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NL East Notes: Marlins, Parè, Neshek, Phillies, Gio

By Mark Polishuk | December 10, 2017 at 11:24pm CDT

As you might expect, the Marlins aimed high in their trade talks with the Yankees about Giancarlo Stanton.  According to FanRag Sports’ Jon Heyman (Twitter link), Miami initially asked New York about such top prospects as Chance Adams, Justus Sheffield, and Estevan Florial.  Those demands weren’t met, however, and the Marlins had to settle for two lesser prospects (Jorge Guzman and Jose Devers) plus second baseman Starlin Castro in exchange for the big slugger.  It wasn’t as if the Marlins had much leverage, of course, as the Yankees were one of the few teams Stanton was willing to waive his no-trade clause to join and Miami’s top priority was getting as much of Stanton’s enormous contract as possible off their books.

Some more rumblings from around the NL East…

  • The Braves announced the hiring of Jason Parè as their assistant general manager, research and development.  (The previously-reported hiring of Josh Tamin as the club’s director of Major League operations was also announced.)  Parè spent the last two years as the Marlins’ senior director of analytics, and he previously worked with Braves GM Alex Anthopoulos in Toronto’s front office, where Parè worked as an analyst in 2014-15.
  • The Phillies have had internal talks about signing Pat Neshek, NBC Sports Philadelphia’s Jim Salisbury reports.  Neshek was acquired by the Phils last winter in a trade with the Astros and then pitched superbly before being flipped to the Rockies for three prospects at trade deadline.  Neshek enjoyed arguably the best of his 11 MLB seasons in 2017, posting a 1.59 ERA over 62 1/3 combined innings with Philadelphia and Colorado, recording 69 strikeouts against just six walks.
  • The Phillies are reportedly open to the possibility of starting the season with a surplus of infielders, though Matt Gelb of the Philadelphia Inquirer argues that the team is best served by trading at least one of their veteran players (i.e. Cesar Hernandez or Freddy Galvis) this winter and giving J.P. Crawford and Scott Kingery a clear path to regular playing time.  Juggling those four players and Maikel Franco during the year leads to fewer at-bats for everyone and, Gelb notes, less opportunity for Hernandez or Galvis to improve their value for a midseason trade.
  • Could the Nationals use Gio Gonzalez as a trade chip?  MASNsports.com’s Pete Kerzel discusses the possibility, as the Nats could obtain some controllable talent by dealing the veteran as he enters the final year of his contract.  Gonzalez is coming off one of the best of his six seasons in Washington (2.96 ERA, 2.38 K/BB rate, 8.42 K/9 over 201 innings), though advanced metrics were less impressed by his performance, so Kerzel believes the Nats could look for a trade while Gonzalez’s value is high.
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34 Comments

  1. DRod35

    8 years ago

    I would love to see Neshek back in philly

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  2. ericl

    8 years ago

    It would not hurt Kingery to start the season in AAA. In truth, it will probably be beneficial to him. There is no need to rush him to the big leagues. They can handle him exactly like they did Hoskins last season.

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  3. Begamin

    8 years ago

    So the new Marlins ownership got worked in trade talks huh? This sort of weakness only leads to more lopsided deals in the other team’s favor.

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    • kbarr888

      8 years ago

      They weren’t half as stuck as it’s being played up to. Jeter just wanted to get his buddies a deal in NY. Shame on him. He’s tarnishing his reputation with almost every move he/they make. Granted he’s just a minority owner (invested just $25 Million of the $1.2 Billion), but they’ve put him in the spotlight, and he looks bad right now.

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      • cfrs30

        8 years ago

        Your tears are delicious.

        Why did he attempt to trade him to two other teams first?

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      • JKB 2

        8 years ago

        Another clown who thinks Jeter is the mancharian candidate who is working for the Yankees under the table. Pathetic cry baby fan

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        • em650r

          8 years ago

          Marlins will flip Castro to another team

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      • LordD99

        8 years ago

        Right. I’m sure Bruce Sherman, the real owner of the team, simply let Jeter cut a bad deal to weaken the team he owns. Critical thinking skills might help you here.

