The league has officially handed down suspensions arising out of yesterday’s fisticuffs between the Tigers and Yankees. Detroit star Miguel Cabrera received the stiffest discipline, with a seven-game ban owing to his “inciting the first bench-clearing incident and fighting.”
Cabrera isn’t the only one who’ll take some games of unpaid leave (pending appeal). Yankees catcher Gary Sanchez got four games for throwing punches in the melee — he was fortunate, perhaps, not to take a harsher punishment — while fellow New York backstop Austin Romine got two for his part in the tangle with Cabrera. That could cause the organization some troubles with filling out its catching situation, though it seems there’ll be some effort to ensure the suspensions aren’t served simultaneously.
In addition to losing their star for some time, the Tigers will go without reliever Alex Wilson for four games because he threw at Todd Frazier after warnings had been issued — and then admitted it (somewhat admirably) after the game. Detroit skipper Brad Ausmus will also sit one out contest due to Wilson’s actions.
All of those players received undisclosed fines. A variety of other participants were levied financial punishment as well. Needless to say, there’ll be plenty of debate over the league’s actions. Tigers righty Michael Fulmer was not suspended despite plunking Sanchez earlier in the game. Likewise, Yankees righty Tommy Kahnle won’t be banned despite throwing behind Cabrera. And fellow New York righty Dellin Betances also avoided punishment though he hit Tigers catcher James McCann in the helmet with a pitch after the initial brawl.
Sanchez should have got at least 5. 4 is a lot for Wilson. And although Betances did not intentionally hit McCann, I’m very surprised he didn’t get at least 1.
Wilson got 4 because he admitted he did it on purpose
MLB, where telling the truth gets you punished.
it was arrogant and stupid!
Yes, this garbage does need to end. But there should be some leniency for be honest and forefront about the situation as it would encourage others to be honest and forefront too.
Agreed, you should never get in trouble for telling the truth. MLB should implement this league-wide.
MLB: “We’re announcing that Bryce Harper has tested positive for a performance enhancing drug.”
Harper: “You’re right, I did it.”
MLB: “Oh, well, as long as you told the truth. No harm no foul no punishment.”
That garbage was exciting to watch.
Tom Brady picked the wrong sport
So if Wilson says it slipped, does he still get suspended? You’d hope yes, but most likely no.
And that’s where the MLB needs to step in and stop this garbage. These are Major Leaguers. They know exactly where they are throwing.
It worked for Betances. No suspension for head hunting. Guess there is no line that MLB won’t ignore for their Yankees.
Even McCann and Ausmus said they thought that the plunking was unintentional. So, you should reevaluate your stance.
Idiot- who hits a guy in the head intentionally given the tenor of that game, when the Yanks just tied the score, in the middle of a pennant race, leading off an inning? Tigers team is a joke!
No joe torre handing out suspensions to the piece of shxt pinstripes is a joke!! Sanchez shoulda got same if not more then miggy..
Betances
Agreed. Four games for 2 sucker punches?? 2?? Garbage. Should’ve been 10, like MadDog said on MLB Network. Min.
Okay well you can’t blame them for thinking that after everything had already transpired.
4 game suspension for a relief is like 2 for a position player.
He’s a relief pitcher so four games is nothing…
Four games is even less for a starting pitcher
So in a way, it’s kinda like Fulmer is getting a four-game suspension 😀
That Betances didn’t get suspended — given the full context of things, which goes way beyond the 6-6 score, And includes violence perpetrated by both sides repeatedly to that point — is absurd.
A SP wouldn’t miss a start with a 4 game suspension but they would still lose salary. A 4 game suspension would cost Kershaw 878k.
Betances got nothing? for throwing at someone’s head? what the f???
They can’t prove he did it on purpose…
He should still be suspended for doing it by accident. Who cares if it was on purpose or not? Learn to control your pitches or don’t pitch inside at all.
WTF that’s nutz…
So anytime a player is hit in the head, intentional or not , the pitcher should get suspended ?
The issue isnt throwing at the head. Its throwing at the head given the context.
No, anyone who hits someone in the head on accident shouldnt be suspended.
Yes, someone who hits someone in the head accident, or not, should be at least 1 game or fined say 50k or whatever just for the MLB to uphold integrity if a benches clearing brawl has happened and warnings issued.
If we are having to ask, ya know, did betances hit him intentionally or not that should be the indication a punishment needs to be handed down otherwise the MLB undermines their own integrity.
Again, context is everything.
You have to admit the optics and timing of it seem inconvenient at best, intentional at worst, right?
I think it falls somewhere in between, say, he was aiming for the hip and missed up?
Yes. That would solve the problem immediately. Suspended after like 5-10 HBPs. If you hit a guy in the head it’s an auto suspension also.
