12:08am: Michael Duarte of NBC Sports L.A. tweets that right-handed pitching prospect Dustin May, long reported to be a target of the O’s, is expected to change hands in the deal. Double-A infielder/outfielder Errol Robinson is also believed to be included, per Duarte.
That said, Heyman casts doubt on the inclusion of May, tweeting that the Dodgers’ unwillingness to part with him was the driving factor for structuring a deal around Diaz.
11:22pm: Heyman tweets that the players in the deal are agreed upon, though there could yet be some medical reviews to be finalized. Notably, he suggests that there are “believed to be” five minor leaguers going to the Orioles, though obviously the quality of those five will vary. It’s still unclear who, outside of Diaz, is going to the Orioles in the deal, but Heyman adds that there’s no cash changing hands in the trade. That won’t yet put Los Angeles over the luxury tax line, however. Machado is owed about $6.45MM through season’s end, and the Dodgers were about $15MM south of the luxury tax line prior to this agreement.
9:15pm: Rosenthal tweets that Machado to the Dodgers is indeed happening. Diaz will go back to the Orioles as one of the pieces in the deal. It’s not yet clear which other players are involved or how much money (if any) the O’s are sending to the Dodgers along with Machado.
Meanwhile, MASNsports.com’s Roch Kubatko cautions that he hears a deal isn’t “done,” though that seems to be largely a matter of semantics. Kubatko notes that the All-Star Game has been a significant impediment to the deal’s completion. He adds that upon inquiring as to whether the deal could be completed tomorrow, one source replied: “It could have been tomorrow for the last 2 weeks.”
While any deal can unexpectedly crumble before it’s formally announced — Baltimore axed a deal that would’ve sent Zach Britton to the Astros at the last minute last July, for instance — the overwhelming consensus at this point seems to be that Machado will be a Dodger by the time the regular season resumes on Friday.
6:17pm: The Orioles’ return from the Dodgers is expected to consist only of prospects, Rosenthal further tweets. L.A. won’t send anyone from its Major League roster to the O’s barring a last-minute change. As such, if the Dodgers are going to move a big league asset such as Forsythe for luxury tax purposes, that’ll come in a separate trade, it seems.
5:08pm: Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic tweets that “several” other clubs who’ve been involved in the bidding are expecting the Dodgers to land Machado. The Dodgers are “increasingly likely” to acquire Machado, per Rosenthal. Andy McCullough of the L.A. Times, meanwhile, tweets that the Dodgers are believed to be close on a Machado deal.
4:16pm: Machado tells reporters that he has not heard anything today from either the Orioles or his agent regarding a trade (Twitter link via Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times).
12:48pm: Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports that the Dodgers are the club with the framework of a deal in place. But the Philadelphia Inquirer’s Scott Lauber tweets that the Phillies are still “aggressively motivated” and optimistic of landing Machado.
11:10am: The Dodgers have indeed offered to include Diaz, Heyman tweets.
10:17am: Heyman provides a few more hints regarding the possible connection (Twitter links). One chip to keep an eye on is Dodgers outfielder Yusniel Diaz, he suggests. Working out the money may also mean that an expensive veteran player could head back to Baltimore in a potential deal, Heyman adds. On paper, at least, Logan Forsythe would seem the obvious player to utilize in that regard. Sending salary back to Baltimore would obviously mean that Los Angeles would need to sweeten the return.
8:05am: The Dodgers “appear to be the leading contender” to acquire Orioles infielder Manny Machado, according to Jon Heyman of Fancred (Twitter link). That said, there’s still no deal in place and Heyman adds that “the situation is fluid.”
As we’ve traced this key trade deadline story in recent weeks, multiple teams have emerged at one point or another as supposed “favorites” or “leaders” to add Machado. All along, we’ve also heard reporters caution that many clubs aren’t yet sure just when the O’s will make a decision. And with two weeks yet to go, it’s still plausible to imagine that they’ll continue to wait.
Thus, while Heyman says a “deal should be done this week,” he adds an important proviso (“barring turnabout”). And while this latest report indicates the Dodgers are homing in on Machado, it was reported late last night that the Phillies were surging into the lead by dangling one of their best pitching prospects.
Before that, the Brewers were reputedly part of a trio of leaders, and Heyman tweets that the Milwaukee organization remains a possibility. He adds that the Diamondbacks — another team once deemed the favorite by some — are also still on the periphery. And who could forget that, less than a week ago, we were learning of a surprise Yankees surge. Perhaps it should not surprise if other teams manage to vault back into the conversation, too.
There are plenty of ways to interpret all this, of course. It could be that the Dodgers are indeed lining up to get Machado. Or, maybe it’s the Phils that are doing so. Perhaps the Orioles really are preparing to strike a deal coming out of the All-Star break, a seemingly sensible approach that would avoid further injury risk. Or, it might be that the steady stream of horse racing metaphors is an indication that the Orioles are seeing how far they can push the bidding, comfortable in the knowledge that they can still move the finish line back a few more times.
From Machado’s perspective, as Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com writes, it’s hard to play through the “distractions.” The longtime O’s star says he wishes he knew more about where he might be headed, but adds that VP of baseball ops Dan Duquette “has been doing a really good job of trying to keep us informed as much as he can.” Machado also gave something of a preview of his anticipated approach to free agency this coming winter, saying he’ll be looking to figure out where he and his family will be “happy” rather than maximizing his earnings.
Every few days theres a new favorite.
The orioles should just pull the trade the second manny gets removed from the all star game so he can represent them and the rest of the trades can get going.
“and the rest of the trades can get going” Do you mean so the Orioles can get going with more trades or the rest of the league?
I think both. Because usually there is a domino effect. So teams can focus on other players once Machado is moved.
both
No, they seem to know what they’re doing, operating according to their own logical schedule. Manny plays the All-Star game in an Oriole to uniform (which he looks great in!) while the O’s drive his asking price to maximum value. Very smart.
I agree. I do not think the Orioles play until Friday night so that gives them a few more days to try to pry certain prospects from certain teams and leverage the activity with minimal risk of injury unless he get hurt tonight. I think you will be gone by Friday
lol. If they knew what they were doing, they’d moved him, they’d have traded him in the off season (or earlier) if they wanted maximum value.
What you said is key nymetsking. Are they doing the right thing now? Yes. Could they have gotten 3 times the prospects if they’d bowed out back in 2016 when the rumors started? Absolutely. The O’s have a habit of making bad decisions and I don’t fully blame Duquette as the Angelos family has not always given him free reign to do what he wants and put back contracts like Chris Davis on the books that tie his hands behind his back.
They could have wound up with a haul of top prospects. Instead the return is good, not wow. They could have traded Adam Jones when he was an All-Star. They could have flipped Britton considering a team that hasn’t made the playoffs doesn’t really need a superstar closer.
Now they will get peanuts for Britton, if they can even move him.
Its the worst run organization in MLB in my opinion. Even though the Marlins tear it down every few years, at least they give themselves a chance. I don’t think the O’s’ have had many serious WS chances since Ripkin retired. Its getting embarrassing.
That’s a good way to endear yourself to the commissioner’s office. Upstage a league event for no other reason than because you can’t wait 12 hours to announce something.
1. Neither team announced it. That was all media reports.
2. Rob Manfred already hates the Orioles due to the MASN dispute which is why Baltimore which hasn’t hosted an all star game since 1994 won’t have one any time soon. So I wish they had announced it during the game just to spite Manfred.
You realize that that was 24 years ago and there are 30 teams, so they’re not really even due for another one yet.
I’m not an Orioles fan by any means. But i think waiting this trade out would be the smart thing to do. The more they wait the more teams get involved. This would give them the best deal. Why push the trade through now? When waiting two more weeks makes better sense?
Because he could get injured…
And teams would rather have him for those 2 extra weeks lol. so I doubt offers would get any better waiting
Unless teams start bowing out because they already made other deals. Unless Machado gets hurt. Too many “unless” cases.
With this type of stuff, when you get the right offer you take it. The O’s problem is they should have taken the offers 2 years ago, when Machado still had years of team control left and they would have gotten a haul.
Instead, they now have to take the best offer on the table. Waiting is what got them into this mess.
Yankees will still win World Series and one hitter won’t buy u a World Series it’s all about pitching,cuz pitching beats hitting!
Sounds like the Kentucky Derby!! “And down the stretch they come!”
