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Latest On Manny Machado & Bryce Harper

By Jeff Todd | November 21, 2018 at 8:20am CDT

As Tyler Kepner of the New York Times writes, in a general encapsulation of the state of play in the current free agent market, there’s still not much clarity regarding superstars Manny Machado and Bryce Harper. Perhaps, as Kepner suggests, with the two belles of the ball still waiting to find a dance partner, the rest of the participants are still milling about, afraid to commit.

Of course, the market is also operating in the shadow of last winter’s dud of a dance, so the factors influencing the secondary tiers of free agency could reflect broader changes mostly unrelated to Machado and Harper. Whether the matchmaking process will be as slow as it was last year remains to be seen; the more interesting question, though, is simply whether there’ll be more money out there for the good-but-not-great players available. As for Machado and Harper, there’s every reason to believe they’ll be paid handsomely.

It’s interesting, though perhaps not surprising, that the conversation thus far has mostly focused on Harper. As Kepner notes, Harper’s gunslinging agent Scott Boras is selling Harper to suitors as an “iconic” and uniquely marketable player. The ever-visible Boras is, of course, also making that same pitch in very public fashion to and through the media. Machado’s agent, Dan Lozano, has negotiated some monster deals of his own, so he’s no amateur. Clearly, though, he is not pursuing the sort of media strategy that Boras is.

The differences in the agents’ approaches are perhaps in some part reflections of genuine personality differences in their respective clients. While he hardly carries any kind of reputation for off-field antics, Harper seems to be enjoying his time in the spotlight, playfully dropping hints on social media and an assuredly unscripted TMZ spot. (Did you know: Harper’s dog is still named Wrigley and he quite likes deep dish!)

Machado, meanwhile, has been more or less off the radar entirely — leaving many to hem and haw over the generally distasteful impression he left during the World Series. In an interview published this morning by MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand, Machado has perhaps launched his effort at shifting the narrative somewhat. The 26-year-old casts himself as a humble, hard-working player who shows up every day and cares about winning — which, generally, was his reputation both in and out of baseball circles prior to the recent shift.

Of course, the change in public perception — one that was likely not fully embraced by those that have known him in person for years — was a self-inflicted wound caused by Machado’s cringeworthy comments on hustling as well as some highly questionable on-field actions. Machado says he accepts the blame for how his words came across, but explains: “I was trying to talk about how I’m not the guy who is eye wash. There’s a difference between fake hustle for show and being someone who tries hard to win. I’ve always been the guy who does whatever he can to win for his team.”

Machado unsurprisingly declines to divulge any details about his thinking on an ultimate destination. Generally, he suggests to Feinsand that he’s open to any and all suitors. And he says he won’t do anything to make the process a more-publicized one than it already promises to be. “When the time comes,” Machado says, “there will probably be a few of the teams that I will sit down with in person, but it’s not something I plan on being very public about.” There’s plenty more to digest from his chat with Feinsand, which is a must-read piece, though Machado surely will still have plenty to answer to when he sits down with team owners who are considering committing hundreds of millions of dollars to employ him.

Generally, the final dollar tallies these two excellent young players will command will be the result of an auction process, the course of which will be determined by the quantity and intensity of team owners waving bidding paddles from the gallery. We don’t yet have a firm sense of the field of Machado bidders, but the rough contours of Harper’s market are beginning to emerge. Notably, it seems he may have two more interesting potential suitors.

It won’t surprise anyone to hear the Cardinals and Braves mentioned as possibilities, as they’ve both long been discussed as teams to keep an eye on. But it’s still notable to see some increasing evidence of real involvement. The owner of the St. Louis franchise, Bill DeWitt III, tells Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (Twitter link) that a move for a top-tier free agent is on the table — though he doesn’t necessarily do so in terms that suggest it’s the likeliest outcome. “We could do it, sure,” says DeWitt. “It’s about (considering) putting all our eggs in one basket. We have the payroll room.” 

As for the Atlanta organization, which is owned by a corporate entity (Liberty Media) that is theoretically less likely to be swayed by emotion, it remains a bit difficult to gauge the true level of interest. But David O’Brien of The Athletic tweets that he’s getting signs the Braves will be “players in the Bryce Harper sweepstakes.” Whether or not the club will turn into a front-runner, let alone land Harper, is obviously still unclear. But it seems fair to presume that the involvement of multiple, serious suitors increases the likelihood that Boras (or, for Machado, Lozano) will be able to convince one team to enter a new contract stratosphere of the kind MLBTR predicted in its ranking of the top fifty free agents.

