The Tigers are reportedly willing to listen to offers on breakout lefty Matthew Boyd, but Jason Beck of MLB.com reports that the team has unsurprisingly placed a sky-high asking price on the southpaw. Beck cites the four-player package sent by the Cubs to the White Sox in the Jose Quintana blockbuster in 2017 as a point of comparison in describing Detroit’s early ask. That package was headlined by Eloy Jimenez and top pitching prospect Dylan Cease. If the Tigers are to deal Boyd, it seems they’d need multiple high-end prospects to headline any deal.
Though Boyd has been plagued by the long ball a bit in recent starts, it’s understandable that they’re aiming high. Boyd is controlled all the way through the 2022 season as a Super Two player, and is earning just $2.8MM this season. His 26.0 K-BB% ranks fifth in the Majors, trailing only Gerrit Cole, Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander and Chris Sale. Boyd is tied for the sixth-best overall strikeout percentage in the Majors (30.8 percent) and the tenth-lowest walk rate (4.8 percent). He’s upped his slider usage substantially in recent seasons and has seen marked growth in his swinging-strike rate and his opponents’ chase rate on pitches out of the strike zone.
Strictly comparing Boyd to Quintana, the Chicago lefty was also in his age-28 season at the time of his trade, and had a much more distinguished big league track record. Prior to the 2017 season, Quintana had already logged 951 MLB innings with a 3.41 ERA, while Boyd had only a 5.07 ERA over 460 career frames prior to upping his performance this season. Quintana also brought over three years of control thanks to a prior contract extension, allowing the Cubs to keep him under contract through 2018 and then 2019-2020 on a pair of club options.
Plenty of scouts were on hand for Boyd’s 11-strikeout performance last night, per Beck, with the Cubs and Red Sox among the teams represented. Of course, it’s worth noting that teams constantly have scouts on hand to watch rival players, and Boyd isn’t the only Tiger who could be moved this summer. Nicholas Castellanos and Shane Greene are clear trade candidates for the rebuilding Tigers. Beyond that, teams were surely interested in getting a look at Detroit’s opponent, the Rangers, particularly with Mike Minor on the mound.
Then again, the surprising Rangers may not ultimately act as sellers at all, which may additionally work in the Tigers’ favor as they market Boyd. Texas looks unlikely to deal Minor or righty Lance Lynn right now, taking a pair of potential trade candidates off the market for teams interested in pursuing starting pitchers. The Indians, too, have played better in recent weeks, which may quiet some of the rumblings about the possibility of them moving Trevor Bauer. Broadly speaking, there won’t be too many appealing arms on the market — particularly not ones who are controlled or signed beyond the current season. Even Toronto’s Marcus Stroman, frequently billed as a “controllable” starter, is only under club control through 2020.
Hope fans on here get just as outraged at a story like this as they do when a similarly worded post is attributed to what a player seeks in free agency. Those greedy Tigers!!!
In today’s edition of “Please bring back the downvote”…
Apples to oranges.
The Tigers are taking care of the Tigers. They don’t need to trade anyone else and they don’t care if your team wants s bargain. Again, understand that the Tigers don’t NEED to trade.
The Tigers dont do much of anything.
Maybe I am missing something, but aren’t the Tigers 26-50 this season with one of the bottom 10 farm systems in baseball? They are not going to win this season or next and other than Mize and Manning they have next to nothing coming through the pipeline any time soon. Seems to me getting some prospects is exactly what they need.
Red Sox farm system was stripped bare in pursuit of their last championship so I doubt Sox have the players for even 1 pitcher…
Detroit Tigers Farm System has been rated as Top 10 and Top 11 Farm System in 3 Different Sports Rating Services including MLB pipeline, MLB.,com and Bleacher Report….
So I am thinking that you know very little about baseball..
bleacherreport.com/articles/2812550-bleacher-repor…
mlb.com/news/top-10-farm-systems-in-mlb
You brought Bleacherreport into something..lol They’re writers just like the ones on here and have scouting credentials.
mlb.com, bleacher report, mlb pipeline and much more…all rate the Tigers farm system #10 or #11…
Your baseball ignorance is embarassing to you…
Prospect Digest Tigers #8 in MLB
prospectdigest.com/2019/03/22/ranking-the-farm-sys…
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Could list a dozen similar evaluations from respected baseball evaluators….
Facts don’t work with those who have extreme biases and are not open to new info that they have not considered before..
Huh?? #10 farm, knucklehead.
@SportsFanoooo
Totally in agreement with your point about the Tigers ranking but please, never reference bleacherreport.com as a reputable site. They are a straight joke.