It’s crazy that people get hit in the head with a 100 mph projectile and no one takes it seriously.
If context is everything, why would Betances throw at a .250 hitter
, with no outs, tie game in the bottom of the seventh, in a playoff run?
Because he is an idiot lol
The whole world knows it was on purpose, just can’t prove it.
Bc that’s the narrative of a normal game.
Because Miggy went after the Yankees catcher, he went after the Tiger’s catcher. What he is hitting had little to do with it.
So you should be suspended if you hit a guy by accident genius?
Yes
Hello. Is there anyone home between your ears or are you too busy reflect? Replay the video game to earlier in the year. Your boy Fulmer has done it in an earlier season and tigers announcers were trying to cover his ass with, ‘there’s something with his pitching hand that causes him to lose control.’
Please. The Yankees were embarrassing the tigers. Sanchez was a target.
The teams got nothing else to do–its in bad need of urban renewal. Got to get rid of the bloat (starting w hot head miggy). Your stuck for several more seasons with the remnants of Trader Dave’s indiscretions.
Because the yankees lost both their dh and catcher. Im not saying betances drilled mcann on purpose but come on. Lose your catcher then drill the opposing teams catcher makes it very suspicious, then consider he hit him in the head and it looks even worse.
The idiot is you if you think it was intentional
They don’t need to prove it. This isn’t a court of law. They use their judgement.
And their judgement figured it wasn’t intentional
that’s splitting hairs a bit. they also can’t prove romine threw punches on purpose
Ah yes, because the MLB always has to prove things to suspend players, no less prove they did it on purpose…
They decided a yankees pitcher didn’t do it on purpose. That is the whole point that some are trying to make.. it would seem, to some, that they (MLB) are showing favoritism to the yankees in this specific situation. Whether or not you believe that to be true, saying “they couldn’t prove he did it on purpose” is a poor argument.
Obviously no way of knowing, but I think the fact it was in the head showed it wasn’t on purpose.
Hurts yanks for bad officiating, id love to hear about betances
Sanchez will probably appeal the 2 games romine is out
i wanna know how betances got nothing for hitting mccan in the head??
Simple. It wasn’t intentional. I personally thought he’d get maybe 1, but it’s clear he did not do it on purpose
For those who do not know, after Betances was ejected, David Robertson came in and hit the very next batter he faced. He was neither fined or suspended either. (FWIW, the count was 0-2 on that pitch)
None for Betances, Kahlne or GIrardi, plus Sanchez gets three less games than Miggy.
Joe Torre and the Yankees strike again.
Miggy was the instigator…
Yes, I’m sure Romine stood there like an angel and didnt say a peep, and this was after Miggy was thrown at for literally no reason other than one that got away from Fulmer.
Got away from Fulmer? Do you seriously believe that one man? Sanchez had just hit his 4th homer in 3 games against them, and his next time up Fulmer drilled him right in the hip. Don’t say it got away from him, it was blatantly obvious what his intentions were.
considering the Tigers were still winning, and it was a full count. I can say with certainty that no one can say for sure it was intentional or not except those involved. That said, clearly MLB and the umpires didnt think it was intentional
He drilled Sanchez on the 1st pitch of the at bat, and it was right after Hicks hit the sac fly to give the Yankees a 3-2 lead…
Exactly what I was thinking. No problem with any of the suspensions.
Fulmer and Betances both threw purpose pitches. Anybody saying otherwise is being biased.
I’m on the fence about Fulmer , but if you think Betances did that on purpose, you’re truly foolish.
It is so blatantly obvious that you are not thinking about the game of baseball.
It is a close game in the top of the 5th,(3-2) and NY has a guy on first. So you think Fulmer is going to hit Sanchez on purpose so he can then face Judge with two men on??? Fulmer is the Rookie of the Year in 2016, a gamer who wants to win and Sanchez has only one hit off of him. It is more likely he wants to get Sanchez out.
Yankees are the headhunters. As teams in separate divisions, NY/Det. only play each other 6-7 times per year. what are the odds that in a 4 game span, Detroit has 2 guys hit in the head, one guy hit multiple times, one or two pitches behind batters and about 6-7 total hit batsmen. Do Yankee pitchers suddenly not know where home plate is when they play Detroit??. Think about it.
Considering that the tigers are a losing franchise, Brix….
Someone needs to help Miggy–either get the uber app installed on his iPhone cause he is SO SLOW running the bases, or put him on weight watchers.
Romine has some blame too. Can’t be denied, was up in his face just like Miggy. But, miggy did start it.
Miggy has the… guts to throw punches to the face, and not to the people on the ground who can’t defend themselves.
Look at the replay. Miggy’s first swing at Romine was an open hand slap to the helmet too.