It sounds like Baltimore is conducting this as best as they can. They’re playing the teams against each other to drive the price up. Right now they’re bouncing back and forth between the Dodgers and the Phillies to get them each to up their respective offers. Looks like they’ll get a really big return on what will be a rental of Machado for half the season.
As they should. He’s already just shy of a four win player with the ability to impact a pennant race in an enormous way (where mere games are a really big deal). I think Philadelpiha ‘needs’ him more as the young guys manning SS have been clear weaknesses on a strong overall team, but I’d favor LA’s prospect depth as far as sheer manpower goes.
You’re basically praising the Orioles for conducting themselves like every other front office would. I’ve also cheered for teams where that was the best thing I could say about them! So I get it…
Now breaking rumor, Manny will leave MLB and sign with the San Francisco 49ers as their starting QB! Manny has stated that he’ll make everyone forget about Joe Montana!
Funny fail.
Agree 110%
At least he didn’t say the Warriors. That one is starting to get played out.
Just starting? That joke was growing hair out its nostrils weeks ago.
Years ago brotha
Womp, wooooooooomp. (((Crickets)))
At this point I’m expecting a headline that says Miami is in the hunt.
they’d probably take on his expiring contract if Baltimore included a prospect or two.
More like everyday. Tomorrow the Rays will be the slight favorite. Thursday will be Minnesota and Friday will be Colorado’s turn.
Not only that, but ESPN.com reports that Phillies are the front runner, while others report that LAD is the likely target. I’ve stopped giving any credence to any of it until the ink is dry.
Every year they do this, and every year it’s annoying. He’s gonna go to the A’s or somewhere ridiculous.
I didn’t know they’ve traded Manny every year. How do they keep reuniting? Must be love love love!
Golden State Warriors new favorites in Manny Machado sweepstakes.
Las vegas golden knights tomorrow.
Lakers
I’m sure Silver would approve of that!
Don’t worry, there’s still plenty of time left for the Orioles to mess this up too.
My money is on prospects not passing their physicals- nullifying the trade- deadline passed.
Heyman literally has ZERO clue and will post anything to get a “story” out. One day it’s Milwaukee, then it’s Philadelphia, now it’s LA?? Oh, and let’s not forget the classic “There’s currently 3 teams in the lead”…Are they on a point system, that 3 teams can be leading?? C’mon now, just stop reporting until the trade actually happens. It’ll likely be a mystery team that lands Manny so Heyman can tweet about it, claiming he knew it was (insert team) all along
Heyman is always full of s***, i can’t stand him
Calm down there fella.
Heyman is horrible
Heyman is also full of himself. True story.
Totally agree. Hymen and JP Moronsi are the WORST.
How are two people the worst?
Heyman’s source is his left hand with a sock puppet attached. And it talks like Beeker from The Muppets.
Or… sometimes the story changes because the situation is fluid. Idk. Just a guess…
NO! These reporters are the worst! These people who stack rank reporters are something else. All they do is try and provide people with inside info from sources within the front offices.
These so called expert reporters are clueless. You don’t know anything you don’t have a scoop no one cares about your speculations. We just care when a deal is completed.
No one cares about speculation and yet you’re on and commenting on a site purely dedicated to RUMORS….. It’s right in the name…..
This is the same site that a few years ago confirmed that Yosmany Tomas was down to between Atlanta and San Diego and literally the very next day he went to Arizona. They have no clue. Understandably it’s a rumor site, but c’mon
Exactly.
It’s funny you use an example of how they were wrong (supposedly) several years ago to imply they are clueless. Really had to go pretty far back to find an example. Also, they probably were right and Arizona upped their offer at the last minute or something.
Funny as in hahaha?? Sorry, I must’ve missed the joke you were trying to make. Nah, it’s not going back several years, it’s using a prime example as a key factor in pointing out their incompetence. If you followed the Yosmany circus, which judging by your reply you obviously did NOT, Arizona was never mentioned as a suitor. This very site confirmed it was down to either The Padres or The Braves, and overnight you’re telling me The Diamondbacks suddenly upped an offer they never initially even had?? Because remember, mlbtraderumors never mentioned AZ as a suitor. I’d be more than happy to provide more examples, more recent ones if you’d prefer, but let’s use our nice words and say please first
Its easier to critique than create.
If this site is as incompetent as you say, then why don’t you create one that is better.
Once you get it up and running, let all of us know so we can look at an apparent better website.
Also, if it’s so bad why are still here reading it? Just curious.
Stfu yeah this app sucks delete
Bye Felisha!
Jbaker didn’t Arizona do that exact thing to get Greinke to sign lol. But you think it’s unlikely they did it with Tomas.
Dave1775, you are going be missed around here like Sammy Sosa is to the Cubs. Basically, not at all, lol.
The Orioles have actually done a pretty good job of misinformation leading to I am sure increased offers. Are they actually acting competently? Who really knows!
I think they’re acting VERY competently here. They’re in the driver’s seat here, and they have a destination and deadline in mind, very focused on that, and other teams are responding. I think we hear something on Wednesday.
The O’s really aren’t in the drivers seat here though. Teams know they HAVE to move him before the deadline or risk getting a comp pick for him. There are also other options out there on the market to play middle infield. Scooter, Dozier, Escobar from MIN, Schoop, Whit just to name a few. The longer the O’s wait the less of a return they will see. Teams know they only get manny for 3 months. Everyone else I mentioned above come with years of control.
Manny is head and shoulders above the rest of those guys you listed offensively and most of the guys you listed are second basemen and Manny is not. Also, Dozier & Escobar would be a 3 month rental as they are UFA after this season. Just because teams know that the O’s “HAVE” to trade him doesn’t mean they wont net a good return because there are so many teams that would love to have him down the stretch and in the playoffs.
Escobar is probably the top consolation prize (if MIN is even motivated to move him after their little hot streak) and as Joe pointed out, he’s a rental too. As is Dozier. Whit and Scooter have both made it known that they would prefer to stay where they are and sign extensions. Balt has made no indication they are ready to move Schopp. Manny is still the best and most readily available player and his price is not going to suffer because of some lower tier players who may or may not even be available.
Here’s another genius who knows everything
Someone needs a hug.
Must be the Orioles leaking it to try and get teams to up their offers lol
I wouldn’t be surprised.
I thought it was the Orioles. Do these reporters know anything.
The fact that’s there’s different “favorites” everyday shows the O’s are playing this well. Let’s hope whatever prospects obtained work out for O’s fans.
The problem with this strategy is when you leak a story about X prospects dangled from a team, the team in question knows it’s made up.
So when you do the same thing with all of your interested parties, they all know you’re just making stories up.
Every team dies some version of this; it’s called business. And to your last point, no, I don’t think the bidders think this is made up—at all.
but…but….i thought there was a handshake agreement, and that it was a done deal he was going to philly? these reporters have no clue whats going on. tomorrow it will be the dbacks who are leading it i bet
Damn, guess that was more of a dead fish handshake.
Wait what… oh yeah I forgot the 170 other times the leading contender changed.. I mean I thought Philly had a handshake agreement…. it was 100%… this is just getting old just share when the trade happens and that’s all. No one wants to see these false articles when you have no idea what’s going on!
Well, there are others who suggest we are out of our lane (“it’s trade RUMORS”) when we dare cover an actual signing or trade. We trace the development of the story and try to give proper context to any new reporting. I think you’ll find that in the post that I wrote.
This was not pointed at any specific writer. Most are good here. I hope you didn’t take that to offense Jeff. But over the last month there have been more articles about machado than anything. And it’s not anyone’s fault
The point of this site is to track the conversation. The writers here are talented writers and researchers that mostly compile information from 3rd party sources that are considered to have the best information in the industry. Players themselves admit they check MLBTradeRumors when they know they are being dealt.
They are here to consolidate and elaborate on the rumors that are available. What those rumors are are often out of their control.
I’ve always assumed MLB Trade Rumors was the name of the blog vs the strict subject.
Certainly! But rumors of MLB trades certainly represent a core area of interest.
