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7 Teams Have Made Offers For Manny Machado

By Connor Byrne | July 8, 2018 at 12:38pm CDT

SUNDAY: The Dodgers and Brewers are at the forefront of the Machado derby, and the Indians are also “in the mix,” Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic tweets.

SATURDAY: It’s possible Manny Machado’s tenure with the Orioles will come to an end as early as this weekend, according to the Baltimore Sun’s Eduardo A. Encina, who reports that seven teams have made offers for the soon-to-be free agent. The Dodgers have put forth the most enticing proposal, Encina hears, with the Diamondbacks, Brewers, Phillies, Braves, Indians and Cubs (in that order) coming in behind them. But the offers are “very close” in value, per Encina, so any of those other six clubs could leapfrog Los Angeles to land Machado prior to the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline.

Roch Kubatko of MASNSports.com passes along slightly different information than Encina, suggesting the Indians are currently in last place among the previously mentioned seven teams in the race for Machado. Cleveland has made an offer, Kubatko reports, but a source tells him other clubs are “more active” in the sweepstakes. Interest in Machado goes beyond the seven teams mentioned, Kubatko adds, as several others have at least “checked in” on him.

It “seems unlikely” Baltimore will deal Machado this weekend, Encina writes, but it’s all but guaranteed to happen sometime this month. After all, the Orioles (24-64) own the majors’ worst record, and they’ll either have to trade the 26-year-old Machado in the next three-plus weeks or watch him leave for draft-pick compensation in free agency. The superstar shortstop/third baseman is sure to reel in one of the richest contracts in the history of the sport once he hits the open market, and he has helped his future earning power by batting a healthy .310/.381/.560 with 21 home runs and nearly as many walks (40) as strikeouts (50) in 375 plate appearances this season.

If the Dodgers are the team that upgrades at short with Machado this summer, it may come at the expense of either outfield prospect Alex Verdugo or young pitcher Yadier Alvarez. The Orioles have shown interest in both of those farmhands – two of the finest talents in the minors – though the Dodgers’ offers so far have not included either player, Encina relays, and Kubatko writes that LA has not made Verdugo available. Considering their wealth of offensive talent, it’s arguable the Dodgers won’t even need Machado as they seek a sixth straight National League West title and a second consecutive NL pennant. But acquiring him would still be a boon to them and a blow to the rival Diamondbacks, who lead LA by one game in the NL West and haven’t gotten high-end production from their shortstops this year.

Like the D-backs, none of the Brewers, Phillies or Braves have fared well at short. The Indians and Cubs have, on the other hand. But Machado could be a third base solution for the Indians, who have the great Francisco Lindor at short and would be able to shift fellow superstar Jose Ramirez from the hot corner to second base to make room for Machado. In doing so, the Tribe would presumably relegate struggling second baseman Jason Kipnis to a bench role. The Cubs, meanwhile, have an impressive-looking setup at second (Javier Baez), short (Addison Russell) and third (the currently injured Kris Bryant), so it’s unclear where Machado would fit, though there has long been speculation about Russell going to Baltimore in a deal. However, Russell is under affordable control through 2020 and would be a lot to give up for a rental player – albeit one who’d serve as an upgrade for a Chicago team which trails NL Central-leading Milwaukee by 1 1/2 games.

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  1. BaltoBaseball0520

    3 years ago

    Just curious, anyone know what happens if he’s traded before the all star game?

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    • LetsGetRickarded

      3 years ago

      He suits up in AL gear but cannot play for them IIRC

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      • brewfan27

        3 years ago

        same thing happened to Jeff Samardzija
        in 2014

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    • benfiorica

      3 years ago

      he is ineligible to play but will be recognized as an all star at the game

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      • 2012orioles

        3 years ago

        Would he count as the Orioles player? Or would another representative be selected?

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        • bravesandcrewfan

          3 years ago

          I think so… But I could be wrong. He’s the only fit rep, that’s for sure.

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        • benfiorica

          3 years ago

          i’m pretty sure another there would not be another orioles player required

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        • Brandon Sans

          3 years ago

          He’d be the Orioles representative. When Shark was dealt from Cubs to A’s he dressed in the ASG Jersey. I don’t know if that’s the rule, or if that was a player’s/team decision. Wonder if Machado would represent Baltimore one more time as a nod to the fans.

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        • lonestardodger

          3 years ago

          Samardzija was the Cubs only allstar in 2014 and he wore the AL HRD/ASG uniform in the AL dugout and was ineligible to play

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        • breckdog

          3 years ago

          I am not sure if he counts as a team rep. I know jeff samardzjia was dressed in a generic nl uniform. He was currently an al player but was elected as an nl all star.

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      • Adam6710

        3 years ago

        What if he is traded to an AL team– the Indians, for example?

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        • Mr. MacPhisto

          3 years ago

          We won’t know officially until Sunday but Machado had a big lead (123,ooo votes) over the Astros Carlos Correa as the voting came to a close earlier this week. If Machado’s lead holds and he is traded to an American League club prior to the ASG he would be the starting AL shortstop and represent his new club even if that team (like the Indians) named him their new starting third baseman.

