Fangraphs recently released its annual rankings of the top 50 most valuable contracts in baseball, or the players who would have the highest value in a trade. High atop the list sits a pair of Indians infielders (Jose Ramirez and Francisco Lindor), while Aaron Judge, Mike Trout and Carlos Correa round out the top five. The rankings take into account the amount of money each player is owed and the length of his contract in relation to his expected future performance. While the list is top-heavy with young stars (as one might expect), there are a few surprising names later down in the rankings, and a few top prospects even make the list.
Speaking of trades…
- Twins second baseman Brian Dozier has drawn trade interest from the Brewers, reports Darren Wolfson of KSTP. That comes as little surprise considering the tight NL Central pennant race and the fact that Milwaukee’s second basemen have combined for the third-worst production in baseball to date. However, Wolfson also reports that another (unnamed team) has been “showing stronger interest”. For their part, the Twins (who now sit 8.5 games out of first place in the division) are open to moving Dozier.
- The Yankees tried to acquire left-hander Brad Hand (who recently went to the Indians), but balked when they were asked to include young third baseman Miguel Andujar in the return, reports Andy Martino of SNY. That’s just one name the club had been targeting in a search for pitcher, but the prices for some of the available names (Cole Hamels and J.A. Happ, for instance), remain “insane” according to Martino.
- The trade interest in Orioles lefty Zach Britton is “intensifying”, according to Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com. Kubatko says that he expects Britton to be the “next Oriole out the door.” The Braves have thrown their hat into the ring recently, while the Cubs, Astros, Phillies, Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers and Giants have also been “in the mix”. As Kubatko aptly points out, the removal of Hand from the pool of available names should turn a lot of attention towards Britton.
I don’t watch Britton on a daily basis but based off his stats this year and last he’s definitely not the same Britton he once was. Injuries have bit him.
Then you have to watch. He’s back to previous form. If the O’s package Givens with him they’ll get a top prospect. Britton alone will bring 1 or 2 mid level prospects. Whoever gets Britton will get a difference maker in their bullpen. I’m guessing it’s Houston.
You’ll need more to get a top
Maybe a mid level for both
Givens is controllable for years. He alone could get a mid level guy.
Got a question wasn’t Givens the starting ss for Baltimore at one time a couple yrs ago?
To maximize the Os rebuild they can’t package them. They need young guys who will develop into potential big league regulars. The only way to do that for rentals is to get A-AA young guys who are potentially blocked. Houston, Yankees, Boston, Atlanta (infielders) r just a could that don’t have much room in the near future for certain positions prospects that could give up a 2-3rd best shortstop (for example) in there system for one of the relievers. Those guys in Houston or The Yankees r better then the top prospect at said position for the Os
chophawk…he had 2 hiccups. 0.1 innings and 4 er against Atlanta and 1.0 innings and 2 er against Seattle. Otherwise he has has 13 other appearances….13.1 IP and a o.oo era including 7 straight scoreless outings.
Lol yes if you take out all the times he’s been roughed up he’s been great!!!
It’s a lot of money still left to pay him but the upside is certainly there.
It’s 1.1 innings yeah the Era is inflated and does t reflect how good he is doing.
Britton has less than a handful of bad outings in the last 3 seasons.
Ive seen him do it to the Yankees multiple times. When he’s on he looks incredible
He had one bad outing but since then he’s been looking like his old self. But from the outside looking in you can’t really tell what he’s looking like. I think teams know what they’re getting with a healthy Britton.
This is what happens when you evaluate solely on statistics.
If the Yankees value their prospects so much then they’re gonna have to wait to win a title. As of now there’s 2 AL teams that are just better (BOS&HOU) and maybe 3 (CLE). Either part with young talent now or wait till next year.
They don’t value them too much they’re just not going to overpay. There’s a difference.
I understand their philosophy. It’s just where they are…. either part with a prospect or 2 (or 3), or wait till next year.
