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NL Notes: Dodgers, Kemp, Giants, Bumgarner, Braves, Marlins

By Mark Polishuk | February 1, 2018 at 10:41pm CDT

The Dodgers’ best chance of moving Matt Kemp may be to package the veteran outfielder (and the $43MM remaining on his contract) along with some good minor league talent to a team with payroll space that is willing to “buy a prospect,” Fangraphs’ Jeff Sullivan writes.  Such moves are becoming increasingly common around baseball, such as the Padres’ acquisition of Chase Headley and Bryan Mitchell from the Yankees earlier this offseason.  The Dodgers have a deep enough farm system that they might not necessarily have to offer one of their top-tier prospects to unload Kemp; Sullivan cites righty Wilmer Font as the type of MLB-ready minor leaguer that could step right into the rotation of a rebuilding team.  Some creativity may be required to work out a Kemp trade, though the five-player, luxury tax-bending deal with the Braves that brought Kemp back to L.A. was itself pretty unique.  If it costs the Dodgers a star prospect to get Kemp off the books, it might be worth it in the long run if the trade frees up enough money for the Dodgers to re-sign Yu Darvish.

Some more from around the National League…

  • Should the Giants sign Madison Bumgarner to an extension?  The Athletic’s Andrew Baggarly (subscription required) looks at the factors that the team will face in making that decision, such as other future salary commitments, whether the Giants will remain competitive in the coming years, and whether they’ll be wary about another long-term deal for a pitcher going into his 30s when other such recent contracts (i.e. Barry Zito, Matt Cain) didn’t work out.  San Francisco isn’t in any immediate rush to decide on the matter, however, as Bumgarner is controlled through 2019 via a $12MM club option.  This gives the Giants time to determine if they can extend their window of contention or perhaps if Bumgarner himself is still in his old form after his injury-marred 2017 campaign.
  • The Braves’ lineup has lost a lot of pop with the departures of Kemp, Matt Adams, and Brandon Phillips, and the team’s primary hope is that its young players emerge as power threats, Gabriel Burns of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes.  Continued development from Ozzie Albies, Rio Ruiz, and Johan Camargo would be a boon for the team, and big things are expected from star prospect Ronald Acuna.  There’s also still the potential for another addition, GM Alex Anthopoulos said: “We’ve talked about the loss of power and how to make up for it.  I don’t have an answer today. Normally you’d say ’Wow, it’s late January, how do you not have an answer?’ But there’s a lot of free agents still out there and there’s a lot of bodies.”
  • The Marlins’ fire sale is the largest ever, The Ringer’s Ben Lindbergh writes, as only one team in baseball history has traded more WAR in a single offseason than Miami has this winter.  That team (the 1899 Louisville Colonels) technically shouldn’t count given the unusual circumstances — Colonels owner Barney Dreyfuss bought a share of the Pirates and then sold much of Louisville’s top talent to Pittsburgh.  Lindbergh’s piece chronicles the top 20 biggest talent purges from one season to the next, with some other recent teams (the 2014 Braves, 2014 A’s, and 2012 Marlins) also appearing on the list.
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  1. leolujan77

    7 years ago

    Yes Giants Should Sign him to a extension
    Mad Bum All The Way

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    • ttinsley1434

      7 years ago

      Lol

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  2. leolujan77

    7 years ago

    Yes Sign Him To A extension
    Mad Bum All The Way

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    • skip 2

      7 years ago

      Yes to a Zito contract that’ll work out great I’m sure

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      • Dodgethis

        7 years ago

        Seemed to work out pretty well, what with the championships and all 😉

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  3. Kenleyfornia74

    7 years ago

    Kind of obviously Kemp is immovable unless attached to someone of value

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    • BlueSkyLA

      7 years ago

      He could also be discounted down to a few million a year, but that might end up being not worth doing from the Dodgers standpoint.

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      • bigkempin

        7 years ago

        Kemp has value as a DH to an AL team in need of some pop and potentially an injury fill in for a corner OF spot. They would still need to knock it down to around $10M/year though. Doing that would get them down to around $170M+. They could even potentially get a team to eat the whole contract if LA gave up a higher grade prospect.

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        • chesteraarthur

          7 years ago

          You are over valuing matt kemp significantly

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        • brandone

          7 years ago

          No chance they get that good of a deal for Kemp

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        • BlueSkyLA

          7 years ago

          I suspect probably closer to $5M if they don’t include any prospects.