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    • andrewgauldin

      3 years ago

      I remember this being an issue with Jeff Samardzija when he was dealt to Oakland. But I don’t remember what happened

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      • brewfan27

        3 years ago

        he was recognized as an all star but could not play

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      • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

        3 years ago

        This was total bs. He was an all star traded before the all star game. And wasnt allowed to play for the ALL

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        • wrigleywannabe

          3 years ago

          You’ll think that until he goes to your team and gets hurts repping another

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    • hiflew

      3 years ago

      Nothing will happen if he is traded to an AL team, he’ll play just like he would have otherwise. If he goes NL, he will probably just be in uniform like Samardzija in 2014. Although they may change it since the game is back to being just an exhibition. It won’t hurt anything for fans to be allowed to see Machado to play on either side.

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      • RytheStunner

        3 years ago

        Wrong. He’s ineligible to play in the game. He’d suit up in a generic AL jersey and would be recognized as an All-Star with the Orioles, but could not play.

        Same happened with Samardzija. He suited up and was recognized as an NL All-Star, but he was not allowed to play.

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        • EndinStealth

          3 years ago

          With Shark the game “counted”. Its just an exhibition again. It would be dumb to sit him. Especially since he will be voted in.

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        • RytheStunner

          3 years ago

          Those are the rules. If you’re traded to another league before the deadline, you’re ineligible to play.

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        • hiflew

          3 years ago

          Yes, and that is why I used the words “may change it” BTW, starting out a comment with the word wrong is an unpleasant way to talk to someone and kinda makes you look like a jerk.

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    • MaverickDodger

      3 years ago

      I don’t know the up to date answer because all of the responses are true. It’s just that with Shark, the game decided the Home Field during the World Series. So maybe they could be flexible and allow Manny to play should be be dealt to an NL team before the AllStar Game

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    • MatthewWHall

      3 years ago

      Cliff Lee was traded from Seattle to Texas on July 1, 2010 and he suited up in the ASG as a Ranger.

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    • msjrn509

      3 years ago

      STILL GOES UNDER NEW TEAM

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  2. CaseysPartner

    3 years ago

    Beat writer BS.

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    • jbaker3170

      3 years ago

      Because you know more than them, right?? Then shine your knowledge on us all oh wise one

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    • JKB

      3 years ago

      Oh Casey so tell us how that is wrong

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    • frankiegxiii

      3 years ago

      Well it was reported in more than one article that the Dodgers offered Verdugo, Alvarez, and Heredia for Machado and in this report it says that neither Verdugo or Alvarez has been offered for Machado, it would be extremely hard for both those reports to be accurate

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    • CaseysPartner

      3 years ago

      “Roch Kubatko…. passes along slightly different information than Encina, suggesting the Indians are currently in last place ”

      So the plot thickens.

      Did these two beat writers team up together to “rate the offers” or was the rating of offers performed by their “source”?

      Was a Fangraphs type metric of expected future WAR used to rate the offers?

      Enquiring minds want to know.

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      • TrimReaper

        3 years ago

        Casey has a valid point there. If beat writers can team up to cover up the rampant steroid use in the 90’s they can certainly “team up” to make this up.

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        • Mattimeo09

          3 years ago

          Yeah I’m sure it only took two writers to cover up the Steroid Rise right?

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      • gson

        3 years ago

        The Indians have made it clear.. Francisco Mejia, the O’s # 1 target, is off the table.. The Indians should be in last place as this kid is a flat out hitting machine that would transform the catching spot for the O’s from one of their worst spots to one of their best.. Mejia is under control for six years as well.. Think of Gleyber with the tools *arm, feet, bat) to play catcher..

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  3. dbacksrs

    3 years ago

    Come to Arizona.

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    • bhambrave

      3 years ago

      He can come to Arizona… on September 6th, when the Braves come to town.

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      • layercake

        3 years ago

        Good god no.

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      • bbritton209

        3 years ago

        No don’t want him this year. Go after him in the off season. I need in over paying for. Rental. Stay the course

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  4. 2012orioles

    3 years ago

    Hopefully Dodgers and dbacks get in a bidding war against each other. I think having Manny could be the difference in winning the division.

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    • angelsfan4life412

      3 years ago

      I hope Arizona gets him and they win the division

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      • wiggysf

        3 years ago

        I hope AZ gets him and my Giants win the division. But if I had to choose, yeah screw the Dodgers

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  5. Kevin M Lynn

    3 years ago

    Cmon Brewers

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    • tim815

      3 years ago

      Hiura as an Orioles DH. Cool.

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    • bravesandcrewfan

      3 years ago

      I don’t wanna give up keston unless it’s for degrom or syndergaard. He has too much potential for a rental. I’d be OK with seeing burnes go, but I really wanna keep freddy Peralta and keston Hiura unless they’re for a controllable big name. Hot take, freddy is in our playoff rotation.

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      • mackows2

        3 years ago

        no way Hiura gets traded for a rental, even if its Machado.
        Burnes, Ray, and lower level PTBNL

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        • mackows2

          3 years ago

          meant to put Arcia in there as well.

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        • Joe Kerr

          3 years ago

          That’s too much for a rental

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        • augold5

          3 years ago

          They’re not trading Arcia for a rental, who would they play at SS next year?

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        3 years ago

        Keston+ what other players to get deGrom or Syndergaard, cause it’s gonna take a huge package.

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        • kgreene3

          3 years ago

          Machado is not coming to Milwaukee, Stearns won’t give up that much for a 3-4 month rental. He’s much smarter than that.