Miggy really surprised me by doing this
What really happened is frustration. He’s coming to terms with the fact that he’s not a triple crown MVP anymore, just another aging ball player…
Because you guys talk all the time right?
Agree with costergaard. That was a years worth of frustration coming out of Cabrera.
So is Albert Pujols due for a bench-clearing brawl then?
I’ve seen some dumb c moments, but this
Lol thats just n ignorant comment. Dudes been dealing with back issues for last 2 years n doesnt complain. 34yrs old??? U dumb dumb
Romine should get a bonus for taking his mask off before the fight not suspended
you mean when he and Miggy were instigating one another?
Hard to think romine was instigating miggy and not defending his pitcher and manager. Also shows a lot about miggy to go after the catcher he’s got a 100 pounds on and not chapman standing or there who’s built like a freakin rocket ship
Because Chapman had nothing to do with that. Romine either called for the pitch to be behind Cabrera or allowed Kahnle to throw it behind him. Chapman had just finished warming up when the brawl happened. Now if Chapman threw one of his heaters behind or at Cabrera, then I could see Cabrera picking a fight with Chapman but that’s not how it worked out.
My favorite thing is that Garrett Cooper and Clint Frazier from NYY got fined for coming on the field while on the DL. That seems like nitpicking
I also think Fulmer should’ve got one game. Kahnle didn’t deserve one because when he hit his batter it was on an 0-2 count and there would be no reason to hit a guy on an 0-2 count.
Because you know, rationale, logic, and cool-headedness totally prevailed.
The argument from situation is 100% moot and was thrown out the moment players started throwing punches.
1 game serves no purpose as he is a starting pitcher. he can just drop an appeal after having started one.
If you give Fulmer one, you got to give Betances one. There is enough uncertainty on both sides (Betances said it slipped, Fulmer seemed to hurt himself a bit on the pitch) that I think MLB got it 99% right with Fulmer and Betances. The only thing they probably should’ve done was fine both (although not an absurd amount) for their roles in the exchanges even if it was unintentional (Fulmer hitting Sanchez led to Kahnle throwing behind Cabrera, Betances hitting McCann led to Wilson hitting Frazier).
Well said.
That’s a rule. Not anything to do with fight. Just standard for them to get a mini fine.
iirc its supposed to be an auto suspension, thats what happened in the Blue Jays/Royals brawl from two years ago. Buerhle got 5 games or something
Hahaha I thought the same thing
Combine the suspensions for everyone not named Cabrera, double it, and hit Miggy with it. This is on him.
Fulmer needs to sit out his next start as well in my opinion. He started this whole debacle by drilling Sanchez on purpose seemingly out of frustration with Sanchezs’ ownership of the tigers over the course of the series.
Exactly..plus what went on in NY…
Fulmer’s was obviously intentional.
Betances’ was obviously not.
Classic Yankee logic.
To hit somebody for owning you is bush league bro!
Truth
Can someone get this guy a net? We gotta catch a point that went over his head.
And to sucker punch guys while on the ground being pinned by at least 2 teammates takes a real man?
Seems fair…Betances pitch wasn’t
intentional. Sanchez had been intentionally hit before and was upset that his fellow catcher was being punched.. so he should be allowed to get some licks in. Cabrera deserved to get his *ss kicked for starting the fight for no good reason.
Your on another world.
Ha ha… even Victor Martinez could see that Cabrera instigated it. Btw Verlander had a lot to say for someone who just stood around and watched. I guess Kate Upton fights his battles now!
I know, right? He’s just laying in the grass taking in the sights while his teammates brawl.
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+1
When will they announce the suspensions and fines for the officiating crew? The home plate umpire (Torres) is an absolute disgrace to his profession.
Yes. When you can’t control a game, the players will…
Fulmer just wanted to move a very comfortable hitter’s feet. Don’t tell me he intentionally hit him. He wanted to come inside. Miggy gets what he should. Maybe give Romine a fine instead of 2 games. Sanchez should not be allowed to play for weeks. This is very dumb. What Sanchez did will be done again if no one is ever penalized for it. Sanchez must be loved by Manfred or something. I mean home run derby and getting left off thee hook for this. 4 games are what he would miss for having a broken nail. Wilson gets suspended because they have too. Ausmus can be suspended too, but only if Girardi gets the same.
If they consider that Cabrera was asking his teammates to hit a player on july 31st after the Yankees hit Mahtook twice unintentionally, then Cabrera would be hit at least with a few months off.
Players shouldn’t be asking their teammates to hit rival players, and we can be sure of it because after Cabrera went off and pointed to the Yankees dugout, Fulmer hit Ellsbury.
That retaliation was over. Once Ellsbury was hit you can forget it. Miggy deserves 3/4 of what Sanchez got at most. Betances’s no suspension is also ridiculous. Girardi gets nothing, but Ausmus does?
