With it becoming increasingly apparent that the Giants won’t be mounting a late run at the postseason, the team’s top organizational figures have spent some time giving their impressions of the current season and the future outlook. CEO Larry Baer chatted with Tim Kawakami of The Athletic (audio/subscription link), while president of baseball operations Brian Sabean spoke with John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle.
Both men made clear that they don’t see the ballclub as being in the midst of a massive transition. “I don’t characterize it as a rebuild,” said Baer. Sabean, the club’s top baseball decisionmaker, said much the same: “We’re used to winning. We don’t feel we’re in a position, as a result of that, to have, quote, a complete face-lift.”
At the same time, there was certainly an acknowledgement that change will be needed. Sabean noted that the front office will “have to probably be ready to make some tough decisions.” And Baer acknowledged that, in applying what he described as Sabean’s “win and develop” approach to staying competitive while building for the future, it may be necessary to “”lean more toward the development” side of the fence.
If there’s a clear plan, it’s not clear from these interviews just what it is and how it’ll be implemented. When asked whether he expects to acquire a big-money player — which Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle argued today could be pursued even if the club otherwise doesn’t really expect to contend — Baer said it’s just too soon to know. His top baseball ops mean, though, said the club “still want[s] to put the most productive product on the field that we can,” which seems to keep the door open.
Certainly, it’s tough to see how the Giants would manage to embark upon anything like a true rebuilding effort with so many hard-to-move obligations on the books. That wasn’t necessarily the case last winter, when several veterans on long-term deals held greater trade value than they do now.
While the decision to push for a return to contention in 2018 hasn’t resulted in a postseason trajectory, that doesn’t mean the organization regrets it. Sabean says there was value in having “distanced ourselves from how last year went.” Both men suggested that the organization is pleased with having unearthed some young talent, too.
Of course, expectations were that this roster would struggle to keep pace in the division, just as has occurred. Some might have been higher on the Giants heading into 2018 had the team landed Giancarlo Stanton. In Baer’s estimation, the organization failed to convince the slugger to waive his no-trade protection to come to San Francisco mostly because Stanton was already frustrated with “the process” the Marlins undertook to try to deal him. Anyway, Baer says, the near-term payroll space that would have been locked up by Stanton was “re-expressed” in veterans Andrew McCutchen, Evan Longoria, and Tony Watson — a fact that actually left the club “very content” this spring, Baer says.
Longoria’s contract now looks to be another underperforming asset, further clogging the future balance sheets after the club so diligently stayed below the luxury tax line this year. But those are the risks it takes to acquire or keep established veterans. And the Giants obviously believe in their approach, having seen it result in three recent World Series titles.
It seems that, most broadly, the organization will back off the throttle in some respects — McCutchen could certainly be traded in the coming days, for example — but will otherwise push forward with its tried and true methods of roster building. Certainly, there’s every indication that Sabean and skipper Bruce Bochy will remain in their posts, with Baer telling Kawakami that the pair has an unmatched pedigree and expressing confidence in them with one more season left on their most recent extensions.
baseball1600
literally all the FO is trying to do is sell tickets. There is no long term plan in place. It’s just trying that contend year after year, and if this mentality continues we could become the next Mariners.
Sadler
I agree their plan is to sell as many tickets as possible, but it’s hard to blame them when 35-40k still go every night.
Rattos8chins
35-40k is the number of tickets sold for the game, not the actual attendance. Have you been to a weekday game? The attendance is about 1/2 of what you say. They’re becoming like Oakland when it comes to people attending the games.
jminn
Why would anyone want to waste their time at a SFG game?
bush1
Right, if I was a true Giant fan I’d be furious with that mentality. Smart fans want the organization overhauled and built right from the bottom up.
cysoxsale
yeah. right. uhhh no. Ask Pittsburgh if it’s been worth it. Ask KC if it’s been worth it. Its NOT. SPEND THE MONEY. ITS THE WAY TO WIN
bigkempin
KC won a World Series with a low payroll. I’d say that KC fans would say that it was worth it.