        Stanton dictated the teams.. The Marlins tried to cut the best deal in a market where they had no leverage.

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      • Regi Green

        8 years ago

        They had 4 teams to negotiate with,and 3 of them didn’t show a whole lot of interest,how were they not stuck?

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        • Royaltyz

          7 years ago

          easy, you move other parts (free up money that way) and keep stanton, there is no way you give in to stanton like that, it says the wrong message to future players/teams who want to call your bluff, and i’ve heard people say that if you keep him you lower his value etc , but WHAT value really ? if your gonna trade him to the yanks fora bucket off balls what value was there really ? they should have just kept him and see if he then would have waived his clause for a better offer for the marlins, if not have fun rotting on a last place team for a few more years.

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        • eilexx

          7 years ago

          What you’re missing is that it’s likely not an “either or” situation; it’s not trade Stanton or trade everyone else. It’s trade EVERYONE! It’s become obvious that the Sherman/Jeter group is overextended and cannot afford being owners of a major league team (reports have them seeking outside investors for as much as $250M).

          The Marlins are likely conducting a fire-sale, trading anyone they can who’s making decent (7 + figures) money. Stanton just had to be the first domino to fall because they never would have gained any leverage. His contract and no-trade made that impossible. And if they kept him and then began trading everyone else? Other teams would know they HAD to trade them, and they would lose some leverage. By dealing Stanton first, whom they were going to take a bath on anyway, they now have leverage for moving Ozuna, Yelich, Realmuto, etc.

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        • Royaltyz

          7 years ago

          Then we have an even bigger problem here on our hands, which MLB should have voided this deal and investigate whether or not THey should get to keep the marlins, because if i remember reading correctly one of the points when buying the marlins was they agreed to only trimming down to about 90 mil range. not the reported 55 they want to take it down to now. but i doubt manfred does anything

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  4. Phillies2017

    8 years ago

    Its a matter of leverage. I doubt Galvis is still here on OD

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  5. imindless

    8 years ago

    If I am the marlins i would have just kept stanton. Trash yankee prospects and starlin “can’t play defense” castro.

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    • Surprisingly a Bucks Fan

      8 years ago

      they didn’t care about the return, they cared about money

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      • Royaltyz

        7 years ago

        i believed this was the case too at first, everybody wants to say that it was purely a salary dump, but come on, if they are getting that trash of a package, there is no way they should be sending 1 penny to the yanks, let alone, TAKING ON 20 mil in castro AND sending 30 mil in cash, if this is no jeter helping out the yanks then he should file a police report for getting taken advantage of.

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        • eilexx

          7 years ago

          You don’t seem very good with math. The Marlins could not afford Stanton. They trade him and take on about $53M, save $295M…they end up clearing more than $240M in salary. And they got a couple of prospects who more than likely won’t amount to much. Clean salary dump. Now they can move on to trading the rest of their roster for better returns, since they’re not anchored in place by Stanton’s contract.

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        • Royaltyz

          7 years ago

          and you don’t seem to be very good with reading comprehension, i know the math of the deal, what i said was, that was not a very smart salary dump , you seem to lump the $ amount to the total but if you are using the marlins logic i would look at it at the annual value,

          castro will make 10 mil next year, if you ofset it with that they give the yankees back, you are only getting about 12 mil relief (for 2018) , you mean to tell me you force stanton to stay a year longer he wont change his tune for you to get a better deal ? the only people that don’t see that this was either Jeter being a moron or a loyal yankee, are yankee fans, i have no horse it this race/trade, i just see a bad deal or possible collusion, but i honestly think/hope its the former.

          the only way for this salary dump to be even remotely ok is if the yankees had eaten the whole salary and not send any salary back, kinda like what the dodgers did when they acquired crawford gonzales and beckett, boston got same kind of crap in return in terms of prospect but at least they did not have to take anything back or give any money.

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  6. Phillies7459

    8 years ago

    I feel like the Yankees should be in on Gio, they need to upgrade the rotation in a way that isn’t Sabathia.