That makes no sense Tonypro. So you would simply overpay and just “part with” 2-3 good prospects because a team asked?
Hand brought back ONE good prospect. ONE. But you would give 3? And Andujar is doing it in the big leagues and alone is a much better return than what Hand brought back and Andujar alone was TOO high a price to pay
So its wait til next year because they did not get Hand??
The Yankees are BEHIND the Sox and Astros and maybe even Cleveland. That means they’ll have to give up more talent to GET more talent. They’re the ones that have to close the gap. Or…. wait till next year.
Wait till nest year doesn’t even make sense. . Neither Hand or Britton is going to make up the deficit with Boston. Andujar will be the centerpiece of a trade for a starter or the Yankees will likely only add fringe pieces.
There’s no way Boston finishes the year close to a .700 winning percentage.
Make the best move for your team, build for the post season and roll the dice. That’s what the playoffs are anyways.
So you’re conceding that there’s nothing the Yankees can do to make up some of the distance between Boston and Houston? Since when do the Yankees wait? IWhat’s gonna happen in the playoffs is the same that happened last year. They’ll lose with this team as it is. Like I said… if they do nothing, then wait till next year.
The Yankees have two ways they usually approach the trade deadline.
1-Improve on obvious weaknesses.
2-If the cost is too high or the quality too low to make marked improvements on those weaknesses, then accentuate the strengths and make them stronger (Offensive and bullpen).
There are 10 days left. Plenty of time to make more moves. Yanks were interested in Hand in case they can’t find a high end starter. But the bullpen is already one of the best. While they may want Hand they certainly don’t want to do so at the cost of weakening strengths on the mlb level. Andujar is our starting 3b on pace to hit somewhere between 15-20 hrs and 40-45 doubles. He can’t be valued as a “prospect”. There’s a lot more we know about Andujar and his ability to succeed at the mlb level vs say, a guy in AA or AAA with no mlb experience. Even though we have other options at 3b the Yanks like what they see out of him and would probably be more open to moving Drury than Andujar.
I agree that it’s better to pass on Hand and keep Andujar. I’m sure there are other players that Cashman has his eyes on and 10 more days to do so.
Yankees prospects have always been overvalued.
You said it man.
First off, every fanbase tends to overvalue their own prospects. However, Andujar is NOT a prospect. He’s a rookie on his way to having a 15-20 hr and 40-45 doubles season. They were correct in valuing 6 years of control for a 3b vs 3 years of a relief pitcher set to earn $24 mil in the next 3 years, especially when we have one of the best bullpens in baseball.
Yanks also have a great track record of late in how they use their prospects. Every player that appeared in today’s game either came from our minors or were acquired via trade using prospects from our minors. That’s “not nothing”.
See this key, I agree. The word “prospect” gets thrown around too much. Andujar is not a prospect, neither is Torres. They have proven they are actual ML talent. The same when people say the Cubs have no “top prospects” and I’d agree, BUT what they do have is a core of young, cost controlled proven ML talent that were recently “prospects”. Obviously those players have the most value.
That’s why every team that contacts the Yanks bring up Andujar and Torres, or when the call the Cubs it’s Bryant, Baez, Russell, Happ, Contreras, Schwarber, Almora, Edwards, etc… these players essentially cost the same salary wise as prospects yet they have proven not to be busts, rather proven ML talents.
They think their $5 bills are Hundos.
Wait til the postseason bud then we will see if you keep that same energy
Is that why they have a winning record against all three of those teams?
A winning record against teams in the regular season means nothing unless you win the division.
Lol…yup they are 5 – 4 against the Red Sox so far this year… so if the Yanks go 6-4 against them the rest of the year.. but lose games to the Mets and Baltimore what’s that going to matter.
So NY42, are you suggesting they stay put? I’m sure you’ll be thrilled if they lose the wild card game or divisional round after not making a single move.
Yankees fans now: “don’t give up any young talent for rentals”.
Yankees fans later: “Cashman should be fired for sitting on his hands while other contenders improved their teams”.
