While other major rumors swirl, the Mets appear to have a line open with other organizations regarding power righty Noah Syndergaard. Chatter on Thor has been percolating for some time now, but there’s increasing indication that the Mets actually prefer to move the franchise cornerstone.
Indeed, the New York org is “motivated” to move on from Syndergaard, according to Kiley McDaniel of Fangraphs (Twitter link), with the organization said to be reaching out to rivals to gauge interest. As others have suggested, the Mets would then anticipate turning around and bringing in another starter via free agency.
It remains somewhat unclear precisely why the Mets have determined that trading Syndergaard is the right course, but new GM Brodie Van Wagenen is clearly out to re-shape the roster. That the big righty is a former Van Wagenen client only adds to the intrigue. In any event, there’ll be no shortage of suitors. When healthy, Syndergaard is a monster on the mound and a rather marketable asset to boot.
The rival club most frequently tied to Syndergaard of late is the Padres. As Jon Heyman of Fancred tweets, though, the San Diego outfit is not only unwilling to part with top prospect Fernando Tatis Jr., but won’t part with MacKenzie Gore or Luis Urias, either. It seems that the Friars are more amenable to discussing other prospects, though it’s arguable there are a few others who are or ought to be just as untouchable as that trio.
Otherwise, the Brewers are now a team to watch on Syndergaard, according to Andy Martino of SNY.tv. Their level of interest isn’t clear, but it’s obviously not hard to imagine the Milwaukee org liking the idea of placing Thor atop their rotation. The Reds and Yankees, however, are not involved in the pursuit.
As for the Mets’ apparent plan to add another arm if they move Syndergaard, it’s anyone’s guess how that’ll play out. Certainly, with other moves afoot that’d add salary, this approach would indicate a real willingness to boost the payroll. Just how far, though, remains to be seen. The top-available pitchers would require significant contracts. Other, lesser hurlers are obviously under consideration — Mike Puma of the New York Post cites Gio Gonzalez on Twitter — but assuredly will not bring Syndergaard’s upside and will still out-earn him in 2019 (he’s projected at just $5.9MM).
The Coupons showing their stupidity once again.
“Coupons” is the best one I’ve seen yet. You sir win this round.
Coupons has been in Mets fans vernacular for a decade.
How about Abbott and Costello?
Or my favorite, Mutt and Jeff?
I don’t follow the Mets fans to know their vernacular.
Most people don’t. Only the stubborn in denial.
Late to the game?
Late to life?
dugmet, Not a Mets fan. 3rd you seem to be lighter than late.
Coupons started literally a year after Doubleday sold out. Anything post-Piazza has been a train wreck. Like not giving Mussina 90 for 6 years but giving half as talented Appier 72 for 6 years………….then dozens more…………all the way to this NO CONTRACT OVER 3 years….lol
GM clearly learning on the job
Wagon Wheel will create nothing* out of a whole lot of commotion.
*meaningful results
Yanks have been pretty underwhelming recently. Unless playoff appearances mean something.
I do believe they will trade this man
I think the Padres would be better off trying to swing a deal for Zack Wheeler and/or Steven Matz. I like both of those guys in terms of cost and upside.
Of course, I doubt it will happen. Preller has our fan base convinced that just getting publicity for being “in” on a potential deal makes him smart and credible. Hopefully, this is the off-season that his Jedi mind trick wears off.
Why would the Padres want to trade for Wheeler the rental?
You need to get over this “rental” garbage until you figure out what side of the fence you’re on.
*ahem* Excuse me? I’ve been abundantly clear about what “side of the fence” I am on. I have always said I don’t expect the Padres to contend in 2019 and trading for Wheeler only makes sense if you think they will.
A “rental” is what you get at the trade deadline.
Suggesting that you don’t go get good players until you’re “ready to contend” shows that you really have no idea what it takes to win. Are you just going to pick a year and flip a switch?
If you don’t think 2019 is a critical year … well, see above.
Players acquired during the offseason before they become eligible for FA are also often referred to as “rentals.”
You get good players that are controllable into your contending years. Zack Wheeler doesn’t fit that mold.
2019 is a critical year as far as the development of prospects and letting the ones that make it to the majors show what they got and iron out the kinks. The Padres will not be contending in 2019 however.
Dude not dog
There are two kinds of rentals. One for example, is someone picked up at the trade deadline to help them push to the playoffs but can walk away at seasons end
Another kind of rental is a guy that has one year left and of good enough can be offered a qo if not been offered one prior
Two kinds of rentals
Dog you’re off
Rooster is on point
Not necessarily. That term has been reserved for trade deadline acquisitions since before he could tie his shoe laces.
