Here’s the latest from Progressive Field…
- While an extra year of control is generally considered as a boon to a player’s trade value, this may not necessarily be the case for Trevor Bauer, as Ken Rosenthal explains in his latest video report for FOX Sports. Bauer has one year of arbitration eligibility remaining in 2020, though Rosenthal notes that some potential trade partners could be wary of acquiring Bauer due to the high price tag he’ll earn next season. After defeating Cleveland in an arb hearing in February, Bauer collected a $13MM salary for 2019, and his aggressiveness in seeking out maximum value on an annual basis makes it likely he’ll go to yet another hearing for another big salary next winter. This could push Bauer’s potential earnings into the $20MM range, which is too costly for some clubs. There is some comparison between Bauer’s situation and David Price’s situation in 2014, Rosenthal notes, as the Rays’ ability to get a big trade haul for the ace lefty was somewhat limited by the big payday awaiting Price via arbitration in the 2014-15 offseason. Of course, with the Indians in the playoff hunt, it remains to be seen if the Tribe will trade Bauer whatsoever, or potentially wait until the offseason to further trades (though there’s already a lot of speculation about Bauer being on the move this July).
- Dan Otero will begin a minor league rehab assignment, manager Terry Francona told MLB.com’s Mandy Bell and other reporters. The righty hasn’t pitched since May 30 due to right shoulder inflammation, and Otero’s time on the injured list was extended due to a setback in his recovery process. The ground-ball specialist had a 54.9% grounder rate, 3.33 K/BB rate, 3.8 K/9, and 4.56 ERA over his first 23 2/3 innings for Cleveland this season, with that ERA largely inflated by five earned runs over his last 2 2/3 frames of work prior to his IL stint.
- Francona also discussed Danny Salazar’s rehab, as the right-hander continues to make his way back to a big league mound for the first time since October 2017. Salazar has been working as a starter during his rehab outings, though Francona said it’s too soon to say whether Salazar will continue in the rotation should he return to the Tribe’s MLB roster. “I don’t know how you can forecast a month down the road,” Francona said. “We might need three starters by then….There’s a lot of things we need to find out. Information that we don’t have yet.” Keeping Salazar on a regular five-day schedule as a starter could be beneficial to his bothersome shoulder, though a similar argument could be made that limited bullpen innings would be preferable to a starter’s workload.
Bauer to Cardinals. Wild Guess.
I was thinking Milwaukee
Yeah, Milwaukee makes way more sense then the Cards.
Bauer seeing a pay raise of 7m would be insane. Hes a 4 who had one elite year.
Are you kidding? He’s obviously much better than a number 4. He’s been good for a few years now, and at minimum is a 2, and a 1 on most teams.
Bauer has one good season under his belt. I’d eat my shoe if I acquired him and he won 20 million in arbitration.
Yeah but his spin rate and tools have always been very high . The 1 good year is seen as a breakout .plus he logs a decent amount of innings which is rare these days. Ny guess is he will prob get 17 in arbitration
Charlie Chaplin eats a boot in a movie. They made it out of licorice for the scene!
Ooh, licorice! Way better than that fake Twizzler garbage.
Put some hot sauce on that shoe!
or add some bacon….
So so so many 130 pitches per game that’s gonna have some sort of affect on your arm at some point
Before the agents put a 100 pitch count on players they routinely threw 150 pitches now that we are trading ball players around the 100 pitch area we are causing muscle memory issues and the increase in TJ surgery has quadrupled
So, you’re saying Dr. James Andrews told the agents to ask for a pitch limit, which in turn quadrupled his business. Diabolical! If only he’d use his powers for good.
It’s not the amount of pitches that’s the real issue, it’s the type of pitches thrown and the circumstances of the pitches thrown. What’s worse on an arm, 100 in 9 or 100 in 4? It’s taking too many pitches now-a-days for guys to get through an inning. Starters are going 4-6 innings throwing the same amount of pitches that it used to take pitchers to get through 7/8 innings. You’ve got more pitches an inning and more stressful pitches. More pitchers are using pitches that are more stressful on the arm as well (sliders, splitters, etc.).
Bauer has already allowed more runs this year than he did all of last season and allowed more than twice as many home runs. But, at least his strikeout rate is down, his walk rate is up and he leads the league in hitting batters. His agent may advise against going to hearing this offseason.
Sorry, what am I missing? Teams are afraid he’ll cost too much next year so they won’t acquire him? If they only want him for this year, then they can trade him or non-tender him after the season, right?
Yes. The most likely scenario is that if the arb award is too great for the acquiring team they’ll trade him in the spring for whatever they can get. Non-tendering him produces zero return. Nobody is gonna want that.
I think it is official. Padres fans have passed Yankee fans as most clueless idiots. If Trevor is so horrible, why does everyone’s fans think they should get him? He eats up innings, keeps you in ball games and helps the rest of the staff. He will will be close to 200 innings and strikeouts….last padre or yankee to do that? Will one do it this year? Didn’t think so
Teams/fans have become so enamored with prospect rankings that they fail to recognize the value of a player who is actually playing and performing well in the Majors.
Yeah. I see that all the time on the Yankees blogs. Frazier over gardner blah blah blah. They seem to forget gardner has logged almost A 40 WAR for his career
Not winning a world series in such a long time has made you bitter I see .