Gavin B………”However, despite a report of a “handshake agreement” between the Orioles and Phillies by Barstool Sports, Kubatko adds that there’s no deal between the two teams in place. To the contrary, Kubatko notes that both the Brewers and the Dodgers remain involved in the Machado market.” https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/manny-machado-trade-rumors-phillies-handshake-agreement.html
I fail to see how that could be construed as this site reporting it as 100%
Listen, I don’t think any one article is bad and I also like your chats Jeff, but the continuous buildup of an article that is repeated about the same player over and over just get annoying and boring to the point where i don’t even want to follow the machado trade anymore because there is one released every 10 hours. One of my favorite things about the deadline is the excitement.. I don’t blame this on any single writer but from the 100 article a week buildup it gets old
Also cat mando. I was never criticizing this sites writing.. I was criticizing the fact that “a handshake agreement” was reported to anyone in the first place. That’s the most rediculous thing ever. This is business and honestly I think The O’s are doing a very great job and are raising the price with all these reports but at the same moment a handshake agreement means nothing. This is business.
My point is very simple. MLBTR didn’t even report on the “handshake deal” until it was countermanded by Kubatko. If you belived it to be 100% than you either read it on Barstoll or elsewhere which means you are following the rumors across the web. Either that or you just like to complain. Which is it?
Cat Mando, ESPN is a good place for you to go so you don’t have to be bothered with the “leading up to” rumors
captainsalty…..read again….I’m not the one complaining about the rumors.
I’m not complaining about any rumors except the continuous ones that I blame no one for. So what’s the comfusion here I don’t understand?
Gavin B……A U-turn like that could cause serious injury. I hope you are OK.
Here let me clear it up for you… I’m not mad at any writer specifically… I was making fun of the report of the handshake agreement written the other day…and I’m sick of the 100 articles written a day about manny.. not mad at anyone specifically… just annoyed with it… if you had the ability to read and understand words the right way you’d realize the first message was not about anything but the “handshake agreement” article and how rediculous it was
If anything the first comment was at Haymen. Was not at all pointed at Jeff
I comprehend fine Gavin and also know a reversal to CYA is when I see one.
Let’s review shall we? The only mention of the “handshake” here was to debunk it so if you read it and took it as 100% you read it elsewhere. Why would you if you are so sick of the articles? Self abuse?
You also say “the first comment was at Haymen. (sic)”. Heyman had nothing to do with the “handshake” so which is it?
Lastly you said “No one wants to see these false articles when you have no idea what’s going on!” Was that directed at Heyman? It seems odd considering he doesn’t work for MLBTR.
That’s an awful lot of contradiction, reversal and CYA packed into your last few comments.
It’s all good everyone. Never took it as direct criticism of me or the site.
Believe me, nobody rolls their eyes at some of this stuff more than Steve and myself! We try our best to cut through any silliness.
You are all doing a fabulous job. This is the most essential site in all of baseball.
I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it to you.
If you don’t want rumors just read the transactions page and go about your day
It’s a big league superstar on the trade block. Multiple teams will be involved, and the leading candidate to get Machado is going to change at some point obviously, probably several.
Excellent work on the crack at the horse racing metaphors Jeff, that had me chuckling
Heyman had the Padres in the Machado sweeps last month
And the Royals right?
None of these so-called reports have any credibility. We’ll have the answer when the deal is announced and not before.
Youre just spinning a wheel arent you and whatever team it lands on thats the new favorite machado destination.
When the dust settles Machado will have been traded back to the Orioles to the delight of Peter Angelos.
“Perhaps it should not surprise if other teams manage to vault back into the conversation, too.”
All it takes is a tweet from one of the Fearsome Foursome.
One of them should get bold and tweet that the Marlins are interested because they think they can talk Manny into signing and he would be an attendance draw in Miami. Need a Jeter angle to give the tweet some impact.
I’ve come to the conclusion that not a single one of these so-called reporters actually knows anything. News was way better when it was in a newspaper and not some jerkoff trying to meet a Twitter quota.
24 hour news cycle. It’s unavoidable anymore
Yet, here you are……..
Some truth to this, but also consider that no matter where it’s reported, GMs are going to supply reporters with off the record comments. The method may be different now, but as has already been pointed out, we’re not going back again. One way or another signaling through the media will continue be a feature of their negotiation strategies. So pull up a chair, break out a bag of peanuts, and enjoy the show. Or not, if it really bugs you. It’s your choice.
The conversation is what it is. Every day, you’ve heard that teams have adjusted their offers and become frontrunners. This is what happens every time a superstar is traded these days.
If suddenly the Yankees throw a package of Andjular and Sheffield or something like that together, you’d heard a new “frontrunner.” They aren’t reporting inaccurate misinformation. They are reporting to the best of their knowledge what’s going on. I’m not sure why people call information “misinformation” or say people don’t know what they are talking about when a 2-3 month saga like this unfolds. If there are 60-90 days, the frontrunner probably changed 20-30 times at least. Its not that they don’t know anything.
Also, the O’s’ are especially unpredictable because they are a team that at the last minute, cancels free agent signings. They have a habit of making teams and players think agreements are in place that aren’t.
Angelos said he’d never trade Machado to the Yankees, yet the Yankees were a frontrunner for awhile. Sometimes you just have to understand the business world and read between the lines.
WHAT ABOUT THE HANDSHAKE DEAL!!??
They both got cooties and called it off.
Rumor has it, they called off the handshake and instead used the Howie Mandel fist bump
I dunno, I think you can still catch cooties from a fist bump.
A condition of the trade needs to be that Angelos sells the team
We could only hope that would happen.
He’s going to the Phillies.
In a shocking turn of events, Magic Johnson and the Dodgers trade Lebron James to the Orioles for Manny Machado, Adam Jones, Zach Britton, and one of Cal Ripken Jr’s old jock straps. Lebron will pitch for the O’s—just like in those Sprite commercials. Since arriving in LA, Lebron said he has been so busy pitching movie ideas that he figured he’d try his hand at the real thing. The Lakers, meanwhile, will receive cash and a player to be named later. I am sorry that you have read this and wasted roughly 45 seconds of your life. Good day.
Any team should let him get traded and go after him in the off season.
Well every team but one will take your advice. Lol
How can you have an update without speculating the type of prospect that is being offered by the Dodgers? Of course, blind bidding will work the best for the Orioles. Since my Braves are not going to get Machado via trade, I certainly won’t mind if the team that does overpay.
I think the dark horse team to get Machado is the Indians. They have the pitching prospects to get him. But he would have to play third. The dodgers and brewers offer the best chance to play short long term for Machado. The dodgers can move Seager to third once he’s healthy. And the brewers have arcia who isn’t a great offensive threat who could move to second and form a solid double play tandem unless he’s part of the trade to the Os.
The Brewers and Indians would be very unlikely to be able to stretch their limited payrolls to re sign him long term so I don’t think his likelihood to be a long term piece as their SS is weighing in on the thought process for those teams
I think you’re kind of overdoing it with these Machado reports. There’s been like 4 in the past week and all of them are basically saying the same thing: we have no idea.
Scroll past them, bud. Easy peasy.
I agree the Machado thing is tiresome, but ads ain’t gonna sell themselves. In Reflect’s defense, public opinion matters. I think MLBTR is (or should be) thankful for feedback.
And how would I know that there’s no new information in an article just by “scrolling past them”? Try thinking critically instead of rushing to gain anonymous internet popularity with thoughtless snark.
I’m not complaining that there are too many Machado articles, I’m complaining that all 4 of the Machado articles from the previous 7 days are only repeating each other and have offered nothing new. The only way I could have known that is by reading them all.
If the articles contained new information, or if the articles made it clear they were just rehashes and summaries (so that I would know not to read them), I’d have no complaints. But they were each framed as new articles containing new information, misleadingly so.
Heyman getting played like a fiddle like usual. I have to give the O’s credit, they are doing a very fine job with their leaks to try and drive the price up. If they end up with someone like Medina from Philly or May from LA then it will be a huge win for them.
Wow, Heyman is “so on top of this!” Everyone gets to be the leader!!!!
Just get traded already!
I have it on the BEST authority (FBI agent Strock) that Manny will be traded to the Rays….for Rob Refsnyder…..O’s will kick in 5M in International Bonus slots of course….
He gets his inside info from his side chick, Page.
This just in, the following new teams have just entered the Machado Sweepstakes and are neck and neck in trade talks!
Cleveland Spiders
Chicago Whales
Kansas City Packers
Indianapolis Hoosiers
More at 11!
All I see is a bunch of complaints about the reporting on this “Rumors” site, yet you come here for your information. Nobody is forcing you to be here.
MLBTR is fine… It’s the guys that originate the rumors that get carried away sometimes.