Besides, it’s entertaining to push his buttons since he thinks he’s got the only right opinion … even when he changes it!
Says you
I’m a Yanks fan.
The Mets are fools.
All depends on the return
…….So that makes you just another foolish ny fan
Amen to that!! Also, the Cardinals would be fools not to be in on Syndergaard.
However, the Cardinals front office, when it comes to impact players, are a mouth full of excuses why they can’t acquire impact players rather than showing how they can acquire impact players such as Syndergaard.
The Cards farm system is a bit weak now. Don’t know that they have the goods to get it done.
The Cards need a middle of the order impact bat and until they find one it would be downright silly to focus on a distraction like this.
Pitchers are something the Cards have plenty of and in fact I wouldn’t be terribly shocked to see them trade some pitching away,possibly even Martinez.
Also, the Cards farm is far from weak. It’s not a world beater but we can spare desirable prospects to make a deal if they decide to attempt a trade.
If he gets a haircut and starts listening to management he could become the pitcher that the Mets have always bragged about. None of this will be realized in Flushing with the fools and crooks in charge.
And Sheff if the Mets are fools then their staunch loyalists are _______________.
I guess Mr. Met is sick of Thor stepping out with Mrs. Met.
Seriously, trading him with a few more years of control *might* be to either clear salary for Cano, or (more unrealistically) to make a run at Bryce Harper.
I’m not sure I like either scenario.
lol…Harper isn’t signing with the Mets!
Zero chance of any top line star signing with the Mets. Even if Bernie Madoff paid Fred back, a player who wants to
Win won’t risk being part of such a circus.
They are making a serious run for Bryce.
Leading the way is Cespedes.
Oh, his foot hurts so he is limping.
Their offer will be limp
Hey Wright-Did you like when the Mets traded their signature franchise player, Tom Seaver? Haha
Gio Gonzalez, I bet Mets fans just love the idea of that.
Nationals fans also love the idea of the Mets signing Gio Gonzalez.
Would love to see him in a Braves uni, but the ask would probably be too much.
3 years team control. THREE!! Should get more than Archer
I like to think NS is significantly better than CA
But a WHOLE lot less healthy, which tends to trump everything else.
Even with the injuries Thor has produced 2 more WAR than Chris Archer over the past 3 seasons.
Exactly. And truly believe Thor’s injuries are overstated…You saw Paxton career high 160IP and year less team control than Thor, fetched?
Yankees’ #1 Prospect and two lottery tickets
Yeah but once Sheffield was traded, I heard he really wasn’t that good anyway.
Sheffield had his questions, most notably: control issues, short stature, and third pitch.
5’11-6’0 but important thing is value: Did well to sell high on guy who always injured and possibly lost trade value with each given day of less control — assume Pax doesnt get injured
Paxton also ha potential his own right, despite turning 30 soon. 200K+ 160IP no joke!
Instead of thinking, look at the stats for the last 4 seasons.
NS – 2.93 ERA, 2.95 WAR/season, 123 IP/season (518 IP total), 9.9 SO/9
CA – 3.87 ERA, 2.7 WAR/season, 191 IP/season (762 IP total), 10.6 SO/9
When he is on the field, NS is a little better than CA.
CA is on the field 50% more than NS.
So who do you want? The better guy that has missed nearly a half season every year on average or the guy that is nearly as good but takes the ball every 5th day?
Now for the return Archer got the Rays.
Austin Meadows was the headliner of the trade. A top 30 overall prospect to start the 2018 season with a 55FV.
For Tyler Glasnow, 2018 was his third year in the majors, the Pirates had him in a relief role entirely, and he struggled to a 4.43 ERA for the season.
Shane Baz is not a top 100 prospect. He struggled in his first taste of professional baseball with a 4.47 ERA in the Appalachian rookie league.
If NS gets slightly better than that and the Mets want players that will make the 2019 team better, then Mejia, Nix, and a couple of MLB relievers should do the trick.
I feel like the catching prospect that San Diego received in the Brad Hand Trade should be someone the Mets would want. They have a need at C and that would be a long term fix
Mejia? He’s a solid prospect but I doubt something that would headline a Thor trade. Some doubts whether he’s a C long-term (although his bat plays anywhere).