Because Girardi was tossed after the game before the brawls even started. Why should Girardi get suspended?
Meant to say after the throw by Kahnle. Not after the game.
And the MLB sent a message to all pitchers that they can still throw at another dude’s heads with absolutely zero repercussion.
He got fined
Throw at someone’s head, get fined.
Yeah, seems fair…
He was really the only pitcher I saw in the interviews after the game that said he didn’t do it on purpose, that he is not that kind of player that retaliates against rival players, and really he sounded sincere.
Cabrera on the other hand, was still challenging Yankees players to come after him, specially Sánchez, he said “if he wants to hit me, he has to come face to face”, which wouldn’t help Miguel at all after watching him trying to punch Romine to no avail, now we have confirmation that it was as easy for Avisail García to pummel Cabrera as a source said, when he witnessed Miguel waiting for Avisail to confront him (from other sources: Prince Fielder’s wife had been bragging she “bedded” him so Cabrera got angry).
Cabrera’s comment are absolutely on spot. He was being sucker punched by Sanchez, he basically told him to have a pair and do it to his face if he’s gonna take a swing at him.
Yea he has to pay maybe a couple thousand, which is absolutely nothing. If that ball was an accident, the Yankees should be forced to send him down to Tampa Yankees.
NO…
No he didnt!
Which is really the saddest part of all of this.
Why would he throw at him in that situation let alone at his head?
I dont care if its intentional or not. Major league pitchers are in the Majors because of their control. You hit someone in the head with anything over 70 mph and you should be ejected with a suspension. No appeal
Major League pitchers aren’t in the majors because of their control. They’re in the majors because their skill sets allow them to be successful. One of those skill sets may be control, but this idea that major leaguers have pinpoint accuracy and the ball never gets alway is a fallacy.
Should have been 7-8 for Sanchez, 5 for Romine, Cabrera 7 is good. Sanchez had multiple cheap shots. Ronnie hit Miggy about 7 times, Cabrera didn’t land anything but started it
5 for Romine? That’s ridiculous
Yeah, Romine at 2 or 3 is just fine, he didn’t start anything (physically), but was no bystander either. Sanchez should have gotten a lot more, like 8 – 10, and Betances maybe 1 or 2. Other than that it’s ok.
I agree with this entirely.
5 for Romine is definitely excessive.
WTF are you talking about. The only time Cabrera got hit was in the back while he was on the ground by cowards. If that was your hero Ronnie, you have serious problems.
Ronmine hit Cabrera about 6-7 times in the back/side when Cabrera was down, similar to Sanchez who only threw two punches. So he can’t say he was defending himself when he is hitting someone who is on the bottom of the pile
Too bad Girardi didn’t get any games. It would be nice not to hear his constant whining.
Evidently you are not a Yankees fan or just wanted to post something irrelevant!
Sorry my post didn’t meet your approval. Who the heck are you, Joe Torre?
Since you asked…
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Ba lot of people are saying betances didn’t hit mccan on purpose but I think he did. How many times has he drilled someone
In the dome? Can’t be many if any. And for it to come after a brawl I don’t think it’s by chance
He has been extremely inaccurate this year. So I see both sides
He hasn’t been THAT inaccurate.
Betances has hit one player this year before this, and this one just happens to be the Tiger’s catcher, right after Miggy takes on the Yankees catcher. Hard to say it’s not a little coincidental.
Minor correction: he’s one other RIGHTY this year.
Other than that, I wholly agree.
He’s never hit anyone in the head yet he decides to do it in the bottom of the seventh with no outs in a tied ballgame?
Fair enough. Same logic goes for Fulmer. Only a one run lead in 5th. With NY having one man on, why would he hit Sanchez to face Judge with two men on?? Sanchez only has one hit off of him. He more likely wants to get him out and Judge leading off with nobody on.
Hey guys look at the whole ball game..
Fulmer is the want that started the whole thing..
Sánchez hit a homer and then he got hit..
Then cabrera went towards romine.. now do you want romine to stay there with the head down? Now Pedro Martinez talking crap about Sanchez.. f.. Pedro you where must duty pitcher I ever seen..hitting jeter n Soriano?? Is better for you to shut the f.. off
Your just mad because you can’t spell and because Pedro threw don zimmers old a$$ down
Lmao norton
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I must say, thank you for this thoughtful, unbiased summary of the events for all of us who just couldn’t see it this way with our own eyes. I am enlightened kind sir!
Romine and Cabrera were both arguing. Romine takes a couple of steps towards Cabrera and takes off his mask…. Cabrera was in the wrong for pushing and punching him. But Romine is this innocent guy just defending himself yankee fans!!!