Yes indeed, even the Red Sox are gonna make some kind of addition.
Of course they could make a move and still lose, or not make any move and win. All are possibilities. The Yankees will make the playoffs, regardless of whether they make a move. From there, its a crapshoot. Making a move to get into the playoffs makes more sense, then trading a prospect for a relief pitcher that may not even appear in a wild card game.
Who’s saying that? I think what we’re saying is, let’s not trade our starting 3b to strengthen what is already, arguably, the best bullpen in baseball. Why weaken one position (not sure what to expect from Drury) to make an incremental upgrade to a fantastic bullpen?
They have plenty of young talent, but are not willing to part with Andujar for a reliever. Guarantee you if the Mets wanted Andujar in a package for DeGrom, they’d do it.
It’s not that they won’t part with their young talent, but they won’t give it away.
they want torres in return for degrom
They want Andujar and Torres probably.
I bet if the bullpen was really an area of need for them they would have given more thought to andujar for hand. With the rotation being much more of a need, I would have said no also
Should have done it for Cole
1. I don’t think they can’t trade Torres if he’s on the DL
2. There’s no way they are trading him anyways m
3: however they should know from trading with the Cubs that it takes giving Up studs to win s ship
I’m a Yanks fan and CLE is not better than the Yanks.
The depth at A & AA is better than mosts AAA and it is interesting to see where the young talent will help-either in trades now or two-three years down the road.
We’re talking about this year not “two-three years down the road”.
They aren’t giving florial sheffield or andujar for rentals and mediocre players.
I don’t think he was talking about “mediocre players”.
Cleveland isn’t strong in AAA and is just ok in AA. Further away they have some nice young players on their A ball teams and in the Arizona league.
There’s probably 20 other teams in baseball that wouldn’t give up a 22 year old 3rd basemen having success in the bigs. Not overvaluing. Actually properly evaluating
Couldn’t agree more.
Its idiotic to think the Yankees should trade their 22 year old starting 3rd baseman for a reliever with over a 3 era that would be 6th on their bullpen depth chart. It’s dumb that this has to be explained. No team is doing that. It’s not logical that anyone thinks the Yankees should do that. If it was the Braves instead of the Yankees people would be blasting the Padres for trying.
I think part of it is they do not want to trade a top 10 prospect or 2-3 good prospects in a deal for players like Happ/Hamels/Eovaldi etc…
Those guys in the playoffs against Sox/Indians/Houston won’t strike fear in anyone
deGrom and Thor aren’t getting dealt and the rest of the starting pitching talent available is nothing exciting
Kyle tucker as the 50th most valuable contract in baseball…wow
I wouldn’t mind Atlanta picking up Britton if the price isn’t too costly. Unfortunately it appears there will be a lot of bidding for his services that is likely to drive up the price.
I think everyone would like to add Britton at the right cost. Baltimore just needs one of those teams to see the competition and up the ante
Britton & Givens for Fried & Kyle Fuller
LOL not hardly. That would be a drastic overpay.
I’d take toussaint straight up from Britton, I think it’s good value on both ends, Braves have a shot to improve the chances of a deep post season run, not to mention while he’s number 10 on the organizational depth for Atlanta he’d easily be top five for the orioles
And before this gets crapped all over allow me to point out that the Braves can’t have 15 starting pitchers on the opening day roster next year so yes toussaint is a quality prospect but the Braves have ten more as good or better
Actually I wouldn’t be surprised if by the end of the season Touki Toussaint rockets up the charts as a top 50 prospect in all of baseball. While I could be shocked, I sincerely doubt that he would be included going back for a rental. In fact I’d think instead it would be more likely that he’d be promoted to pitch late innings that dealt for late inning help.
The only prospects I’d say that have better potential would probably be Soroka, Wright, and Gohara. Maybe Fried and Anderson.
Guys like Muller, Wentz, or Wilson might however be dealt for a high end rental, but not Touki.