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        • mackows2

          3 years ago

          what are you considering “too much”? Or are you one of those who likes to hoard prospects. Tell me, who was the last Brewers prospect to come up and be an above average contributor. (drafted by and developed in Brewers minors). Braun?
          Are you still bitter about giving up Michael Brantley to get CC? Or think Greinke wasnt worth Cain, Jeffress, Escobar, and Odorizzi?

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        • hiflew

          3 years ago

          Smart is in the eye of the beholder. Machado or another “rental” will be the difference between winning the division and having to play in a single game playoff.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          3 years ago

          I was answering to bravesandcrewfan. Why are you bringing up Machado when my post was about what it would take to get deGrom and Syndergaard?

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        • bravesandcrewfan

          3 years ago

          Keston+Burnes+top 10 org +top 20 org likely. And the only trade I currently regret now is losing Segura for chase. Chase is great, but our situation would be so much clearer if Segura was our shortstop.

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        • 11Bravo

          3 years ago

          Jimmy Nelson, Khris Davis, Jonathon Lucroy, and Scooter Gennett were all drafted and developed by the Brewers. Not to mention the 4 you listed above.
          As far as hoarding prospects I think fans are just disappointed to see the Royals make two WS and the Brewers only make the NLCS after that trade. I thought it was a great trade as these windows of opportunity can close anytime.

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        • kgreene3

          3 years ago

          I’d love to see him come to Milwaukee but Stearns wants longer control from his deals. This team is already the best team in the NL so I can see them making a handful of moves but not for Manny. From what I’ve read their asking price is insane.

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        • BrandonGregory74

          3 years ago

          FWIW the Brewers let Gennett go for nothing essentially. While they may develop guys well that was a bad decision.

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        • kgreene3

          3 years ago

          Villar out played Gennett for the job

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      • tim815

        3 years ago

        You realize nobody’s flipping a useful starter for Brett Phillips and Desi Orimoloye, right?

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        • bravesandcrewfan

          3 years ago

          No, but I don’t want a useful starter for Phillips and orimoloye. Those would be side pieces plus ray or burnes or something for Machado or those 3+hiura for degrom.

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        • Phattey

          3 years ago

          They would trade a starter for them, better to get something for a player that’s leaving rather than get nothing at all

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  6. Solaris601

    3 years ago

    If I was Theo Epstein I’d go ahead and make that deal sending Addison Russell to BAL for Machado. If CHC doesn’t retain Machado beyond this season it won’t be difficult or expensive for them to sign a SS who can give them similar or better production than Russell.

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    • Cubbie75

      3 years ago

      no

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    • kyleschwarbersmom

      3 years ago

      Hell no!

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    • cubbie991@gmail.com

      3 years ago

      Machado is a liability defensively at short. He is dead last for shortstops in defensive runs saved. Any idea who is #1 in all of baseball in defensive runs saved at short? That’s right, Addison Russell. Plus batting over .270 and under control until 2020. Its a no brainer. Keep Russell and go after Harper in the off season.

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      • Priggs89

        3 years ago

        Nobody is going to pay Heyward $20M+ per year as a free agent. He’s not opting out unless he absolutely hates playing in Chicago. So where are you playing Harper?

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        • bravesandcrewfan

          3 years ago

          Trade Heyward and eat contract and be crippled for years, but they may get good prospects.

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        • Rondon

          3 years ago

          Heyward has been killing it for the last month. Still, no one will take on that contract. There is no trading Tucker at this point.

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    • RytheStunner

      3 years ago

      The Cubs don’t need an offensive upgrade, they lead the NL in runs scored.

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    • Djones246890

      3 years ago

      Better production? He’s hitting .282. He probably deserves to be an All-Star.

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  7. brewcrewbernie

    3 years ago

    As a Brewer fan I want Machado, but I also don’t. Definitely not if we have to give up Keston Hiura.

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  8. Ironman_4life

    3 years ago

    Does manny put the dodgers back in the ws?

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    • sidewinder11

      3 years ago

      The NL is wide open this year so it’s possible. I can’t imagine it’d be enough to beat any of the AL powerhouses though unless Kershaw comes back at 100% and the bullpen figures it out

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  9. dgrfns

    3 years ago

    Still dont know why Dodgers want him. Taylor’s WAR at SS is much higher than Machado. I think O’s are throwing Dodger’s in there to try and drive up the price. I mean who sits in LA to let Machado play?

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    • Kenleyfornia74

      3 years ago

      Easy. Forsythe will have to go back in any Machado trade for finacial reasons. Shift Taylor to 2B. Machado plays SS

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      • dgrfns

        3 years ago

        If Forsythe were the starter at 2B that would make sense but Muncy is. Are you gonna sit Muncy?

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        • RytheStunner

          3 years ago

          Muncy has played a grand total of 8 games at 2B this year. He’s played the large majority of his games at 1B.

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        • dgrfns

          3 years ago

          Roberts named Muncy the starter at 2b this week. If Muncy plays 1b then Bellinger goes to CF and Pederson sits. Kike can’t crack the lineup and his WAR is equal to Manny.

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        • Kenleyfornia74

          3 years ago

          Muncy 1B. Bellinger CF

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    • BlueSkyLA

      3 years ago

      Taylor can play practically anywhere.