Gary Sanchez should have gotten 10 days, and a sucker punch as well.
Cabrera got what he deserved. He was the instigator. He kept asking Romine, “Do you have a problem with me?” Romine didn’t even make eye contact with him the first couple times and kept replying, “It’s not about you.” Cabrera kept it up wanting a confrontation with the smaller Romine. Sanchez deserved what he got too for the poor decision to swing instead of pull people apart. Fulmer should be ashamed for hitting Sanchez in the first place. I am all for retaliating if one of your guys is hit, but hitting a guy because he hit a homer off you is bush league and unacceptable. The umpire crew should all be fined. Handled this entire thing horribly.
7 games for Cabrera? A very short suspension considering he was also the instigator on july 31, mouthing off against these same yankees on NY, after Mahtook had been hit for a second time that night and a pitch had been inside to Miguel himself that he didn’t like. He pressed his teammates and Fulmer retaliated right after Cabrera scolded him for not doing it earlier. Fulmer hit Ellsbury on purpose that night.
The Yankees knew about that (they were asked after that game) so it was only fitting that right after Fulmer hit Sánchez, that they would pass one pitch as a warning to Cabrera to keep his mouth shut and not stir any problems. He decided to continue it so his arse got handed to him on a silver plate (and man, Romine really landed a few good punches).
As for Sánchez, fitting those 4 games. I thought maybe MLB would let Cabrera walk away free as they did with Harper who instigated a fight and was hit with a minimum suspension, though there was also the case of Puis punching Hinske on the head and MLB suspending Hinske 5 games for it (later reduced to a fine and 1 game), MLB decided after reviewing the video that Puig didn’t punch Hinske in the head, but that it was Hinske hitting puig in the fist with his head… or something like that because Puig was protected (as he was with the domestic violence case and the relation with the narcotraficants when he sent a hit against a narco in M’exico who was found dead after Puig asked them to shut him down or else he would not keep on paying them the money he owed them for smuggling him out of Cuba = they represented him when the Dodgers signed him, so he had to give them their cut).
Very short for giving Romine 2 games which is essentially what you get for calling a drunk fan a fa**ot now a days.
This is why it’s a complete joke to have Joe Torre hand down this discipline! This is a complete farce. Scumbag Yankees almost ended that kids career by throwing at his head and the guy doesn’t even get a fine?! What a joke!
The MLB office (Joe Torre) is an absolute joke.
Sanchez sucker punches not one, but two guys while they are being held down and gets 4 games? Should have been 15. I hope he gets what’s coming to him for that cowardly act.
Betances gets nothing for throwing at a guy’s head? Why? Because he’s less honest in his interview than Wilson, who got 4 games.
Joe Torre is so one sided on this one that if he was in a normal job, he would be fired. The correct punishment will come to Sanchez. Unfortunately it will now be administered by opposing players.
i hear ya! Sum bullshxxt!!!! Soon as i seen it i even said miggy n sanchez should get equal suspensions. Betances didnt even get a fine? Girardi wasnt suspended but ausmus was?
N then i hear joe torre handed out suspensions n realized MLB is a fxckjng joke!!!
I guess the mlb officials heard Chris Russo ranting about how they should increase the length of these suspensions if they want to stop such fights from happening and then thought ‘let’s do the complete opposite’. Only 4 games for punching a player while he is being held down by another? That would land you in jail in most countries. No suspensions for Fulmer (who basically restarted the tensions that were there in the NY series by taking a shot at sanchez the at bat after hitting the home run), Kahnle and Betances? All of those hit by pitches were 100% intentional (although I don’t think Betances was throwing at McCann’s head). Are Torre etc. afraid of the players association or what? These suspensions are laughable.
personally, I don’t think Fulmer or Betances was intentional, the rest were. I still think Betances shoulda been ejected/suspended for a game or two due to the tensions that were already there.
What I really don’t understand is how Girardi/Kahlne don’t get anything when Wilson and Ausmus did
Torre is still a Yankee. They never get any reasonable penalties. He needs to get out of baseball entirely. He is worse than the umps.
Flat out guess but I’d say Girardi and Kahnle didnt get suspended (both got fined by the way) because both had gotten tossed before any of the brawls took place. Umps never gave a single warning to either team. Kahnle got tossed immediately, followed by Girardi ripping apart the umpire. I think both of them expected a warning from the ump.
Ausmus and Wilson both got suspended because it was clearly intentional that they hit Frazier (likely in retaliation of McCann being hit), though those occurred well after the first big brawl took place.
I’m trying to be as optimistic as I can. Decision isn’t made by me.
I think Sanchez should have gotten as much, if not more than Miggy. I have no issue with Fulmer or Betances getting zero, though Betances getting zero did surprise me. It was probably Alex Wilson and Ausmus’ stupid mouths for admitting to hitting Frazier on purpose which is what got them their suspensions for as long as they were.