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  1. c1234

    6 years ago

    Can Machado and Harper just sign somewhere already? Or do we really have to wait until late December of January?

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    • Kayrall

      6 years ago

      People like you make free agency a buzzkill.

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      • c1234

        6 years ago

        How? They are the ones making the offseason a buzzkill

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        • Adam6710

          6 years ago

          How? This is what makes the offseason tense and exciting. It would be a REALLY boring offseason if rosters were set by November 30th.

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        • billysbballz

          6 years ago

          Off season doesn’t really get hit until December! Chillaxxxxxxx bro.

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        • xabial

          6 years ago

          Hey c1234, Let me show you the future:

          Jon Morosi
          “Yankees have had internal discussions this offseason about possibility of signing Bryce Harper to play first base, but one source described that scenario as “unrealistic” — at least, for now.” mobile.twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/10648641144707…?

          ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-746103401199162954.ampproject.net%2F1811202351440%2Fframe.html

          cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-rumors-bryce-harper-at-…

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        • antibelt

          6 years ago

          Xabial, I thought you wait until something occurs before taking credit for it? As for c1234, a 300 million dollar investment for any company should never be rushed.

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        • ac106

          6 years ago

          you must be the type that loves 4+ hour extra inning games in April.

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        • tv 2

          6 years ago

          so it’s a exciting to ignore a thousand other players and only focus on 2? no. it’s boring as crap to see the same story every day

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        • 3rdStrikeLooking

          6 years ago

          Then dont read. And even better, dont comment.

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        • coronajoe

          6 years ago

          Totally agree! Good post

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        • coronajoe

          6 years ago

          Totally agree. The hot stove season is thought provoking and dream filled. Great time of year especially when NY has only one great team!

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        • MetsYankeesRedSox

          6 years ago

          Great teams win it all!

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        • imgman09

          6 years ago

          Yes,haha I hope they sign last dropping the price down significantly!

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        • manos

          6 years ago

          So you find that waiting months with no progress towards a deal of any kind to be exciting? My god I’d hate to see what a boring day is for you.

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      • jakec77

        6 years ago

        I assume what he is referring to is that as long as these two are lingering, a lot of other players are going to go unsigned and a lot of trades will be held up, waiting to see how these dominos fall.

        It will be a very valid complaint in January, and even to some degree a month ago. The day before Thanksgiving is a little early.

        I’m wondering if this is the same guy who is hounding me in my fantasy league as to why I haven’t given him a counter offer.

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        • Melchez

          6 years ago

          This happens every year. The top free agents slow down everything and the top free agents wait for the best offer. If the Yankees sign Harper, then they’ll trade either Stanton or judge… no sense in trading them first. Then Harper can raise his price because he’s needed more.

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        • haringbone

          6 years ago

          Wait. Yankees are going to sign Harper, then Harper can raise his price because he’s needed more????

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        • southbeachbully

          6 years ago

          Why in the world would the Yanks trade either Stanton or Judge, especially Judge who makes next to nothing.

          Also, and I really would like a thoughtful response because I don’t understand. Why are people limiting the potential position for Harper to play to RF, CF (yikes) or 1B? Why would he NOT be able to play an adequate LF? Among all of their needs, a lefty hitter and a LF are high among them. Shouldn’t Harper be capable of playing LF since it’s the least athletic position of the 3 OF positions. Did he declare he would never play LF again? Aren’t most LF leftie hitters who throw right?

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        • JKB 2

          6 years ago

          @Melchez

          What? So the Yankees sign Harper to a contract as in done deal. Then they trade Stanton and Harper gets to “raise his price”? If he signed a deal how could that happen?

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        • JKB 2

          6 years ago

          Thank you Southbeachbully. Yes. Harper to me is a left fielder.

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      • Charles Schwab

        6 years ago

        The correct term is human paraquat I do believe

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    • jboll74

      6 years ago

      They will be signed by Winter Meetings or before. If not those teams interested will just go after other players and Harper and Machado’s options trim to fewer

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    • Braveslifer

      6 years ago

      January will be when they both sign, and probably within days of one another. Pitchers/catchers will report mid-February so business like this will be wrapping up by mid-to-late January.

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      • NotaGM

        6 years ago

        I agree….plus these 2 will controll the market for others so expect slow until then.

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      • koz16

        6 years ago

        Machado will wait it out until after Harper signs so he can satisfy his ego with a bigger contract.

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    • Cashford64

      6 years ago

      Just got off the phone with Bryce. He says he’s very sorry about ruining your November. He’s going to try and get a deal done today, just for you.