Touki Rule 5 eligible this offseason IIRC
Which means Atlanta will have him added to the 49 man before the draft even if he doesn’t get big league action this season.
But you are correct in pointing out that he will be rule 5 eligible. There will be a roster crunch though on the Braves 40 this off season so some prospects will be dealt. I’m fine with that for sure. As I said though, I don’t expect Touki to be dealt for a rental,
So because we have so many good pitching prospects we will just give you one of our best and vastly overpay? Sound logic. Touki is in our top 5 prospects after this season. No way he gets shipped for Britton.
FYI, Mr. Downing:
Your Fangraphs link for Brewers second base production is somewhat misleading. Clicking the “2B” on the middle row, as you did, considers the total production for all players “qualified” at second base — including stats compiled while they played other positions. Could be misleading and definitely distorts counting stat comparisons like WAR between teams — for example, the Cubs get credit for the total production of Baez AND Zobrist at all positions by this method.
It would probably be better to leave that row on the default “All” and instead use the split drop-down to select “2B” which just gets the stats of those who have played second base, only while they played second base. That puts each team on roughly equal footing.
In this case, it doesn’t make much difference — Brewers second base production is poor by either search — but I consider it a best practice to use the split drop down for this kind of comparison.
This is actually set for “Minimum PA: 0”, so it shows all combined production.
The Yankees are going to have to give up someone another team wants (Andujar/Sheffield) rather than the pieces they want to give up (Frazier) if they expect to obtain a top deadline player.
But not at the cost of overpaying
Why do people think “the cost of overpaying” is a bad thing when that is why they stocked up on prospects in the first place. If you can’t utilize them on the big league club then what is the biggie.
Exactly. Every time I read how the Cubs way overpaid for Chapman I know it’s someone who doesn’t grasp the fact that using your prospects to TRADE for a ML ready need is just as important as bringing them up in the farm. The Cubs had one hole on that team and it was closer.
You might be willing to overpay IF what you’re getting is an impact player that satisfies your greatest need. The bullpen is a strength that makes sense to make stronger IF and ONLY IF, the value your sending is commensurate with the benefit. Trading your starting 3b opens up a hole and I’m not sure if Drury would be an upgrade. Even so, I think the Yanks would be able to get a high end starting pitcher if they were to build a deal around Andujar, Frazier and another prospect. To use it to get Hand is a gross mistake.
BTW, the Yanks have done exactly what you say they should do. They’ve spun at least 10-15 prospects into Hicks, Stanton, Didi, Sonny, Drury, Robertson, Green, German and Warren via trades. They did that while holding on to Judge, Bird, Torres, Sanchez, Andujar, Severino, Montgomery, Frazier and still have a farm rated among the top 5-8 probably.
Yankees don’t have to make a trade
Yes they do.
You’re right. If they wanna finish 2nd and risk a wild card game, they don’t have to make a trade.
They need to make the RIGHT trade….
Bullpen and offense > than their starting pitching
Andujar > Hand
Exactly right Bucfan
That’s the unfortunate thing about having an elite prospect or two everybody wants. Every trade discussion begins and ends on that piece and the other team won’t go down he line. If #1-2 weren’t there and their best prospect at #3 we’re actually #1 you might have a deal, but as it is they don’t get there.
Every trade Cleveland tried to work probably all started with Mejia/McKenzie, now that Mejia is gone it will be interesting to see what other deals could be made.
Do you think Brad Hand for Andujar+prospects is a fair deal though? Sick of people saying “Yankees have to be willing trade!” but that doesn’t mean just giving away players for a lackluster return,
The Yankees have the best bullpen in baseball, Brad Hand is not worth as much to them as he is to the Indians (who have literally the WORST bullpen).
Seeing as it was Mejia for Hand and another pretty good reliever, I find it hard to believe it would’ve been Andujar+ for Hand…
Agree put Hand in NY it’s crumble city
Look at Hand last night gives up 2 run homer
Are you really a Padre fan?