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      • dgrfns

        3 years ago

        Taylor can play anywhere. Machado can’t. Who sits to let Manny play?

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        • bravesandcrewfan

          3 years ago

          Forsythe

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        • BlueSkyLA

          3 years ago

          Good choice, and a fair bet he is traded if the Dodgers get Machado.

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          3 years ago

          The Dodgers are so versatile to be honest it doesn’t really matter. If they traded for Machado, which I don’t personally see, they’ll still mix and match. It’s not like they have 8 guys that they write in everyday no matter what. It’d allow them to give Kemp more days off. Same with Turner. It’d probably mean they sit Puig v LH’s. Taylor’s moves to 2nd. Muncy 1st. Bellinger to the OF. It would protect from potential regression from Kemp/Muncy. And usually the old saying goes things tend to work themselves out.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          3 years ago

          Yeah, the Dodgers are such a moveable feast we can debate endlessly about who plays where if they got Machado, and nobody is wrong or right unless and until it happens and those decisions are made. I’m not totally convinced they need him either but I think the FO has to also think about the consequences of him going to Arizona. For sure he’s be an impact bat in the middle of the order no matter where he goes but for the Dodgers at least the defensive alignment doesn’t demand him since they can play that five different ways and they all have their merits.

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  10. left

    3 years ago

    Machado will be a Brewer.

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    • angelsfan4life412

      3 years ago

      I think Degrom will be a brewer

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    • norcalblue

      3 years ago

      I hope so.

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  11. xabial

    3 years ago

    “Wow, the talks are for real this time? 7 more than I thought they had.”

    Just kidding ;)

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    • murphy

      3 years ago

      DO YOU HAVE A LIFE?

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      • xabial

        3 years ago

        My bet is, he doesn’t get traded. I honestly believe Machado situation is going to be butchered from the top. No evidence, gut feeling. Easy on the caps.

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        • murphy

          3 years ago

          Your mom was here.

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        • dorfmac

          3 years ago

          no evidence? how about 20 years of angelos ownership and bungling trades. no one should be surprised if your prediction is correct, but there’s plenty of evidence as to why.

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        • niched

          3 years ago

          The Os made very good trades when MacPhail was GM. Seems to be easier to make good trades when running a team that isn’t competitive

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  12. hiflew

    3 years ago

    If there are that many offers, I guarantee you there will be some people here very surprised at the package going back to the Orioles. The more offers means the higher price. He’s gonna end up getting dealt for a Francisco Mejia type prospect led package. This is not going to be a JD Martinez cheap deal where it’s really only one team bidding.

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    • Polish Hammer

      3 years ago

      No way Mejia leaves Cleveland in this short rental with no hope of resigning Manny.

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      • agentx

        3 years ago

        If BAL handles negotiations properly (and I know that’s a big if), CLE may be enticed to include Mejia if BAL threw in some other enticement, such as taking back Kipnis and that contract, or maybe even expanding the deal to include Mejia+ from CLE for Machado and Britton.

        As others have pointed out, the Baltimore FO probably is not capable of that savvy a negotiation. But it is remotely possible.

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      • hiflew

        3 years ago

        Yes there is a way if BAL plays it correctly. Mejia was traded for “rental” Jonathan Lucroy until he vetoed the deal, so it’s not like they would NEVER trade him. Besides, I didn’t say Mejia specifically, I said a “Mejia-type” prospect meaning a top 20 prospect + some. Could be Soroka from the Braves or Luzardo from the A’s or a Sixto Sanchez from the Phils. If it starts looking like the Braves are going to get Machado, the Phils would be stupid to not offer Sanchez to not only get him, but to keep him off the Braves. Same with the Dodgers and Verdugo. It’s not only about getting him for 3+ months, it is about not letting your rival get him for the same 3+ months. A division title is more valuable than ANY prospect.

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        • Polish Hammer

          3 years ago

          Traded two years ago in A ball and far from where he is today. Traded for what they thought was the missing piece, not a player that plays two positions, that are filled by two of the best players in all of baseball. Traded for a guy they could extend, not a contract they could never ever offer. So other than that it’s all the same…

          And teams that trade mega pieces just to spite rivals are just plain dumb.

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        • Burgeezy

          3 years ago

          Lucroy had 1 and a half years left, Machado does not. You’re not comparing apples to apples

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        • hiflew

          3 years ago

          I got mixed up thinking about the Lucroy trade last year. Regardless, half a year of Machado is probably worth a year and a half of Lucroy.

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        • hiflew

          3 years ago

          You are taking what I wrote down the wrong path bub. They are not trading to spite anyone. They are trading to keep them off the rival team. If you are Arizona, would you rather play the Dodgers with Machado or without Machado? The only way to ensure he doesn’t go to LA is get him yourself. Then you help yourself AND hurt them. You are not spiting anyone.

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        • californiatribesman

          3 years ago

          It wasn’t just LuCroy that the Indians were after: there were bullpen players they targeted as well..

          BTW: Loved how that turned out for the liar. If you don’t want to play in Cleveland, just say so. Don’t make up some ridiculous excuse that everyone can see through..

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        • usafcop

          3 years ago

          The Orioles already have Chance Sisco waiting at catcher….not sure Mejia is what they need most….