MLBTR is a clearinghouse basically. The rumors are the basis of just about all the speculation/comments/etc. What’s the problem?
Most of these national baseball writers should write for the National Enquirer.
Anyway, that’s what my sources tell me.
Ya same! They dropped out during the offseason cause they didn’t want to get rid of Jordan Hicks or Luke Weaver.
I wish he would go to the Cardinals!!
Ya Same! They Dropped out during the offseason cause they didn’t want to get rid of Jordan Hicks or Luke Weaver.
A late dark horse into the race….the Hartford Whalers. Admittedly they seem like an odd fit, but you can’t argue with their rabid fans of the frequently embattled club.
Dodgers don’t need Machado. They need quality pen not stocked by cast offs.
By nature, bullpens are mostly comprised of ‘castoffs’.
Also, if you’re so quick to dismiss ‘castoffs,’ then I guess the Dodgers should jettison Justin Turner, Chris Taylor, Max Muncy (should I keep going?) too…
Alright Phillies. Let’s not get in a bidding war here.
My only question is how the hell is Frosythe making 9M? He was garbage last year.
Forsythe has been a league average (or better) player for the past three years. That’s easily worth more than $9M. He is having a down year, though.
Good move by cashman “entering” the bidding to drive up the price and then backing out.
What does that accomplish? Allowing a division rival to get better prospects?
Got heeeem!
throw in Peter O’Brien, Jeremy Guthrie, Donn Roach and a bucket of that gross Big League Chew and you got a deal.
“11:10am: tweetsThe Dodgers have indeed offered to include Diaz, Heyman .”
Does Heyman really add anything to the deal? I’d think a draft choice and some pool money would be more useful.
I like to imagine it’s Jon tweeting to himself in the third-person.
I have a funny wordpress issue that moves linked text around (“tweets” in this case). Fixed now.
Hey, at least this technical snafu lead to amusing wordplay. 🙂
The best they could do is Diaz and Forsythe for a superstar in Machado lol? The other offers must be really bad, as they should be. Baltimore screwed the pooch on this one. Waiting this long to trade him.
It’s all speculation. I don’t think that’s the offer but may include both of those players.
Would not be surprised if Diaz’ two HRs in the Futures Game changed the trajectory on this entire affair. I would be sad to see Yusniel traded as I have long felt he would emerge as an above-average major league player.
Seems too much for a rental that is not really filling an obvious need. Unless this deal includes Britton, Givens, Bundy or Gausman I believe LAD will regret giving up this package of prospects as there is little chance Manny would be re-signed this winter.
It doesn’t even say what the package is. It speculates Diaz and Forsythe right now. Can’t get mad over that. Depends what the other pieces are
Manny Machado going to the Dodgers would be the worst option for the Cubs who currently have the best record in the NL. If the Phillies or Brewers were to acquire Machado the Cubs would still be considered the favorites among NL contenders to reach the 2018 World Series. Machado landing in Los Angeles could change those odds.
I wonder if teams in the position of the Orioles take the same mentality of draft taking the best player available or are they more inclined to fill needs in trades. Diaz might be the best player offered but hes not a pitcher.
Baseball teams (especially rebuilding ones) should always opt for talent over organizational need. But this is the Orioles, after all, so anything is possible.
Edit: it’s a different story if the O’s are acquiring big league players, of course.
If the trade.is finalized will he play for the Nationals tonight or the Americans?
Neither……….
Going to go down Wednesday-July 31st
I really hope the Dodgers do blow another prospect load on a early playoff exit
As opposed to not making it at all, like your Madres?
I guess if your team is that horrible, rooting for other teams to fail is the best you can do.
Good luck with that.
Um right…news flash, every Giants fans in the world roots for the Dodgers to suck no matter what the standings say…its called divisional rivals…again does anyone watch baseball here? and I’m having tremendous luck bc you guys have spent over 1.5 BILLION dollars in the past 6 years with NOTHING to show for it, except for Kershaws bad back….so “good luck with that” sparky
“don’t suck at your hobby, because you probably suck at everything else too.” -Me
I wouldn’t exactly call last year an early exit. Technically, it was the latest exit possible.
right, I was referring to the 6 years before that
That’s the thing, you’re a prisoner of the past, the Madres have never won a title, yet no one cares enough to remind of you that, that is, until you run your childish yap about a team with unlimited resources doing whatever they can to be successful. Success includes, winning baseball games, enough to win the division, it does not include securing wild card berths. They have won 5 straight Division titles, been to the NLCS three times, and a World Series game 7. ANY organization would interpret that as success, with only one final goal, bringing home the trophy. Los Doyers are on the cusp, it will happen. Deal with it Loser….
Adonis Medina last pitched for Clearwater July 9. The Threshers have listed their starters for the 17th, 18, and 19th. Medina isn’t among them.
So if you they’re interested in any position + an MLB player to offset salary, why don’t they just take Mejia, Kipnis, + from the Indians?
LABRON,MACHADO MOVIES,STARS ETC
Brewers are out as they won’t include Burnes.
LAD offer maxes out at Diaz and one of (May/Lux) + low level lottery ticket
Phil offer maxes out at Medina, Ortiz & JP Crawford.
O’s like both offers, pushing for sweetners, but LAD are at the one yard line.
I was excited at the thought of Manny going to Philly. If Medina, Ortiz, & Crawford were in the deal then I will actually be relieved if it doesn’t happen (I have not seen this particular package reported though). As much as MM would have boosted the lineup, doubtful it would have been enough to get to WS.
Oh well, let me get ready for the Phillies FO to disappoint me this coming offseason the way the Sixers FO just did.
Spot on…..well done
Obviously, the Phillies are offering Sixto Sanchez as the nucleus. May need to add De La Santos and M. Franco to make it happen.
If Sanchez is the nucleus, Manny would be on his way to Philly without question.
Biggest losers are the DBacks. They needed Machado to have a realistic shot at the world series. Their window of contention is rapidly closing and they have a terrible farm system. Hazen has his work cut out for him.
Good, let the Dodgers sell the farm for him so the Brewers can focus on DeGrom and Dozier
They didnt sell their farm. Yes, Dozier is better than Machado.
All is said and done Machado will be a Cub or Yankee by next week
That is not happening.
Please tell us how you know that by divulging your source.
Im joking around I hope Machado does go to a good team though
My reply was to mr insider #Pax.
I’d have loved him but I think brewers are better off sending a big prospect package for degrom or syndaguard. Maybe throw in asdrubal Cabrera with degrom and we are in much better shape
Dodgers is such a weird fit for me…I get Seager is hurt but what happens when he comes back? They’re not gonna bench him and Machado wants to be a SS. Plus with Turner at 3B already what would they do? Bench Turner? Just a very odd fit to me. Phils make a world of sense on paper, yet headlines I’m reading show the Dodgers have all but got him already…
When Seager comes back, Machado will be a Free Agent. Actually kind of a perfect fit. Dodgers get Seager back next year and Machado signs elsewhere.
My bad. For some reason I thought Seager was coming back in time for end of season but apparently he’s out for the season, so if that’s the case then yes it’s a great fit for a few months.
Dkramer you are making the mistake of looking this trade as something other then a rental. Whoever trades for Machado has a rental on there hands and the Dodgers know this. They have the need this year to help them get to the World Series and that is all. Anyone who trades for Machado has to look at it that way because he is going to test free agency.
If Manny resigns with Dodgers you trade Turner
If the Dodgers want him back after the rental, Turner could go back to his old position, 2B, and either Machado or Seager could move to 3B. Seager could also transition to 2B, but less likely.
I could name off a ton of variables because he Dodgers defense has souch flexibility. Taylor, Hernandez, Bellinger and Muncy can all play IF and OF. If Machado fits into the lineup, they could find a way to move the defense.
But Machado has stated he wants to play shortstop. That is not variable
First, Machado playing SS with Seager moving to 2B is one of the variables I presented. Second, I wouldn’t bet that he is too stubborn to look at alternatives. How much would you bet that he only plays SS for the rest of his career?
Manny who???
The most home run he hit was 37
Not that impressive
Jeff Kent much better
Sarcasm? Please be sarcasm…….
It would be interesting seeing Manny traded to an NL team, then sign a 4/5 year contract with that team. If still healthy after that, then test the market one last time and go to where all pre retirement sluggers go….the AL.