      Manny, however, hasn’t returned my calls. Very sorry.

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      • coronajoe

        6 years ago

        Funny .

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        • coronajoe

          6 years ago

          And if he calls ME… I’ll refer him to YOU

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      • gotothevideotape

        6 years ago

        Hey Cash,
        Manny is still running to first base lol, be patient, he will call

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    • bigjonliljon

      6 years ago

      Try February or March most likely

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    • AGAVE

      6 years ago

      You’re gonna have to wait Sir

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      6 years ago

      It’s not even the Winter Meetings yet.

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    • gotothevideotape

      6 years ago

      Listen Bros.
      Relax!! Since the BB season is over and sad for most, GOD GAVE US HOT STOVE to stretch out the season, to get excited, to boo, to be elated, it just keeps us wondering and chatting, hopefully in a good way. It is exciting not knowing who goes where. You cannot have the patience of a flea!!
      Therefore, I wish a peaceful and healthy holiday season to all . That is all that matters!

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      • MetsYankeesRedSox

        6 years ago

        Bah Humbug

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    • butch779988

      6 years ago

      Probably March

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    • Charles Schwab

      6 years ago

      The winter meetings in Vegas don’t start till December 9th and have we forgotten last offseason already?

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  2. allweatherfan

    6 years ago

    Eye Wash?

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    • smith_matd

      6 years ago

      It’s an idiom, a sort of colloquialism.

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    • cxcx

      6 years ago

      Makeup.

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  3. stubby66

    6 years ago

    Honestly who really cares these guys aren’t going to sign until March. I would rather get excited in the gems that could be out there right now in rule 5 eligable players and guys who just got DFA.

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    • 3rdStrikeLooking

      6 years ago

      Thank you, Johnny GM.

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    • dimitrios in la

      6 years ago

      Exactly. Harper and Machado and their pending deals make me yawn. I predict they both get less than predicted. Also, market demand doesn’t seem that strong or widespread.

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      • stymeedone

        6 years ago

        Yankees, Philadelphia, St.Louis, Atlanta, and maybe 2-3 other teams can afford either of these two. It can be argued that the Yankees don’t really have a need. So anyone else should be marketing to the other 24 teams out there. No need for Toronto, or Cleveland, or Seattle to wait to sign a player.

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  4. #L1C4Life

    6 years ago

    Seriously? 2 things, Liberty Media owns the Braves but they have nothing to do with the payroll. And David O’Brien already quashed his own rumor about the Braves being interested in Harper, try to keep up.

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    • Tom

      6 years ago

      How does the company that owns the Braves have nothing to do with payroll? The controlling company gives the division (team) a budget, and they use that to determine payroll. If Liberty Media cuts that division’s (Braves) budget, that will affect payroll. If they increase it that will also affect payroll. Saying they have nothing to do with payroll is just silly.

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      • RunDMC

        6 years ago

        I believe that statement comes out of the agreement that Liberty has lived up to since taking over the team that the budget will fall in line with the attendance. Now this could have changed – and it’s up to the Braves how/if they want to spend it (i.e. bad free agent classes or spending it on building international academies abroad is what this money has gone to in the past, etc.).

        The team has painted a rosy picture of the next half-decade at SunTrust and there’s been someone that made the argument to sign a big free agent now so that when the current (bad) TV contract is up in 2028 – they will be able to negotiate a larger TV deal from the increased TV ratings that big free agent (and presumed winning teams) would bring to the table. Essentially, you could pay for the player’s contract in the next TV deal – especially if you’re considering Harper’s proposed deals will be 10+ years (through the end of the current TV deal).

        While Liberty determines a budget for the team, the team determines the payroll because not all of the budget has to be spent on payroll. Essentially, if Harper’s contract fits into the proposed budget – they can afford him. Not unlike if you got a job that pays better and you were able to get a nicer car with higher payments that fit into your budget.

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        • RunDMC

          6 years ago

          So it took all that to say that it actually would be in Liberty’s interests to sign a big free agent now because more winning teams, profitability from SunTrust Park and a new TV deal would make their investment its richest it has ever been – and an incredible ROI (return on investment) if they do choose to put the team up for sale after negotiating a new TV deal.

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        • Salionski

          6 years ago

          Liberty doesn’t actually set the payroll. They have no involvement. Part of the terms of the acquisition. The team is just a paper asset. It’s a confusing mess that even the Atlanta media doesn’t seem to understand.

          They operate as an independent entity even though they aren’t officially independent.

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        • WouldSettleForWildcard

          6 years ago

          You may be onto something, Run! Suddenly, I find I want to see individual player ROI calculated and displayed along with WAR, fWAR, etc.