His bat may play anywhere, but I’m not so sure it’d be considered “special” if he can’t stick behind the plate (unless he can find a way to play an adequate CF or 2B – not likely).
Stupid is as stupid says and that was pretty stupid. Mejia is the #26 overall prospect in baseball. He would headline a trade for just about any player.
A Thor trade with SD probably includes one of Mejia or Hedges. Padres can afford to part with one but not both.
If Thor is traded, I will know the Mets hired an idiot.
Hey, they can finish 25 games out WITH Syndergaard. Maybe they should see what they can get for him and retool.
They should have started the retooling last July so all of the pitchers had an extra pennant chase and post season potential.
However that’s the Mets way…too late and now they will get too little.
Whether Thor leaves the team or not, you can be guaranteed an idiot hired Brodie Van Candygram.
He did by a years pass on the Polar Express.
Didn’t you all ever think that Van Wagenen may know something about Syndergaard that nobody else knows – like a chronic injury that he can’t disclose as his former agent?
In the very least, it’s very odd that Van Wagenen is looking to move him so eagerly. It smells of something.
Was thinking the exact same thing marlinfan. If your goal is truly to compete, Syndergaard is a must keep. If they really do want to compete and still want to trade him with 3 years of control, they must know something about him that everybody else doesn’t.
That’s a good name MYRS—I call him Wagon Wheel. Of course the imagery is an old Wagon with square shaped wheels.
Geez Mets, you literally stole him from TOR. Build around him for crying out loud. Get some bats and score some runs for this great pitching staff.
Am I missing something here?
No. Perfectly stated.
If Mets do not get at least Urias and Gore for Syndergaard then why even consider trading him to the Padres? Steep asking price but when Sheffield gets traded for Paxton straight up have to think Thor is worth a Tatis Jr and Austin hedges deal. No Tatis, I would want Urias and Gore and if that’s a no go I don’t understand the hurry to trade him? If Mets get fleeced on Syndergaard I am seriously done with this team.
Padres can’t afford to trade Urias. If they trade him who is their 2B?
Mets throw in Giminez also. If You want Syndergaard and want to keep Tatis Jr you have to pay with Gore and Urias in my opinion.
Isn’t that kind of a lateral move? Would make more sense for SD to throw in a lower prospect than to swap Urias and Gimenez.
Meant to Add Mejia in that deal also if Mets send Giminez to Padres along with Thor
Padres would trade Mejia way before Urias. They already have Austin Hedges at C.
I believe once the Padres left Tatis Jr, Gore & Urias off the table, the Mets scratched the Padres off the list of potential suitors.
Let them.
Doesn’t matter who they would trade well before Urias. Padres aren’t getting Thor without Gore and Urias Included and I think that’s why they just paid Garret Richards’s because the Mets said thanks but no thanks and keep dreaming. Paddack and Hedges doesn’t even come close to getting you thor and that’s what they seemed to try and pull.
Padres could put together a worthy package without Tatis, Gore or Urias. If that is what it takes I’d rather they take a chance on G. Rich, not open up a hole at 2B and not trade away a guy who will basically be Thor in 3 years.
Name me your worthy package without including any of those top 3? Paddack at his best is a number 3 or 4 Thor is a bonafied 2 and an instant number 1 on your team. Cannot expect to get a pitcher of his caliber with three years of team control for not even one of your top 3 prospects. Tatis I get but honestly I was surprised the padres even wanted Thor to begin with maybe if this was 2-3 years from now I would get it.
You overvalue Thor’s awesomeness when you forget he doesn’t stay on the field for half the season
First off, he needs to average more than 123 IP a season to be a “bonafied 2.” But here we go.
Your choice of Francisco Mejia or Austin Hedges
Your choice of Hunter Renfroe, Franchy Cordero or Franmil Reyes
Adrian Morejon
Ryan Weathers
Buddy Reed
That should be enough to get it done. Don’t say “Morejon and Weathers aren’t even top 5 prospects in the Padres system.” Morejon would be #1 in the Mets’ system and Weathers would be #5 (each would actually be one spot lower if you take Mejia over Hedges because Mejia still technically qualifies as a prospect). Buddy Reed would be somewhere in the top 10 for the Mets.
Name the starting pitcher on the Mets worthy of any of those prospects headlining a deal. It isn’t Syndergaard. 123 IP per season with a 3.0 WAR does not get you top prospects.
Still too much. Use the Archer trade as your guide.
