewers are loaded with OF.
Pdxbrewcrew’s comment does make sense. You asked if he wanted another Chase Anderson, and you implied that he would. He agreed, but only if the package this time was similar to the one that landed Anderson the first time. That first trade was Anderson, Aaron Hill and Isan Diaz (i think) for Segura and a lesser prospect that slips my mind. So this time, it would be Gray (who would be Anderson), Lowrie (who. Would be Hill) and a top 100 prospect (who would be Diaz) for Villar (who would be Segura) and some lesser prospect. He wasn’t making a proposal up, he was basing it off the original one that landed Anderson in Milwaukee. Obviously, Segura > Villar and Lowrie > Hill, but his point was the value, not the specific players.
So you don’t look at their over all careers, just this year! So who would want Corey ray who is batting a solid .237 at single A. And Hader can be had for a box of balls since he is tearing up triple A with a 5.37 ERA. Oh and can I have Diaz , he seems to be tearing up in single A+ ball, .229 hitting middle infielders are hard to find.
So you just look at this years stats, not their over all careers. Good argument!
This is just awful… comparing Garza to Quintana and gray — cherry picking one stat in a small sample –3 months of era … really rich stuff.. if this is real you should not be allowed to ever again access the internet
Yes this has to be one of the poorest arguments I have seen. You are seriously comparing Garda to Q and Gray and here is the rich part you are going off of 3 months. Yup that is what every GM is saying in there arguments cmon man be better than that.
Brinson for Gray straight up lets goooo
David Sterns has been a Godsend for Milwaukee. Most of the trades/pick ups have been incredible undoubtedly so. There’s no reason to think he’s going to start getting stupid and make ridiculous trades/offers. Whatever he/they choose to do, I trust their judgment until proven otherwise.
Gray and Doolittle for Brinson among others…
Oakland needs Outfielders and a bullpen headlined by Knebel and a healthy Doolittle would be pretty scary for opposing teams
Yeah that works, Brinson, Ray & Phillips for Gray and Doolittle sounds fair for both sides. Braun, Broxton and Santana is a terrific long term OF, Milwaukee can afford to deal from their depth.
I’d love to see the Brewers trade for one of those two.
One of those guys going to an unexpected buyer raisies the likelihood and price of a Gerrit Cole trade.
Bottom line. Sonny Gray is not a good enough pitcher to give up a package that includes Brinson or Hader. Jose Quintana is not a good enough pitcher to give up a package that includes Brinson or Hader. Not saying they aren’t good pitchers, just that they aren’t good enough. If the A’s or White Sox want to talk about others, the Brewers should listen. But if it takes Brinson or Hader, the Brewers should just keep walking.
No Brinson A’s should walk away. They don’t need more fringe prospects they do need a real CF. How about Hahn for 1 of your fringe prospects now that is fair.
Then let them walk. The Brewers don’t HAVE to trade for Gray.
Now you get it. A’s don’t need to make a trade and Brewers might pass on trades because the playoffs are not a sure thing. I get it that Brewer fans do not want to trade their best prospects but if the GM doesn’t want to than just expect less valuable starters coming to the Brewers. If the Brewers just want a 5th starter for innings then they can trade one of their lesser prospects and get him.
That’s one person’s opinion. I could just as easily say that Hader is not a good enough prospect to headline a Gray or Quintana trade…
You get it, too. If Hader is so untouchable, how come he was brought up and put in the bullpen when the team has starting pitching issues?
Because he’s such a YOUNG prospect they want to limit his innings this season.
Bottom line: you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about and are vastly underrating Gray and Quintana and overrating prospects. Your teams FO disagrees with you. Learn how deadline trades work before coming in here and talking like you know what the “bottom line” is.
And you are vastly OVERrating Gray and Quintana. I DO understand how deadline trades work. Someone very well might completely overpay for Gray or Quintana. But that doesn’t mean the Brewers should overpay, and including Brinson or Hader would be overpaying. I’m not saying the Brewers couldn’t use Gray or Quintana, or they aren’t good pitchers. But at some point, the cost exceeds the return. And the cost of including Brinson or Hader exceeds the return.
If the deal for Quintana were to be Ray, Woodruff and and a couple decent prospects (even two guys off the top-30 lists) from the High-A team (Carolina is loaded for the Brewers), that’s a trade I WOULD make.
If that’s not good enough, the Brewers can always just trade those two A ball prospects for a rental like Marco Estrada and work on Chris Archer in the off-season.
There is a big difference in trading a soon to be free agent and a player that has a few years left. If either pitcher was a free agent at the end of the year the Brewers has the advantage of what to offer but when a pitcher has a few years left its the selling team with the advantage because they can wait for the perfect deal.
You are vastly overrating your prospects son.
Even still, Oakland got 3 top 100 prospects including a top 60 one for 2 rentals (Reddick&Hill) at the last deadline. Thats the base of deadline trades that pdxbrewcrew refuses to use as the bar, but absolutely is where people should be looking at.
And if 2 rentals gets you 3 top 100 prospects a cost controlled young star is going to demand more. Its insane how people come in these threads with absolutely no clue about what the markets are.
How would you respond if header turns into a pitcher averaging 4+ war every year for five years. The answer is you would be beyond excited as 1 it is not likely given risk associated with pitching prospects and 2 that makes him the best pitcher the brewers have had in decades. Quintana is that so it’s completely rationale to consider hader untouchable when talking about the player you would get in return. This overvaluing of hometeam prospects is getting out of control. can’t even read message boards anymore.