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        • redrooster

          3 years ago

          I doubt whether Chance Sisco and his .625 OPS would block anyone from getting regular playing time.

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        • Polish Hammer

          3 years ago

          That is trading to spite the rival, same difference. You don’t give up a Kings ransom to keep a guy away from a rival; good way to set your organization back a lot.

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        • mackows2

          3 years ago

          lucroy wasnt a 3.month rental as he had another full year under contract

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        • jbigz12

          3 years ago

          I doubt chance sisco is a finished product as a rookie. Might want to think twice about writing him off.

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  13. c1234

    3 years ago

    Brewers needs to get a pitcher…not machado seriously if they get a stud pitcher they will win the division there offense will always be there.

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    • Polish Hammer

      3 years ago

      And Cleveland needs to go after a reliever and then an OF bat, not this guy.

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    • smooveb330

      3 years ago

      “There [sic] offense will always be there”?? They’re ninth in the NL in runs scored and they’ve been shut out 11 times, lots of room to improve that offense.

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  14. Mr. MacPhisto

    3 years ago

    I can’t see the Cubs winning the Machado sweepstakes, especially in light of The Epsteins latest revelation that the club is not looking to add position players or offense as the summer trade deadline approaches. The Cubs need pitching first and foremost, be it an impacting southpaw reliever like Brad Hand or a starting pitcher to replace Tyler Chatwood and/or insurance for injured head case Yu Darvish.

    Either way, the Cubs will likely need to part with a talented young player or two from their active MLB roster in order to acquire a formidable pitcher this summer with a farm system already depleted by prior trades and promotions, the season ending injury to #1 prospect RHP Adbert Alzolay and the recent suspension of it’s #3 talent in RHP Oscar De La Cruz.

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    • c1234

      3 years ago

      The whole cubs farm system for machado wouldn’t be enough I agree some mlb pieces would have to go Baltimore’s way but I don’t see cubs as a great fit

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      • c1234

        3 years ago

        In my opinion the dodgers have the best shot

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      • redrooster

        3 years ago

        O’s shouldn’t even be targeting MLB pieces at this point. They need low guys with upside.

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      • Cubbie Steve

        3 years ago

        Funny and ignorant

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    • Cubbie Steve

      3 years ago

      Yeah it doesn’t really make sense with 4-6 starting caliber OFers and a full infield.

      I just don’t see Russell for 2-3 months of Machado. But if Russell doesn’t leave, Machado slots in at 3B and Bryant goes to the OF.

      Then the OF picture looks like this: Bryant, Schwarber, Almora, Happ, Heyward, and Zobrist.

      The IF: Machado, Russell, Baez, Bryant, Zobrist, Happ, Rizzo.

      I don’t see more than one of those guys leaving without pitching thrown in as well.

      But I also don’t think the Cubs bump Chatwood from the rotation. I think he deserves to be, but I don’t think they do it. Have no clue how the Darvish stuff ends either, but my view of rotation improvements is bleak right now.

      My guess on the Cubs offer is something like Montgomery, Maples, Bote, Caratini….maybe Happ.

      Everybody would like Machado’s bat. Not sure about his defense. And definitely don’t care for any kind of hefty price tag for a 2-3 month rental.

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      • Rondon

        3 years ago

        I agree that the Cubs need pitching. Not Machado. But I find it really hard to believe they’d trade Montgomery. They need him badly at this point.

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  15. Paul Heyman

    3 years ago

    Just watch him be a marlin by the deadline. Jk Machado will either stay or be on a contending team that loses in the first or second round.

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  16. redrooster

    3 years ago

    Still convinced he isn’t traded

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    • Michael Chaney

      3 years ago

      It wouldn’t surprise me if the Orioles manage to botch this

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      • Solaris601

        3 years ago

        I actually would be shocked if they DIDN’T botch it, and that’s no commentary on the front office. I could see the FO putting together the best deal possible, and Angelos vetoes it at the last minute.

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        • redrooster

          3 years ago

          I can see that too. Like maybe the “best deal possible” comes from the Yankees and Angelos vetoes it because he doesn’t want to trade their best player to the Yankees even though that would hurt the Yankees a lot more because they would lose Machado after the season and have to trade impact prospects then face those impact prospects playing for a division rival for potentially the next decade.
          PS: I don’t see the Yankees trading for Machado. Their infield is gold as it is.

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  17. azmacky

    3 years ago

    If Baltimore really wants a nice return on him do it now. The longer teams wait the less I would offer. Baltimore F O is really messed up.

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  18. raytown17

    3 years ago

    Does anyone here think Machado will go to the Phillies?

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    • redrooster

      3 years ago

      In free agency, possibly. In trade, no.

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    • shelteredsoxfan

      3 years ago

      Depends on who you ask. 99% of MLBTR commenters will say no, but Casey’s Partner will tell you otherwise

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    • Priggs89

      3 years ago

      I don’t think it’s that farfetched. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them make JP Crawford available, and he’s probably the “best” (aka highest rated) prospect they can get for a Machado rental. I don’t think his value is anywhere near what it once was, but maybe they can convince Baltimore he’s still a great prospect. Even if Machado doesn’t resign in Philly, I don’t think they’ll end up missing Crawford too much in the long run.