Matt Barnes wants his 6 games back. Unreal Betances got nothing.
Complete joke! This is NFL quality crooked B.S.!!!
Ouch.
If two games is what you get for calling a fan a fa*, this is absolutely nothing.
So Betances gets zero games for hitting McCann in the head? Before I get the “he has control issues” retort, I don’t recall him hitting a guy in the head with a fastball prior to this. Weird. Cabrera’ suspension was deserved, if not maybe too light. I get you’re frustrated dude but you essentially set off an on the field riot. Then we get to Gary Sanchez. Wow. 4 games for sucker punching multiple people? Real class act. How pathetic. Speaking of pathetic, Victor Martinez…..you’ve already dissed Tiger fan on multiple occasions. Now you’re gonna go in the field and play grab @ss with Gary Sanchez during the Betances/McCann aftermath?? After Sanchez sucker punched 2 of your TEAMMATES?? So you’re not going to fight Sanchez but you have no problem getting into a shouting match with Verlander in the dugout? You don’t deserve to wear a Tiger uniform anymore in all reality. You’re a .250 hitter with little pop and the speed of a three toed sloth. Just take your 18 mill next year and do us all a favor and go away.
He had only hit one RHB in his career prior to hitting McCann in the head.
And that evidence suggests that it was clearly intentional.
Accidentally running over a pedestrian with a bus and intentionally running over a pedestrian with a bus both feel the same to the pedestrian.
So that’s enough evidence to suggest it was intentional? Lol. Something tells me you’re only saying that because of the uniform he wears. Any of the other 29 teams and you’ll probably be saying it’s unintentional.
And I am the farthest thing from a biased Yankee fan. Already said multiple times Sanchez’s suspension was way too light.
So everyone who thinks that throwing a pitch at a guy’s head should have consequences, especially after a major brawl, is a Yankee hater.
What I’m saying has nothing to do with the Yankees. I personally like them, but you must be completely blind to the obvious. So he coincidentally hits a rhb for the second time in his career, in the middle of a fight?
It’s not obvious. If it was obvious he’d be suspended for a long time. And way to cherry pick. There are first and second times for almost everything. People are really looking at split stats to prove it was done on purpose? I’m sorry nobody is stupid enough to intentionally hit a batter in the head to possibly give them a serious lifetime injury.
If a Yankee does it , Yes, I strongly believe that.
How is it Tiger fans are allowed to defend Fulmer (I’m on the fence about that) but Yankee fans can’t defend Betances??
Because Fulmer didn’t throw at someone’s head.
It is 1000 times easier to defend a guy who hits someone in the knee with a breaking ball than it is someone in the head at almost 100mph.
And of course you’re “on the fence” about Fulmer. Literally no one would expect anything else from you at this point.
And I don’t expect anything less than you for saying Betances did it intentionally lol. Also, many are saying Fulmer DID do it intentionally. But I guess the league felt he didn’t , same for Betances. Is what it is.
Sanchez will be the first player to appeal and get MORE games.
These suspensions and fines are always uneven and not very hurtful. Bottom line…the one thing we all get out of this and remember is that Sanchez is a gutless little punk. And the beauty of that is it will be remembered about him for the rest of his career!
If I were commish I’d come out with detailed explanations for each suspension, my number of days would be as such
-Cabrera, for being the first to use physical force-7 Days
-Sanchez for excessive violence without warning-6 days, +Large fine
-Romine, for exceeding what one would call self defense- 2 days
-Michael Fulmer, for throwing at a player-Largest fine since giving 3 days to a SP is silly
-Betances, for hitting someone’s head regardless of intent in that situation gets a medium fine and 2 days(i dont believe he was aiming for head or even to hit him, but given the situation, even if it was innocent the message should be sent. This would be the appeal I would be most understanding of losing.
-Kahnle for intentional throwing at a player, 3 days
-Wilson for intentional throwing at a player, 3 days
-Robertson for intentional throwing at a player. 3 days
-Ausumus and Girardi- 1 Day each for behavior on the field and as the responsible faces of each team
-Huge fine for the Home plate Ump who didnt warn each dugout after Fulmer hit Sanchez
-Review for the rest of the ump staff for losing control of the situation
I think Manfred likes brawls given that they make the game more “attractive to millenials” and help draw conversation and twitter to the sport.
And actually get the sport talked about on ESPN!
You really think David Robertson would intentionally throw at him on an 0-2 pitch? I’m not going to bother arguing Betances because everyone is indifferent on it, but you’re the first I hear saying Robertson’s was intentional.
Should be 7 games for everybody in that brawl.
Or more. 8-10 games for Sanchez and Betances.