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        • stymeedone

          7 years ago

          Few AL teams have need of a DH and the few that do, can do much better than him from the remaining FAs, at a lower cost.

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        • Sheldon Bowen

          7 years ago

          Teams don’t like wasting spots on the only guys unless they can upgrade the offense more than marginally at best. The spot is used now to rest players for some teams. Think they need to Shell out the prospect.

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        • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

          7 years ago

          really though why pay Kemp 10m$/ year when you can have Logan Morrison for less and he’s way better or mark ryanalds for even cheeper

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  4. Zach725

    7 years ago

    I wouldn’t mind the Braves adding a guy like Neil Walker. He has a little bit of pop and can play 3rd base and would be a perfect platoon guy with camargo. Wouldn’t hurt to have a veteran hitter like that on a young team.

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    • MZ311

      7 years ago

      Neil Walker is not a platoon guy

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      • chino31

        7 years ago

        Walker to the yanks for a one year deal. He will likely end up like Drew.

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        • gofish 2

          7 years ago

          If Walker signs with the Braves, he will be traded to the Mets midseason a la Kelly Johnson. He will then sign with the Braves again next offseason,

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        • RunDMC

          7 years ago

          ATL received Akeel Morris, Rob Whalen and John Gant in those 2 KJ trades. Morris posted really nice RP numbers at the minors and a very small sample size with ATL (9K in 7.1 IP in ’17) — and looks to be a promising RP. Whalen was a trade piece to SEA (Alex Jackson), Gant to STL (Jaime Garcia) — so those KJ trades helped.

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      • tuckshop25

        7 years ago

        He should be

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  5. TradeAcuna

    7 years ago

    “team’s primary hope is that its young players emerge as ….”
    – since 2015

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    • Ichiro51

      7 years ago

      Just like everyone in baseball. Sometimes prospects do not work out. But you have to try them out.

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      • hiflew

        7 years ago

        But you shouldn’t have to try them exclusively. I think the ideal position player set up for a rebuilding team is 3 older (6+ years experience) vets, 3 younger (2-5 years experience) vets, and 2 rookies for starters, at least at the start of a season. Anything younger than that, you risk turning your fans off with the resemblance of a minor league roster. Any older shows you needed to work on your rebuild a little more.

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        • acerulli1

          7 years ago

          Not sure there is a perfect formula or recipe for how to field a ML lineup during a rebuild. Every rebuild is different.

          I do get your concern with fan frustration though. It it tedious to try to follow a ML team that looks and feels every bit of a AAA team at a ML price.

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        • outinleftfield

          7 years ago

          I don’t think either the Cubs or the Astros did that. Come to think of it, I don;t think the Royals did that either.

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        • Sheldon Bowen

          7 years ago

          Everyone wants the draft compensation and teams don’t want to give up draft compensation. Glad to see teams reset the market with the freeze. The repeat tax penalties cost a lot if you don’t win a championship.

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    • realgone2

      7 years ago

      Ah it’s this moron again

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  6. AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

    7 years ago

    Yes Giants should want to extend Kemp and no he shouldn’t let them.

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      7 years ago

      Extend Bumgarner*
      Why didn’t I get the edit window this time?

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      • Android Dawesome

        7 years ago

        I think the more important question is how did you make that mistake in the first place?

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          Because the thread talks about Kemp and how untradeable he is and I was thinking about how Braves fans were saying on here a year ago that they would get actual prospects for Kemp.

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        • RunDMC

          7 years ago

          A year ago was still the honeymoon phase and he was playing like a man possessed at times, including decent, but still below-avg OF. Combine that with him saying all the right things in the media, and Braves fans thought we’d actually get something for him like we have with other projects before. Now, the difference is that he was paid a hefty sum, but his play also predictably fell off back down. To illustrate he was worth a 1.2 oWAR in 56 games in 2016, while a 0.4 oWAR in 115 games in 2017. His defense went from a -1.5 in 56 games in 2016 to -2.2 in 115 in 2017. He didn’t stay in the condition he said he was going to be in, and the talk about ATL being his childhood team and how he’d be a new player was all talk. No, I didn’t think we’d ever get something decent for him, but I could see how many average ATL fans bought in.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          7 years ago

          His defense wasn’t just below average. It was absolutely atrocious. And he was being paid WAY more than he was worth. No one was ever going to give you actual prospects for him.