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        • RunDMC

          6 years ago

          Actually, I’d like to see that too.

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    • Rex Block

      6 years ago

      For $400 million Liberty will certainly have veto power.

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    • petfoodfella

      6 years ago

      Where has O’Brien shot down his own post?

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    • elmore80

      6 years ago

      Braves are in on Harper then their not,then they are. Just sign him to keep him from the Phillies. Trade for a catcher and a closer and win the East.

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    • SoCalBrave

      6 years ago

      The only way the Braves sign Harper is if he agrees to a 15 year 500M contract where 250M are paid in the last 5 years, when they can have a new TV deal.

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  5. Yanks2

    6 years ago

    Imagine no team wants to pay what they’re asking and it turns out like the Mike Moustakas contract where he had to settle for a one year deal that was worth like nothing

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    • Waitings The Hardest Part

      6 years ago

      Yeah, they may not get 350 400 mill but if the yankees signed either to 7-10 years 300-340 mill youll call it a steal.

      They won’t sign 1 year deals. Theyre 26. Theyll get significant offers.

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    • Tom

      6 years ago

      Players like Moustakas had trouble last year because of the changing market, and the fact that most players last year were not elite and wanted to be paid like they were elite. Harper and Machado are elite, and will get paid accordingly. And they’ll likely sign during the winter meetings.

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    • Rex Block

      6 years ago

      @raytown I don’t see quite exactly that scenario as happening, but if it gets close to ST and neither is signed (still unlikely, but –), teams will step up with deals loaded with options, even one-year options, to give the players a chance to retest the FA waters.

      Both have already received and rejected QOs so that may have some impact too.

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      • Cat Mando

        6 years ago

        Only Harper rec’d a QO…Machado was traded mid-season.

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  6. ThatBallwasBryzzoed

    6 years ago

    I think the team that gets Harper is gonna regret it half way in. Just like the Joe Mauer contract. And even the Albert Pujols contract. If Pujols wasnt 35 when he signed that contract it wouldn’t be so bad. He was the 6th player to hit 600+ home runs. So Anaheim got that to look back on.

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    • Joe Kerr

      6 years ago

      Pujols signed that deal in 2011 for the year starting 2012, his age 32 season.

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      • Vizionaire

        6 years ago

        arte got a cool extra billion in tv $$$ for signing pujols.

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        • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

          6 years ago

          He also never took geography because he renamed the team that plays in Anaheim. The reason was to literally bring in more Hispanic fans. That’s the only reason he changed it from Anaheim angels to Los Angeles Angels

          Yes I know most teams dont actually play in the city they are named after. Most people dont know the Bills are the only new York football team. The giants and jets play in new jersey.

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      • Free Clay Zavada

        6 years ago

        People argue that Pujols’ true age is older than what’s listed, so I imagine that’s why he said 35

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    • Tom

      6 years ago

      The are big differences between Pujols/Mauer and Harper. When Pujols became a free agent he was 31 years old and had already played the best baseball he would ever play. If you didn’t know that at time, you were a moron. You were paying him hoping he’d give you half the contract of elite play, and then decline. Harper is 26, and still has loads of potential. Pujols’ only potential at the time of his signing was plateauing and/or declining; Harper can still get better. With Mauer, he was being paid after having an MVP year, playing for his hometown team as they moved into a new ballpark. His contract was driven by outside factors rather than value.

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      • coronajoe

        6 years ago

        “Moron” is a bit harsh. How about “uninformed”?

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    • petfoodfella

      6 years ago

      I see Harper holding up better than Mauer.

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      • RunDMC

        6 years ago

        So was SunTrust made for Freeman – or for Harper…? If Harper is a Brave – Braves need to pay WSH to take Teheran…

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        • petfoodfella

          6 years ago

          Teheran was a great pitcher for Atlanta in 2018, based on stats.

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        • southi

          6 years ago

          I believe he was referring to Harper’s ability to crush Teheran, and was not insinuating that Teheran didn’t pitche well at times (of course his Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde routine meant he stunk sometimes too).

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        • RunDMC

          6 years ago

          Harper has hit Teheran at a .450 clip for 8 HRs in 40 ABs for a 1.702 OPS — that’s not a typo. Hence why Harper should campaign for Teheran’s team to be playing him 18 games/year.

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        • vtadave

          6 years ago

          Which stats? He had a 4.83 FIP and 4.3 BB/9. 0;7 fWAR

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    • Samuel

      6 years ago

      “I think the team that gets Harper is gonna regret it half way in.”