This is pretty much the dumbest comment I have ever seen on this site.
Every team has a responsibility to do what benefits it – and its fanbase – the most.
The Tigers need to maximize the Boyd trade because the offers for Castellanos are going to be far worse the measly threesome they got back for JD Martinez. Greene is the TIgers Closer but more than likely would be a 7th or 8th inning guy by a team trading for him. Nonetheless the prospects for him should have at least one mid range prospect and a lottery ticket. So if they trade all three, they could end up with 2 higher end prospects, 2 mid range prospects and 2 lottery tickets.
Nicholas doesn’t have much trade value at this point
Pretty sure his post says the trade return would be bad. Far worse than what they got for Martinez is about here take this guy for you 28th and 30th best prospects.
Might be wise to package Castellanos with either of the pitchers. He could be useful to have on the bench, from a Tiger perspective, just saving $$ might be good enough.
A threesome is NEVER measly
You’ve never been to Iowa have you?
well, the Cards just lost their closer with TJ, so he’ll be out the next season-and-a-half. the Red Sox are blowing saves all over the place.
so there are options for Greene to be a closer on another team.
Plus Dombrowski and Avila play Call of Duty together every night so conversation is probably already having active on all possible Red Sox Tigers swaps.
Greene and Boyd to Sox for big time yield? Yep, you and I see a lot! And like! A lot!
Red Sox farm system was stripped bare in pursuit of their last championship so I doubt Sox have the players for even 1 pitcher…
No Boyd is a high demand LHSP #1 Starter making only 2.6M with 3 1/2 years of team control left and will demand a very high premium by Tigers to change teams..
Greene is now one of the top closers in MLB with 20+ saves and a very low ERA , relatively low salary and under team control to the end of the 2020 season who will also return a premium package of players and prospects…
Castellanos maybe not as much since his position is oversupplied in the marketplace.
Boyd’s a #1 starter now? Ok….
Boyd is NOT a #1 starter! Just because he is the best pitcher on a horrible team doesn’t mean he is a #1
I see Boyd as a high level #3SP on a stacked playoff rotation. That is real valuable with 3.5 yrs of control.
According to many stats services, Boyd ‘s stats match up well with some of the best starting pitchers in MLB…
Depends on the Team..
On the NYY, Boyd instantly becomes their #1 Starter…
On the Houston Astros, Boyd becomes #3 or #4…
Strike while the iron is hot, Detroit.
Well Yankees aren’t getting him.
27-42, a hit an inning pitched, and an aggregate ERA north of 4…..the Yankees don’t want him….Sonny Gray 2.0….been there, done that already!
Lots of controllable years for a very pedestrian pitcher…..
You’re not doing yourself any favors using W/L record.
Since the beginning of 2018:
9.9 K/9
2.4 BB/9
.224 BAA
Plus obviously better this year and he’s controllable through 2022.
Actually, I’d take a “not quite” angle on that comment. While I agree that I don’t think any of the available options really help the Yankees and overpaying for a rental isn’t Cashman’s style when it comes to guys like Stroman (especially to a division rival), there’s an angle to play here.
The Yankees are in the perfect position to absorb Castellanos’ salary since they aren’t concerned with blowing past the thresholds anymore. By taking on that salary, they could reduce what they give back for Boyd in return for said salary relief and he could provide help at 3B, spell Judge for a night when needed, and even DH when they slot EE at 1B. He’s a lineup upgrade over Gardner as well if you’re comfortable lining Judge up in left once in awhile.
Stanton has been a glass cannon. If he comes back and is healthy, DFA Castellanos and move on. But they could probably get Boyd and only give up one piece they really love with some throw-ins if they are willing to take on the contract of Castellanos.
It wouldn’t be the first time a team absorbed a guy’s salary and designated him for assignment to reduce prospect cost.
Detroit doesn’t need to dump Castellanos’s money.
Plus, he’s a proven hitter that’s not getting the opportunity with no one around him in the Tigers line-up. He’s been on-base 20 games in a row and has hit .272 or better the last three years and even without protection is still at .273 this year. Add in he has 35 extra base hits this year – to think the Tigers would take less for Greene or Boyd by also giving up Castellanos is ridiculous
The notion that not having protection doesn’t work here. If he isn’t “protected” (which has been mostly found out to be a myth anyway), then the consequence is being pitched around to get to lesser hitters. But he isn’t being pitched around – he’s only taken 26 walks in 319 PA’s (less than 1 in 10), and has been intentionally walked only once.
He’s still getting pitches to hit, but he’s still having his worst season in 4 years.