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      • berteuthis

        3 years ago

        I can’t see them essentially giving up on Crawford after 163 MLB at-bats.
        For two months of Machado, I think the Phillies would need controllable players included..

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        • Polish Hammer

          3 years ago

          I could see it in the sense they get him in there early and hope he likes it enough to resign on a new deal.

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  19. Niekro

    3 years ago

    I think people are way over reacting with Swanson hes been one of the best defensive SS this year and actually leads guys like Simmons in DRS

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    • ffjsisk

      3 years ago

      If Swanson is leading Andrelton Simmons in any defensive stat, I’m not trusting it.

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      • Niekro

        3 years ago

        You dont trust DRS? Is this site just full of brain dead trolls now?

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        • ffjsisk

          3 years ago

          Andrelton Simmons gets to more balls than any shortstop in baseball. If you are telling me that you think Dansby is a better defender than Simmons than you sir, are the brain dead troll.

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  20. itslonelyatthetrop

    3 years ago

    Trade him to the Eagles for Nick Foles. Oh, wait- wrong thread.

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  21. Bill Smith

    3 years ago

    IMO, seems like a strategic leak to try to get the Dbacks to up their offer. Their need and desire to acquire Machado is much greater than any other team mentioned. I still say the Dodgers win the division even if the Dbacks land Machado. Hope Machado stays healthy while the O’s carry out the public bartering the next few weeks.

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  22. inkstainedscribe

    3 years ago

    Swanson could be the main piece heading to Baltimore. Camargo moves to SS and Manny plays 3B. Or Machado gets his wish, plays SS, and Camargo stays at 3B.

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    • bhambrave

      3 years ago

      I don’t think Swanson would be in a deal for Machado, but it makes some sense. Next year Camargo could play SS and Riley could play 3B, or they could sign a FA SS or 3B. Baltimore would prefer a good SP prospect to Swanson.

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    • ffjsisk

      3 years ago

      Swanson should be the main piece. But the longer he struggles, the less anyone wants him.

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  23. fomeols

    3 years ago

    Machado is a terrible Shortstop, but a magnificent third baseman. It’s amazing how big a difference there is.
    Id like to see Manny in AZ, but the DBacks don’t have anything to offer except the injured Duplantier.
    The Orioles’ insistence on two “MLB-Ready pitchers” is going to come back to bit them in the butt. No one is going to pay that.

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  24. Sky14

    3 years ago

    Is Alvarez still considered one of the “.. finest talents in the minors“? He seems to have completely fallen apart since last year.

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    • jbigz12

      3 years ago

      +1. Guy has no control. To put him in the same sentence as verdugo really surprises me.

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      • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

        3 years ago

        Idk maybe I’m different in the evals of players. Verdugo is a very good player. I’m not sure if he’s a first division regular in cf. He’s more so a corner guy that lacks power. I feel like he’ll have a pretty good career just not sure he’s an elite talent. What I do believe is he’s not in the Seager or Bellinger tiers. Alvarez well he makes sense if you believe in his stuff. The issue becomes if he’s you believe in him as a SP. I think to be honest his stuff falls into the area where you can wait it out to see if he shakes as a SP or you decide his stuff is so special his value is as a backend guy. There’s something to be said about potential ceilings. Verdugo is somewhat a lower ceiling higher floor and Alvarez is a higher ceiling lower floor as a SP. So is Alvarez one of the finest talents? Depends on your point of view and how you value positions and upside. The Dodgers don’t really value non elite SP arms/potential pen arms. I think as a Dodgers fan it’s safe to say both will get traded. I don’t think Verdugo fits in the NL West and Alvarez seems to be a logical flip as the Dodgers will be looking at a roster crunch come this offseason. But really Verdugo is the Dodgers most tradeable chip.Do I believe Alvarez is a top talent? I think he’s a potential guy as a closer/back end pen role. I just cringe if you try to develop him as a SP.

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    • Cam

      3 years ago

      To be completely honest, I think both Verdugo and Alvarez are overrated as prospects anyway – and I’m a proud Dodgers fan.

      Alvarez has one thing going for him – a fluid 100mph fastball. Problem is, he has no idea where it’s going, and his only decent secondary pitch is as wild as the rest. He’s a long way from contributing in the big leagues.

      As for Verdugo, the hit tool is there, but no real power projection, no speed, and no elite glove in the outfield. Plus huge questions around his makeup and coachability.

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      • BlueSkyLA

        3 years ago

        If the Dodgers are going to give up one of them, at this point, I’d rather it be Alvarez. Hard throwers are becoming a dime a dozen, while real pitchers are becoming scarce. Verdugo at least is ready to play in the majors, which at a minimum makes him valuable as OF depth or a 4th.

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        • TrimReaper

          3 years ago

          The emergence of Muncy has had to have changed the perspective of LA’s need for Machado. They probably still want Manny, but LA may be less likely to give up a ton to get Machado because of Muncy and the health of Turner, emergence of Kemp etc.. An infield of Turner, Taylor, Muncy and Bellinger, with Kemp, Puig and Pederson is not bad. Not bad at all.

          Dodgers may be looking at a bullpen arm or two if the bats swing well. I think LA will wait it out unless they crumble between now and the deadline. Or an injury to a starting player will get them to be very serious about a deal for Machado.