Just think we get to go through this all over again in a few weeks with Donaldson.
Cutting it kind of close the Jays only have 11 more games between now and the trade deadline hes headed for a QO most likely, unless he absolutely goes on a tear.
Huge difference.
He’s not even playing!!! No chance he gets moved now by July 31. Jays missed the boat BIG TIME by not moving him in the offseason. Now they’re screwed and he has negative trade value now
Negative trade value? You gotta relax lol
He’s right.
No he’s not. How does Manny have negative trade value?
Machado hits a soft liner to 3rd in his first AB tonight, clutches his leg after running to 1st.
Flood warning in Baltimore for front office tears.
The Orioles are a joke of an organization. Imagine trading a superstar who’s 26 years old.
That’s what happens when he’s going to leave in the offseason and you’re the worst team in baseball that year.
Technically the Royals are even worse than the O’s, but point taken!
Thankfully for KC fans they can fondly remember a WS.
Baltimore? Ugh. Poor buggers.
Maybe so, but I’d happily take KC’s future over Baltimore’s. The Royals have some semblance of what direction they want to go in…the Orioles on the other hand are a dumpster fire (putting it nicely).
So, essentially, twenty-nine MLB teams are in the running for Machado…with the Yankees the only team not in the running. #SafeBet
I would expect the giants, royals, marlins, mets, padres, cardinals, rays, as well as others not persuing and btw: if the yankees were out of the running that would mean 28 teams are in the running unless the orioles were interested in trading to themselves.
Technically the Orioles are on the running for his services. He never said the word trade. The Orioles could end up keeping him if a trade falls through.
It was always going to be the Dodgers. Not only does Dodger ownership likes the media attention that “winning in the off-season ” type transactions. bring, with the loss of SS Corey Seager and their position on top of the NL West, it makes sense. Also, Manny wants the spotlight and don’t forget that I predicted it.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.
What off-seasons have the Dodgers won or tried to win?
Other than resigning their own players, this Dodgers ownership hasn’t really done much “winning the off-season” moves. They sign a lot of low cost high risk players. Not much for superstars.
This is like exactly opposite of how the Dodgers operate. And I’m definitely NOT a Dodgers fan.
Forget Machado and go after some bullpen help and an infielder whose contract you control after this season – Whit Merrifield (Royals)
These are the comments I don’t understand. The two are not mutually exclusive. Secondly the package for years of control for Whit is going to be substantially more and I don’t get it as a comp piece. He’s a good player, but Machado is an impact bat that significantly lengthens your lineup. KC is probably going to expect a substantial package otherwise they don’t really have a need to move him. If some of the reports are true about the basic outlines you’re also turning some of your depth with no basic path to the majors into an impact player and significant int money. So you’re essentially turning guys with not as much trade value into an impact talent and the ability to position yourself on the int market for a an actual need, an advanced hitter who can legitimately stick def in CF.
More over the Dodgers are going to be looking at a significant roster crunch this offseason with a full 40 man and 20+ guys available for the rule 5. With their versatility and the fact that Whit’s a good player, but more of an older comp piece. Seems like a better decision to deal from a position of strength without touching your top prospects. They’d also be clearing out some of the upper level, which quite frankly you’d be losing some guys anyway without compensation. I have no doubt they’ll go get pen upgrades, but this is a no doubter especially when you know they have an OF jam and the versatility of Kikè/Taylor with Smith in AA and the versatility of Barnes. Their impact talent is young and their upper level positional guys sort of need to be moved in one way or another to allow guys to move up the ladder. It’s a no brainer quite honestly.
I predict he gets traded to no one and spends the rest of this season living alone on an island somewhere in the Atlantic.
Haha
Good call West Coast Ryan
Hey… I just went out for 20 minutes to the store for rolling papers. What’s the latest on Manny?
Hi, welcome back. Or is that welcome back, high?
I live in Maine.
You get three guesses.
BlueSky wins comment of the day.
he means Donaldson.
Hope the Dodgers win the Machado sweep stakes because there is nothing that Arte Moreno loves more than beating the Dodgers and winning the off season. Machado to the Angels in free agency is looking real good.
“Winning the offseason” seems like a dubious honor, but you do you.
That would make 2 superstars wasting away in Angel land
Dodgers landing Machado is a luxury; addressing their pen is a necessity.
Agree also Machado so far done nothing in postseason career
Except be the third youngest player to ever hit a playoff homerun? Most of his playoff games were when he was 20 years old. Guess you think Ernie Banks sucks because he never did anything in the playoff either. Idiot comment padre fan.
I think it’s a week-long ploy to drive up the number of “Manny” posts we get
Orioles doing due diligence but I don’t need to know everytime Machado ties his shoe.
I say the same thing about Lebron. I don’t need to know what color hat he’s wearing.
Better be buelher and verdigo
I would be ok with that.
It’s Buehler and Verdugo I wouldn’t trade.
Underrated comment
Seriously doubt it will be both.
Buehler isn’t going in a deal for a rental.
It’s a shame for the Phillies because the infield is really pathetic right now. Not really going to improve with Crawford’s return.
Phillies and yankees fans, we get him in the offseason for free. Sadly not realizing that dodgers can and will go over cap to resign manny if he fits the team.
By “free” you mean likely $300M+? LA positioned themselves to get under the cap and reset their tax hit. But it doesn’t mean that they’ll give Machado a mega contract. Where will he play? Turner’s value is at 3B and he’s horrible defensively at 2B. Seager is at SS where Machado has said he wants to play. Machado doesn’t make long term sense unless Seager is willing to learn to play 1B. Even then LA just adds to their OF glut.
I think this discussion of who will play where, after Manny signs a long-term deal in LA, is very premature. If he has a good experience in LA and IF the Dodgers are open to numbers that will be competitive; the positions individual players play will not be significant drivers. I don’t think any team serious about giving Manny a long-term deal envisions him being a SS. Moreover, I would be very surprised if playing SS ends up being in the top three factors that will most impact Manny’s choice.
Lastly, 5 years from now, I doubt either Seager or Manny will be the starting SS for the LAD.
Seager can play second. I dont forsee dodger trading prospects for 2 months. They created cap flexiblity so they can make a run at prime free agents like harper and machado.
I also think kemp will be moved on offseason due to his age and contract left.
Five years from now? Seager playing second? Wow, can’t we take this one season at a time?
youre clearly mindless if you think the dodgers are going to resign machado. No chance.
Alignment can definitely work. Turner shifting to 1B (which he will probably need to do anyway as he ages), Taylor to 2B, and any combination of Seager and Machado at SS/3B.
Bellinger in CF is very doable, if not a corner spot – he’s athletic and a quality defender who’s probably wasted at 1B anyway.
Nonetheless, in the immediate future and if they re-sign Machado in the offseason, they’ll have options. Options are not bad things.
Wait until Kershaw opts out and the Dodgers lose their best SP
This post makes zero sense. At all.
For everyone who is torturing themselves with the outcome of the Machado saga, prepare to have your fingernails ripped off. It poured down rain in DC today, flooding the dugouts and threatening to potentially delay or even rainout the ASG.
Yeah, ok.
Diaz and May for a Machado rental. That is a good return for the O’s. If that turns out to be who it is, I am very happy with that.
The only place he can “win” is in NEW YORK, anywhere else and its a sole money decision.
Yes assuming deGrom and Syndergaard stay healthy.
Very nice.
This maybe a bold prediction or not but I think he signs an extension with LA before free agency. Cool kids like to live in LA. I see Seager moving to 2b when he comes back.
No. If he wanted to sign an extension it would have happened by now. Machado only truly makes sense for the Dodgers as a rental anyway.
All the salary moves the Dodgers made the last 2 years was leading to this. Years of work and number crunching to get Machado or Harper. Or maybe just Machado all along? They will have an outstanding presentation on why he and his family should stay in LA. Machado will tell them you had me at “hello”.
At the very least he will wait out free agency. There is simply no reason for him to forego the open market at this point. And again, the Dodgers don’t need him beyond this year. They are only interested in him in the first place because Seager went down for the season.
Especially with how bad Harper has been. He will be entering FA in a class of his own
The Dodgers do need him. They need help at 2B. Seager will move there next year. The logical decision in our minds is free agency for Machado. We don’t consider people’s hearts and looking after their families. Does the basketball similarities not apply here at all? LeBron went to LA for less money than CLE. Leonard wants to go to LA so bad it has probably ruined his image some. Baseball players are human too.
