While their division rivals in Washington D.C. wrap up a 2019 World Series parade, the Mets are dealing with a few open questions in regard to the 2020 coaching staff of Carlos Beltran. The newly minted manager is expected to have input in the reshaping of the staff, and former Met skipper Terry Collins has “been discussed” for the team’s bench coach role, according to a piece from Mike Puma of the New York Post (link).
Collins and Beltran spoke before one of the latter’s managerial interviews this postseason, with the two maintaining a “tight” relationship after overlapping in the New York dugout back in 2011, according to Anthony Dicomo of MLB.com (link); DiComo emphasizes that the team has not yet reached out to Collins about the bench coach post. As the reporter notes, Collins has been under club payroll in recent years as a special assistant.
There may also be change afoot at the hitting coach position. Chili Davis earned “strong reviews” from club officials last season for his work in guiding a young offense, but the veteran coach is searching for a multi-year deal after his contract expired on Friday, according to Puma.
Along the baselines, Gary DiSarcina is characterized in Puma’s piece as “likely” to return, although it is uncertain if it will be in the third base coach role he held last year. First base coach Glenn Sherlock was given permission last month to seek other jobs and is not likely to be a member of Beltran’s staff next year.
If I were a met fan, I would want a bench coach w/ experience to augment Beltran
They probably will do that and it makes sense, but it really doesn’t mean much. People thought Callaway would improve with Riggleman there, and Callaway still made the same mistakes before Riggs.
Which is probably why Callaway is no longer there. Beltran may be open to feedback. Especially someone who coached him.
Do we know that Callaway was not open or dismissive towards Riggleman?
He was not.
Callaway and Riggleman were in the dugout talking constantly during games.
In today’s environment, media narratives trump truth.
“Media narratives TRUMP truth.” Literally.
MAga
It appears the opposite was true
Yawn
If Collins is the bench coach, much of my earlier displeasure goes away. I’d still rather have Girardi or even Dusty Baker but Collins fits the bill in my view. My concern though is the way the batters hit last year, why not invest and give a Davis at least two years unless the team feels it was more the ball and their success won’t be duplicated. It just seems another example of money getting in the way of the team’s success.
Maybe Davis wants 3 years
Bench coach is not a co-manager so why would that change your opinion on Beltran being hired?
Why not invest Dewey?
BECAUSE:
-Wilpons hired Beltran because he was on a CHEAP contract.
-Wilpons won’t cough up the money and years for Chilli to renew.
-Wilpons are cheap enough to force “TC” as bench coach because he’s been in the payroll doing little more than play cards with Fred. Same salary: New Title.
Plus Fred trusts “TC” so he can bypass Beltran and Super Salesman and dig stuff up if he is unhappy.
I Think Van is starting to make The Wilpons win the need to open the checkbook a lot more. I one thing I wish would be that they sell the Mets to break the ownership cruse.
But I think between Carlo & a pitching coach like Pedro Martinez or Tommy Glavin could help them with John Franco as a bullpen coach. they can help all the pitchers
In today’s game the manager is exactly what his title implies
The print outs give him info concerning every situation.
Next to no bunting,hit and run,steals
Everything is percentage oriented
His main job is in keeping the players together
Almost every decision is generated from the analytics print outs
Last year when Brodie took over the Mets had an analytic debt consisting of three people while in 2018 the Yankees had 103 people in their’s
Brodie is bringing the Met’s into the modern world of baseball
When fans critique the managers decisions they are actually yelling at a bunch of computers
@parkers;
Made the same point the other day, and was attacked.
Managers come in at 12-12:30 for meetings on the gameplan for a 7:30 game. Analytics are used heavily in determining not just which position players to start, but which will be used in what situation as the game goes on. Intense time is spent determining the pitching – based on recent past history the number of pitches the starter will be allowed is determined. Then there is a plan of which relief pitchers will be used in which situation, and in turn how many pitches each will be allowed – based on their recent workload and the teams short-term schedule ahead (i.e. to assure that there will be arms for the next 2-4 games, if not, who will be called up from the high minors). In turn, the hitting coach gives the batters info on that days opposing pitcher; the defenders instructions on where to play each opposing hitter; and a plan on how to pitch opposing teams hitters to the catchers and pitchers.