From what I read Padres wanted a 1 for 1 swap of Hand for Andujar. Don’t blame Yankees for not doing it but isn’t really a huge overpay or unreasonable. Hand has a team friendly contract and control.
Why is that bucsfan? If you are talking DeGrom level sure you are right. But if you are talking Hand or JA Happ or Wheeler or Hamels then hell no they do not
Obviously they didn’t want want to give up a quality prospect or they would have had Hand. If it’s a sellers market the prices are going to be high and every time a name comes off the board prices go up.
The Yanks don’t have to give up top prospects for second tier rentals but second tier rentals won’t help you win a WS.
Exactly. They aren’t going to give up a top prospect for a second tier player, which makes sense. At the same time, the Yankee arrogance of “we’ll take your best players, but don’t expect us to give you anything of quality in return” because a trade should have to “hurt” the Yankees gets old quickly.
Andujar is NOT a prospect. He’s a rookie in the majors on his way to a 15-20 hr and 40-45 doubles season. His risk factor is much less than a top prospect in AA or AAA. Why can’t that be appreciated? Show me ANY deal for a elite or non-elite relief pitcher involving a rookie already producing at the mlb level?
That’s almost like saying the Indians should’ve traded Jose Ramirez for Andrew Miller back in 2016. Ramirez had been in the majors for bits of two seasons prior but 2016 was basically his first full season and his breakout year. Very comparable to Andujar.
I am curious what Yankees fans think it would take to get deGrom.
It’s already been reported that the mets want degrom back in return. I don’t see the mets helping the yankees win a ring anyway.
If it included Andujar and others, then that would be a more reasonable trade for the Yankees to consider because DeGrom addresses their greatest need (starting pitching), is an elite pitcher and has 2 additional years of control.. Different than trading your starting 3b to improve an already great bullpen.
Starts with Andujar and Sheffield adds in Frazier/Florial and probably another complementary piece to get the Mets to agree
The issue is that there are virtually no “top” players available. Just because Happ and Hamels are the best SP options available now doesn’t make them any better than mid to back end rotation guys.
I totally understand the Yankees reluctance to part with prime pieces to acquire overvalued players due to a slim market. Happ’s numbers aren’t all that much better than Jaime Garcia’s were last year and look what little the Yankees had to give away to acquire him.
Harvey is the sleeper. He’s currently pitching much better than either of those 2 and will probly cost less to get.
One thing the yanks have value they can move for top pitching. Do I dare say? Judge! I know he is right now face of the franchise but we would be able to get a #1sp possibly. Wouldn’t have to move fraIzer. We have Stanton in rf. Something for cash to think about. Would hate to do it but no one is taking Giancarlo
Lol. No chance
Judge for DeGrom. It’s trade that works for both teams
Works for both teams, except the Yankees.
How does that silly proposal work for the Yankees?
Yeah, trade Judge, are you high? Moron!
Geez!! Why the name calling? It’s a legit idea at least. We do have 2 rf’s thst are alike. Judge value much higher. Yanks go to other gms and just put him on the market. ALL teams will be calling!!!
How bout that? Moron? Are you high?
Deal from a strength. Yeah I hate to do it
But if it could bring you a #1 ace top 10 so. You do it!!
Yanks aren’t looking to trade either Judge or Stanton. Judge is an elite player, top 10. Even a top 5 pitcher has more inherit risk than a position player. DeGrom is an elite pitcher, no doubt. But I’ve never, ever seen a trade where a two year player on the historic level as Judge (most HRs as a rookie, quickest to 60 hrs) was moved in a deal for a top 5 pitcher. Would be interesting but not sure either team would do it. Mets might be better served getting a bundle of players and hoping for mlb players that could plug a few holes.
Cashman smart not giving up Andujar for overrated Brad Hand who I wouldn’t trust in big
game
It’s all about supply and demand. There are no top SPs available. Cashman missed the boat when he refused to “over pay” for G. Cole in the spring. In the spring there were no other bidders for JD so the BoSox got him for their price not Boras’s pie in the sky ask. You only have 40 spots. At some point in time Cashman will have to use those prospects or lose them.