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    • west212

      8 years ago

      Agreed… A Gardner for Gio swap makes sense for both teams. The Yankees could use Ells as the fourth outfielder then.

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      • beard

        8 years ago

        Nats already have too many OF, why would they be interested in Gardner?

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    • eilexx

      7 years ago

      Gonzales would get destroyed in the AL east. That sounds like a left-handed version of Javier Vasquez going from the Expos to the Yanks.

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  7. beard

    8 years ago

    The only way trading Gio makes sense is if the Nats make a splashy signing of Arrieta or a big trade for a young arm.

    Selling high is great but they have almost no pitching depth

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  8. sprado1065

    8 years ago

    For whatever reason people see C.C. as trash when he pretty much carried the Yankees in 2009 World Series or everyone forgot already? Just sign the guy 1 year deal or a vesting option for the 2nd and maybe a 3rd. He gets the job done. He has the ring to prove it

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    • beard

      8 years ago

      If the Yankees don’t sign him he won’t be out of a job long. Any contender should want a high leverage guy for the back of their rotation

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    • brucebochyisthemarlboroman

      8 years ago

      While I agree with you that he carried them in 09, this is not 09 and he’s not the same guy now. That being said he’s not terrible at all and worth a flier from someone in a starting role.

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    • Breezy

      8 years ago

      The guy is definitely a serviceable SP, but don’t bring up the success he had nearly 10 years ago as grounds for him to get a contract today.

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    • internet1tough1guy

      8 years ago

      U said it yourself.. lmao “2009”.. cc was great back then.. it isn’t close to the same guy.

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      • mlb1225

        8 years ago

        Though he isn’t the potential Cy Young winner that he was in 2009, he’s still a solid back end piece,

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    • Begamin

      7 years ago

      Exactly, he had a pretty good year last season and a decent one in 2016 as well. I would be happy to have him back in the middle or end of the rotation. Also has done very well in big games.

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  9. bonquisha

    8 years ago

    Man im so sad LAD didnt best that offer.
    NY got to lop off 52mill

    Scott kazmir 16 mill and 24 mill if he dont opt out. For a total of 40 (tryinna not do 51 lol)

    OF Toles and choose one pitcher out of brock stewart/ross strippling. And maybe yusniel diaz and a no name prospect but with potential? 4 man package

    Gahhhhh. I know years 8-10 will likely be tough

    But damn giancarlo would of been so fun to root for

    Guess it could be worse. Like in baltimore not selling or the marlins ofc

    Vent over. Lol

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    • ericl

      8 years ago

      The Dodgers had a good offer prospects wise, but they wanted the Marlins to pay more than $30 million & they also wanted them to take a couple big contracts in return. The Marlins balked. Not getting Stanton doesn’t hurt the Dodgers. They are perfectly fine without him

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      • dust44

        7 years ago

        The Yanks were perfectly fine without him 2. But u don’t pass on a MVP. The dodgers just didn’t have the money with all that crap on there books to take on as much salary as the Yanks did after most of there’s has come off

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  10. formerlyz

    7 years ago

    As a Marlins fan, I think it arguably makes sense to also send Yelich to the Yankees at this point, and try to get back the guys they didn’t get for Stanton. Money makes sense, and they could use help in the infield/veteran depth in New York. I could also see the Marlins eating a couple of million to move Headley, or letting his deal expire, and they might be cool with keeping Gardner. Yelich, Garcia, Castro, Prado +$8 million for Gardner, Headley, Adams, Florial, Abreu, Perez, German, and Carroll?…obviously not the likely deal but some sort of framework like that.

    Yelich, Stanton, Sanchez, Didi, Judge, Bird, Castro, Ellsbury, Prado preliminary lineup, plus depth? If my math is correct, they could still get a starter and stay under the luxury tax as well…i dont know. I’m just trying to salvage the returns on Ozuna, and Yelich and Realmuto should go for a lot. As long as those guys get good value, I’m ok, although I’ll still always be salty about the Stanton deal

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