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        • GoGiantsGo

          7 years ago

          Right?

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  7. hammertime510

    7 years ago

    The A’s should go after Kemp. Have the Dodgers tack on Urias and Grandal and it’ll be a deal. I’d figure Moss, Joyce, Hendriks and Nunez would get the deal done.

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    • cplovespie

      7 years ago

      Lol go somewhere else with ur absurdity

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    • Kenleyfornia74

      7 years ago

      Dodgers didnt trade Urias for all star caliber players. They wont trade him to get rid of someone

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      • BlueSkyLA

        7 years ago

        This is true but it was also before his shoulder injury. He doesn’t have a lot of trade value at the moment.

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        • halos101

          7 years ago

          he would def have value if they wanted to trade him

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        • BlueSkyLA

          7 years ago

          Some value, just not a lot. The surgery on his shoulder wasn’t routine and does not have a predictable outcome. He is set to start a throwing program soon but not off a mound at least through spring training. He has basically become a lottery ticket instead of a top prospect.

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        • brewcrewer

          7 years ago

          No way can you discount him that much. He’s no longer a sure thing but still above average. Also, the dodgers aren’t gonna trade him when his value is this low, his upside makes it worth him being held onto.

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        • chesteraarthur

          7 years ago

          Prospects, especially pitching prospects, are always lottery tickets, and never sure things.

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        • sportsfan101

          7 years ago

          More prospects fail to hit expectations then those who reach or succeed them. Otherwise every game would be an all star game. Urias didn’t just have a bad year that your like ok he can fix his mechanics as above mentioned shoulder surgery to his extend can not determine a predictable outcome, and he hasn’t even started throwing yet and pitchers and catchers are due within the month. His value is straight huge risk huge reward. His talent is no longer the main factor as much as his health.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          7 years ago

          Not sure how much you think I am discounting him, but the reality is his return to the game is highly uncertain. The surgery he required isn’t like TJ. It has ended careers at least as often as it was successful. The somewhat encouraging news from when the surgery was performed was that the damage to his shoulder was less than feared. So that gives him a fighting chance, at least. But I agree, no reason for the Dodgers to trade him. He may be a lottery ticket but for better or worse, he’s their lottery ticket.

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        • juanpaolo

          7 years ago

          It wasn’t Tommy John you know

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    • 24TheKid

      7 years ago

      Check out MLB.com top prospects 2018 comments.

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    • Zach725

      7 years ago

      Why would the dodgers do that?

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        7 years ago

        Because Kemp’s trade value is so far underwater that that is the only way they will be able to move him! You said last May that the Braves wouldn’t trade him unless they got actual prospect in return and look what happened! What do you have to say for yourself?

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    • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

      7 years ago

      I don’t think any of the guys you were giving the Dodgers would make their 25-man. also if you think you’re getting urias even with his surgery your out of your mind lol

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    • juanpaolo

      7 years ago

      Let’s see you want the catcher ranked the best or the 4th best in baseball plus a pitcher that could be a star and you want to throw crap back … What are you smoking?

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  8. ssacaffrey

    7 years ago

    Package kemp with grandal, toles and a mid level prospect for Lowrie, Joyce and Hendriks. A’s take on salary but get a catcher who they need as well as a controllable outfielder and prospect and the dodgers get toles replacement a reliever who can go multiple innings with good underlying stats and Lowrie

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    • ssacaffrey

      7 years ago

      Just read hammertimes comment I like mine better. Urias will fizzle. Lack of commitment with no drive

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      • BlueSkyLA

        7 years ago

        Made his first MLB starts when he was 19 and blew out his shoulder when he was 20, and already you know he lacks commitment and drive? Wow I didn’t know you could buy a crystal ball at Harbor Freight. Which aisle?

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      • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

        7 years ago

        your package isn’t terrible but how would you know that about Urias? everything I’ve heard seems to say the exact opposite

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      • juanpaolo

        7 years ago

        And you know that how? A pitcher that killed it in the minors did pretty good in the Innings he pitched in the majors until he got hurt.. where do you get your information?

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    • Senioreditor

      7 years ago

      Not the worst I’ve hear…

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    • BlueSkyLA

      7 years ago

      The Dodgers have absolutely no use for either Joyce or Lowrie.

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      • hammertime510

        7 years ago

        Moss, Casilla, Phegley and Nunez for Kemp + 10 mil, Alvarez,and Grandal.