A top 25-30 overall prospect. (Mejia #26 fills a need for Mets)
A hard throwing reliever with the possibility of starting (Strahm LH or Diaz RH fits that description)
A recent starting pitching draft pick with promise outside the top 100 prospects (Quantrill or Nix if the Mets want an MLB ready starter)
Or throw a couple of the Padres current MLB relievers like Maton and Stammen or Stock in the place of Strahm.
That is more realistic for a guy that has not completed a MLB season without trips to the DL yet.
Get real. Syndergaard. 123 IP per season. 3.0 WAR. Never completed a MLB season without hitting the DL. 32 starts total the past 2 seasons. IF he had thrown 200 innings each of the last 3 seasons then he would be worth a Gore or a Urias. He hasn’t so he isn’t.
Mets fans seem to think he is Chris Sale. He isn’t and he will not get a return anywhere near what Sale got for the White Sox.
Think more like what Chris Archer got for the Rays. A top 25-30 prospect, a reliever that could be a starter but had a career ERA over 5 in 3 seasons in the majors, and a recent draft pick outside the top 100 prospects.
exactly why trade him if not getting the best offer possible say no and we will keep Noah
We also have no third baseman. He was sold to Japan. Preller.
Was not a fan of that move. Especially with Jose Pirela still on the roster.
You should use the Chris Sale trade as a comp. The Red Sox got 3 years of him for Moncada, Kopech and some other spare parts. Of course Syndergaard isn’t as good as Sale, but the Mets should expect to get 2-3 elite prospects here.
What are you smoking? Sale put up 650 IP over 3 seasons with a 4.8 WAR average and an 11.3 SO/9 before that trade. Syndergaard put up 184.1 IP over the last 2 seasons and 123 IP per season in his career. He has never approached 11.3 SO/9 and he has averaged under 3.0 WAR.
Syndergaard is not in Sale’s class. Let’s see him finish a season without missing time on the DL before you start comparing the two. Syndergard might get what Chris Archer got in trade (a top 30 prospect, a reliever, and a recent draft pick that was not in the top 100), but even that is questionable since Archer put up 617 IP in the 3 seasons leading up to that trade.
You have to play to have value and Syndergaard has not played enough.
Then u keep noah, hopefully he can pitch like an ace and trade him at the deadline or next off season
Or he gets hurt again like 2017 and spends most of 2019 on the DL and the Mets get less than what he might get now.
They can do it without Gore and Urias because even if they don’t include them you could still end up with 3 top 50 prospects. The Mets should still consider the Padres even if Tatis, Gore and Urias is unavailable.
You know that no reputable source considers Sheffield especially close to the quality of prospect that either Gore or Urias is, right? If you’re looking for a similarly valued pitcher in the Padres system, you’re dropping down to somewhere around Baez, Logan Allen, etc.
MLB pipeline ranks Urias the 27th best prospect and Sheffield the 31st, so..there’s that. Or have they JUST become ureputable?
Jonathan Mayo has always been awful at his job and Callis is much less gung-ho on Sheffield than Mayo is.
123 IP per season. Under 3.0 WAR per season. Missed more starts the last 2 seasons than he made. What makes you think Syndergaard is worth any of the Padres top prospects?
Sheffield is not as good as Urias or Gore.
Because Sheffield would barely be in the Padres top 8.
Just because the Padres won’t trade their 1-3 top prospects doesn’t mean they still can’t blow everyone else away with prospects.
Now that Weathers has been added the Padres have “nine” top 100 prospects.
I would think Brodie knows about an injury or something else that we all don’t know about. Considering they plan to contend next year, you would think having a power 1-2 in the rotation would be a luxury a contending team would want to keep.
Sounds like they are not really interested in trading Thor, but I guess it’s a fun offseason diversion.
Thor to the Brewers before Christmas.
Would gladly love BVW to negotiate with the Brewers as long as Keston Hiura is the main piece in any deal.
Like I said before, the Mets should trade Syndergaard to the Brewers for Corey Knebel, Keston Hiura, Corey Ray and Jacob Nottingham. Makes sense for both teams. Knebel can setup Diaz. Talk about a deadly 1,2 punch.
My guess Woodruff, Huira, Pina, Santana and Ray for Thor and D’arnaud
I am ok with all of this deal except Knebel. I would throw in Peralta instead.