Agree
One could certainly doubt if the Yanks made a mistake not getting Cole before the start of this season IF we were having this conversation back in March.. However, from what the reports were, the Pirates wanted Torres, Andujar and maybe more. In hindsight, I’m not mad they didn’t do that as both players have had great rookie years thus far and there’s reason to think there’ more they will approve on with time.
As for how the Yanks handle their prospects even the worst Yankee hater has to appreciate the fact they’ve flipped about 10-15 prospects to acquire their starting CF (Hicks), DH (Stanton), SS (Didi) and SP (Gray) and multiple bullpen guys. And still they’ve flourished by keeping their most sought after prospects (Judge, Severino, Sanchez, Torres and Andujar).
But the time is not now
Braves need to grab Britton and brach
You’d better off with Britton and Givens. And Givens has club control for 3 more years. One of the Braves top 100 pitchers (Gohara, Anderson etc) would get it done. That’s a win/win.
I highly doubtful Gohara gets it done. he only has 50 innings in the majors, but they have been 50 BAD innings
Gohara for Britton and Brach would be an easy yes for Baltimore.
Sure just give us ONE of the FIVE pitchers you have in the top 100. Braves should upgrade. Read up on the Braves Minor league logjam if you get the chance
Love how the Yankees think they can make trades without giving up their top prospects.
So true
At least they didn’t give up both Clint Frazier and Chance Adams for a 4th starter like Gerrit Cole.
Is this sarcasm?
It’s actually the direct quote from many a Yankees fan last winter. My restatement of this hot take that hasn’t aged very well would likely be considered sarcastic, yes.
I definitely hear you. Those guys have no future with the Yankees, but my god some of these fans treat them like saviors.
Oh yes I saw many Yankee fans saying the same thing about Cole!
Remember when you said that trading Andrew McCutchen made the Pirates better this year? That aged well LOL!
The Pirates are a .500 team this year. They finished under .500 the past two years.
So, yes, it has.
And the Pirates haven’t missed Cutch in even the slightest way.
You’re high if you think that is because of trading him and not despite trading him.
And you are huffing paint while drinking Windex if you think that’s true.
See below.
And that’s without even referencing the multiple articles that were written at the beginning of the year about how much better the clubhouse atmosphere and chemistry is this year than the past few because Cutch (and Cole) aren’t sulking in it.
Lol did you really just say Gerrit Cole and his 2.52 ERA wouldn’t have won the Pirates any games this year? I think that tells us all we need to know about you.
Just for fun, I looked them up…
Marte 122 OPS+
Polanco 122
Dickerson 120
Meadows 118
Cutch 109
Oh, and Crick has a 1.98 ERA with a 2.80 FIP pitching 36.1 innings with 37 Ks giving up only 1 HR and has now assumed the 8th inning role.
So, yeah…pretty easy call that the Cutch trade has made the Pirates better this year and for many years beyond.
Cutch at 1.0 WAR, Polanco at 0.6, Crick at 0.8.
Oh yeah, losing Cutch totally makes the Pirates better this year! Makes tons of sense just like everything else you say Josh LOL!
Losing cutch didn’t hurt the pirates at all. They’ve gotten plenty of production from their outfield. Your point about polanco is moot because he would’ve been starting had Cutch been on the team or not. Corey Dickerson was the guy who wouldn’t have been in town. I’d probably think twice if you wanna argue cutch has been better than him. You may not like this joshbell guy but you have no argument here.
I have all the argument here. Trading Cutch was strictly a rebuilding move. It makes them better for 2019 and beyond cuz Cutch would have been gone but they easily would have won more games in 2018 with Cutch on the team.
Cutch has been worse than Corey Dickerson. That is nothing but a fact.
And has posted more Major League WAR this year than everyone traded for him combined. That is also nothing but a fact.