The idea that managers are standing there making off the wall decisions is just silly. I believe you recommended a book on how analytics are used by current MLB teams. I ordered it.
It’s just like the silly argument under the last article on the Astros, where people spoke about what AJ Hinch did or didn’t do with Greike and relievers in the 7th WS game. Talking about nothing relevant. Hinch gave the media the plan that was approved before the game. He simply followed it. For those that watch Astros games (and that of most other teams), Hinch and his coaches are in the dugout constantly looking at printouts and making notations. They’re following the plan that their teams decision makers agreed to hours before the game started.
A billion dollar business. Nothing is left to chance. Beltran will be given training wheels and a short leash regarding game strategy in his first year or two. He and others will learn to work together. Note how bad Boone and Martinez were in 2018, and how well they did in 2019. It came from working with others in planning.
Great point Parker’s; except that Cheap Wilpons are not buying mew computers so the “state of the art analytics team is using Commodore 164 computers.
It could be worst… I mean they could have a former agent as the gm and Beltrán as the manager
I thought BVW had the savviest approach to the draft since the Braves’ ‘16 methodology taking /Anderson/Wentz/Muller this year. Not only did they get Allan, they got him at a fraction of his reported price tag.
Agree. I don’t get the backlash on bvw. I get the cano trade was controversial. But prospects are prospects, they are an unknown. And Diaz was the main piece of the trade and he ducked. That’s not bvw fault. Cano was serviceable at a big price yes, but that price was part of a one year salary offset with the guys the Mets got rid of and also Diaz is relatively cheap so that helps. Other than that, what did he do bad? I don’t get it. Lowrie who knows what the plan was for him, but he was picked up because dom smith and Alonso were unknowns. As much as nobody saw alonso going nuts, nobody saw lowrie missing the year and Diaz sucking. But hey, what do I know. Gms need more than one year to see if they did well or not. It’s like presidents. U can’t say one is the best when policies take years to show their impacts. Same as gm. If Diaz kills it next year and cano is decent and the prospects are terrible and don’t ever produce in the next three years than it isn’t a big deal. What we say makes no difference so let the man do his job and see what happens in the future.
Diaz won’t kill it and Cano is on a deep slide. The sooner you get out of denial the more you will enjoy the mediocrity at $30 million per season. And it will continue to get progressively WORSE. He can’t field balls up the middle nor turn the right DP because he doesn’t like defense.
You have no choice but to play it out. Wilpons have a bad taste for letting people go mid contract, and Mr. Handsome Smiles still talks a big game.
BTW-The team came together despite him. The one that he created had two second basemen blocking talent and a first baseman blocking their best player in the
Minors. Will he listen to his staff? Probably not because he’s a “I’ve got a great idea” kind of boss.
Letting Davis get away would be a big mistake.
Come back Terry!!
Pay Chili and bring him back, for heaven sakes! The hitters obviously responded to whatever Chili was feeding them. Don’t mess with that success…..
Bring back Chili!
Having Collins in the dugout, or someone with similar experience, is a must. Let Beltran be the clubhouse business manager, but get a guy next to him that has the practical in game management knowledge to avoid rookie mistakes. I don’t care if Beltran band picks one of his former managers or coaches, but have to have someone whose nose isn’t buried in an analytic binder all game.
And if the Mets let Davis walk, they don’t deserve to win this division. He did a fantastic job keeping all the young players from prolonged slumps and every one of them seemed to have a plan when they went up there. They did a great job adjusting as the game went on and really seemed prepared in all situations.
Hey Jim-if “TC” is the “in game” manager, the pitching staff will either have defections of DL stints for guys blowing their shoulders and elbows out.
Remember that “the man that singlehandedly destroyed Johan Santana’s come back”, also lead the Sherman supported destruction of
Matt Harvey. Google the records from 2015-2017. He’s a know it all wise guy that wants players to believe that they can push past fatigue and stress with a “atta boy”’effort.
bring back TC.