AlvaroEspinoza 2
Look across the bay to Oakland. They have built some great teams without spending and with a smaller fan base.
justin-turner overdrive
The Yankees, MLB’s winningest team, has exactly 1 title to show for their last 18 years of hyperspending on every FA. Spending. Money. Does. Not. Work.
Spending money for decline seasons is the dumbest move in the book. You are extremely wrong.
hansel2525
And haven’t won a thing. Nothing.
justin-turner overdrive
They have won more games this year than the Giants. Stop living 5 years ago and live in 2018.
5TUNT1N
I find it odd u chose 5 years ago, that being 2013 also a very unsuccessful year for the giants! 10,12,14 are the years I would have expected.
cysoxsale
big deal. so they won one. they ducked for years before and for years after. HARD PASS
wiggysf
I consider myself a true Giants fan, and I don’t necessarily think it’s time to rebuild. $40MM is coming off the books, and now that they don’t have to worry about the CBT for the next year, the Giants have about $50-60 million dollars to spend just in this year. That’s nothing to sneeze at.
Not saying that Sabean and Evans will use the money wisely. And Bochy does need to be replaced by bam bam as fast as possible.
arc89
Problem is you are not talking a complete rebuild. They have enough tradeable chips to have a 2 year rebuild not a 5 year rebuild. If you think Harper or Machado will solve the giants problem think again. They have to many holes that need filling. The team lacks power and need 3 power hitters not 1. They lack a bullpen they have only 3 real relief pitchers. They lack a couple starters because Crueto and Shark are both hurt. If they had any bit of a chance at competing this year was it. NL west is a weak division with a bunch of average teams. You can see other teams in the division will only get better next year. Waiting another year to see what you have will only make the Giants bad for more years. Giants need to stop over pay on old players. back loading contracts is hurting the team.
cxcx
“The team lacks power and need 3 power hitters not 1.”
This is the dumbest comment I have seen on here in a while.
2014 Giants: zero 25-hr-hitters, two 20-hr-hitters
2012 Giants: zero 25-hr-hitters, one 20-hr-hitter
2010 Giants: one 25-hr-hitter, plus one 20-hr-hitter
Yup they are gonna be screwed unless hey maybe they can find Chris Carter somewhere…
getright11
Who wants your pieces that havent worked out? Nobody. You dont have a two year rebuild on your hands
arc89
SMH Right now the Giants have 0 players to hit even 20 home runs right now. Giant fans think Spend $35 million next year on Harper and he will make them a playoff team. No he will not. So you proved NOTHING because not even 1 player on that team equal any of those years.. Enjoy all your low scoring loses.
Codeeg
I never understand why people thing just because the team is spending xdollars one year there is a need to get the payroll to where it was. Yes $40 is coming off the books but there is also arb players and contract players getting raises. In addition to that the so called talent available is either premium (Harper,Machado, Donaldson) or the type of players in the lower tiers which created a market flux this offseason.
woodstock005
Giants whole team is a mess
Too many holes
But that fit Bruce style
Closure by committee
Outfielders by committee
The best outfielders were
Barry bond Reggie sander and forgot the third outfielder
mkeving
Dude they’ve won 3 World Series in the past 10 years. I think their fan base is going to be ok.
nobodyknows
this guy. most eloquently stated my friend. hard to watch honestly.
Wonka
Another year of “this is not a rebuild”. Just keep adding aging players in an attempt to put up a subpar season. Titles mean nothing if your blind to the future & live in the past.
xabial
They have more championships this decade than any other franchise. They have the right to “buy” or “sell” at their own discretion.
xabial
earned the right*
xabial
Feel like people are overly-critical of them. respect them making (or trying to make) blockbusters, trying to go for it, and I’m biased cuz MadBum’s 1 if few pitchers worth giving up the farm. Sometimes it’s just not your year, but not for a lack of effort. Also, just announced Posey is getting season-ending hip surgery. That type of year.
its_happening
Agreed. They needed arms and bats to surround Posey, Crawford, Bumgarner etc…Teams thinking they can continue winning do what they need to do to win. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. Imagine what the fanbase would have said had SF not spent to extend the dynasty.