Castellanos can’t play third. That is why Detroit moved him to the outfield.
He can’t play OF either
Tigers have zero incentive to just give away Castellanos
and take less for Boyd….
Tigers payroll has been cut more than 50%..
Tigers are not dumping contracts…
Castellanos is a FA and could just leave at end of the year..
Tigers have every incentive to get little for Castellanos rather than nothing. That’s all they’ll get if they trade so they can take it or not… taking that stance doesn’t move the price up at all.
Boyd is out pitching any Yankee SP. I would take Boyd for the next three years over any Yankee SP besides Severino and that is if Severino comes back to form.
Sonny Gray is a HOF’er compared to Boyd. Tiger fans are dreaming they think will get some bonanza in return for a 5th starter at best.
You are dreaming…Boyd is better than any of those starters the Yankees are rolling out…Boyd is rated up there with Scherzer and Verlander in many statistical categories this year…
Boyd would instantly become the NYY #1 Starter…
But, NYY will low ball Detroit just like they did with Verlander
and it cost the NYY a WS title that the Astros enjoyed instead…
Didn’t NYY also lowball on Gerrit Cole?!
It is a pattern with the NYY…
Load up on hitters and then go cheap on Starters…\
Probably why they have not won a WS for at least 10 years…
It will cost any of the contenders 2 top prospects plus probably 2 mid range prospects.
And how did that trade work cut or the cubs… ouch I said it with Quintana I’ll say with boyd either one of them aren’t aces. If you pay for an ace at least get someone who has done it for at least 3 consecutive seasons boyd could fall of the cloud and you set your team back more than helped it. It’s a good thing their are dumb teams out their that well overpay for him and put him out of the Yankees reach we dont need another project like Sonny gray.
Yeh, according to the White Sox and their posters on this site, Quintana was the second coming of Cy Young….all he needed was a solid team behind him and bingo you had an ACE……according to his numbers, he is far from an ACE! The Yankees don’t need Boyd…he is in all probability Sonny Gray 2.0!
Boyd will not be Sonny Gray 2.0. I am on record in saying that Boyd is just a mediocre pitcher who had 4 good months, April and May last year, and April and May this year. IF he is traded to the Yankees he will give them all of that and maybe more. He is also a top notch individual who will not be bothered by the bright lights of the big city like Gray was.
11 K’s yesterday. Also keep in mind that no matter where he goes, he will have better defense behind him than he has right now.
To sell Boyd to the Yankee fans you have to say he’s a good teammate. He’s a leader in the clubhouse. He’s very professional. Yankee fans love guys like that… Brett Garner.
Every team overvalues their players. That said the White Sox in total did just fine trading Sale, Quintana and Eaton.
I think this is the current problem. Teams see guys like Frazier as a piece of a deal. Yankees fans and front office see him as an established centerpiece. Not going to start the argument of which Frazier is, but this looks like it will be a classic example of teams like the Yankees valuing their prospects much differently then the Detroit front office.
I think if they deal Greene and Boyd and look at the big picture of what they hope to accomplish as a whole by trading the two as the Sox did with Sale/Quintana/Eaton, they will do just fine.
Really? I see them battling to finish at .500. Just like when they had them. I would love to have seen this team with a couple of proven starters, like Sale and Quintana. While there is a sign of life from Moncada this year, that’s a lot to give up for him and some injured pitchers.
They gave up Sale. He wasn’t going to win the White Sox a championship. They now have Moncada and a potential front line starter in Kopech. They did extremely well whether you’d care to admit it or not.
A half season of competent pitching does not return 2 top prospects. Buyer beware.
How does no one edit this Adams guy’s posts? “The Indians, too, have played better in recent weeks, which may…” is a disaster. Just say “also” for heaven’s sake, this “too” between two commas business is a joke.
So you are that guy!
Sad…..
Not as offended as you, arguably a decent change of pace. Million times better than prose of the newer writers.
Stop this crap… not only do we not care about ways the writing could be better, we don’t want to read any more posts about it. At all. Thanks.
As a Yankee fan I would not even want them to make such an offer to the Tigers for this guy. For all anyone knows he could be just a guy having a good year. I could see two top prospects maybe a third but no way should any team go for.
He is a guy having a good year in a year of desperation for starting pitchers….look at his overall numbers and you don’t have to wonder too much….
He’s also in a weak division.
Contending teams could always trade for a pitcher having a bad year.
Breakout years are allowed…It is hard to fake a 250K/40BB year as a fluke..