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          3 years ago

          I agree Cam although I don’t think Verdugo is really overrated. I think most people have a feel on him, bc he does have some value. It’s just not future star value. Which he who knows could change if he were willing to make the adjustments. The simple fact remains though that he’s been made expandable as Toles returned and by the play of Diaz. The OF is pretty deep and crowded.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          3 years ago

          The price for Machado is going to be a top-5o prospect and maybe another from a lower shelf, depending on the top-50 player. If it’s someone as developed as Verdugo he should be enough. If it’s Alvarez then the Dodgers probably have to throw in someone further down the list. Year after year we see how this is the cost of doing business in July. Muncy gives the Dodgers some unexpected space but I suspect they’d really like to play Taylor more in CF so they can sit Hernandez more often against RHP.

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          3 years ago

          I think Muncy does give them a different perspective yes. I think on the other hand though the performance of Forsythe does also. One assumption that can’t be made is that this FO is sold on Muncy’s defensive viability at second. The more I look at this I can see the FO wanting Machado as it lengthens the lineup and strengthens the overall defense, even though there are significant questions about him defensively at SS. Joc’s not really a CF anymore and Muncy is not really a second baseman. But Taylor/Bellinger sure can go get it CF and Bellinger in general in the OF and Kikè/Taylor are way better options at second. It also again protects from Turner’s health and potential regression from Kemp/Muncy/ Joc. So granted, I think there’s a limit to what the Dodgers would be willing to give up, but again it circles around to the fact that there will be a significant roster crunch this offseason and the Dodgers might be more willing to move certain guys they had been unwilling to do so with in the past.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          3 years ago

          A good summary. Also, looking at the depth chart around the infield, the shallowest position is 3B. Machado gives them a quality option to back up and rest Turner.

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  25. mattcubs

    3 years ago

    I’d rather the Cubs hold on to Addy at this point. He is the better shortstop and maybe, just maybe, he is beginning to live up to his offensive potential. If they get him without Russell being included, Bryant would presumably move out to left? This negates Schwarber and Happ though–so maybe one of them? Too steep on all 3 accounts, I believe. Certainly not Almora. He’s killing it out in center and at the leadoff spot.

    Their offense hasn’t been an issue, it’s been the starting pitching.

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  26. downsr30

    3 years ago

    My trade offer as the Cubs would be Ian Happ, Victor Caratini and whatever it takes from the farm system for Machado and Brach. Put Machado at 3B, Bryant in RF, platoon Heyward and Almora in CF, and you can also put Bryant in LF on days where you want to sit Schwarber.

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    • dewssox79

      3 years ago

      stop. ian happ and caratini? the farm? what farm? your top pitcher is hurt and the other one is swimming in masking agents.

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  27. jorge78

    3 years ago

    Most over rated player ever…..

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    • niched

      3 years ago

      Not ever. That would be Jason Heyward followed by a bunch of other guys. But I agree, even with the breakout season Manny is kind of overrated. Still he’s quite young and seems to be only getting better.

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    • Jameison Rose

      3 years ago

      Yep,.he’s so over rated seven MLB teams are structuring trades to try to aquire his services.

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  28. R.D.

    3 years ago

    The Dodgers must be offering an awful big haul for Manny. Without their top prospects involved I wonder if Buehler’s name came up.

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    • easymoney

      3 years ago

      Buhler haha lmao

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  29. WilliamA

    3 years ago

    Trying to figure out what the DBacks offer would be. I see Marte’s name, which seems insane considering the team-friendly extension, his solid offense (after the awful start), and what Fangraphs rates as great defense. Why would they trade him for a rental, especially when they aren’t a top FA destination (I feel like the trade for a rental thing makes a little more sense for a team like LAD). I could see trading Lamb for him if Machado is willing to play 3B. The O’s need lefty power, which somehow they failed to sign when their park is made for it. Anyone who has been watching Ariz closely have any info/rumors on this?

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    • redrooster

      3 years ago

      Trading for a rental doesn’t make any more sense for the Dodgers because you could just as easily argue that if they are such an attractive FA destination, they can just wait until the offseason and sign him for nothing but $. When you are trading for someone like Machado, you are trading for what he can do for you now, not because you want to sign him.
      Anyway, I’m pretty sure that if the acquiring team tells Manny “you’re playing 3rd base,” he’ll do it without much frustration. Whether or not he’ll sign there is a story for another day.

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      • WilliamA

        3 years ago

        Well, there is definitely a view among some baseball people that trading for a rental can give you a leg up over other prospective teams because you may be able to build up a relationship/familiarity. I’m not saying that always proves true or anything, but I’m not sure teams look at the investment in a rental as purely “we get him rest of season and then have exactly the same chance of signing him as we would have without trading for him.”

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        • redrooster

          3 years ago

          It might give you a bit of an advantage, but it would be marginal at best. It’s not the type of thing you trade the prospects Machado is going to cost in a trade for. If you aren’t ok with him leaving after the season, don’t trade for him.

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        • elmore80

          3 years ago

          If I was the Braves I would go to the Twins and offer them the offer for Machado plus and get E.Escobar. He’s cheaper and I’m sure we could resign him this winter.

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  30. Z-A

    3 years ago

    At least once his traded it wont cost a pick to sign him in the offseason.

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    • Polish Hammer

      3 years ago

      Is that true for the team signing him? The team losing him won’t get any compensation, but I thought the team signing would still surrender a pick.