Cam
They get their dues for Championships won. There’s plenty of respect there.
But those Championships do nothing for winning them today and tomorrow. They’re a below par Team with a bloated payroll and a bad farm – 3 rings in the past doesn’t fix it.
If you need an example of why banking on past performance doesn’t help today, just look at Cutch and Longo.
njbirdsfan
We’re all very aware of their fluky small sample Olympics titles. What are they going to do when their horse Bumgarner breaks down, since that and a bunch of 4A lottery tickets are their entire roster?
justin-turner overdrive
No they don’t, that’s total BS. They haven’t won in 5 years. Their farm is a disaster. Posey and Longo are washed up. They need to tear it all down and be bad for a couple years then be good organically, like the A’s are doing.
Kenleyfornia74
Re assessing the Stanton money towards Longoria is not a good thing… Taking on most of Longos contract for the next 4 years was the final blow to this team. Espically while trading a guy 9 years younger for him who can give similar production
Gobbysteiner
Arroyo is hitting 227 in the minors this year. Js. Yeah longo is bad but arroyo is terrible.
wholenewworld
True, but, ironically a year earlier the Giants traded our OTHER 3rd Baseman, Matt Duffy, to the Rays.
Duffy was expendable because Arroyo was the supposed to be 3rd Baseman of the future. For, like a year.
Duffy currently has a 1.8 WAR to Longoria’s 0.6.
Duffy (along with $6-million dollar international bonus super prospect Lucius Fox) was traded for Matt Moore. Matt Moore subsequently cratered, was given away this off-season to the Rangers where he sports a 7.01 ERA.
The Giants really didn’t like Duffy back in 2015, because rather than start him at 3rd, they traded for Casey McGehee (Giving up Luis Castillo, who looks to be developing into a back-of-the-rotation starter now for the Reds.) The Giants paid McGehee $5 million dollars to hit .213 for 1/3 of the season before cutting him. And then awarding the job to Duffy, who was working for $509,000 and was a 3.7 WAR player that year.
So the Giants gave up Matt Duffy, Christian Arroyo, Lucius Fox, and Luis Castillo for:
1. The right to pay Casey McGehee $5 million to be terrible
2. A year + of really bad Matt Moore pitching
3. The right to pay a fading Evan Longoria $70 million over 5 years
So the brain trust is saying the Giants just need a little tinkering, huh?
Cashford64
I don’t blame them for the Duffy trade, the Giants needed a starting pitcher for their playoff push in 2016. Matt Moore performed decently down the stretch and actually had an outstanding start against the Cubs in the Division Series. I don’t think anyone could have predicted such a tremendous collapse in 2017.
Never understood the Longoria trade, though. If it was just a year left like McCutchen’s contract, then maybe. Oh well.
kaskro
Wow those are some crazy stats Whole New World. I remember the giants making all these moves but didn’t remember who they gave up.
bush1
Yeah that Longo deal was an idiotic trade for sure. Why not just sign a much more productive Moustakas at a cheaper rate?
atuck_sfg
Didn’t want to lose a draft pick because Moustakas was offered a Qualifying Offer from KC.
geg42
Moose would also have to want to sign with SF. It doesn’t make much sense for a power hitter to sign a pillow contract to play in a pitcher’s Park.
some251guy
This sounds exactly like what the braves brass was saying after the 2013 season. Not looking for a complete rebuild but focusing on development. Braves brass eventually realized you won’t get anywhere halfway committing to a rebuild. You’ll just be stuck on the border of competitive enough to win 80 games but not enough to compete in October. I smell a full rebuild coming in San Fran if they want it or not
ffjsisk
Except the Giants spend twice as much as the Braves.
some251guy
I think the angels have proven that you can’t buy a winning ball club
some251guy
Giants to..obviously
Gobbysteiner
For the love of god, rebuild.
bush1
The Giants front office were the only people on the face of the Earth that thought that roster full of old dudes, and terrible candidates contracts had a chance to win last offseason. Now they just prolonged the inevitable rebuild that’s been necessary for a couple years. Idiots..