They are allowed… but you get to trade for the whole history, not just the player he is this year. That lowers his value obviously.
yeah Boyd’s numbers have gotten better each and every year he has pitched. Is he a #1 starter… No but a 2 or 3 for sure, depends on the team he goes to. Guys on here act like he is horrible, lol yeah he is bad 142 K’s in 107 innings and like 20 walks hmm. If the Tigers don’t get 2 high quality prospects he stays a Tiger.
Boyd,Greene,Castellanos for Tampa’s Sanchez,Liberatore and Lowe.
Not touching that if Im Tampa. Just bring up McKay and maybe send a mid level guy or two for a 2 month rental.
Detroit could get a LOT more with three separate trades. That probably wouldn’t even get Boyd by himself.
I don’t think Detroit can get a single prospect as good as any of the above Tampa guys for any of the players listed (unless Lowe is Josh). I don’t think Matt Boyd, Green, and Castellanos can combined together get Sanchez or Liberatore. Castellanos is bad, middle if the road closers don’t go for much on the trade market, and Boyd I think is mostly real, but his track record is so short he won’t get a top 50 prospect in the return, which in turn means the Tigers won’t trade him.
Castellanos is not “bad.” If he was, then why would anyone want him including the Tigers? He’ll fetch a couple of prospects probably around some team’s 15-25 range. Greene should garner a borderline top 100 prospect. Boyd will get a package of three, probably similar to the package he was part of for David Price. No, he is not of the caliber of David Price, but that was just for half a year of Price also. With his control, he should fetch a package of a top 35-60 prospect along with another top 10 team prospect and probably a high ceiling lotto prospect. So with your Rays example, it would probably look something like Sanchez, Nate Lowe, and Alejandro Pie.
Castellanos is bad…. for a major leaguer. He’s a bench hitter or an AL DH, if you can find a contender that needs one, ok, but he may not get traded for lack of a taker, really. I don’t all the way way disagree on the return for him though, 2 low level lottery tickets they like, borderline top 25 for a poor to average farm. Greene, you’re nuts, look at previous year trades for relievers like him. Non-elite guys like Chapman. Upside, low level lotto tickets. Nothing close to top 100. And Boyd, I disagree, he can get you maybe a bank of the top 100 guy, maybe, but without huge upside. I get your price comp because if the lack of control, I actually like the comp, but Adames was way down in the rankings when they made that trade because he was so young, not even top 200 most places. Nowhere close to Sanchez and Lowe, they’re non-comparable to what the Tigers got for price. And I think there’s a real chance Sanchez could be overrated.
Tigers don’t want him, otherwise they’d extend him on the cheap. He’s certainly rosterable, but not going to command any kind of trade value.
Bro, are we talking about the Price for Adames, Drew Smyly and Austin Jackson trade? Tell me I just read this wrong, if I did I apologize.
Boyd’s starts leading up to the deadline are going to make a real big difference in his market. He’s going the wrong way right now and no team is going to come close to that package they’re asking for and have it blow up in their face. If he goes out there and catches fire in his next handful of starts they may get a very nice package. That’s a big if and he really needs to throw some Gems between now and July 31st to make that happen.
Anyone thinking Castellanos is bringing back much more than a very far off lotto ticket or a low upside prospect who is almost here is fooling themselves. The guy isn’t hitting much better than league average and is still a bad defender. And making 10 million bucks on top of all that. Look at the returns Bruce and EE brought back. Castellanos is hitting worse than that level of player.
I think Greene could net a top 10 (and I mean #9 or 10) in an average system. He’s not a sub 1 pitcher or even close to it but there’s reasonable support for him being a low 3’s era guy and that has some value.
Fair take. Reliever trade returns suck unless they’re elite relievers, so I’ll take the under on Greene, but otherwise I agree.
No one wants Castellanos. The Tigers have been trying to trade him for two seasons now and no bites.
No way….
Boyd has been “breaking through” for over a year…
All the experts and baseball shows have run his stats and say his breakout is for real…
Boyd’s pitching stats rate him up there with Verlander and Scherzer this year…And, experts say he is getting even better based on analytics…
Detroit is not going to just give this guy away…
Boyd has 3 `1/2 years team control left and makes 2.6M…
Boyd is a LHSP at peak value…
If a team wants Boyd, then they must pay the high price…
OR Tigers just keep Boyd…no sweat..
Matthew Boyd Deal is being measured against the Chris Archer deal last year:
Archer to the Pirates
To the Rays Austin Meadows, Tyler Glasnow, and Shane Baz,
Tigers will expect a similar return or better for Boyd..
Then Boyd will continue to be a Tiger. We are talking about the Matt Boyd with a 3.72/3.56 ERA/FIP, right? Plus his history… you literally won’t get one player that caliber, much less three.