Freddy Peralta
Corey Ray
Zach Brown
for
Thor
Thats pretty light, Its going to cost one of Burnes or Hiura plus two of those three and another 1 or 2 low A/ Rookie ball guys
I say Burnes all day IMO, easier to lose a SP pros pct over a infield prospect like Hiura. SP prospects can be so volatile
I would be ok with Burnes, Ray, and Brown with 2 Low A guys for Thor
Why would the Brewers trade Knebel when they established last year they want to depend on the bullpen to win games. One added TOR arm isn’t going to change that philosophy. Also, Knebel himself would net at least two top prospects plus others in a trade. Thor is not worth 4+ top prospects(when considering what Knebel is worth) and a ML ready catching prospect. Look at what Sale cost the Red Sox. Two Elite prospects and two other T30 org prospects. I would argue Thor is less valuable than Sale was at the time of the trade due to his injury history, so one T50, a backend or fringe T100 and 2/3 T30 org prospects is closer to what you’ll see in a Thor trade. My prediction Huira/Woodruff/Stokes Jr/McClanahan/Sunitsch
Woodruff was a beast in the playoffs
Hope your right but not if it mean we give up Hiura. Thor has been injured to much and Hiura is our future 2nd baseman and lead off hitter for years to come.
I could see him traded to the rangers for closer jose leclerc and prospects
Not happening, they’re getting Diaz from Seattle to close for the next 4 plus seasons.
You do know that trade hasn’t happened yet lol
Braves?
I hope not. Thor would cost an unbelievable amount in talent and is undependable to remain healthy.
As a Yankee fan I am grateful to have the Mets on the other side of town. They’re the gift that keeps giving.
This reminds me heavily of Gerrit Cole trade to Astros!
I LOVE proving haters wrong. People doubted me when I said that the Mets would get both Cano & Diaz. Now, I’m betting the Mets trade Syndergaard for a massive bat. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Nolan Arenado. But because Arenado only has one year left compared to Thor’s three years, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were to try and get Raimel Tapia. Brodie Van Wagenen is not playing around. Needless to say, there’s a new sheriff in town. Watch out!!!
I dont think anyone doubted you that a deal like this could happen. They doubted the proposal you made, which honestly was not very realistic
Well, in fairness, that’s why I’m not currently employed as an MLB Executive, haha. However, I did have the proper players that would be involved. I mentioned Diaz as a priority over Haniger and I did mention the Mets might have to trade Gimenez and/or Dunn. So, I wasn’t that far off.
Mets haven’t gotten anyone yet -so cork that champagne. Any deal bringing Cano to the Mets is foolish. Guy is an aging cheater. Instead of dealing assets to get Diaz, just freaking pay that hillbilly Kimbrel..
VW (not the car >=}) is taking a lot of flack for this but I think everyone should give the guy a chance and see what they get back for him. When I look at Thor’s injury history, he seems really risky to depend on in any reasonable way.
Let’s trade away our top prospects for a Frontline starter so we can win 75 games next year and then try to trade him for lower level prospects in two years when we still suck.
Well..your username is definitely appropriate.
Will the BoSox make a call to the Mets. Hmmm
Considering that the new Mets GM is Syndergaard’s former agent, kind of tells you something about the interest to move him. Considering that he knows things about Syndergaard that he wouldn’t be able to disclose to the Mets or anyone while he was his agent, it doesn’t change the fact that he knows it – like an injury. Considering that Syndergaard has been dealing with health issues, there is a very good chance that Van Wagenen knows that something in Syndergaard’s health would make it very wise to trade him now for a big package before the season starts, and something is revealed that would lower the trade value. That’s one of the very likely possibilities at play here.
Mets fans, I don’t know if I’d bash this. Your GM may know that Syndergaard is a health problem that makes sense to cash in on now while he has value.
of course he’s a health risk – he throws 100 mph with a max effort type pitching motion. He’s high risk. That said, unless the return warrants a deal, you just can’t give him away. Screw SD if they won’t make Tatis, Gore or Urias available. Move on from them. For what the Mets want, teams that have it need it…..just don’t see this happening unless the GM proves to be an idiot and makes a bad deal.
Fair enough. But what would your thoughts be if the new GM takes a lesser deal, and then somewhere down the road, Syndergaard ends up with extended time on the DL, with something related to the issues he has already shown? While there are things on players’ medicals, what doesn’t appear is something that can’t be medically proven, but is disclosed to an agent – take your pick of possibilities.
I know that people want to blame stupidity on this GM, but the fact that he’s trying to do this after being Syndergaard’s agent, while having information that can never be disclosed due to an agent/client agreement, it makes you wonder if something isn’t rotten in Denmark. Could he know something that doesn’t appear in medical records, but an agent would be aware of, so he’s moving him before it rears its ugly head or comes out or occurs?