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        • hammertime510

          7 years ago

          The A’s should still make a play for Urias even if it may cost them Shore or someone of that caliber.

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        • aamatho18

          7 years ago

          You obviously like Urias a lot since you want Oakland to get him so bad. Ever thought maybe the Dodgers think the same thing and still have him as basically untouchable?

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        • BlueSkyLA

          7 years ago

          Give us your poor, your wretched, yearning to play for another team…

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        • hammertime510

          7 years ago

          Damn, right I do. You guys need to sign Darvish and I’m assuming the only way you get him is by dumping Kemp. You have to also remember this is Kershaws opt out year, if you guys fail to win now, he’ll be sporting a yankee cap in no time.

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        • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

          7 years ago

          not a chance you get Alvarez especially if the doctors are giving up money and taking on Moss and Cassias contract

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        • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

          7 years ago

          I don’t think they have some great need of Darvish, remember they were on all time great Pace without him. also they have the prospects to get someone at the deadline if needed

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        • juanpaolo

          7 years ago

          And where are the Yankees getting their money to do that? They don’t have the money to sign Darvish this year. Kershaw it’s a lifer in LA

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    • bigkempin

      7 years ago

      Why exactly would the Dodgers want a replacement for Toles when they’re overloaded with established MLB OF’ers and an MLB ready player in Verdugo? Or why would they want Lowrie when they have Forsythe, CT3, and Kike who can all play 2B? Friedman and Co. like pitching depth.

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  9. Padres Armchair GM

    7 years ago

    Lol at dodger fans who thought theyd get rid of kemp and his contract without offering a legit prospect or two.

    Nobody is taking the money owed to kemp unless the dodgers package talent to offset the cost of acquiring kemp.

    A team like the orioles, who could DH kemp, would have interest in pitching and OF

    Dodgers could offer verdugo outright for the orioles to take the entire contract given their abundance of OF. Dodger fans may not like that deal, but if im tbe Orioles its verdugo or bust to take kemps contract.

    Worse dodgers can say is no and keep the contract.

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    • BlueSkyLA

      7 years ago

      LOL if anyone actually said that.

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    • Kenleyfornia74

      7 years ago

      No one has said that. We all knew from the moment he came back it would be a pain in the @$s to trade him lol

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      • Padres Armchair GM

        7 years ago

        mlbtraderumors.com/2018/01/dodgers-notes-darvish-k…

        Look for the 20 something 30 something comment. There have been others on previous posts.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          7 years ago

          Nope, not there either.

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        • Padres Armchair GM

          7 years ago

          stache1968
          January 28, 2018
          When the Dodgers inquire about a possible trade all the teams ask for their top prospects then end up giving away the player the Dodgers ask about for nothing…hmmm And give up Buehler?! Lol! Kemp and a couple of #20 somethings or #30 somethings prospects yeah. Especially to an AL team in need of a DH

          It’s there. Thats how i was able to copy and paste the comment. Look for my comment and its not too far behind. Have to scroll a bit.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          7 years ago

          I’d read that already. Maybe you totally know what he meant by “a couple of #20 somethings or #30 somethings prospects,” but I can’t assume that I know. You have to search far and wide and then make assumptions just to come up a very thin justification for your statement. You should know the vast majority of the discussion was about and continues to be about what combination of cash and prospects or which bad contract swap would be required for the Dodgers to unload Kemp.

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        • ttinsley1434

          7 years ago

          Lol at Padres fans………well, because it’s the Padres.

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        • Padres Armchair GM

          7 years ago

          LOL search far and wide….on a post that happened like a week ago. Yeah definitely searched fsr and wide on an article from this website.

          Its ok, i hate admitting i was wrong too at times, esp when someone proves me wrong in front of people.

          But adults accept they were wrong, kids throw hissy fits when theyre embarrassed. Time to mature kiddo.

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        • juicemane

          7 years ago

          Have you seen the trash dodgers gm has actually traded for this offseason? Need to spend another 1.5 billion over another 6 years for same amounts of rings as us

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        • Padres Armchair GM

          7 years ago

          Also really? You dont know what they meant by “a couple of #20 somethings or #30 somethings prospects,”

          Well the word couple means more than one. Like two.

          And the # symbol means number. Like 1 2 3 4 5.

          And 20 something 30 something means
          20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 or higher.

          And the word prospect means a player in baseball in the minors who hasnt had enough service time to be a veteran.