Yes we do consider people’s hearts and looking after their families. So how is foregoing free agency, in which he will get more money than an extension even if he does sign with the team that trades for him, looking after his family? The Dodgers (or any team for that matter) are not going to bring their best to the table if they are the only ones allowed to negotiate with him.
And no, i don’t see the Dodgers moving Seager off SS for anything.
Lebron has never chased the money. He doesn’t rely on his salary to make money. Leonard is from the area
Preach!!!! Tell all the yankees fans that, that think they are getting everyone lol
Yet you dodger fans think they’re getting everyone also
We actual get the people we talk about lol. Foh
Yea but that about all you guys get
And…….the Madres get what? Sent packing after the regular season. Yep, that’s it.
There is ZERO chance he signs a extension before hitting the free agent market
I don’t see why the Dodgers couldn’t make the trade contingent on a contract extension.
Because if they do that they aren’t going to get him
It won’t be contingent. He will sign an extension because is a great place to live, especially for the rich.
So he told you he would do this?
The deal is done. They’re waiting until he’s pulled from tonight s game to announce it. Or until it’s over
Machado will go from a hitter friendly park/division to one of the largest parks in a division that has some big parks and solid pitching.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner.
Dodger Stadium has played relatively neutral over the last few years – and that division still includes Coors and AZ Stadium – two launching pads. The Dodgers lead the NL in Home Runs this year, long balls aren’t hard to come by.
Dodger Stadium has been pretty much neutral for about the last dozen years, from whenever it was they extended the field level seats and vastly reduced the size of foul ground. About the only thing it’s still significantly more difficult than average to do in Dodger Stadium is hit a triple.
And getting out of the parking lot! 😉
Ha-ha. You got that right.
The Dodgers currently have 8 regulars with an OPS over .780. This group does not include Justin Turner, at .747. Now they’re adding another bat? I’d be grabbing relievers if I were the Dodgers.
Trading for Manny has nothing to do with looking for arms.
Look at it this way: Now Machado won’t be hitting for the Phillies/Brewers against the Dodgers pitchers in the playoffs.
And tomorrow he will be headed to Cleveland lol
Bad bullpen and injury-prone starters are still their biggest issue. They’re going to get beat 6-4 instead of 6-3 with Machado, big deal.
It would certainly be good for MLB if Machado ended up with the Dodgers, the crown jewel of the league.
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Is that pizza I smell?
WWVSS?
What’s more likely to happen: Machado is injured in the ASG and the trade is never finalized, or he wins the MVP for the American League to give them home field advantage in the WS against his NL team?
Considering the home field advantage thing isn’t a thing anymore… him getting injured
Yes, I’m aware. I’ve just heard so many pessimists saying he’s going to get hurt and the trade will be cancelled.
Well since only one of those things is possible…
I’m guessing a package of Diaz/Santana/Other. Not saying it’s to much or too little it’s just my guess.
So you’re name is “Knowthemarket” and you’re guess is the exact thing that multiple media reports have said. Way to know the market.
Living up to his name I say.
If the Orioles aren’t getting a high end pitching prospect in the trade, it doesn’t make a lot of sense. While the Orioles have a lot of holes, but their biggest one is pitching. The Phillies were reportedly willing to give up Medina, who is one of their top pitching prospects & a top 100 prospect. The Orioles need to get those kind of arms in their system. I get that Diaz is a top 100 prospect himself, but it is easier to find outfielders than pitchers. The Orioles can add all the bats they want, but they’ll never win if they don’t find arms. With all that being said, it is the Orioles choice. They can pick whatever package they feel is the best. Only time will tell if the prospects pan out
Well it is the Orioles…doing what’s best for the organization has never been their strong suit.
Very true
Obviously you aren’t real familiar with the Orioles minor leagues, especially the low A and High A teams.
HALL
Lowther
Bauman
Not to mention the first And pick in this draft of Rodriguez and Knight plus most likely the first pick in the draft next year. Considering all those I mentioned are under 22 and dominating. A pitcher would have been great however when these guys are all ready you will see most will be homegrown. We needed talent at every position, including outfield.
The All Star trophy will probably still be warm when we hear the news of Machado to LAD
He’ll probably go to the dodgers which will make them better but it won’t make them the favorite to win the WS or even go to it. They’re going to give up the farm for someone whose only going to make them a little better when they have so many other pressing needs.
I don’t think Diaz and May/Santana is the farm. Don’t be a salty Giants fan because they won’t rebuild like all arm chair Giants fans.
How is that being salty? It’s the truth. Regardless if you think it’s the farm or not, it’s still going to just make them a little better and no matter what, they’re still not going to be the best team and it will be for a kings ransom.
The Cubs are still the best team in the NL.
With what pitching? Lmao
“With what pitching” bruh first off that shows you ignut.
Position players Cubs>Dodgers.
Dodgers might eek into the playoffs but then show quickly closes.
the Gints will be getting smaller and smaller in the Dodgers’ rear view mirror…
Gonna need to see some hugs in the AL dugout tonight. #HugWatch
Don’t you all forget how bad Darvish wanted back in LA? I believe he delayed his signing for a bit to try and give LA time to move salary. Machado will resign.
Where will he play? Seager will be back?
No CobiEven. You’re wrong. When Darvish signed with the Cubs he said something along the lines of his #1 goal was to beat the Dodgers. Sounds like there’s some hard feelings there. Trading for Machado isn’t necessarily going to make him want to sign in LA more and even if it does, he still won’t agree to an extension.
Darvish wanted to return to the Dodgers, and he DID delay signing for that reason. That was widely reported. He was saving face when he said he wanted to beat the Dodgers. What did you expect him to say when he signed with the Cubs? And he said it with a big grin.
“What did you expect him to say when he signed with the Cubs?”
That he wanted to beat the Cardinals or someone else in their division? Calling out the Dodgers didn’t sound like something you would do in that situation unless you meant it.
Darvish did not want to go back to LA and for “reports” who cares. It was reported the Diamondbacks would get Machado. Brewers would get him. Phillies…. big deal
He said it to a Los Angeles reporter when they specifically asked him. He wouldn’t have answered, “The Cardinals.” Again, he SAID several times that he wanted to return. That is a fact.
Red you sound like your are trying to talk yourself into believing he will actually make it to free agency. Not very confident sounding. He will remain with dodgers they adjusted there books just for this winter. Its okay just fade into obscurity with whatever non playoff team you support.
Dude, he has literally said he is testing free agency. Dodgers are getting the remainder of his 2018 season and nothing more. If you can’t see that then I dunno what to tell you.
I am not the person saying Machado is going to re-sign.
Comment was directed at imindless. Sounds like a good name for him.
Red you missed the sarcasm, regardless if he goes free agent he will resign. Trust me when i tell you this in 2019 all you dodger haters will be moaning how we get the best players. Dodgers planned for this. Ragingrooster may be a better name for you.
Now that’s ironic, redrooster, considering how you were the one who said over and over that Machado isn’t going to be traded.
How would you like your crow, cold or with some nice gravy?
I listen to cubs radio all day and I am a die hard Cubs fan… Darvish never wanted to sign back with the Dodgers.. as a matter of fact he blames his injury on them and said they didn’t take care of his arm
Lol ok
Lol you guys forgot, machado is going to the Cubs. He said his dream was to win a World Series with almora Jr.
@imindless lotto numbers pls
@BlueSkyLA ha! The trade still hasn’t been finalized so take a seat.
Anyway, that was a bold prediction like I said. Machado not signing an extension… not so much.
imindless..bruh you simple as hell
The Darvish meltdowns in TWO WS starts will never be forgotten or forgiven. good riddance
As a Giants fan, we will never forget, that’s for sure. I watch it on YouTube when I’m having a bad day.
Ah, so now it was a “bold” prediction instead of a completely wrong prediction? HA is right.
FWIW, I agreed with you on the extension. I would not see that happening anywhere, and least of all, with the Dodgers.
Not necessarily wrong. Reports indicate that the deal has now hit a snag because the Orioles aren’t happy with one of the prospects’ medicals…
Klentak proving once again he is over his head as a GM.
Not really. Friedman just felt two months of Machado was worth more than Klentak did. How will Klentak look if he signs Machado in the offseason and the Dodgers are left with nothing?