Let’s be honest. It makes no sense to move Syndergaard right now. However, if you have some information that nobody else has that says otherwise, you jump on moving him before anyone knows or something happens that is expected.
To me, people are looking at this wrong if they think the GM knows the darkest secret of Thor. The fact of the matter is Thor is his best asset to get the most back………deGrom is too old and on verge of being really expensive. Wheeler walks next year and Matz is a mess so far. Thor is the only guy that can bring the multiple player package of value – but therein lies the biggest problem…the Mets aren’t looking to flip Thor for A-AA prospects. They want pieces that can contribute now or in the near future, preferably impact bats/bullpen arms. That’s why when I see a suggestion for SD prospects further down the chain than a Tatis I just don’t see it making sense. What the Mets want is not realistically going to happen unless some team is hitting deep and pitching poor and can sacrifice MLB/AAA pieces. Tell me what team actually fits the profile and would be willing?
The A’s.
Brewers
Yankees
I’m not sure how medical/injury reports are handled, but that scenario seems unlikely because (1) MLB could reverse the trade if knowledge of an undisclsoed injury leaked, and (2) other teams would be reluctant to trade with the Mets.
It’s more reasonable that the Mets organization is looking to retool with high end prospects. While I don’t agree with trading Syndergaard, he does have trouble staying on the field (bad for the Mets) but would bring in a huge prospect haul (good for the Mets).
You are correct, but not everything appears in medical records. There are things that don’t appear because they are either not a guarantee of happening or are related to something else.
Haul or not, let’s be honest, a healthy Syndergaard showing he’s 100% and taking the next step in his career, is a lot more valuable for trade chips than he is now. However, if you are a GM that was previously in a position to know something, you move him now because you know his trade value is never going to be higher or equal to again.
Maybe it’s just me, but this seems fishy. I would not trade him now, unless I knew something.
Preller knows this all too well XD XD XD
That would be pretty appropriate if he were traded to the Padres…
If the Padres somehow end up with Thor and he has his best season yet and stays healthy i will be ecstatic.Mejia or Hedges will be included, Joey Luchessi is MLb ready just had his rookie season. The third guy might be Morejon or Paddack. Makes sense mets fans want Paddack because he will debut next year is ranked higher. Padres prob countering with Adrian Morejon #46/ Top 100. If Sandiego can get creative and try to use guys like Michel Baez,Logan Allen and Cal Quantril instead of Paddack or Morejon and include a bullpen piece like Craig Stammen as a sweetner it could work.
no, no it won’t work peddling 3rd/4th tier prospects. Mets want/need impact players ready to contribute now.
All of those guys are comparable to Sheffield. While the secondary pieces would need to be more than what Seattle got back (acknowledging that Seattle took a garbage package back) for Syndergaard, but that’s right about where they should be for the headliner.
Have you looked at the Mets system lately? Any of the pitchers that Padres fan mentioned would be the best pitching prospect for the Mets. Well maybe Quantrill, the Padres 8th best pitching prospect, would be #2 pitching prospect in Queens. Syndergaard has not been an impact player. His career WAR is under 3.0 per season and just 2.3 WAR the past two seasons. That is not an impact player. It’s average. Now maybe if he could stay on the field he could have an impact, but that hasn’t happened yet. 32 starts with 184.1 IP in 2 seasons does not return impact players no matter how much fans like him.
“Cal Quantrill instead of Paddack”
One of these things is not like the others…
Yes, yes it would work. Michel Baez, Logan Allen, Cal Quantrill and Adrian Morejon would all be in the top 5 in the Mets top 30 prospects immediately after acquiring them.
However, the Mets want to win now and none of that crop really helps them do that right now.
So, something that helps them get better in a lot of different positions for 2019 through the Padres,
Mets acquire:
SP Joey Lucchesi, C/1B Austin Allen, CF Manuel Margot and RP Robert Stock.
Padres acquire:
SP Noah Syndergaard.
All four of those players come with extreme control, Margot when healthy could lead off and play CF at a high level for the Mets.
Lucchesi steps right into Syndergaard’s departed spot in the rotation, Lucchesi is a New York boy born and raised so this would be a cool homecoming for him as well. He held his own as a rookie in 2018 and looks like he will have a very solid big league career.
Austin Allen gives NYM a LHH option that can catch and play first. He can spell D’Arnaud and Alonso in some type of time share.