          Really? Are you unable to count past how many fingers and toes you have kiddo? Is that what made it hard?

          You put it all together the person suggested itd take a couple low end prospects ranked in the 20s or 30s to unload kemps contract.

          That was just dumb to say you cant assume what they meant when its blatantly obvious.

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        • beeski

          7 years ago

          RE: “you don’t know what they meant?”

          top 20-something org prospects, or top 20-something MLB prospects?

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        • Padres Armchair GM

          7 years ago

          The commenter laughed at walker buehler being required to part with kemp who cirrently ranks 10-30 range depending on what list you use.

          So yeah doubt 20 something 30 something prospect in all of baseball was their argument considering they laughed at a prospect ranked in that range being included.

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        • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

          7 years ago

          but there’s still no way they give up one of their top five prospects just to get rid of Kemp salary I think maybe a couple guys in the teens in their system and kick in 13 million is the most they will offer and if no one takes no big deal they’re still the favorites in the nl

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    • aamatho18

      7 years ago

      To take Kemp’s contract would not involve Verdugo or any of their top 100 prospects. Any rebuilding team would take a solid B level prospect with some upside to take Kemp since most rebuilding teams have a lower level of payroll committed in the future.

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      • Padres Armchair GM

        7 years ago

        If that were the case kemp would be in a different uniform by now.

        Teams dont have to take kemps contract and most rebuilding teams have a good or great farm to where a b level prospect wouldnt be worth taking kemp when you have someone better. Point of taking kemp is to net a prospect they want. Not a prospect the dodgers feel hes worth.

        Cross off every NL and that leaves athletics, white sox, tigers, maybe rangers for DH.

        Point is, verdugo is blocked at the ML level. Any team thinking of kemp should start by asking for verdugo.

        If the dodgers dont meet the price then dodgers keep kemp. Which hurts the dodgers more than the other team not getting the prospect theyd want.

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        • bigkempin

          7 years ago

          How exactly is Verdugo blocked? Forsythe is a FA after this season and CT3 is a natural 2B/SS. He only went to the OF due to injuries and the fact that LA lost trust in Joc. Verdugo also played all 3 OF positions in the minors. He’s most valuable in CF due to his defense there. But LA could easily have an OF in 2019 of Verdugo LF, Joc CF(if he improves), Puig RF. Verudgo is only blocked for 1 more year. He has nothing left to prove in AAA but LA can easily stash him there until Sept or if an OF gets hurt.

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        • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

          7 years ago

          I think you’re greatly overstating the Dodgers need to get rid of them that you’d like to let them be just fine if they don’t. because of that there’s no need to offer someone like four to go or frankly anyone even close to that valuable if no one’s willing to take a mid-tier guy and they just hold on to them and go into the season with the best roster in the NL

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        • aamatho18

          7 years ago

          Exactly! Thank you!

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        • aamatho18

          7 years ago

          Pretty much elaborating on what password said. It’ll take a B prospect to get rid of Kemp because the Dodgers don’t need to get rid of him on a deal they do not like. They traded for him in the first place because it lessened the money they had on the books for this year while adding some money on the books next year. This year is crucial though because they can get under the tax line. If they truly wanted to dump Kemp, they easily could have done that by now by offering a higher prospect to it, but they know they don’t necessarily have to.

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      • Kslaw

        7 years ago

        That’s just dumb. If I’m the GM of a rebuilding team and I know the Dodgers need/want to move Kemp it is one of your top 3 and all the salary or nothing. I don’t need a B level prospect with you taking some of the money because I don’t need Kemp and that’s not who I’m trading for. I want a top tier prospect or you can keep the salary.

        I think the smart play for the Dodgers is just sit on Kemp and hope someone gets a more realistic mind set on it, but I do not see why the rebuilding teams would budge on wanting a top tier prospect to go along with the money.

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    • Solaris601

      7 years ago

      BAL would probably take Kemp and Ryu if LA also included Buehler. I know nobody wants to hear that, but the O’s most screaming need is in the rotation. Dodgers would get next to nothing back except salary relief, and it would take the inclusion of someone like Buehler to get rid of the albatross.

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      • connorreed

        7 years ago

        Ryu is making $7.8 million for one season. He’s not that much of a hinder (not to mention he was a serviceable back of the rotation arm last season).