The internal tension going on inside the baseball industry parallels what is occurring in many retail businesses. The Old brick and mortars of the past verses the computer generated ones of today.
The customer can drive to a local outlet, look around at the supplies available, try on a specific item, question a sales person for advise. Purchase and take it home.
That same customer can click onto a computer site, read the listed info about the same item, order it and have it delivered in a day.
Old school baseball lifers who have a life time of experience at a high level and have spent their recent years as scouts and evaluators verses highly skilled computer technicians who have at their finger tips a tremendous amount of technical and precise information.
These print outs provide specific knowledge about every aspect of the game. Previously the manager would use his visual observation combined with his past experience to be the basis for his decisions.
The differences are illustrated by instant replays. Prior to this, umpires made a call, disagreeing manager would argue, sometimes with a lot of theater.Now the game is stopped and the replay officials go over the play till they can make a call.
Baseball fans can argue over which is more enjoyable a way to do it, but in reality the game is moving rapidly toward a high tech production.
I have always believed that the only strategy that is absolutely correct is that which works. The game is moving towards a production that emphasizes the individuals performance. It removes many of the strategies that a fan could critique.
Most of the decisions made today are almost universally accepted because all teams are moving toward the application of the same print out knowledge.
Rather then constantly critiquing the manager’s choices we are really left with observing the individual events and performance of said players. In one sense this is good because it will tend to keep the emphasis on how really great these players are, in a sport that recognizes greatness when you fail 70 percent of the time.
The problem with numbers is that they start from Zero at some point. Every kid who can throw 88 in high school will not necessarily be able to control his put h when he goes to throw 92 in college. Every batter will bot have faced every oticher
Pitcher. And all the computer geeks who look at launch angle and defensive shifts and draft status MISSED measuring the heart of a player like Jeff McNeil who was in NO ONE’s radar until he showed what heart and guts and baseball sense means to the game. Stuff that in your computer and smoke it. Same trajectory as Wade Boggs thru his time in the minors. HOF. Dedicated ballplayer. Stuff you cant measure but should never overlook.
Wade never got the respect until he proved himself year after year. He was the HOF i referred to. Not McNeil. At least, not at this time.
Hey Parker’s-your post has influenced the Wilpons to invest in technology. Mets #1 Shill, JO-EL Sherman contacted the old man and he was so moved that he instructed Brody to order used Apple II computers to replace the Commodores.
Fred was quoted tonight as saying “They are installing dial up jacks in Citifield on Monday to be ready”.
My Ideal Coaches for the Mets
Hitting Coach: Chili Davis
Pitching Coach: Al Leiter
Bench Coach: Mike Scioscia
First Base Coach: Mike Piazza
Third Base Coach: David Cone
Bullpen Coach: John Franco
Great choice of David Cone for 3B coach. He was such an amazing base runner who always knew when to go from 1st to 3rd and also when to tag up and score. That happened 7 times in Ho’s career.
I could see Leiter and Franco joining the staff for the coaching jobs you mentioned.
I agree on most of your list since Carlo said you want to get former Teammates
Bench Coach: Jerry Narron, or Bruce Bochy
Pitcher Coach: Pedro Martinez or Tom Glavin
Bullpen Coach: John Franco or Al Leiter
First Base Coach: Mike Piazza
Third Base Coach: Luis Rojas
Hitting Coach: Chili Davis
Beltran’s Coaching Staff Prediction:
-Sandy Alomar, Jr (Bench Coach; Don’t think Collins excepts offer)
-Edgardo Alfonzo (3rd Base Coach; ultimately think he’s offered a spot and accepts)
-Gary Disarcina (1st Base Coach; moved from 3rd)
-Ray Searage (Pitching Coach; Great resume)
– Chili Davis (Hitting Coach; resigned)
– Ricky Bones (Bullpen Coach; resigned, long history w/ Mets)
-Luis Rojas (Quality Ctrl Coach)
*Glenn Sherlock let go
*Phil Regan reassigned in organization