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      • BlueSkyLA

        3 years ago

        Nope, he’d be completely unburdened from the compensation pick because the team with whom he ends the season can’t extend a QO. Maybe someone will have a better memory for the details of how the system worked before the QO system was put into effect but it seems the old compensation process is what you are remembering.

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  31. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    3 years ago

    Why in the world would the Indians want Machado?
    Indians are fine the way they are!

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  32. chound

    3 years ago

    Brewers all the way in this race!

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  33. simschifan

    3 years ago

    I still say dodgers are the best fit. I would love the Brewers to get him cause it would put a dent in their farm system and possibly not have enough to get Degrom. He scares me on the Brewers more than Machado

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  34. norcalblue

    3 years ago

    Really ambivalent about a Machado deal to LAD. From LAD perspective, I still don’t see a Machado trade being necessary or practical. Taking on his salary alone seems like a deal-breaker. I guess if Kemp and Forsythe are moved (along with a reduced prospect package) it could make sense. Seriously, unless Ned Colleti has already been hired and is serving as “senior advisor”, I don’t think even the Oriole FO is that stupid.

    In the end, Machado’s best position is 3B and he is not going to play there everday on the Dodgers. If they play him at SS, it’s a significant decline defensively. The LAD FO cares about defensive metrics. Aside from the obvious offensive upgrade, the only other reason to make this deal would be to keep him away from AZ. I trust this FO; but, not sure I’d make this deal.

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    • ravens9111

      3 years ago

      Machado already said he will play 3B for the team that trades for him

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        3 years ago

        Oh he did, and when was this? Also the rest of the baseball universe must be in the dark the.

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  35. OCTraveler

    3 years ago

    Dodgers Lineup:
    C – Grandal
    1B – Bellinger
    2B – Taylor v RH; Muncy v LH
    3B – Turner
    SS – Macahdo
    LF – Kemp
    CF – Petersen v RH; Taylor v LH
    RF – Puig

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  36. OCTraveler

    3 years ago

    If you sign Machado to an extension, next season Seager to SS and either move Turner (Machado to 3B) or mover Pedersen (Bellinger to CF; Machado to 1B)

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      3 years ago

      Manny isn’t signing an extension, and he he ain’t playing anything but SS.

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      • jett

        3 years ago

        Agreed, Machado won’t have any interest in giving up free agency regardless of where he’s traded to. We don’t know exactly where he’ll end up but come winter time, if the biggest offer he gets is asking him to play third base. He’ll change his tune and say he was meant to be a third baseman all along.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          3 years ago

          He probably already has maybe three teams in mind that he’ll sign with. He’s gonna be the ultimate primadonna this winter and will milk everything and everyone for attention. My own opinion is those three teams are the Phillies, Braves, and his dream the Yankees. Not saying any of those teams feel the same way, but moves can be made so he can play SS.

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    • Priggs89

      3 years ago

      Nobody in their right mind would pay Machado the kind of money he’s looking for to play first base. That’s absurd.

      I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go back to third base though. I think this whole shortstop situation was significantly more about him wanting to get paid rather than anything else. If he wasn’t playing a god awful shortstop right now and had that bat, he’d easily get the biggest contract in baseball history.

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  37. 54scooterb

    3 years ago

    Watch somebody like the Mets pull a stunner.

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    • Peterd

      3 years ago

      The Coupons have zero young talent in their farm system and they obviously don’t shop anywhere except Kmart or the waiver wire

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  38. slider32

    3 years ago

    I don’t see the O’s getting the best prospects from the Dodgers or Brewers. I think the Braves, Diamondbacks, or Cards would give them the best talent if they want him..

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  39. kershawsgrandma22

    3 years ago

    Pleaseeeeee Dodgers get Manny

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  40. crankdispatch

    3 years ago

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Mariners make a last minute entry to the Machado sweepstakes. Makes as much sense to me as the Dodgers for a star rental.

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  41. Backatit

    3 years ago

    Not too interested in a trade for Machado as far as the Braves are concerned; however would love a deal with Cincinnati for Raisel Iglesias, Eugenio Suarez, Tyler Mahle and Jesse Winker for Ronald Acuna, Rio Ruiz, Matt Wisler, Chad Bell.

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  42. deadset4

    3 years ago

    The Orioles FO botched it already. They waited to long to move him. Nobody will pay a fair price now for a rental. If they come out of this with anything less than a top 50 pitching prospect that’s MLB ready and another top 100 prospect from whomever,then all of the waiting has cost them dearly.. Only a handful of teams can offer that package. My money is on the Cardinals (who aren’t mentioned) the Phillies are right there as well… All the other teams mentioned are just BS

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    • redrooster

      3 years ago

      Orioles don’t need MLB ready prospects. They need guys with upside who are still a ways out.

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    • Polish Hammer

      3 years ago

      Nobody will pay “a fair price”? They’ll still get a fair price, relative to the amount of time remaining in the season.

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  43. elmore80

    3 years ago

    Braves get Archer and Eovaladi for Camargo,Fried ,Allard and Anderson.

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  44. jim-41

    3 years ago

    Maybe D-Backs make a try to get Drury back unless they knew about his headache issues. Just another thought maybe the Yankees are punishing him for not informing them about his medical issues before the trade.

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