Lastly, Robert Stock- guy who can touch 100 out of the pen. Nasty, and would fit nicely in the 7th inning role or late in games for the Mets.
Maybe one more PTBNL going to Mets. Deal works well for both sides.
I’d even suggest the Mets attach Todd Frazier to Syndergaard to clear some of that salary with Cano’s potentially joining the books.
If the Padres took on Frazier and his money- Lucchesi, Margot, A.Allen and Stock is plenty.
Mets can then go sign one of the available 3B’s, that money freed up from Frazier could be used in negotiations for possibly Machado or Moustakas for NYM.
To attach Frazier it would cost at least a prospect I would think. Not sure if NY would be into that unless they really think they can use the money
Lucchesi should be off limits in a deal for Thor. We’re trying to build out an entire rotation.. Lucchesi had a solid rookie year, Padre fans are excited about this guy. Plust it’s a lateral move that would leave the Padres still looking for more starting pitching.
I know people around here hate Wil Myers, but that dude can rake. He’s a gamer when healthy and can play 1b, a stated need for the Mets. Add in Hedges and the Mets are way ahead already.
I’m not sure what the numbers say, but Mejia more than passed the “eye” test last year. The guy has a cannon for an arm and has a big bat. I hope the Padres figure out a way to hold on to him too, even if it means giving up Hedges
You really have no idea who the owners of the Mets are, do you? They are the cheapest owners in the game. No other team spent less of their revenue on player payroll than the Mutt and Jeff Coupons did. Dogs don’t change their spots. They are not suddenly going to go out and spend more money.
Mets would never do that. Never. Ever. Ever.
Morejon or Baez would be the Mets #1 or #2 prospect. That is how bad the Mets system is. Either would make a good headliner for a deal.
The Mets are not getting much more than that caliber prospect as a headliner from anyone.
Syndergaard has averaged 3.0 WAR, so we are only talking about MLB average performance or a little better when he has been healthy. He has missed 36 starts the last two seasons and has not made it through even a single season without a trip to the DL. Great stuff when healthy, but not healthy enough to get the Mets the ridiculous return they have been asking for.
So take off about half of the guys you mentioned. Syndergaard has not earned that kind of return.
Morejon or Baez or even Logan Allen, Austin Allen, a couple of pen guys that will contribute in 2019 should be enough. Maybe Maton or Wingenter that have closer experience in the minors and mid 90s and above stuff. Then a veteran guy like Stammen or a firethrower like Stock.
Or if the Mets insist on a guy closer to the majors at the top, Mejia to fill the chasm they have at catcher, an MLB ready starter like Nix, and a couple of pen guys not named Yates or a lower level pitching prospect.
Whenever the Mets fans say Syndergaard is a stud, just point out the facts. 3.0 WAR, 123 IP per season, missed more starts than he made the last 2 seasons with only 184.1 IP (that is 92 IP per season).
He is not Chris Sale and he will not get a Sale type return no matter what the fans in Queens think.
Lucchesi was born in Newark CALIFORNIA. He went to Newark Memorial High School in Newark, California and played college baseball at Chabot College in, you guessed it, California, before going to Southeast Missouri State.
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As a Mets fan I wouldn’t mind moving on from Noah as long as the return is solid.
If one of Gore, Tatis, Urias, or Paddack is moved for Thor, Preller needs to go. Degrom, who likely isn’t going to be moved, then MAYBE. But you don’t move TOP TOP tier prospects for a guy who, while a stud when healthy, is rarely ever healthy! I can see hedges/Mejia, morejon, Baez, Quantrill, Logan Allen being the crop to select from. Maybe the Mets don’t think that’s enough, 3 of those names. But if that’s the case…. Padres shouldn’t budge. Mejia or hedges, plus 2 of morejon, Baez, Allen, Quantrill. That is the max offer (aside from some lower end prospects) the Padres should offer
deGrom doesn’t have enough club control left for the Padres and they would be buying high, which smart teams don’t do. Thor makes it just under the wire for me from a club-control standpoint.
Agree that Tatis and Urias shouldn’t be traded for anything because the Padres have no one else at SS and 2B. Padres have other pitching prospects, but Gore, Paddack and Patino are obviously the ones they should try to hold on to.
Agree. Wasn’t sure of degroms control. But yeah, untouchables should be those names you mentioned.
The Padres need to look at Thor like they are going car shopping. Why pay MSRP price when the car is missing a bumper, a tire, and has engine problems. Sure it looks visually appealing, but it’s not reliable.