Apparently a Rays fan and clueless what Boyd, Green and Castellanos bring..As bad as the tigers are they will still draw more fans to the ball park than the Rays and that is truly sad!!
Which Lowe? Nathaniel Lowe or Josh Lowe (more likely)?
Ok Luhnow put something together after watching Valdez and Peacock the last two games…geez!
Hard pass. Rather proven MLB guy like MadBum or Stroman.
Keep trading for older banged up starters and watching the WS at home on TV…
Gohara, Allard, Demeritte
-4-
Boyd, Greene
Waters for Greene
Hahahahaha
You’ll be lucky to get more than two lottery ticket A ball prospects for Greene
Greene will make the All Star Team…
Boyd has had an All Star year also..
Any GM worth is salt does not just give away guys like that
for players another team is just trying to dump..
Any other spare Atlanta prospect you want to give up lol
No thank you
No one should pay that asking price. Guy isn’t even as established as a back of the rotation starter as Quintana. I’m sure this is some of the Tigers brass blown smoke up teams behinds.
Why not start there and see if someone makes an RAJ type move.
Who else are you going to get with that much control in this market? The Tigers have the upper hand here because with the single trade deadline buyers should outnumber sellers this year.
You are not going to get someone with that much team control but you can probably get someone who can help your team more right now and that’s what buyers are looking for more not three years down the road
There is no SP available having a better year than Boyd per advanced numbers. Breakout seasons happen all the time which prove to be legit in the following years.
Agree but that doesn’t mean you overpay.
So a team should massively overpay because the market is weak?
Pay up or watch the World Series at home on your couches, again!
I believe they learned their lesson from not trading Michael Fulmer at his peak value.
I don’t think people outside of Detroit realize how valuable Boyd is moving forward. He can be a top end starter for years to come and he is under team control until after 2022. He might not be an ace but he is a quality number 2 or 3 and is a lefty. I think he could bring back a pretty big haul and I also think the tigers are content keeping him due to the fact he is cheap and under contract
The problem is that the asking is for someone established and he doesn’t have much of a track record.
There’s also the possibility he reverts back to the mid 4 ERA pitcher he’s been the past few years. I don’t know if it will happen, but he still has to prove that hes a middle of the rotation pitcher moving forward.
And there is a strong possibility that the prospect(s) turn out to be busts. Say like Mateo or Jesus Montero or etc etc. People get too big on guys who havent even seen decent pitching/hitting and think that every top 50 prospect is going to be and All Star. Doesnt work like that.
Mateo is kicking butt at AAA as a 24 year old, how on earth is that a bust?
He’s not a bust, but he’s no longer a can’t miss prospect.
True but that’s always the chance with prospects, that’s why you get a couple instead of one for one, to heighten your chances. Boyd doesn’t have the track record, teams want him because the potential is what you suggested but they’ll only have to pay for what he’s done. They’re not going to pay for the potential, they’re trying to get the surplus value.
Numbers in that AAA league are so inflated.
Every Yankee prospect is heralded as the next Hall of Famer…..More of them wash out or have mediocre careers than become stars after traded..
None of the guys Oakland received in the Sonny Grey deal have panned out in Oakland at this point…
Two of them have been constantly injured.
The third guy is ;languishing in the minors..
None are starting in the majors…
He’s not Chris Sale. He’s more like Mark Buerhle with strikeouts. That’s still very valuable.
Sorry…not buying that he’s something he has so far proven he’s not…there is no proof that he’s anything but a back end starter that is having a better year regardless of this silly stuff about being able to control him for several years to come…..and by the way, he’s not that cheap for a #4 or t starter at $2.8 Million!
You are not getting it Rocky. He is on pace for like 250ks and 40 BB. You cannot luck into those numbers and if that is a #4SP it is for the AL all star team then.
For 3 months. You get a Quintana package when he does it for 3 years. And honestly the Cubs overpaid.
Your right about track record Ben but JQ never had advanced stats like Boyd is showing.
So JQ had the track record of a quality #3SP with 3 yrs of control. Boyd does not have the track record but shows more dominant upside that JQ did when he was traded.
It comes down to if you believe in this Matt Boyd. The advance stats support it and my guess scouting reports do as well.
No, it comes down to his market price. And you’re not going to have offers like Q got, it’s that simple. If you can cone away with one really quality prospect, you take it. But I think the top 40-45 are pretty much out if the question.
On the NYY, Boyd would immediately become the #1 Starter.
He is not a top end starter now. 3.72 ERA. 5.90 ERA over the past month.