Gobbysteiner
Those idiots won 3 chips. But I do agree with you a rebuild should’ve been done
Phattey
Lmao we’re used to winning so even tho our team is trash we don’t think we need to rebuild because well we’re used to winning
usafcop
Funny….I said a couple years ago that they should tear it down….Posey should have been traded and Crawford but nobody listened….lol
Cashford64
Such short memories people seem to have. The Giants have been operating this way fpr a long time now, and it has gotten them 3 Worls Series titles this decade. After narrowly missing the playoffs in 2004, they had losing records for 4 years, during which time they continued signing veterans while using their 1st round draft picks to sign Lincecum, Posey, and Bumgarner ’06-’08. By 2010, they were champs.
It took Houston 9 consecutive years of missing the playoffs before they built a contender. Kansas City had been nad since the ’80s until finally built theirs. It San Francisco far less time than that doing it their own way, so what exactly is the benefit of a total rebuild?
BBBD
Thank you!!! People want to follow this fad of completely tearing it down and full rebuilds… first of all people have to want to give you their best prospects to even begin a rebuild (which now more than ever teams hold their top prospects like they found gold or struck oil).
Secondly, why does no one realize that only 1 team wins the title each year, and only 10 teams make the postseason (8 really).
The Giants have had less “loosing” seasons since this decade than most, why do fans jump of the bandwagon at the teams striving to stay competitive? Even now and throughout this whole season we as fans have been able to feel like they could win every game and could be 1 win streak from being in contention for the division, isn’t that what fans should really want each season?
justin-turner overdrive
You missed the point entirely.
“It took Houston 9 consecutive years of missing the playoffs before they built a contender.”
For the first 6 of those 9 years Houston started out by saying and doing the exact same things the Giants are now. They kept trying and failing. They then went total rebuild and tank mode to get high 1st rd picks and were good again within 3-4 years.
You are saying literally “The Giants should be like the 2006-2010 Astros” – lol no. You rebuild. You don’t halfa$s it.
Cashford64
No, I’m saying the 2019 Gians should be like the 2007 Giants. They already got the #2 overall pick this year, they should get another high pick next year. As long as they pick the right players, it will work out. Their 2006-2008 picks were instrumental in getting them to 3 WS titles. You must have forgotten that those young guys were surrounded by a bunch of “washed up” veterans in 2010, like Aubrey Huff, Pat Burrell, Edgar Renteria, Freddy Sanchez, Juan Uribe, etc.
arc89
Right now they wouldn’t even get a top 10 pick for next year. That is the point stay mediocre and spin wheels. Rebuild and build a strong farm team.
Cashford64
Meanwhile, Dereck Rodriguez is a ROY candidate and was picked in the 6th Round. Pick the right players and develop them. That’s it.
The Giants are never going to tank enough to finish last place for several years like those other teams are willing to do. The Yankees and Dodgers have strangely never had to do that either to stay successful.
Kenleyfornia74
Because the Dodgers have hit on draft picks. Giants took Phil Bickford 2 picks before Buehler. Giants passed on Bellinger 3 times. Friedman came in ans changed the dynamic of the whole team by getting rid of Kemp Dee and Hanley Ramirez to get better. The Giants have not been willing to do that. The Yankees made some amazing selling moves at the 2016 deadline. Giants have not sold anyone but Eduardo Nunez which actually was a great return for them but they refuse to sell anyone else
arc89
Giants didn’t draft Rodriguez. He was drafted as a position player not as a pitcher. They didn’t develop him. He was signed as a 6 year minor FA.