Crick and mccutchen have the same BWAR and he’s a relief pitcher. You’re grasping for straws now. There’s no argument here. Dickerson has been worth over a win more and crick and mccutchen have essentially been a wash if you want to use WAR. If they gained a better player in the outfield and received a relief pitcher who has boosted their pen, how would they have been better off with mccutchen?
Define which WAR calculation you are using. WAR is not even universally agreed upon so your WAR numbers do not mean squat. Is that all go got? You just go by WAR. Haha. And you pick and choose which WAR source fits your purpose? Nice try
McCutchen is ahead in fWAR and that is after his slow start to the season. He’ll be ahead in both when all is said and done. If you honestly think that Kyle Crick will contribute more to a team than Andrew McCutchen on a one-year basis then you are a lost cause. The benefit to the Pirates from that trade was the added years of control and money saved. That’s it. If they planned on contending in 2018 they wouldn’t have done that.
You are the one grasping at straws considering they didn’t acquire Dickerson in the McCutchen trade. He was in a completely separate trade so it’s not one or the other. They could have had both, at least for 2018.
Try again mullethead.
Used fWAR, which you shouldn’t need in the first place to tell you McCutchen will contribute more on a one year basis than Kyle Crick.
@redrooster
Talk about having egg on your face – wow you look foolish.
Tip: Before popping off – try to know what you are talking about.
No. The Pirates do not miss McCuthen and his .260 average an 9 homers at all fool.
Boy when you talk out of your rear end you only “burn” yourself
Lol, egg on MY face? Look in a mirror buddy.
McCutchen would be one of the Pirates’ 3 best OF’s if he were still there. That much is true. It is also true that he is outproducing all the guys who were traded for him combined.
Do not post such nonsense again. You are truly embarrassing yourself right now.
Have a nice day.
This is a shady comment because the fact is, that was what the Yanks were OFFERING not what the Pirates were demanding. According to all reports, they wanted Torres, Sheffield and more. Sheff is now our top pitching prospect and Torres is having a breakout season.
Your narrative is completely false.
His narrative is not false. What the Yankees were offering IS THEIR OFFER.
My point was, he insinuated, that the Yankees didn’t get Cole because they didn’t want to give up either Frazier or Adams. That’s not true. That was what their offer was reported to be. Those two and a lower prospect. The reason they didn’t get Cole is because they wanted Torres to center that package around and at one point brought up Andujar and Sheff once it was clear Torres was off the table. My stance was, even tho Cole is having a great year, I’m happy they kept Torres and Andujar.
You do realize that you will never know who the Yankees are trading for because they don’t leak anything to the media.
Everyone does.
Oh wow the Yankees are so cool they do not leak … hilarious!
Again, trading for Hand never made sense for the Yankees considering they traded away Miller who is basically Brad Hand but better.
Yeah, trades from over two years ago would mean they don’t need to backfill today…SMH
Oh redrooster thanks again for playing. I enjoy the laughs your posts generate. Polish Hammer just HAMMERED you before I could. But I am still laughing.
Have to say the Yankees are doing the right thing along with my stros they have pitchers up and coming as well. Like the stros they are going to be contenders for a long time via the young age of key stars. No need to risk a costly move that may or may not get them over the hump. if one factors in the possible contending time frame for the Yankees if not this year maybe next or the years afterwards and cheap for now might add. If your the Indians or the red sox somewhat as they have young players but an aging SP staff (i.e. the sox) the need to win now maybe more urgent.
Astros trade for Verlander in 2017 (wins 1st WS) and Cole in 2018. NYY trades prospects for S. Gray in 2017 and refuses to trade prospects for Cole in 2018. I think Cashman is looking lost when it comes to maxing out his prospects when he has a chance to win the big prize.
Yep. Two big swings and misses. (Of course, no one knew Gray would bottom out.)
Name those big swings and misses.
Getting Gray, and not getting Cole.