        Walker Buehler is the ranked #13 in all of baseball by MLB.com and Baseball America. He is, without question, the number one prospect in the Dodgers system.

        There is a near zero chance of the Dodgers attaching him to get rid of a bad contract.

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      • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

        7 years ago

        the problem is that the Dodgers would just keep kemp and Buehler. Buehler has way more value than kemp has negative value. and it’s not even remotely close

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    • Pops

      7 years ago

      Yes, a team like the Orioles would be a good match for a trade. Agreed. Kemp is even good friends with Adam Jones.
      BUT, they’d have to trade Trumbo first. And the O’s have plenty of good Outfield prospects – they’d want pitching prospects.

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    • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

      7 years ago

      think about it though when is anyone acquired a legit Prospect in one of these dumps they all seem to be busts or marginal guys.

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    • juanpaolo

      7 years ago

      Are the Padres fielding a major league team this year?

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  10. Wildboyz

    7 years ago

    Orioles need pitching.
    Kemp and Font or another SP
    for prospects ?

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    • juicemane

      7 years ago

      Font is not good….and in camden…(shutters)

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  11. Deke

    7 years ago

    I gotta think the Kemp thing might end up as a game of chicken. Anyone who is interested in him might just wait and see if LA just releases him and then pick him up for league minimum.

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    • steelheader

      7 years ago

      Nobody wants Kemp. They want prospects attached to Kemp. Whoever receives him might even release him themselves.

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  12. Robertowannabe

    7 years ago

    And to think, when the Pirates trades a couple of prospects to get rid of a bad contract in Liriano, they were vilified but when the dodgers do it it is smart? Go figure…

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    • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

      7 years ago

      Go figure…

      I’ve decided to make a point of bashing the “fans” and yinzers less because ultimately they are just swallowing the BS the local media feeds them. It would be nice if read Fangraphs, but they don’t, so….it is what it is.

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      • Robertowannabe

        7 years ago

        Many of the yinzers are lemmings. The think the talking heads know all. They are just food at pushing the right buttons to get the fans to react. And call

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        • retire21

          7 years ago

          I believe that the vast majority realizes that the truth lies somewhere in between. Not everything is Nutting’s fault nor is he blameless. The “B Team” and the “Super Genius” are sometimes right, sometimes wrong. This site is not special; precious few who visit it wants to engage in reasoned, thoughtful, nuanced arguments. In that respect , just like local radio.

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    • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

      7 years ago

      I don’t think anyone on here thinks that doing that would be smart for the Dodgers unless they’re not giving out much value. also for the record neither of the guys Pirates gave out seem to be any good so maybe it wasn’t such a bad deal

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  13. RockHard

    7 years ago

    That guy can’t be serious about that Wilmer Font crap

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  14. dynamite drop in monty

    7 years ago

    Hearts and thoughts they fade. Fade away

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  15. JFactor

    7 years ago

    Love that Marlins article, great read

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  16. JrodFunk5

    7 years ago

    Is the Athletic no longer “highly recommended”????

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  17. southi

    7 years ago

    I surely didn’t think that I’d say it, but it has gotten to the point where I think Atlanta could actually sign Todd Frazier to a two year contract. Yes, I am fully aware that Austin Riley could be ready by September, but I’m also fully aware that Riley could struggle too, which would set his time frame back slightly.

    Frazier doesn’t cost a draft pick or other penalties, like Moustakas. Frazier also isn’t going to hurt you with his defense at third or first (in case Freddie gets hurt again). It is very possible that even if Riley exceeds expectations that the Braves could deal Frazier away (if his production approaches his career norms) either at the deadline or next off season. I’m just not convinced that the Braves are ready to enter the season with any of Rio Ruiz, Charlie Culberson and Johan Camargo regularly playing third.

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    • elmore80

      7 years ago

      I think Todd Frazier would really fit and hit behind FF. Maybe a RH hitter in LF would be a good move too.

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  18. tim815

    7 years ago

    Kemp makes sense.
    At league minimum.
    After the Dodgers release him.

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  19. Backatitagain

    7 years ago

    Well, If the Dodgers want to free up money to sign Darvish maybe the Braves will take back Matt Kemp. How about Matt Kemp, Alex Verdugo, Walker Beuhler and Edwin Rios for Nick Markakis, Jose Ramirez and Sam Freeman. Dodgers move under the luxury cap, save enough to sign Darvish, get one year of Markakis and two solid pre-arb relief pitchers and save $33 Million. Braves return Kemp contract, rookie outfielder, and two other prospects.