Except Thor isn’t missing anything. He had one injury that cost him a chunk of the season, otherwise he has been dominant. He has a 2.93 ERA and over 500 Ks in his first 87 games. Guy is a stud and worth every penny. As a Mets fan, I expect only players in return that match what he is, a superstar.
123 IP/season on average over the past 3 years
184.1 IP the past two seasons. 32 starts. 123 IP per season. The guy is an injury plagued question mark with great stuff.
Not a stud. Not an Ace. Not even a #2 on the Mets. Studs, Aces, and #2 starters throw at least close to 200 IP every season.
Come back and spout that nonsense if he eventually makes it through a full season without at least one trip to the DL. Hasn’t happened yet and it sure as heck won’t happen in Queens.
He missed 36 starts the past two seasons. You hit the nail squarely on the head and that is exactly why no team has paid the Mets ridiculous ask for him.
If this Cano/Diaz trade happens, Thor isn’t going anywhere. There would be no point in trading him, cause clearly they are building to win now.
Perhaps the Mets front office might think they can get a few more wins with a better catcher, cf, and pitcher who isn’t injury prone
Crazy thought. Would you do a Nolan Arenado straight up for Thor?
Not sure I understand the rationale for the Mets. They have no chance to contend in 2019. Why trade for a guy that will be a FA after the 2019 season? I’m sure the Rockies would love that trade though.
Syndergaard, Alonso, Lagares and Dunn to LAA for Trout with a contract extension
The Mets keep making absolutely stupid requests for Syndergaard, a guy that has a total of 184 IP the last two seasons, which is why no trade has been made.
BUT they are about to trade for a 35 year old Cano and his $120 million contract.
Is it impossible to get intelligent people to make decisions in Queens?
The Mets are so stupid. If you are going to trade a pitcher, trade Degrom. He is older and at peak value (ignoring time to FA). Pitchers break down fast. I can’t even think of one good FA pitcher signing of over 20 mil per. Build around Noah. Young pitchers are who you build around.
Would a deal centered around Jo Adell get talks going for the Halos? I think so.
The Padres aren’t going to trade for Thor the Mets, understandably, want too much and the Padres don’t want to give up what it would it would take to land Thor. The Padres are a couple years away from potentially being very good. They kind of have the look of the Astros just before there guys started coming into there own. The Pads should just step away and let Thor be dealt elsewhere and see what they have in there farm system they aren’t going to win this year anyway let there young players come up to the bigs and if they are as good as a lot of evaluators think then it will sort itself out. I think they are jumping the gun to get there so called ace.
Thor is a thrower, not a pitcher. He will be hampered with injuries his entire career. Trade him while he has value!
Just when you thought the Mets couldn’t get weirder
Brodie was Thor’s agent does anybody think that he already knows that he has no intention of ever signing an extension with the Mets therefore he thinks it would be in the teams best interest to get the most they can for him now before his volatility injures him to the point it hurts his value?
Thor to Padres for Mejia, Gore, Buddy Reed & 1 lotto prospect
Bruce, d’Arnaud, McNiel, Dunn for Cano, Diaz & $$$$
Sign Ervin Santana
Sign Adam Warren
Replace Gore with Nix or Quantrill and the Padres might think about that trade. The Padres have said Gore is not available in any trade scenarios so even mentioning him is not worth the time to type it.
All the people talking about Thor’s injury history forget that the 2017 injury was muscular, not arm-related, and 2018 was a finger. Neither are the type of injury that are consider chronic or career shortening.
Biceps tendinitis. A lat strain. A ligament injury on the index finger of his throwing hand. All are the types of injuries that recur and that can end a pitcher’s season.
Syndergaard’s performance. 32 starts in 2 years. 36 MISSED starts in 2 years. Just 184.1 IP the last 2 seasons. 123 IP per season and 3.0 WAR on average for his career. Just not a player you can count on to finish the season in the rotation.
How about Myers and Hedges for Thor
Myers makes that package worse, not better.
If they are going to trade Thor, be smart for once. Wait, Wait and Wait even more to let the market pan out.
Interesting, just heard this proposal for Syndergaard from Stephanie Apstein of SI .
Mejia
Margot
Nix or Quantrill
That might be a possibility if the Mets threw in a lottery ticket prospect like Sanchez or Santana.
Hunter Greene (22)and Jonathan India(51) from the Reds for Thor
Can someone please explain to me why the Yankees are tagged in this article?