Adolpho67
Dereck Rodriguez wasn’t even drafted by the Giants. They have had a very poor draft record actually, which is why their system annually ranks in the bottom half of all Mlb.
Rodriguez was a minor league FA who the Giants took a flyer on and got lucky.
justin-turner overdrive
The Yankees and Dodgers have 1 title between them over a combined 36 seasons since 2001. You are moving the goalposts here, we are arguing for a complete rebuild to avoid the 86 win postseason-missing team, not “success” – which funny enough isn’t good enough for Billy Beane that he has 9 postseasons since 2000 but no chip so his “success” in how you explain it, doesn’t work for those who love to bring that up about him -so what is it? Stay on course.
Cashford64
1) I never said the Giants drafted Rodriguez. My point was it doesn’t really matter whether you get a #10 pick or a #29 pick if you don’t pick the right players. Im saying the Giants need to draft well and develop their players better and they’ll be fine. Tanking is not necessary to build a winning franchise.
2) You shouldn’t just look at championsips to determine success. Fans want to see their team be competetive, but nobody expects to win the WS every year. Yeah, Houston rebuilt their team and won, but how many teams have been rebuilding forever and still have nothing to show for it? Seattle, San Diego, Pittsburgh, etc.
marijuasher
Welp…. You guys made it through most of August this year. Mazel mazel!
Gwynning's Anal Lover
Yesterday I was taking a look at their minor league system. There were only 2 players (not including pitching) that I would consider prospects. The rest seemed like a barron wasteland. They invested in players that are aging and can’t bring much in return. What do you do at this point? It’s a complete overhaul from the major league roster on down. They may want to do a three year rebuild getting fringe players at low cost in the off season and when the trade deadline occurs, trade them for prospects (like the Pirates did a few years back). Rebuild from within.
Caladan607
Granted, the FO relies too heavily on bargain bin vets and Bochy favors th0se vets over youth, And I might grouse at the FO’s thinking and Bochy’s choices now & then (ok, a lot), but you cannot argue with a strategy that won 3 WS. How many teams have done that in the past 50 years? Not many.
They will put together another winner and it will not take 9 years to do it. At least they are not taking the advice of armchair “experts” who want them to be like the Dudgers trying to buy a championship. How has that been going for the past 30 years? That 1988 trophy is old history. I would rather stick with Sabean’s methods rather than throw money around for 30 years or take 9 long years “rebuilding” to win one championship (so far with more possible).
The Giants will be back in contention as long as the owners do not panic and dump the brains that have won 3 WS trophys to date.
walls17
Seems like everyone but the giants front office knew that the Longoria trade was a disaster waiting to happen. Granted, I didn’t think he was gonna turn this bad so soon
justin-turner overdrive
Its 2018 and we still have to hear really stupid FO’s say really stupid things like “I don’t characterize it as a rebuild,” – when everyone with half a brain knows tearing it alldown and totally rebuilding works best.
The Giants in particular, are infuriatingly stupid in regards to the idea that putting a mediocre team that might go .500 on the field is best because they still draw crowds, but the main reason they draw crowds is because their stadium is right smack dab in the middle of a massive tourist hub, ensuring plenty of casual attendees no matter how bad or good they are.
fourth_dimension
Cardinals fan of 40 years here. I have the utmost respect for the Giants and their organization. I think there is a balance between seeing the past championships, current and constant winning expectations, and continuing to build for the future. When I think of the NL, it is Cardinals. Dodgers, and Giants. I do not include the Cubs in that because they have been recent. The three mentioned have long history of winning and expectations year in and year out.
Anyhow, i think they Giants can be creative here by doing a couple of things that fans may not like, but it would be the way to backfill that depleted farm system and/or allow the big club to get immediate youth on the team that is already ML ready and playing or near ready.