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    • socalbum

      7 years ago

      That trade would get Anthopoulos fired.

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      • socalbum

        7 years ago

        would also get Friedman fired. Bad trade all around.

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      • southi

        7 years ago

        I’m not so sure of that (a firing of AA). But the ONLY way that happens is if Liberty Media decides to bump payroll and kick Kemp to the curb.

        I don’t see that likely at all.

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      • Backatitagain

        7 years ago

        This trade would make AA a hero! Three top prospects, each almost or MLB ready, for $33 Million would totally recover from the International Free Agent scandal (That is the way I would sell it to ownership and fans). Now it may not be idea from Dodgers standpoint losing prospects but it does get them where they want to go financially and with Darvish for the coming years. The Braves would give Kemp away or DFA. Could probably get a taker if they paid $39-41MM with Kemp and they save 12 million on the players going West, reducing the cost per prospect to $9MM each. Dodgers move ahead of the Astros.

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    • realgone2

      7 years ago

      Yikes. That’s an awful idea

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    • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

      7 years ago

      Friedman would be shot on his way home from the office. just verdugo what being insane Overbay how to get rid of Kemp but you have it and also taking Markakis contract that’s ridiculous

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      • aamatho18

        7 years ago

        I’m from Minnesota and I would personally make sure Friedman gets fired if he didn’t laugh at AA on the phone for proposing such a trade.

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    • juanpaolo

      7 years ago

      Let’s see you want the best Dodger prospects? Really? Buehler the untouchable? Relax dude

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  20. juicemane

    7 years ago

    No rebuilding team is going to trade for kemp and font…yea lets just make up insane stupid ideas and make them “baseball articles” good job fangraphs…they want to get rid of kemp its going to cost them verdugo/buehler…and the farm system is middle of tge pack not “deep” thats almost as insane as that font trade bullsht

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    • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

      7 years ago

      those guys could bring back a young control starter why would they use from just to dump a contract

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  21. Sky14

    7 years ago

    Nobody is taking on Kemp for Wilmer Font.

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  22. socalbum

    7 years ago

    The other option for trading Kemp is to take back another bad contract that reduces 2018 payroll but total cost is more over several years. For example, Dodgers send Kemp’s 2 year, $43MM contract to the Royals for Ian Kennedy’s 3 year, $49MM. Dodgers reduce taxable payroll by $5.2MM in 2018 and 2019, but take a $16.5MM hit in 2020, but Hill’s $16MM AAV comes off books in 2020. Dodgers trade Ryu’s $7.9MM contract for prospects and Kennedy becomes Dodgers fifth starter. Dodgers decrease payroll by $13.1MM in 2018. Just one example as there are other bad contracts out there

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    • BlueSkyLA

      7 years ago

      Something like that might work but then we are only a couple weeks from camp opening and no trade of that kind has yet to materialize. Way back I suggested a straight bad contract swap with the Royals, Kemp for Alex Gordon. It doesn’t buy the Dodgers any real payroll flexibility though.

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    • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

      7 years ago

      that’s actually an interesting move that might actually happen more realistic than giving up one of their top five prospects

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  23. jonk

    7 years ago

    Dodgers happy when they got rid of Kemp. Now they want to do it again?

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    • juanpaolo

      7 years ago

      You do realize they got them back to get rid of three bad contracts right? Where you been?

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  24. thediesel4

    7 years ago

    If the Braves are serious about needing power, then they need to just sign Frazier already. He’s the only guy that makes sense. I’d sign him to a two year deal with year two holding most of the money (since we have already taken on a lot of payroll this season) with incentives for this season. I’d also start Lane Adams over kakis. I don’t see a reason to have Kakis playing everyday. Lane, at this point, is better all round with he exception of not being as disciplined at the plate.

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  25. Stuemke17

    7 years ago

    This wouldn’t be a problem if MLB could make it to a point where players were paid for what they do rather than what they did last season. Guaranteed money down to as low as 10-20% of what it is now (Around $5 being the highest guarantee anyone gets) with huge incentive bonuses. Contractual details would rely a lot more on players’ input rather than their agent simply getting them as much money as possible. Would you sign the potential $30m/year deal that would require you to win the triple crown or the potential $20m/year deal with incentive goals that actually line up with the player’s history and trends. It’s obviously a rough idea, but it would do away with this nonsense of teams paying players that can barely compete at a AA level eight digit salaries and transform a GM’s job into legitimately finding the right fit for each position rather than gambling.