R Oder 8 games Vs Sanchez 4;
Matt Barnes 6 games vs Betances 0
Anyone who doesn’t think Joe Torre still bleeds yankee blue is a yankee fan.
If Torre had any integrity he would have recused himself.
None of the players should of been suspended! The umps should cause they let it get out of hand terrible job on the handling of the whole situation.!
Wish for days when pitchers tip their caps if they accidentally hit a batter, when club leader/captain calls out this stupid crap in public a waste of time, and pitchers stops getting offended due to someone being on a hot streak.
Can somebody explain how Joe Torre was able to hand down these suspensions? Is MLB seriously becoming the same as professional wrestling?
Joe Torre is an idiotic fossil that should have disappeared from the game about the same time as Barry Bonds. Except Bonds actually had some talent and some reason to be associated with the game. Torre is a complete clown everywhere outside of the metro NYC area. Absolutely pathetic MLB and I say that as a fan that doesn’t like the Tigers.
Maybe it’s a faulty memory, but for some reason I think Torre managed the Dodgers after being terminated by the Yankees….
probably some neuron misfire…
You realize that MLB HQ is located in the NYC area?
Doesn’t sound like too many people are happy. Blame the stupid “unwritten rules”, Blame Fulmer for “accidentally” hitting a guy who had hit a HR already off of him, and shredded Tiger pitching through the series, Blame Sanchez and Betances. Blame Cabrera for mouthing off and instigating, And blame the umpires for losing control. Then you can blame Torre.
Rather see players lose their cool and start a “baseball brawl” rather than lose their cool and throw at a hitters head.
Honestly the umps should have been suspended as well. They had no control over the game. If they just gave a warning after the first hit by pitch (or given a warning after kahnle hit Cabrera) not throwing him out of the game with no warning after they hit you hottest hitter it would have been avoided not giving excuses to anyone involved, just horrible management by umps and they deserve some blame
I say forget warnings. If the ump thinks it was intentional he should toss the pitcher right then and there, and bam, there’s your warning for the benches.
“Hey, don’t blame me for punching you in the face, dad didn’t say I couldn’t!”
I agree ‘Big Matt’ but it goes deeper than that. The umps should know HB tendencies ( i.e. Verlander 83 HB in 10 yrs. vs. Robertson 13 HB in 10 yrs. or Fulmer 16 HB in 2 yrs vs. Kahnle 3 HB in 4 yrs.) That is part of their job, right?
I don’t know much about this, but fighting has no place in baseball.
I’d rather see fighting than the ridiculous plunk wars. Either that, or allow batters to go hit the pitcher in the gut with a bat. Im a little fatigued of the idea that you can throw at guys and it’s the target that gets in trouble for not liking it.
The Yankees always pay their debts. Thanks, Uncle Joe!
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Nice to see the yankee haters out because without this story you probably wouldn’t even be watching baseball being as most of you are fake fans anyway.
easy to hate a team with guys like Sanchez and betances on them. Real classy guys.
Why hate Betances? Unless you’re ignorant to believe he did that’s on purpose. Maybe you should have checked the standings. The game may be irrelevant to your 4th place Tigers , but it isn’t to the wild card leading Yankees. Nobody is stupid enough to put the go ahead run on base in the late innings. Maybe when the Tigers play meaningful baseball again and a similar situation happens with them, you’ll get the idea.
We’re not going to put a man on in a tight game in a playoff race. But we’ll totally throw punches and risk not just one game, but 4!
Yeah, the argument from situation went away the moment they started fighting.
Intentional HBP are thrown at the hip. Not in the head. If Betances did it intentionally , he’d be probably suspended the whole year , rightfully so. And I’m not defending Sanchez but he was probably quite upset that 1 – He got HBP without a warning and 2 – Miggy starting pushing and throwing punches at his teammates. The Yankees then rallied to tie the game. He’s not going to cause another bench brawl to put his team at risk losing the game (which is what happened). Get a clue.
Sanchez was a hot head and deserved a longer suspension. No question about it.
In the 7th, when they are down by 3- go ahead and risk suspension. Who cares about a stinking playoff race.
In the 8th, when it’s tied- Never! Why would we ever do something so blatantly stupid to chance us losing our spot in the playoffs???
This is literally the logical progression you have to take to support your position.
And it’s clearly how the league sees it, so clearly I am right. Sanchez was suspended for being an idiot. Betances unintentionally hit a batter so he wasnt. Not sure why you’re calling it my logic when that’s how the suspensions basically worked out (Sanchez was too short IMO)!
It probably won’t be on highlights, but as my post at the bottom says , Betances threw a FB today that would have hit Danny Valencia in the head, but he thankfully ducked in time. His control has been wild all year.
Way to move the goalposts.