Nothing? You get to audition your club and city for a few months in a playoff run for Machado. Even if you don’t resign him you have to chances (trade prospects) to win a World Series. It also tells the players on the field giving it their all that today is more important than tomorrow. Some of these guys wont be on the Dodgers when Diaz and May start making a difference at the MLB level so who do you think they would rather have?
Auditioning your club and city for two months is absolutely worthless. Certainly not something you trade Diaz and May for. The playoff run, sure. But the Dodgers basically have to win the World Series this year for that to be worth it. The Dodgers make the playoffs every year. Another playoff run with an early exit won’t mean much to them.
I have a feeling redroosters is brian cashmans burner account. Trolling so hard right now
Simple Simon says
Yes you are trolling
Bruh evidently you simple also..hahaha
early exit? game 7 of WS is an early exit?
There aren’t too many times when prospect values outweigh the value of an established player, especially if one of the prospects has an elbow issue.
Won’t believe it until he’s wearing a dodger uniform
Like if Dodgers still don’t win the WS even with Machado.
I love how for weeks, people have been saying what a waste it would be to trade for machado, now so many people are saying how other teams are missing out. Hypocrites.
The Orioles might not win again
…..guess the Refsnyder deal fell through……..
Yankees fans sound sad that they lost out on the real prize of free agency. Harper is a bum go ahead and sign him for a bag and he will hit .240 for the next decade. Dodgers will throw the bag at him trust, seager was never a great ss and with tj he will slide over to second where strong arm isnt necessary. Manny can play short for the duration of turners tenure then slide manny over and bring up lux to play there. I smell a paul george scenario with machado just watch!
Paul George scenario? Not sign with L.A. either?
No in the fact like okc where traded for him and he resigned despite desired interest in other teams.
Actually, even as a Phillies fan, there’s more of a likelihood that Machado signs with the Crankees in the off season.
Seager was never a great SS… Machado is literally the worst fielding SS in the league right now according to the numbers. Oh you think batting average is important. Never mind not worth arguing with lol
Be nice to see.
The last slugger the Yanks signed from Baltimore worked out pretty good.
Harper isn’t a bum – he just likely isn’t going to get, or deserve to get, the $450mil contract people were waffling on about.
Seager is a great SS – nearly 13 fWAR over the last two seasons heading into this year, and he’s only 24 years old. The kid is legit.
Your username is pretty accurate – I don’t need to repeat it.
Harper is overrated if you cant see this the we have nothing further to discuss. As many others have mentioned dodgers have flexibility to shift pieces around one being seager and turner. Seager will be coming off tj and defensive metrics are trending down in recent years dating back to his minors days. Footspeed is the first thing to go. Turner only has a couple more years then what dodgers have no infield prospects unless they convert ct3 back into an infielder or utilize muncy there but metrics dont agree there. In other words yall just mad your teams didnt get a talent like machado, i would be too.
.226 BABIP. Harper is not going to end the 2018 season hitting .214. He will be hitting around .280/.380/.550 when its all said and done with 40 HR and 100 plus RBI. Another 6-7 WAR season. It will get him a 12 year $400 million deal.
Seager is done for the year. No sense in even discussing him until he comes back. Even if he does return in the same form he showed in 2017, he is not going to keep the Dodgers from signing Machado.
.280 is a little ambitious. The season is already half over. He’s already had a lot of at-bats. I would have to say more in the .240-.245 range.
Agreed. He would have to hit like .350 the rest of the way to get to .280
Man i cant wait to watch dodger fans act like they didnt want machado long term and say how hes not that great when he signs elsewhere.
I really wish i could screen shot and post pictures of comments like these
I love la fans talking trash yet havent won a title since the late 80’s.
Losers.
Poor Yankees fans. They only got Giancarlo Stanton.
Dodger fans calling. Who takes a seat with this trade?
Depends on LHP and RHP but usually Toles or Pederson. Taylor can play CF or 2b. Bellinger 1b and CF. Muncy 1b 2b or 3b. It’s going to be perfect.
Everybody! But here’s the basics: Taylor to 2B, Mundy sticks to 1B and 3B on Turner off days. Bellinger is CF and 1B on Turner off days. Forsythe will get traded somewhere… The Kemp, Puig, Bellinger main OF’s, but plenty of opportunity for Kiké and Joc as Kemp takes days and Bellinger moves to 1B occasionally.
If the dodgers fans haven’t been watching the games, the dodgers for years now have been great at using their depth they keep guys fresh virtualy a different lineup every night.
thought they wanted pitchers
Ugh…just threw up in my mouth a little.
Not a fan of either team but I would think White or Santana would have made more sense as the headliner. Orioles need pitching, and from the dodgers perspective don’t forget that they paid $31M to sign Diaz less than three years ago. That’s an awfully big investment to trade away, even if he’s not the top hitting prospect in the organization.
We don’t know Diaz is the only top prospect. Everyone assumes he’s headlining the deal because he’s the only one known. It could be more.
5 prospects headed by Diaz for 2 1/2 months of Machado. Outstanding job Duke. Diaz was fantastic in the Futures Game. Guess we have to wait to see who the others are. That’s fine. Hopefully it’s pitchers. Christmas in July.
What I don’t get is how do we know Diaz is the headliner? He’s just the one prospect that was leaked/rumored via Os scouts at the Futures game. It could be other top prospects too.
Hey was wondering what anyone thought of this trade. Cubs David Bote, Ian Happ, Addison Russel, and their 2 and 4 prospects for deGrom and Cabrera. I think it’s underpay, but was wondering others thoughts?
ummm buddy that is an underpay. there will be much better options for degrom out there. the prospects suck for one, bote is a guy, addison is not anything elite and happ isnt this next big thing
Well I was thinking because bote had showed in his little time he can play and I forgot Caratini in the trade. My bad
Russel offers young age but experience with already having won a World Series and Caratini has also been good. Happ has started picking up
Please cite the example where a contender trades multiple 25 man roster players for established superstar. These kinda trades hardly ever happen. All the GMs are against huge risks. Most trades are established player for all prospects.
May, Jackson, Heredia, Lux and Heredia are my guesses
Prepare yourselves for “Mannywood pt. 2” posts everywhere
i believe it’s “part deux.”
Hey the Orioles finally have a prospect via international signing on the books! Things are looking up (although how could they get more down?)
Only may, errol robinson, diaz for manny machado and cash and international spending money.
“Only” gave up Diaz, May, and Robinson for 2 1/2 months of Machado. That’s a very nice get for Baltimore.
While it may be a nice get for Baltimore, it’s still the baseball equivalent of couch cushion money to the Dodgers.
Which makes Machado a pretty nice get himself.
I’m honestly pretty disappointed we’re giving up Diaz. I know you gotta give up good talent to get a player like Machado, even if only a rental, but I wish it could have been someone else
Guarantee the geek squad didn’t want to make this deal! Sounds like Walter and co. want to go all in this year, which means more help is on the way. Floro was a good get, but they need a dominant 7th/8th inning arm.
You know what they say, you know you made a good deal when it hurts.
I wonder what the Yankees and Phillies offered
Unless Yankees offered Torress or Sheffield or a premium player no way Orioles were sending Machado to the Yankees in any deal unless it was an outrageous overpay. They might have even taken a little less to ship him out to the NL.
That sounds ridiculous cause like everyone else on these boards you have no friggin idea.
Yeah, as far as players that the Yankees offered of course he doesn’t know. What I took from his comment was that he believed it would have taken some of the highest rated prospects from their system to get the Orioles to trade MM to them (the same opinion that has been said over and over by “experts” and fans alike).
My opinion is that you could use some reading comprehension.
No package was divulged that Cashman offered and no expert like your man,did anything but speculate. So he should of posted “I believe or I think” instead of how he came across as in the know. You read it and got that from his post, that was specifically literal by the way, and you got “he believed” well you could use another course in reading comprehension..Richard.
Yankees said the top 10 prospects were off limits.
Source?
Internet
This was pretty widely reported. Seems like a smart move by the Cashman, too. They would’ve had to a pay a premium for the intra-division aspect, and their offense isn’t really the problem. Adding Machado always helps, but they’d be much, much better off trying to find a starter. If they lose in the postseason, it’ll be because Severino can’t pitch every game. Even with their offense, it’s gonna be hard to win a postseason series when you’re facing Verlander-Cole-Morton-McCullers or Kluber-Bauer-Clevinger-Carrasco and you have to put Sabathia, Tanaka, and Gray out there.