      1. They’ll regret it long before that.

      2. Same with Machado.

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      • southbeachbully

        6 years ago

        I think it depends on the term of the contract and total dollars. If a team who can absorb their cost AND afford to build a team around them signs either to a 8/$240 or 8/$270 mil then, aside from injury, there’s a good chance they’ll get what’s expected of them. It’s all a matter of what’s most important to the player and how desperate a team gets.

        A lot of these teams sign guys to long contracts and you already know that inevitably, they’ll probably be traded to free up cash (Greinke, Stanton, etc).

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        • Samuel

          6 years ago

          “A lot of these teams sign guys to long contracts and you already know that inevitably, they’ll probably be traded to free up cash (Greinke, Stanton, etc).”

          Uh-huh.

          And when that happens, the team that gave them the contract has already petered out due the percentage of the payroll they eat up, and then has to go into a deep rebuild for years.

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        • StlCardsfan4life

          6 years ago

          Totally agree. Maybe last offseason carries on to this offseason. Maybe neither player gets 300-400 mil or maybe higher aav and less years

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    • Palmerpark

      6 years ago

      Wrong Harper, Manny and soon Bryant and Trout are the guys you sign at 26/27 years old not a 31 year old That’s already slowing down….

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      • thesheriffisnear

        6 years ago

        Bryant will be entering his age 30 season when he’s a free agent. And no chance he signs an extension before then.

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    • SoCalBrave

      6 years ago

      You are 100% correct, assuming he signs a 20 year contract.

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    • martras

      6 years ago

      I don’t think the Twins regret the Mauer contract. It was never the albatross people made it out to be. Mauer had 3 All Star caliber seasons after he signed the extension and before the freak concussion.

      It’s not like Mauer was performing at a Ryan Howard level after the signing or something.

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  7. steelerbravenation

    6 years ago

    I really hope the Braves don’t go for Harper or Machado I really hope they get Acuna signed to a team friendly contract

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    • Slevin

      6 years ago

      When have the Braves spent like what it’s gonna take to sign Harper?

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    • Waitings The Hardest Part

      6 years ago

      See mike trouts contract? Given increase in market acuna should-break 170-180 mill.

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  8. sufferforsnakes

    6 years ago

    Ain’t neither of them worth what they’re being projected to get.

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    • O Conchobhair

      6 years ago

      You asking or telling?

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      • sufferforsnakes

        6 years ago

        Asking would have a question mark.

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  9. Pax vobiscum

    6 years ago

    By this time next year when neither Machado or Harper are in Philadelphia, Middleton will be looking for a new GM.

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    • Tom

      6 years ago

      What makes you think the Phillies will miss out on both? Middleton seems to really want to spend stupid money, and if they miss out on one they’ll likely doubledown on the other, and give a really stupid contract. And a team offers a player stupid money, they’ll accept.

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      • Pax vobiscum

        6 years ago

        There’s going to be a lot of stupid money on the table from teams like the Dodgers and Yankees, both of which have more team stability than the Phillies and a greater likelihood of making the playoffs..

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  10. xabial

    6 years ago

    Happy Thanksgiving Eve

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    • 24TheKid

      6 years ago

      Thanksgiving Eve is not a thing.

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      • Slevin

        6 years ago

        Maybe it is to him..geesh

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      • MetsYankeesRedSox

        6 years ago

        Of course it is.

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    • gotothevideotape

      6 years ago

      Back at ya dude!

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  11. pinkerton

    6 years ago

    I remember this time last year, a lot of the free agent talk was Lance Lynn and Alex Cobb.

    I reckon these two are the new Lynn/Cobb..

    happy turkey day all, go get crunk

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    • jleve618

      6 years ago

      You don’t need to tell me twice.

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  12. Lance

    6 years ago

    the “worth”of anyone is relative and it boils down to how valuable you are to someone else.

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  13. Niekro

    6 years ago

    I am probably a minority but Harper’s talent and age is just very hard to overlook even with all his shortcomings always going to be a manager that thinks he can reach him, he has all the talent that Mike Trout does but has not yet maximized it consistently,. I dont get alot of the hate he gets he is borderline arrogant but that confidence is also valuable. I would like to see him suit up with the Braves but its not my money on the line so I understand both sides.

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    • omalleyiv

      6 years ago

      Bryce Harper’s WAR year by year starting in his first full season – 5.2, 3.7, 1.1, 10.0, 1.5, 4.7, 1.3
      For a total of 27.5 over 7 seasons

      Mike Trout’s WAR year by year starting in his first full season – 10.5, 9.0, 7.6, 9.4, 10.5, 6.7, 10.2
      For a total of 63.9 over 7 seasons

      Trout is on a completely different level than Harper. I would not even consider wasting hundreds of millions on a player with one elite year. I would want to spend it on someone who is going to be consistent year in and year out, which Harper is certainly not.