That’s not even the scope of this discussion. You argued, “Nobody is stupid enough to put the go ahead run on base in the late innings.”
I am arguing that clearly, the Yankees didn’t consider the context of their playoff chase when they ran out and threw punches. Why, all of a sudden, was it so idiotic (as though it weren’t prior) to then risk suspensions or lose the game? By the time Betances had the ball, they already had 2-3 guys facing suspensions. If it didn’t matter to them then, it certainly didn’t matter when Betances got the ball.
Not to mention, no one in baseball buys the “why would he do it then?” Teams know & players know to find a moment that seems like it would be an odd choice, and pick that moment.
Perhaps because there’s a 20 man in a bench clearing brawl and Sanchez is out there defending his teammates??? Ever think of that???
“Not to mention no one in baseball buys the Why would he do that”
Except that’s simply not true lol.
Why don’t you watch the post game and see both Ausmus and McCann mention they felt Betances had no intention of doing that. Many writers/journalists have mixed feelings of both Betances and Fulmer. But the league obviously felt neither intentionally did it. And if you want me to stop saying I’m on the fence about Fulmer, fine. I don’t think Fulmer intended to. But you’re going to find many who did. Just like there are many who think Betances did
What’s done is done and I’d like to end our argument here. Night man.
How about MLB states that fights aren’t part of the game, and have the cops running the security at the ballparks drag them out and charge them all with disorderly conduct or battery or whatever else they can come up with.
Interesting thought came out of this: what stops a player from pressing charges on another player for in game misconduct?
If I throw a ball at someone intentionally and they are hurt, they could realistically press charges. (Most likely would be a misdemeanor, but still.) Is there something in the CBA that prevents this kind of action?
Not sure it’s in the CBA. But it’s probably because they’re both part of the Players Union and it would look terrible for one player to sue another. I could be wrong of course.
They totally could. It’s not part of their job to get punched.
No but when has there ever been a law suit between 2 players? I didn’t say it couldn’t happen , but it is not likely to ever happen.
Obviously there’s an awkwardness to it, which is why it likely won’t happen.
But it Major League Baseball won’t step in and stop this, eventually, players are going to be left with no choice.
Good point Remms12… a lot of yankees haters!!!
Sanchez was upper cutting people that were literally defenseless as they were being pinned to the ground. 4 games is an absolute infuriating farce, it’s about 1/3 of what he deserved. And I hate the Tigers.
Yankees obviously being protected by Manfred and Torres. Red Sox would have got slammed. Betances and Kahnle should have got 4 and Sanchez should have got 10 for his cheap shots. Cabrera got thrown at too but at least fought a fair fight. Its not like Cabrera was pounding on Romine on the ground and needed to be punched to be protected. I thought Cabrera would have got 10 so he got off light too.
Throwing behind guys and hitting heads are far more dangerous than hip shots. Betances was throwing at McCann but with his command thats like a drunk driving. Anything can happen. Lucky McCann is still alive or not badly hurt. Nothing to stop Betances from doing it again. Not even a fine. LOL
Suspensions are a disgrace. Sanchez sucker punches a player down on the ground and gets 4 ? Should have got the rest of the year !
Baseball has become so Pansified, if that’s a word, so weak rather!! 7 games, you’ve got to be kidding me!! Who remembers the greatest baseball brawl ever—Nolan Ryan locking up Robin Ventura like one of his cattle on his ranch?? He pounded Ventura and what happened—nothing! They even let him stay in the game and continue pitching! Baseball needs to stop changing for the worse and stay true to its roots. All that’s going on here is protecting money! The teams, and rightfully so from their point of view, don’t want their big investments getting hurt in a brawl but it’s hurting baseball! Pitching inside and even hitting the occasional batter is part of the game and the umps/league are taking this crucial part of the game out of the game! I mean can you imagine Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale, Nolan Ryan and Goose Gossage (to name just a few) playing in today’s version of the game with today’s rules??? It would be sad and they definitely would not have the success today in today’s league that they had back then when they could truly protect the strike zone and really pitch!
Suspend them, sure, but I’d say just say everybody who did more than try to pull guys apart gets the same flat suspension.
The part that bothers me about this stuff is that we’re establishing a precedent that it’s OK to deliberately through at or near hitters, but it’s not OK for hitters to say or do anything about it.
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MLB did the Tigers a big favor here. They are going nowhere and will now save 1.2M on Miggy’s contract due to the suspension.
Sanchez showed himself for the coward he is – sucker punching Cabrera while he is pinned face down on the ground. One can only hope he gets what’s coming to him the next time the Yankees play the Tigers.
Sort of off topic but Betances nearly drilled Danny Valencia in the head. Valencia ducked down thankfully in time. I guess that was intentional too.
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