Then it must be true.
I agree, no way he was going there. They wanted Sheffield and another of their top players. Yankees did not want to get rid of them and have the potential of them turning out great and have to face them for the next 10 or so years
A source just told me Machado is likely going to the Dodgers
As a Dodgers fan I am not excited about this trade. They are giving away high ceiling prospects for a pure rental. We don’t need more offense, We need PITCHING!! and should be using these prospects to get DeGrom or a shutdown reliever
I don’t think the Mets will trade DeGrom or Syndergaard this deadline, but I agree the Dodgers should look for pitching rather than rental bats…..Althought Machado makes this team offensive scary for the post-season.
What pitching is available for the Dodgers to trade for that would make more of an impact than Machado?
The pitching isnt horrible but losing Seager and his production was killer so getting a bat and glove like Machado more then makes up for losing him. When you bring in a player of his caliber will lift that locker room and beyond make them feel they are the favorites.
You’re aware he’s the worst defensive SS in the league, right?
Machado is an elite defender at third base. His 4.4 dWAR in 2013 was the 8th highest ever, and 2nd highest for a third baseman (behind Brooks Robinson’s 4.5 in 1968).
However, he’s been dreadful at short. His dWAR (-1.3) is the 12th worst in baseball this season, and the worst by any infielder apart from Asdrubal Cabrera. For Defensive Runs Saved, he ranks second-worst (-19), with only Charlie Blackmon having worse numbers.
It might be partly rust, but it seems like he may have just outgrown the position. There are only a handful of shortstops as tall as him, and he’s lost a lot of speed (his sprint speed ranks 385th out of 486 players this season). He’s still athletic, but doesn’t have the range for shortstop. However, that athleticism, his height, and his cannon of an arm are the perfect skill-set for third.
There’s no top pitching available. Unless you know something front offices around he league don’t know? Machado is a top 5 Postion player in all of baseball.
The Dodgers are bringing in a just-turned 26-year-old, top-5 in all of baseball offensive player without, it appears, giving up a top two ranked pitching or hitting prospect. They are financially positioned to woo Machado in 2018 and offer him a huge contract for 2019 and beyond. And you’re not excited?
Pitching? Whaat?? Kershaw,stripling, buehler, Maeda, Hill not good enough?? Is the best ERA in the NL not good enough for you? Dodgers NEED bats not pitching.
The Baltimore Orioles have made the decision to trade his talents to…
If it is 5 for 1, this has the potential to be like the Erik Bedard trade that brought Adam Jones and others to Baltimore. Ignoring Bedard’s spectacular failure in Seattle, no one could have seen that coming, let’s look at the rest of the deal. Top prospects fail, not all do but some do, and you never know which so in a way getting quantity over quality makes sense. Adam Jones turned out to be the key piece in the Bedard deal, and he was expected to be, but they also got former All Star closer George Sherrill and former All Star starter Chris Tillman in that deal. NO ONE had Sherrill on prospect radars at the time. Tillman is a shell now and Sherrill is long out of the league, but both made significant contributions to the Orioles over the years.
Sherrill wasn’t a prospect at the time of the Befard trade. He was a MLB RP throw-in.
Oh, you are right, but the point remains the same. Sherrill was not highly thought of at the time of the trade.
The point is not the same. He was an MLB caliber pitcher, not a prospect. Your point suggested quantity over quality is good. I disagree. Quality is always preferred. As you said prospects do not all workout. Therefore you need quality ones to increase your odds. Your earlier post shows Jones (who was quality) and then for prospects only Tillman worked out. No other prospects did.
You’re comparing Bedard, a pitcher to Machado, a Top 5 position player in MLB? Youre as dumb as a box of rod with that statement.
So basically they are trading him for peanut shells, typical Oriole trade. Get rid of good players, get garbage in return.
That’s not peanuts. Two top prospects, and then some.
Yea two solid highly thought of prospects plus some lottery tickets is probably the best they were going to do
They are getting people who probably won’t be ready for another 4 years. The problem is the Orioles need proven MLB pitchers in the rotation. Young kids trying to make a name for themselves in that stadium is not going to happen. Young arms get killed there. Case in point Arrieta, could not get it together there then gets traded and completely turns his career around. The Orioles will never win a WS with young arms.
Park factors indicate that Camden Yards is a pretty neutral stadium.
Arrieta didn’t go from a 5.46 ERA / 1.47 WHIP / 7.0 K/9 pitcher to a 2.73 ERA / 1.03 WHIP / 8.9 K/9 pitcher because he moved to Wrigley (which, by most measures, it’s a more hitter-friendly park). That was the brilliance of Chicago’s staff (or the incompetence of Baltimore’s).
Both May and Diaz are projected to be ready by 2020, two years. Not 4 years. 2019 will definitely be a rebuildng year regardless of the return.
Diaz is the #47 prospect according to Baseball America’s updated list.
What team was offering a better player? Hiura was off the table. Sixto Sanchez was off the table. I’m sure Mejia, Bieber, and McKenzie weren’t being moved. Yankees weren’t willing to give anyone in their top 10.
May is also part of the centerpiece.
Hi, just woke up from a strange dream.
Dreamt that Ken Rosenthal told me Manny might be going to the Mets for DeGrom.
Any news yet? :0)
Yeah, I’ve got some news for you: don’t eat big meals so close to bedtime!
So far that’s the Dodgers #4, #10, and #18 prospects not counting apparently 2 more players.
Wonder if Max Muncy would be winning ti give up his number for Machado. Logan Forsythe refused to do it for Yu. Max Muncy seems less full of himself than Forsythe. I think he will just for a temporary basis.
Willing. Stupid autocorrect
I was wondering the same thing, he was #3 in high school, and #13 w/ orioles.
Heyman’s tweet is actually interesting. There is no doubt that all three of these players (Diaz, May and Lux) have been moving up in the Dodgers’ evaluations of their own prospects. May could well be a #2 and if Lux continues to solidify his power and make progress controlling the strike zone he could be an everyday MLB SS. I think Diaz is clearly a top 5 prospect in the Dodger system and will immediately become the Orioles’ #1.
For whatever reason(s), Friedman clearly wants Manny and was willing to become the top bidder. While the very top end of the LAD prospect rankings (Verdugo, Ruiz, White and Diaz) is no longer full of top 25 MLB prospects–it is very, very deep. I’m guessing that by including Diaz (and either May or Lux) along with three flyers, the Dodgers’ were able to win the bidding war with both quality and quantity.
I have no idea which of May or Lux is the better prospect. It appears that one has been included and we will have to live with it. For a rental, the Orioles did just fine after waiting too long to deal an incredible asset. For the Dodgers, I sense success on this deal will come down to at least one of two desired outcomes being achieved: 1) winning a WS, or 2) resigning Manny.
I am hearing there is a snag in the trade, I know this will come as a shock but Orioles got concerns over the medicals on a couple prospects.
Orioles always
Dodgers have placed Diaz and Ruiz on inactive list, sounds like C Ruiz is part of the deal
They were away for the Futures game and weren’t available last night.
even so it would make sense Dodgers have great a depth at C (Smith, Farmer) whereas Orioles do not have much.
I hope this is a domino effect. This move happens then everyone else start going haywire to play catch up. Yankees add a big bat to even it out. Then Boston does it. Then the next thing you know a couple of the rebuilding teams get gutted of their veteran trade pieces and are forced to play their prospects to see where they are in terms of readiness for the everyday majors. Could be a fun trade deadline this year.
As a Dodgers fan I would not mind the Dodgers giving up a few above average prospects to be able to dump off the useless Forsythe, freeing up luxury tax space and possibly adding Zach Britton although that would be very unlikely, but definitely one of the best deals at the trade deadline.
That would be nice!
Guys, im freaking out here! It’s been a solid 3 hours without any updates on #mannywatch is the deal done? Is a mystery team swooping in at the 24th hour with a sweeter offer? the suspense is killing me!!
Not really….just want this to be over with.
#thedecision2.0
Here’s a shocker. The Orioles have hung up the deal with the Dodgers over a medical issue. One of the prospects must have had a sprained ankle in the 10th grade. Is there a worse run organization in sports than the Orioles?
When is this deal gonna be announced? For something that was apparently done, it sure is taking long to make it official
There’s also the fact Logan spent years in the AL east and the familiarity factor. soundcloud downloader