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      • Tom

        6 years ago

        I don’t think anyone is disputing that Trout is far and away the better player. However, Harper has tons of talent, has proven to be a good MLB player, with elite potential. The biggest difference between them is availability…a team can sign Harper and get better…Trout is not available right now.

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        • Slevin

          6 years ago

          Yea, I don’t get why people always have to pull-up Trout.

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        • RunDMC

          6 years ago

          ….or you could wait 1 more year for 28 y/o Nolan Areando. Sure, he’ll be a little bit older, but he’ll be playing a more premium position (at a higher rate: GG every season he’s played, Silver Slugger in last 4). I guess we’ll see how many really value the high-altitude and the curse of the splits.

          For my money – aside from Trout – he’d be the guy I’d build my franchise around (Acuna’s not far behind…)

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      • hollidayfever

        6 years ago

        Despite your apparent favoritism for bWAR vs fangraphs shorting him by 3 or so by comparison, Trout is arguably the best player ever to this point in his career, so yeah, no Harper isn’t as good. Harper is indeed also in historically great company with his relative age and production. He’s also had some injury shortened seasons that he still put up over 4 WAR. He’s got a much larger range of outcomes than Trout, but he’s been a 4.5 WAR/600 PA guy as his floor. He’s an amazing hitter with above average baserunning and also been miscast as a CF which probably drags down his overall defensive numbers relative to just staying in RF.

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        • Wilford Pennington

          6 years ago

          At this point in Trout’s career, at the same point in Pujols’ career, Pujols is by far the better player. His first 14 seasons, he had 30 or more homeruns and has a career batting average of .308. He’s a 3 time All Star, plus has World Series rings.

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        • omalleyiv

          6 years ago

          All I’m saying is if you’re going to pay a player $30+ million a year, you better know you’re getting a consistently elite player. Talent is all well and good until you have to pay someone that kind of money who consistently underachieves. Especially considering he has the potential to be a top 5 player in the league. The Braves are better off not spending that type of money when they don’t have the ability to have a top 5 or even top 10 payroll.

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        • Wilford Pennington

          6 years ago

          With Harper’s low batting average, I have to say, no way he’s a $300mm player. And as the shift is employed more often, his average isn’t getting any better. Apparently, you are a Braves fan. I’m a Cardinals fan. I would’nt want the red birds to sign him either. Machado would be a better player.

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  14. justacubsfan

    6 years ago

    Harper contract will be value… pujols contract was bad because he was 31/32 when he signed. Bryce is 26. AL teams that can DH him eventually should be paying him truckloads of cash!

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    • Wilford Pennington

      6 years ago

      Pujols was a better player at age 32 than Harper will be in his entire life.

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  15. justacubsfan

    6 years ago

    The “back half” of his contract is likely years 32-36 which isn’t terrible at all. The guy was one of youngest MVP’s and has been amazing when healthy.

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  16. AGAVE

    6 years ago

    Wouldn’t teams me more willing to sign either player for max money on shorter contracts?

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    • Niekro

      6 years ago

      I think they would be foolish to consider a short term deal they will probably have opt out options in the short term though. Too much potential money to leave on the table for such premium free agents. Short term high AAV deals also make it hard for the team to push money where they want it, its a very big hit to yearly budgets.

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    • Waitings The Hardest Part

      6 years ago

      Sure but players want security. They try to get as many years as they can in the event an injury happens details their career etc.

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  17. ScottRC

    6 years ago

    Why do I have a feeling neither of them are gonna sign a deal until January or later?

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  18. thegreatcerealfamine

    6 years ago

    Yankees have four more things to do:
    1. Sign Harper
    2. Trade Gray
    3. Sign a BP arm
    4. Sign Corbin

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    • Waitings The Hardest Part

      6 years ago

      You aren’t buying the Harper to 1st idea are You? I don’t see NY paying 30 mill for a 1B.

      Now if you move Stanton or judge to 1st to open a spot for Harper in the OF maybe.

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        6 years ago

        No, I’m buying him as the full time Left Fielder. Judge is entrenched in Right, and just like last year Stanton will rotate with Judge at DH for rest.