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  26. citizen

    7 years ago

    Wilmer Font? Really? hes been in some system for 12 years and hardly cracked the majors. any team could have signed him twice a few years ago. not worth taking on $43 million in dead money.

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  27. ThatBallwasBryzzoed

    7 years ago

    Trade him when they are out of contention in July. Trade him 2 weeks before the deadline. That why if he’s traded to an AL team he can rep them. Mad Bum to the Yankees for Clint Frazier, Justus Sheffield,Chase Adams and one other.

    Just for fun of course. They can give him a better chance to win. More money and he’d excel in New York

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    • Solaris601

      7 years ago

      That would work for both sides only if SF as an organization accepts the reality that rebuilding sooner rather than later is their best course of action. An obstacle that’s just as big is the Giants’ deep attachment to their players. I think Evans would rather die than trade MadBum, Posey, Crawford, Belt, or Panik. I don’t think there are enough psychologists and psychiatrists in San Francisco to treat the fan base for PTSD after such a trade.

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      • connorreed

        7 years ago

        The other problem with the Giants starting a rebuild is the contracts they’ve handed out.

        Johnny Cueto (4 years, $23.08 AAV), Jeff Samardzija (3, $19.80), Brandon Belt (4, $17.20), Mark Melancon (3, $17.76), and Brandon Crawford (4, $15.20) have little or no surplus value. In order to get solid prospect hauls, they would need to eat quite a bit of cash.

        There is no market for Panik (a 1 WAR second baseman). Posey is obviously a highly sought player, but he’s making almost $22 million each of the next four seasons. Bumgarner is the only player who would easily bring back a huge prospect haul.

        Plus, Melancon, Posey, and Crawford have full no-trade protection and Samardzija, Crawford, and Belt have limited no-trade protection.

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  28. Aoe3

    7 years ago

    Instead of Kemp and a Dodger prospect, how about Morales and Bo Bichette from the Jays? Seems like a better option to me. Its been reported the Jays are willing to offer Bichette if they take on the Morales contract.

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    • Kenleyfornia74

      7 years ago

      Sounds far fetched. If they offered Bichette to take on Morales a team easily would jave budged already

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    • connorreed

      7 years ago

      They were willing to package Bichette and Morales in a deal with YELICH. .

      That isn’t even close to a Bichette/Morales salary dump. The Blue Jays will not trade a top ten prospect in baseball unless they are getting a significant player back.

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    • Chris Sale Amateur Tailor

      7 years ago

      the shot has way more value then where else is dead money and it’s not even remotely close try to look at the back half of their top 10 at best

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  29. Dale Turner

    7 years ago

    It doesn’t matter who the Braves put on the field. Snitker is an idiot. The Braves haven’t had a decent manager since Joe Torre. Cox and that nutcase that followed him couldn’t manage a 1 pump gas station. J.S gave Cox the best team in baseball for 15 years. If I had that team I could phone in the lineup and go to bed, and they would win 100 games. If they had had a decent manager during all that time they would have won at least 4-5 more pennants and a couple of more W.S. titles.

    Snitker uses a 100 pitch count, and then pulls guys after 77 pitches no matter how well he is pitching. The Braves lose 1-0 and use 6 pitchers. Then they complain about the bullpen being overworked. And this year they are going with an 11 man bullpen. That should give us some idea of what to expect.

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    • Cashford64

      7 years ago

      Bobby Cox was a horrible manager? Never heard that one before.

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      • acmeants

        7 years ago

        I kind of agree on Cox. He was given a great team and still managed to squander chances with cockamamie decisions. There were many times when I wondered when the Braves would fire the squirrel. BTW, I’m a longtime Braves fan.

        On the subject of Kemp, I thought he did a decent job for the Braves when he was in the lineup. He is now a bigger liability, so the Dodgers won’t be able to do much other than release him. Don’t think that they would waste a valuable bench spot on him and I imagine most other teams are of a like mind.

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  30. Gary Rogers

    7 years ago

    Trade with Marlins////Newcombe,Jackson,Demeritte and Wisler for Realmuto and Prado.

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  31. GoGiantsGo

    7 years ago

    A buttload of FA And NO NEWS with six days until Pitchers and Catchers report????????
    WTF?

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