This whole thing cracks me up. Every team is guilty of prospect hugging. Q is a proven 4 to 5 war pitcher who is controlled for 3 more years cmon man someone is going to pay big for that guy if the Brewers want Q then they can’t have any untouchables.
Sonny Gray is very similar but I would argue lesser of a pitcher then Q. I think he could be had for a smaller package then Q. Once again though it will cost a lot to get a cost controlled pitcher like those two. If neither team gets what they want they can hold on to them until the offseason. There is no rush and the White Sox and A’s are in the driver seat.
Gray and Quintana are basically the same pitcher, but Gray is 1 year younger. Extremely similar peripheral stats, with Gray’s ERA this year being blown out by the leagues worst defense by miles and miles behind him – although notice how Gray suddenly has gotten better now Chapman, Barreto and Maxwell are on the team? Defense is so important to a pitchers ERA. Gray and Chase Anderson have very similar FIPs yet Chase’s ERA is over half a run lower than his FIP and Gray’s is half a run higher.
Similar but Q has never been hurt and is a lefty Q is worth more 200 innings every year and 3.3 era
Plus Q has an extra year of control I just think he is a little more valuable then Gray and would demand the better package.
I could see that, but I think both might get similar ones due to Grays excellent postseason and big game records, which is kind of asinine but definitely something front offices value.
Cool. Give up their future to get knocked out of the playoffs immediately.
If you think like that you’ll never win anything – Cubs literally traded a top 10 prospect in Torres for a reliever. Pretty sure you don’t care about Gleyber Torres when you see that WS Trophy. Never understood this mindset being that its the opposite of how MLB front offices operate.
I would do Ray, Cordell, Dubon, Broxton, Derby, and Wilkerson for Gray maybe even throw in Cooper
Damn, the A’s would take that deal in a second!
Yes, if you’re the A’s GM. Imagine how hard Stearns would laugh if presented that offer?
Although it would be a nice upgrade, neither of these guys are in their prime anymore, so I don’t see the Brewers unloading any of their prospects to land either of them. Now if they can get a pitcher like CC back in the day or Grienke in his prime years it makes sense to make a blockbuster trade and give the AL some Allstars for the next decade. That doesn’t mean they won’t add some pitching one way or another, it just won’t happen with these guys, the price is waaaay too high or they’d be gone already.
Not in their prime? When would be their prime years? Just curious.
16 yoa
let me get this straight, you’re talking about a 27 yo and a 28yo pitcher not being in their prime anymore? lol
If their in their prime why aren’t their numbers showing it? Pitchers have a different kind of shelf life, Gray was a hard thrower who has had lots of arm problem. It’s hard for those types of guys to be consistent esp into their 30s when their velocity drops. I think Quintana has more upside and he can actually stay healthy but I’m not all in on the guy. He’s struggled this year and the chi sox’s have been trying to dish him for over a year now so I’m guessing they want way too much. Yes we have plenty of solid prospects that many teams want, I’m just not completely sold on either of those guys.
Neither are in their 30s you goof. Either pitcher will slide in and be number 1 on Brewers pitching staff
Q cost 3 of Brewers top 7-8 prospects are Sox will hold him its that simple. Next year Cubs might not suck and this is Brewers chance. We will see soon enough.
Hey Brewers, remember who you got for a semi-broken Will Smith last year, and that was for a relief pitcher with control…you’re going to have to pay and pay dearly to get either one of these starting pitchers with control…
Thanks bro your input is really valued by the Brewers GM I hope he logs on here and scrolls far enough to see your advice so he knows what to do
I remember who they got for Carlos Gomez, Jonathan Lucroy and Tyler Thornburg.
Sacball, you are 100% correct. Brewer fans should also remember what haul they received when shipping off Thornburg to the Red Sox last year.
The more (suitors) the merrier (Rick Hahn)!
Perhaps Hahn could get the Brewers and Cubs into a bidding war for Jose Quintana. No doubt, his preference would be to send “Q” to the North Sider’s division rival.
Oh, heck yes…I’m wondering what it’d take for the Cubs to get Quintana from the White Sox. Jimenez AND Cease, to start?
Eloy and Cease with a low level lotto most likely is a done deal but, regardless of who trades for Q it will be for a lot or no deal will come to fruition
Cubs need pitching, don’t think they trade Cease.
Anxiously awaiting Cubs fans to enter:
“No way we give up Eloy OR Cease for anyone, let alone an average starter. Those guys are untouchable. We’ll send you DJ Wilson, Chesny Young, and a couple low level lottery tickets. Even THAT may be an overpay, but I think we’d probably do it.”
Trades don’t happen in a vacuum. CHI would not make that trade last year in most other years. Unless you have an idiot at the helm (Shellby Miller trade), i would expect to see either level deal happen for another few years.
228 Comments on the Brewers in 8 hours. It’s good to not suck again. Go Brewers!
Yeah but also tons of A’s, White Sox and Cubs fans – all 3 have lots of regulars on here
Right nevermind screw the Brewers
I trust Stearns to make a good deal and not give up the farm. He’s pretty much fleeced every GM he has made trades with.
So what teams are in the market for a starter?
Yankees
Red Sox
Astros
Dodgers
Brewers
Cubs
I leave anyone out? I know some say Braves, but I don’t see it.
Pretty much every contending team looks for SPs at the deadline, its like that every year
For the Brewers go for it and beat out the Cubs – talk about a crazy turn of events.
The more I see the Brewers play that offense is for real they could be a threat in the playoffs they are going to need some more pitching. The problem with prospect hoarding is that you can’t play them all and at some point, as your team gets better, you need to trade some to better your team. Young cost controlled starters are a real good way to go for this team.