They know it….Cash is the master of the lowball offer…
That is why NYY did not get Verlander or Gerrit Cole..
That is why NYY sits on their couches watching the WS the last 10+ years…
Who will be wanting to give us that package for our best pitcher who will realistically be a number 3-5 starter on any team who’s buying at the deadline. I understand we want all that we can get for our best starter but ultimately that might mean we get nothing for him
Boyd would be a #…
#2SP on NYY
#3SP on Hou
#2SP on Bos
#2SP on Phi
#2SP on Atl
Etc…..
I like Matt Boyd. He is a great person who does a lot for his team and the community around him. But he is a mediocre pitcher. Comparing him to Quintana is not a good comp. Quintana had a better track record than Boyd and a lot more potential upside.
That said, I do hope Avila has set a high asking price for him. Tigers need impact prospects, and no sense in trading Boyd given he has three more years of control for middling prospects or lottery tickets. Tigers have enough middling prospects. Need at least one really good impact prospect, position player, if they are going to move him. If no one will give us that, then fine, move on. He is worth more to the Tigers then.
Tigerdoc
We are on the same side as a fan but you keep saying over and over that Boyd is a mediocre SP and obviously you are entitled to your opinion but my guess is neutral observers around MLB would disagree with you right now.
Neutral observers lift his worth because of the years of control they’d have over Boyd. They do this with every player who’s not up for free agency for a while.
Boyd has improved. He has been better with his spots and offspeed command. He’s been more consistent on the inside part of the plate against RH. Big leap forward. Still, buyers beware. I’m not sure how he’d fair in Yankee Stadium over Comerica. His numbers are fine in New York but having to pitch in that AL East is a different animal. As a Jays fan, I appreciated how he managed to reach the majors with the stuff he had at the time (2015) he was a Blue Jay.
If (when) the Tigers don’t get what they want for Boyd, Castellanos and Greene, I hope they hold on to them instead of not getting a quality return. These are 3 top options for many clubs. The end of July will be fun.
The Boyd-Castellanos package is actually a nice idea. Phillies could use a rental rh corner of bat along with Boyd.
Phillies could use both. I can see them being buyers at the deadline. The expectations are high this year and there will be many firings if they don’t make the playoffs.
The Tigers think they will get a Quintana type package for Boyed?
When Castellinos was being shopped but a buyer couldn’t be found, I wasn’t sure how much it had to do with Tigers FO being unrealistic in their demands. Now I am more certain it had a LOT to do with it.
I know some fans love to point to the failed rebuilds as evidence that they don’t work and ignore the ones that do but if the Tigers rebuild doesn’t work or takes longer than it should, you are wittnessing why. The trade assets the Tigers have during their rebuild phase don’t go anywhere because the FO is unrealistic in what they expect in return.
Exactly, Boyd is worth a couple top 100 prospects and maybe a couple decent non-prospects/young players who have hit MLB.
In theory, Mateo, Holmes and Fowler should get it done, but that’s way less than what Detroit wants. Other than the Astros, Twins, Rays and Dodgers, every other team would be wrong to budge.
On the other hand Detroit doesn’t really need pitching coming back in the deal. We could fill their holes at third, second and center pretty handily. Fowler, Neuse and Mateo are better than what they’re pissing out there right now.
That said, that’s a lot of infield depth to trade when we’ve spent the last couple of seasons trimming it. Mateo I wouldn’t mind losing, even if it would hurt, but we wouldn’t really have anyone after Chapman if Neuse gets hurt, and Neuse could also easily fill a corner outfield spot or second base.
That would be a horrible return for Detroit
Oakland does not have the pieces for Boyd.
Hmm… the guys aren’t really top prospects anymore. I mean, I sort of agree on the size of the return, I just don’t think they’re that meaningful anymore.
Those
Why move Castellanos if you don’t get back a real prospect that will help down the road? May as well keep him if it doesn’t help the team. if teams only offer a bag of balls, and you don’t need them. don’t accept the deal.
Why would you keep him? Just let him walk? No ones giving up anything of value cuz he kinda sucks, but he could be a DH if anyone needs one, which they really don’t, or a bench/part time bat.
People like you are on these sites are hilarious. You have trashed these guys up and down the comments section, especially Castellanos. The guy is top 3 in the league in doubles. He’s clearly a good baseball player. He may not have good trade value or much demand but doesn’t mean he “kinda sucks”.
No, he kinda sucks. Hence you guys not being able to move him already. I bet you get virtually nothing for him.
You continue to bring up the 2 points of 1) not being able to move him over the last 2 years and 2) probably getting little for him moving forward.