I think they should trade Bumgarner. Even with only year left on the deal, he is the biggest asset. He can certainly bring back at least two very good pitching prospects or one already ML capable and two additional. I also think the Giants need young catcher who is ML ready. Posey`s recovery is gong to take a long time and he may never be the same there. The Bumgarner could be for a catcher.
Panik has value will be 28 next and still two years of control and should be traded as well to backfill the farm with Middle IFers. Maybe one of those guys is a 2B who is ML ready.
I don`t think Longoria is going anywhere (can`t get rid of that). Most likely stuck with Belt and Crawford too for three more years. Those three contracts need to be able to produce at least steady enough to keep things moving till some of the youth in the minors can grow. I understand the farm as a whole is thin with quality, but it still has to be given time.
If you can find a suitor for any of these contracts to salary swap, do it for SP. That is the other area where you will guys are going to be hurting for a while now.
Lots of holes in spots there. LF and RF also need to be addressed. Maybe Chris Shaw is ready and will be on a corner spot. The options are thin in the minors.
Bottom line if you look at the Cardinals model, they have continually backfilled the minors when making a deal. Look at the Tommy Pham deal, the Piscotty deal. the Grichuk deal ….those examples.
SF can get there…..they are just going to have to be very very creative considering how much thinner their ML assets are along with a thin farm depleted for past years movement.
sidewinder11
They have Bart as a catcher of the future behind Posey.
fourth_dimension
Bart is in Short A ball right now. He will not be ready till at least 2021.at the earliest. Catcher development is about as long as pitcher development.
gilgunderson
You may recall Buster Posey got through the minors in about 2 years. No guarantee Bart does the same, but he’s off to a great start.
fourth_dimension
For sure. Not discounting Bart at all.. In theory you could be right being that he played college baseball that should have been the equivalent or rookie and A ball at least. I was just going by the scouting and prospects reports showing 2021.
I honestly don`t think Posey will be the same after these surgeries. I think he will continue to break down.
Solaris601
I don’t think at this point that Joe Panik has blossomed the way anyone expected. Giants definitely need to move on from him, and that starts with an organizational vow not to extend him. Belt and Crawford each had one decent hot streak in them this year, and that’s a problem. Always steady in the field, but their lineup spots are arguably stagnant for the remainder of their contracts. And SF goes into yet another offseason needing at least 1 (realistically 2) starting OFs.
thelyonhearted
Insanity is doing the same strategy over and over and expecting different results. Let go of the past and make this team better. Keep some core players and rebuild as around them. Yes it’ll be hard, but making “some tough decisions” is what you morons are paid to do. But hey, you can start with an easy one and dump the dead weight that is Bobby Evans.
justin-turner overdrive
No, you don’t keep any core players when you rebuild, you scorch the earth and start over. This is how the Astros got good and how the White Sox are going to be really good in the next year or two as well. Phillies also are doing a great job at rebuilding.
Solaris601
The entire front office needs to go into rehab to overcome their addiction to large commitments for declining years before rebuilding is even a possibility. In my opinion we’ll see how deep that addiction goes this winter, and if SF even makes an offer to McCutchen, it’s worse than most of us thought.
arc89
Half of the giant fans are smart and know the time has come to do a rebuild. The other half thinks that Harper will sign with them and lead them to a world series. Giants management doesn’t want to rebuild and lose their money fan base so they pretend the team is 1 player away. Bay area media doesn’t criticize the giants for anything. They rather talk about the giants instead of a exciting A’s team.
justin-turner overdrive
The two most clueless front offices who won titles are SF and KC. Sabean and Moore are unbelievably stupid at GMing but fell into dumb luck (Posey falling from #1 to #5 in the draft on draft day and KC winning a title with a pathetic starting rotation). We are now seeing them at their normal, stupid selves and have to sit through them not making adjustments to an ever-changing game. I don’t respect either GM, but I respect the players who did the work. There’s plenty of Giants and Royals fans who know this too.