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        • southbeachbully

          6 years ago

          I agree with everything you said. I just can’t see Cashman signing Harper to play 1B when we MIGHT have a future everyday 1B in Voit yet have Frazier, Gardner and Ellsbury as our only options in LF,

          Yanks need a LH bat and LF makes the most sense to place one. Manny is more of a luxury than Harper imo.

          I would be happy if they simply brought back Hecchavaria to be Didi’s replacement until he’s ready to come back.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          6 years ago

          What about Josh Harrison rotating at second with Tyler Wade, and Torres of course sliding over to short?

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    • Aaron Sapoznik

      6 years ago

      I agree with your 2-4 predictions. I also believe that Manny Machado would be the more likely #1 fit in the Bronx over Bryce Harper.

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  19. JJB

    6 years ago

    Machado will be just fine and will get a huge contract as well. I think his comments were overblown, as well as the sudden hatred for him from “fans” that don’t want him on their team. It’s not as if his play magically changed from the first seven years of his career to not being “Johnny Hustle” once the 2018 postseason started — aside from the Game 4 incident. He was always the same player, but once he verbalized the way he’s played his entire career, all of a sudden he’s Public Enemy #1 among prospective free agents.

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  20. Jockstrapper

    6 years ago

    That opening paragraph is so queer.

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    • Pax vobiscum

      6 years ago

      What does this comment mean?

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      • Waitings The Hardest Part

        6 years ago

        ITS FABULOUS!!!!!!!

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      • BigFred

        6 years ago

        Apparently he/she doesn’t think of Machado and Harper as “belles of the ball”. The rest of us do, of course.

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    • Aaron Sapoznik

      6 years ago

      That opening paragraph is brilliant! When have you ever read one that had “encapsulation” and “belles of the ball” in the same verse. Kudos to Jeff Todd, the Frank Herbert of baseball writers.

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  21. bravesfan

    6 years ago

    Look, the braves absolutely need to be a player in the Harper sweepstakes. They owe their fans at least that. Should they mortgage everything to get him? Prob not, but he’s a great young player that would fit in fine with a great young team. Plus, who knows… maybe for some reason Harper wants to play for the braves and would take a little less to play for them. Lol Yes I know, unlikely, but to be fair he crushes it at our parks… plus a braves uniform would make him look like the next chipper jones… just saying lol

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    • BrandonBrave91

      6 years ago

      Whoa I couldn’t disagree more. I think the majority of braves fans dont wont/like him. I dont. Would rather have machado, but that’s alot of payroll to tie up. If braves really want to do something special, call Anaheim and give them whatever it takes for trout, then call San Fran, and give them whatever it takes for mad bum and call it an offseason.

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      • Cat Mando

        6 years ago

        Trout would have to agree, he has a full NTC. Mad-Bum has a limited 8 team.

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        • BrandonBrave91

          6 years ago

          So? Let’s assume they’ll both agree to come to ATL. If not, at least the braves can say we tried, and move on to the next guy(s).

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        • Cat Mando

          6 years ago

          Because it’s easy to say “and give them whatever it takes for trout” but you always have to consider if the player will agree.

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      • citizen

        6 years ago

        machado wont last a season in atlanta after getting booed for watching a long fly ball bounce off the wall for a single or called out at first without even running out the box. Harper would make more sense but 35mil+ for 110 games a year?
        Braves bullpen is more of a concern for finding relievers who dont walk the bases loaded.

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        • bravesfan

          6 years ago

          I totally agree. We can’t pay that much for him and the bullpen absolutely needs to be addressed with so many shutdown arms on the market. All I’m saying is the owe the braves fans an effort to get him. Sitting on the sidelines while someone else grabs a potential hall of famer at such a young age is no good. Plus, you never know. He might want to play with a young team that shows a lot potential so he wins for the next 10 years. Not just wins tomorrow

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    • doxiedevil

      6 years ago

      Chipper in the same sentence…….

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      • bravesfan

        6 years ago

        Lol yea I might have gotten a little extreme but u get the idea. He could become a legend much like chipper in a braves uniform, which is ultimately what I was saying

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  22. BlueSkyLA

    6 years ago

    Has Boras finally driven a stake through the heart of that cliched word “iconic” with his terminal overuse and patented random hyperbole?

    We can only hope so,

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  23. srdiaz1972

    6 years ago

    West Coast reppin’. Machado to the Angels and Harper to the Dodgers!

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    • doxiedevil

      6 years ago

      very logical

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  24. silverbackjack

    6 years ago

    both guys are very untalented but both are also huge douche bags that believe the world revolves around them. the amount of money they’re asking for is just insane.

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    • Wilford Pennington

      6 years ago

      Totally agree with you.