Both things are correct, but it’s all about perception.
If I am trying to sell a 500k house for 1 million…it will not sell. It does not mean the house is not nice, it just means that it’s not worth the asking price. The asking price for NC has been too high, for example the tigers wanted either Verdugo or Ruiz from the dodgers straight up, which makes no sense for the dodgers to do on a 1 year rental and give up 5+ years of verdugo.
The second is yes moving forward they will not get much, again because the tigers have overplayed their hand and have ZERO power in the negotiation. The tigers NEED to get rid of NC to try and rebuild but there are not many teams that NEED another bat, so demand is low and therefore again the tigers have no leverage.
This guy has been bad during his young career. Decent season this year doesn’t mean worth trading smoke for him
They know it….Cash is the master of the lowball offer…
That is why NYY did not get Verlander or Gerrit Cole..
That is why NYY sits on their couches watching the WS the last 10+ years…
The rangers are out of that is the asking price, they will go after cheaper options
A’s could get him if Puk, Barreto, Neuse and Mateo are coming back, and there’s kinda no reason to move that much talent, especially when Puk easily could be better than Boyd very quickly.
Let me know when Puk has a 3.7 era and
on pace for 250ks…might be awhile…or never
What? Boyd could maybe bring the last two, maybe even the last three guys, maybe, but you’re not getting Puk too. I doubt they even would give Barreto
Lol at the people who think Matt Boyd is a flash in the pan pitcher. He is legit. He is getting better. He is in the same mold as Trevor Bauer (analytic, insane work ethic, and smart). The sooner Boyd leaves Detroit the better. He will blossom on any team that promotes any sort of competent advanced development.
People don’t trade on what a certain player has done in the past, at least they shouldn’t. They (the smart GMs) trade, sigh, draft based on what they think they can get out in the future. Matt Boyd is a talent. His past seasons do not tell the story.
Yeah, but they pay in trades for past performance, hoping to get the surplus value. They don’t pay for what he might do.
I think most of Boyd’s breakout is real, but he has 3 months track record, and he’ll be traded based upon that. The Quintana-sized package reference is complete and utter nonsense, Tigers fans, don’t make yourself sound unintelligent and suggest that he’s worth literally even half that. I understand setting the big asking price but Boyd is unlikely to bring a SINGLE top 59 prospect.
Boyd wont be traded then. He’ll continue helping the Tigers get better.
I agree he won’t be traded, and for this very reason. He won’t command a significant return, and if he doesn’t, Detroit won’t move him. Detroit wants the value for who he is now whereas a team acquiring won’t pay for more than his track record, even if they like him.
Simply not true bencole imo
Corbin was a solid SP for a couple years but it took one break out year that the advanced stats backed to get him payed 7/140. Nationals did not pay for his track record they payed for that 2018 pitcher who they believed would continue to be.
Sure… but that’s money and not talent. Nats have enough $ that that money doesn’t really set them back. Talent sets everyone back. I like the kid and think his breakout is real… but you’re not getting top talent for Boyd because of the lack of track record.
Corbin had 4 of his last 6 season above average and carried a 3.90 career ERA and was coming off a 3.15 ERA going into FA.
Boyd has never had a single season when he was average before 2019. He has a career 4.82 ERA and it was 5.07 coming into 2019. The past month Boyd has put up a 5.90 ERA and his regression has been marked.
That is not comparing apples to apples. Boyd would not get Corbin money if he was a FA and he is not worth much in trade.
And no, Corbin was very good early on, Tommy John is what set him back.
Yes exactly Koamalu, and Corbin was dominant in 2013, his first full season.
Wrong!
Boyd is worth at least 2 top prospects and another 2 also
OR no deal…
Then you keep talking to a phone that’s not ringing. Look I’m a Cubs fan. We’re not in that market and I’m not being a homer. I would hang onto him honestly, because you may not get a top 75 guy for him at all.
Have you watched him lately? He has a 5.90 ERA the past month and his 3.72 ERA is not exactly top notch. He has never been even average before this year and at his current pace of regression in 2019 he will be right back to below average by the end of the season.
Hopefully Texas plays it smart. You don’t have to trade Minor but if you get an offer that wows you, you’ve got to trade him. His value is the highest it will ever be and you could get organization changing prospects for him.
I have a Boyd trade proposal. Boyd to Yankees for Frazier,Estrada,Wade
Frazier, Estrada and Wade? Wow, Toledo would be pretty good after that trade.
3 for 1 regardless of who they are…no thanks from the Yankees!