arc89
I think they are living off their 3 world series. Their fans should be more than happy about doing what not many other teams could do. There is the 5 year window that a good team goes through and they did even better than that but at some time it comes to a end and rebuild. Part of the problem is the bay area media does not criticize their poor judgement. For the last month all the talk was about them getting on 1 hot streak to win the division. They criticize the A’s for moves but not the giants. Bay area always been a band wagon area maybe the giant front office knows a rebuild an they must rebuild the fan base too.
justin-turner overdrive
Exactly, its infuriating being an A’s fan watching the Bay Area media constantly fawn over the Giants when they’re bad and criticize the A’s even when they are good.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
“If” they’re thinking about moving Tony Watson’s small contract, maybe they should consider sending him to Minnesota for OF Jake Cave.
sidewinder11
I don’t see any reason for either team to make that deal
Rich Hill’s Elbow
If things go to plan in MN, there’ll be no room for Cave with Buck, Rosario, Kepler, Kirilloff, and Wade around.
sportsguy1
Trade Bobby Evans for some scrub minor league baseballs.
Crankyolddude
It drives me nuts when the Giants say that they don’t need to rebuild, since it ignores the fact that they spent four seasons in the last decade doing the same thing while they finished in last every year immediately following the post Bonds era. The powers that be for the Giants need to start facing reality this off season, and accept that they have an aging core, a lousy farm system, and very little financial flexibility going forward. They already screwed up by not trading Bumgarner at the trade deadline when his value was at its highest, and they will likely do the same thing in the off season while making a futile attempt to sign Bryce Harper. When that fails, they will sign a few other mediocre vets to fill the numerous holes in their lineup, and the results will predictably end in another under .500 finish where they barely manage to hold off the Padres for last place. Then they will predictably do the exact same thing again in the next off season, and the pattern will keep repeating itself until sometime in the early 2020’s when they realize that the plan isn’t working and then do what they should have done all along and start the rebuild. So in other words, instead of sucking for a few years before emerging with the next young core, they will drag this out for several in the vain hope that they might get lucky one last time during this era.. 2025 can’t come soon enough…
Adolpho67
Giants need to rebuild for sure and if done correctly, things could turn quickly. I know Giant fans don’t want to be looking at Cubs as an example, but their rebuild only took 2.5 years.
The Cubs also started with much less on the roster and in the minors than what SF has now.
Most importantly, you don’t want to be in the middle these days. You either go all in to win or you bottom out. Giants are much closer to the bottom right now, so that’s the smart way to go.
The problem is they have to move guys like Madbum, Belt, Crawford, etc. to get started. And that task is where Sabean & Co. get cold feet. You can’t fall in love with your players if you want to really turn the corner.
Most likely, the Giants will be second-division teams for the rest of those player careers. Trading Posey, Crawford, Belt, and Madbum would cause ticket sales to plummet, so it ain’t happening Giant fans!
Adolpho67
This is also the reason that prime FA’s decline to go to SF. They see an old-school approach by the front office and prefer a more forward-thinking organization.
ajetergiftbasket
The Giants remind me of the Yankees post 2009 up until a few years ago: not so great farm system, aging and expensive stars and not committing to doing a rebuild for fear of not being competitive because of the fans.
Cashman did a crazy good job of reloading the farm system in the last couple years because he knew it wasn’t sustainable. The Giants, wanting to keep that winning going, haven’t done a good job with the farm.
They aren’t going to seriously compete next season either so now is the time to just do the rebuild and work toward the future.
qturner
Duffy hitting .294 with 4 HRS and 33 RBIs for a team with a record of 68-61. Had to laugh. Good luck Matty. Good luck SF.
RedRooster
Their plan is to live off past glory until like 2040
Jeffbroker
Bring in the fences, become a little more of a hitters park and you’ll see guys like Harper wanting to play here. It’s an 81 game advantage and frankly when the put in triples alley I don’t think they did it to make the games harder for us. More runs scorched which we need and everyone’s happy but the pitchers. Too bad, we have a crew of good arms.