So we’ll overlook the acquisitions of Hicks, Didi, Stanton, Robertson and Green and focus on the one he didn’t make?
You’re clueless.
Me? Why?
No that was definitely meant for jimi1950
I’m fine with them keeping florial sheffield and andujar. Florial is going to be a super star
So many prospects have had “going to be a superstar” said about them and fizzled out. Please if you are a Yankees fan don’t make such grandiose claims, cause it makes the rest of us look ridiculous.
Dude, he’s 2-3 years away and nobody is predicting super star status for him.
There are some prospects that you just know from the start they are potential stud/franchise players. Everyone else, doesnt matter how highly ranked orginizationally, you put them on the table for a if you can get a real All Star type player. Not Brad Hand, who is an All Star bc you need one from every team.
Closers, relievers, #3-5 starters I am not trading my top organizational pieces for. A #1-2, or an everyday position player that I have control of beyond 1 year, I’d make the trade.
The Phillies were smart not to give up too much for Machado, they can simply pay more than anyone else next year if that’s their guy. And they can hawk JP Crawford in a deal for pitching instead of holding onto him like Texas did with Profar who is average at best.
Two observations: the Yankees need to improve their starting pitching to be able to carry out a deep run in the postseason and to get quality you have to give quality. Multiple years of control can really influence the players traded on both sides.
There have been a number of trades for a quality MLB player in exchange for prospects that ultimately benefited the team receiving the prospects bc one or more turned out to be solid to exceptional players. For example, Carlos Carrasco, Michael Brantley, Cory Kluber. With prospects you hope your scouts have done their homework and your player development folks do their jobs. Plus cross your fingers (and sometimes toes).
I assumed the Dodgers were out on Britton when he wasn’t part of the Machado trade, but Zaidi contradicted that theory with a comment yesterday about the Orioles being unwilling to package them together in a single trade. So it seems the Dodgers had an interest in Britton going into their talks with Baltimore, and perhaps have one still. Zaidi also added the interesting comment that the Orioles are now very familiar with the Dodgers’ farm system, which suggests they are talking.
I would see it similarly. As a rental, Britton will not command the price of guys (Iglesias, Vazquez, Barclough) that are higher on the Dodgers’ list of targets.
Question is: will O’s take quantity (3 guys from second or third tier of prospects) over 1 higher ranked and closer to major league service sure thing? I suspect LAD prefer quantity as they still have legit prospects to in their 20-40 group.
Britton would be a great 8th inning guy for the Dodgers but it would be a somewhat complicated trade due to the fact that he would put LA over the luxury tax. They could send Forsythe to Baltimore in the deal to free up some $, or have them take on part of Britton’s remaining salary. Both of those scenarios would certainly require giving up a bigger package of prospects. But Britton’s potential value to the Dodgers bullpen is definitely worth the discussion. Might as well go all in after the gut punch we took in the WS last season. I was at Game 7 and I never want to feel that way again. Machado and Britton! Get it done Freidman!
I was also at Game 7, the first World Series game of my life. We all had great expectations, right? But it became easily the worst day I have ever spent in a ballpark. The crushing disappointment of last season is why I hope the Dodgers either commit to making this team postseason ready now, or let it roll to next year when they can go after some of the big ticket items. No more half measures. No more washouts.
Couldn’t agree more! The farm system still has a lot of quality prospects and for the most part the Dodgers have a really young core of players. I’m not saying gut the farm for a guy like Britton or another quality reliever, but after acquiring Machado, what’s the point if our front office isn’t willing to add another difference maker to the bullpen and go all in?
Maybe there is one or two guys on the current roster or coming off the DL that can be the difference, but it sure would be nice to add a proven back-end/setup guy. Nothing is a guarantee but certain pitchers simply have what it takes when the pressure is at its highest. We’ll see what happens
Don’t see why anyone is expecting more for him then the Mets just got for familia. Familia doesn’t come with as many injury concerns and both are rentals…
due to the low familia return for the mets– the phils can get britton for neris and drew anderson.