He can take his career (as short as it is) 4+ ERA, a hit an inning, and his propensity for fly balls with many leaving the yard, and find another team that takes the bait!
Please
NYY would do that trade in a second while peeing themselves from excitement.
No thank you from the Detroit side. There is one MLB player coming back and we have enough bad D players with hitting potential
Yeah Yankees definitely do that trade.
Sorry, don’t think the Yankees would “pee themselves” for Boyd….its in the papers today that Hal is concerned about giving up too much minor league talent for a pitcher with questionable stats and ability to IMPACT down the stretch and in years to come regardless fo who”s included by the Yankees.
You Detroit boys need to have a little access to the NY press before making comments like you have….Boyd is Sonny Gray 2.0 potentially and that timing is too fresh in the Yankees minds to take that chance. Sorry, sell you guy somewhere else!
I’m a Cubs fan. I think the Yanks do that trade just like that. The market values Frazier as an average everyday OF/DH, not as a top prospect anymore. You read the NY press so you may think he’s worth more to teams.
Try Frazier Florial, Abreu, Deivi Garcia etc…
You might be able to get Abreu straight up with a throw in… you can’t probably get one if the others straight up. Really dude, and my team is not in on him.
Chris Archer to the Pirates return would be the least the Tigers would take for Boyd
They don’t have to trade any of these guys. If Boyd has turned a corner, he will fit nicely into the rotation with Mize and Manning. If not, no biggie. Greene is a solid reliever. He’s had good seasons before, so he has a track record. Keep him. Nick is doing well in right. If no one wants him, heck, he fill a hole. Look at his numbers against lefties… Very solid.
Agree, if Boyd is that solid why would Detroit trade such a valuable commodity when that commodity is in such demand across the league.
Everything starts with pitching…..offense and defense can be built around pitching and pitching more than other facets of the game can get you to the playoffs!
Tigers minors is loaded with young pitching like the Braves…
For the right deal involving postion players, Tigers might bite.
But, they don’t have to trade.
Tigers can ride Boyd all the way to 2021 or 2022 and trade h im anytime before that time if the right deal comes along..
Why can’t Avila just keep his big mouth shut, just once? Let’s see if we can turn all potential trade partners off before we get even one offer.
This a report most likely coming from leaked info of interested teams not Avila. They are asking about Boyd and Avila is giving them the cost to get him then it comes out what the asking price is and you blame Avila??
This is typical NYY Front Office leakers trying to drive the price down in the press and in the Media outlets…
How did that work out for NYY for Verlander and Gerrit Cole?!
Are they still wearing pin stripes?!
I thought not…
They can set any price they want, but Boyd has exactly one season that he is even average on the mound and that season is 2019. He has a 3.72 ERA now and has a 5.90 ERA the past month. He is regressing fast and if they don’t trade him soon they will be stuck with him.
The Tigers are not going to get much for Boyd. If they got more than a couple of prospects outside of the Top 100 and more than likely outside of the top 10 of whatever team they trade with then I will be very surprised. But then, a sucker is born everyday.
Boyd is a Top of the Rotation Starter…
In April in a Yankee Stadium start
(a known hitters park) Boyd struck out 13 Yankees hitters.
Boyd has pitched better than any Yankees starter this year…
For the Yankees to land Boyd, Players like OF Frazier, OF Florial, P Deivi Garcia, P Clark Schmidt, P Albert Abreu must be on the table or no cigar… It will probably take at least 4 young players and prospects to land Boyd…maybe more depending on the quality…
Lowball offers won’t get Boyd…
Other teams are also interested like the Brewers, Astros, Cardinals etc….
Lol
Here is Matthew Boyd striking out 13 Yankees at Yankee stadium this year..
mlb.com/tigers/news/matthew-boyd-strikes-out-caree…
Braves could send Christian Pache, Kolby Allard, Bryce Wilson and Drew Lugbar to Detroit for Boyd and Greene.
Boyd and Greene would be a a big upgrade for many teams…
Not familiar with the players you propose…
It would probably take 6 young players / prospects of very high quality and potential to land both Boyd and Greene..
Boyd and Greene would be complete studs in NL
like former Tiger Max Scherzer…
Lol you’re crazy. You’re going to be disappointed if they move him, which I doubt they will. Because they’re not going to get a top 50 prospect for him.
They will get at least 2 top 50 prospects for Boyd plus a few more top 30 prospects off another teams prospect list…
Austin Riley could be of interest to the Tigers as part of any larger deal..
They know it….Cash is the master of the lowball offer…
That is why NYY did not get Verlander or Gerrit Cole..
That is why NYY sits on their couches watching the WS the last 10+ years…