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  25. Brian grzybowski

    6 years ago

    White Sox need to first trade for Thor. They are one of a few teams that can then go sign both Harper and Machado. Getting Thor first would be another sell point. With Eloy coming up this year, and Robert the next season, and with moncada and Anderson as young good players, Sox would be filthy

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    • Aaron Sapoznik

      6 years ago

      Not likely. The Mets are looking for controllable MLB talent and/or elite MLB ready prospects. The first player they would insist upon from the White Sox would be Eloy Jimenez, followed by Yoan Moncada and Tim Anderson.

      The team on the North Side of Chicago is the better match. The Cubs can offer an attractive package from among their OF’s (Ian Happ, Albert Almora, Kyle Schwarber) INF’s (Addison Russell, David Bote) a catcher (Victor Caratini) and pitching (Mike Montgomery, Carl Edwards Jr.). The Cubs might also agree on a simpler swap featuring Kris Bryant.

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  26. doxiedevil

    6 years ago

    Lets see now, Braves held out 200K in arbitration on Folty but would be serious about 350 to 450 million on long deal for Harper.

    When Pigs fly !

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  27. dobsonel

    6 years ago

    I don’t think these guys are going to get the years MLB TradeRumors has predicted. I think the dollars will be there but I think the years will be around 7 without opt outs or frontloading

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    • dobsonel

      6 years ago

      Or closer to 10 with opt outs and front-loading.

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      • Slevin

        6 years ago

        8 years, first four 30-33 Million, opt out after that four, 27-30 last four.

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        • dobsonel

          6 years ago

          Yeah that’s where my head was at. The game is changing. Owners don’t want to risk the years like they used to. It’s becoming a young man’s game.

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        • Cat Mando

          6 years ago

          Right premise but low $$. Both want and will get a higher AAV than Greinke and to beat Stanton’s $325M. Both can be done with a opt out after year four with a team override that increases years 5-8 by $6M/year if they produce in years 1-4. Add two option years (which most likely won’t be chosen) for their age 35 & 36 seasons with a $10M buy out for each. Teams with little on the books can do it.

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  28. jlahman

    6 years ago

    Personally,I don’t think either one gets more than $250 m. I just think the days of big money are over. (Not that that’s not big money) I don’t think the owners are willing to spend 3-4 hundred million anymore.

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    • Joe Kerr

      6 years ago

      Harper already rejected 300 million from the Nats, and I’m sure they are still willing to if he wanted to go back to them. The owners of other teams also know this and are still making it widely known that they aren’t deterred by the price so he will absolutely get more than 300 million.

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      • Slevin

        6 years ago

        What owners have made it known that “they aren’t deterred by the price”?

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      • stymeedone

        6 years ago

        The Nationals pulled their offer.

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  29. MikePLV10

    6 years ago

    No way Braves sign either!! But it’s fun to think about! Sign Harper, Grandel and trade for a #1 starter!

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  30. Rickeo02

    6 years ago

    Please let the Yankees sign both

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  31. citizen

    6 years ago

    I doubt harper and machado are holding up the offseason. They aren’t make or break players for most teams.. What team besides the phillies and angels want to spend a lot of money on one or two players and dont want to win. Alex rodruguez didnt sign until after the winter meetings when he was a free agent out of seattle. Most trades and signings wont happen until during and after winter meetings

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  32. 8791Slegna

    6 years ago

    Why can’t Johnny hustle?

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  33. Fuck Me Bitch

    6 years ago

    What an odd year.
    When the two marquee free agents are such unappealing human beings.

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    • Slevin

      6 years ago

      What a weird thing to say.

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  34. seth3120

    6 years ago

    I really see Harper to the Cardinals. Not typically the type of deal you see from them but I think the interest in Stanton shows they realize they lack a star position player that can be a difference maker with the bat. Mega deals are overall losers historically and this one may be to but his age and build makes this one more attractive. Most guys signed are on the back end of their prime for these deals while Harper hasn’t hit his prime yet. Cardinals have some potential star pitchers but I think they know their star position player isn’t in the organization currently

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    • Aaron Sapoznik

      6 years ago

      I would like the Cardinals chances better if Bryce Harper had named his dog Busch instead of Wrigley.

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  35. BRIAN P

    6 years ago

    THE CARDINALS MAIN FOCUS SHOULD BE NOLAN ARENADO.
    forget harper and machado.
    my goodness….harper is a career .279 hitter and i don’t care for machado’s attitude.
    arenado is a given .300 35hr 110 rbi and a gold glove every year. 3 young pitchers should get the deal done.

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