However I think the anti bauer people dislike him because bauer is all about MAGA
I’m not bitter, not like I would get a ring out of it if they won. And who cares what someone’s politics are? Thought this country was built so people could have different beliefs….guess that’s only if they agree with everyone else
You seem bitter. Perception > reality . Latter comment not directed toward you old man
You’re 100% correct about why they dislike Bauer. But he has brought it upon himself.
James Shields in 2015 pitched 202 IP and had 220ks.. not too long ago.
Also, Luis Severino last two years pitched 190+ and 200+ ks.
It’s not as uncommon as you’d think.
Oh cool you named 2 guys. How many pitchers logged 200 innings last year ? Offhand I think it was about 7.
20 years ago around 40 to.50 guys did it .
So let’s see 7 pitchers out of roughly 150 starting pitchers throw 200 innings. That’s about 5.5%
Ywah that’s pretty uncommon
It was 13.
Just checked . In 2018 there were 22 starters that logged more than 190 innings last season
In fact only 56 threw the required 162 innings pitched to qualify for the era title
13 of those logged 200 or more innings
So 13 at 200 or more or 22 out of 190 and above my point remains valid . It’s rare and uncommon to find a starting pitcher go deep into games
Because you named a pitcher from 2015 and a pitcher from last season that logged a good amount of innings doesn’t mean it’s a common occurrence..these are what are called outliers
Who cares if Shields did it a few
Years ago? Eating 200 innings is WAY WAY more uncommon then it use to be fairly recently. You’re argument with only
2 examples is silly, and proves absolutely nothing.
Show Me Your Tatis
And yet, you are the only person on this thread who even mentioned the Padres.
Getting Carrasco, Kluber and Salazar back by August is like getting three guys in a trade and not giving up anyone…if you get my drift…
Yea, they need Ramirez to continue his hitting and get back to his old self. Also need to get a bat and send Bradley down, they can’t afford to have him trying to find his swing in the middle of the lineup in the majors and keep K-ing on junk balls.
Wahoo What a Finish!
The Indians need to sell off and build back up for 2020. Trade Hand and Bauer for an embarrassment of riches and put together a more formidable lineup for 2020. Otherwise, we are left with the same misfits that have plagued us in 2019.
Uh yeah, these “misfits” are somehow 11 game over .500 despite a crippled pitching staff, Lindor was hurt, Kipnis continues to struggle, Ramirez an MVP candidate has bombed and FA attempts at veteran bats failed miserably. I hope the patchwork and misfits keep on keeping on …
Nah man, I agree with Wahoo. Hell, I think they should blow everything up and cut payroll. Do what teams like the rays and athletics are doing. If they are not going to sign Lindor then screw it. Same thing happened with CC and Cliff Lee. Im tired of it. They should just load up the farm and see if they can compete every once in a while. Better than half assing it like this season.
Could imagine if they did this? The fans that scream about Dolan being cheap would probably spontaneously combust with anger
Yeah. I wish my fellow tribe fans looked at it more realistically though. Cleveland’s a football town and our market sucks.
Of course the extra year is a boon, as the receiving team could always trade him for value in the offseason if they don’t like him at that price (someone else will since he’s good and it’s not all that much.) Obviously it’s not as big of a plus as an extra year at cheap would be, but that’s obvious, isn’t it?
If it were up to me I’d trade Bauer today for a MLB ready outfielder and a top end prospect. If anything, Bauer will provide any playoff team with a pitcher that will keep your team in most games and save wear and tear on a team’s relief corps. Bauer to the Yankees for Clint Frazier would be a great start.
Im good on frazier.
I am not good with Frazier. Poor defense and other concerns would have my looking elsewhere.
Although he can hit, he is not a good fielder. Yankees have very limited positional players that are ready. Most of their talent is on their pitching and I would not do a one for one swap. If they trade Bauer, they should look at the Astros, or a National League team such as the Brewers.
I am not sure the Brewers have the pieces that fit the Indians needs.
No way they help the Astros, a team they have to get through.
If the estimate increase in Bauer’s 2020 salary is correct ($20mil.) Dolan may not want to keep him and two years of Bauer’s ability to pitch in the playoffs would bring more in return. As we know only a few teams might be willing to take on Bauer’s contract and the Yankees being one of them. Personally, I’d take Frazier over any OF currently on the Tribe’s roster. He has defensive short comings but every OF on the Tribe’s roster has short comings and none can hit like Frazier.
Trade Bauer for a power bat and a prospect. Jason Kipnis batting cleanup isn’t cutting it
Trevor Bauer is a terrific competitor….He is outspoken, but frequently correct.
He trains to do his best and studies his craft. He would be an asset on any contending team. Additionally, his best days are ahead of him. I wish him the best though I realize with the Indians his days may be numbered because of small market payroll constraints. Too bad MLB does not have revenue sharing so that all teams could pay more for their best players. It could be accomplished during the next labor negotiations if the smaller market teams voted for it. Why should the Red Sox and Yankees spend more than your team because of high TV contracts.
I agree with you but you have a large amount of small market owners that are happy with status quo. They own a major league team but they keep their payroll low enough that with the financial help they receive from the big spenders, they actually make a profit each and every year. They have no desire to win but just earn a profit.
With this approach ( revenue sharing ) team owners could make even more money. Baseball could even have a salary cap for leveling the field of competitors and with more teams having a chance to win and higher attendance. There should also be a league minimum salary that all teams must spend….better for the average players. The minimum should be adjusted up yearly similar to what the NFL does.