Dec. 13: There’s mutual interest between Bumgarner and the Dodgers, Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area reports. The Dodgers took some time at this week’s Winter Meetings to sit down with Bumgarner’s agents.
Dec. 10: After missing on top pitching target Gerrit Cole, the Dodgers will pursue southpaw Madison Bumgarner, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter). Whether or not a deal gets done, this represents quite the turn of events for the long-time Giants ace.
MadBum is permanently etched into the history of the San Francisco organization after helping lead the team to three World Series titles — including one in which he more or less personally willed the club to victory. The intra-state rivalry is intense no matter the participants, but Bumgarner was more than your average player in the frequent frays between the teams.
The news is also interesting because of what it says about the Dodgers’ intentions this winter. The club isn’t exactly desperate for rotation pieces but obviously feels it’s an area to add. President of baseball operations Andrew Friedman is said to be looking at about a dozen key targets, as Pedro Moura of The Athletic reported today (subscription link). It seems that bolstering the starting staff is a significant priority.
Bumgarner’s days as a true front-line starter may be over, evidenced in part by the matching 3.90 ERA/3.90 FIP he posted across an impressive 207 2/3 innings in 2019, but he wouldn’t have to be an ace in Los Angeles. The club already has two front-end types in Walker Buehler and Clayton Kershaw, after all, with Kenta Maeda, Julio Urias, Tony Gonsolin and Dustin May among potential complementary pieces. However, the Dodgers are facing an especially notable departure in free agency in the form of lefty Hyun-Jin Ryu.
Now that Cole, Stephen Strasburg and Zack Wheeler are no longer free agents, Bumgarner and Ryu look like the top two starters on the market. Bumgarner has age and durability advantages over the soon-to-be 33-year-old Ryu, which may earn the former the larger contract, though the latter has been the better pitcher on a per-inning basis of late. The Dodgers do have interest in re-signing Ryu, but it seems their focus is now on Bumgarner, who has a chance to crack the $100MM mark on his upcoming deal.
Ummmm……and the world ends.
Let me say this. Bumgarner is going to be the steal out of all these pitchers. Everyone is not paying attention to hes coming off a injury not more than 2 years ago. He pitched over 200 innings again. He had an era under 4. This guy has another 6 great years at least. How little we forget how clutch and a workhorse here is. He will be the move that people look back and wish they had. I see the cardinals stealing him.
Well said
Personally I liked David Price in the National league 34 to 36 years old based on the money we just saw come off the board for strasburg and Gerrit Cole Price might have a cy young year in there in the NL… Mark my words
His era outside of SF last year was 5.29
Cardinals would be perfect fit! Low key city
His home/away splits aren’t great and there are a lot of miles on that arm. Plus his name alone is going to command a huge deal. I don’t see a “steal” at all, but I could be wrong.
Well said but not Cardinals, I don’t see cardinals in top 2 in the central division. I see Cardinals more a 500 team, as every team will be playing good baseball except Pirates.
If the Dodgers get in the playoffs and have Bumgarner, things could look better for them. A player who has shown to do well in playoff games.
Could he be there savior?
Beat LA!
Will be cool to see the good guy finally give-in and join the villains
This red neck is the good guy?
not buying the Bum rush…
I agree, potentially worst day in history for Dodgers fans. Bad person, past his prime player all in one,
Worst person ever, right? Smh
Hey Basebal, who beat the L out of you?
Btw, Kershaw and Bum are very good friends. You think Kershaw hangs with bad people?
I don’t like this at all. Past Giants that became Dodgers and sucked in my lifetime: Jason Schmidt, Juan Uribe, Sergio Romo, Jeff Kent, Mark Sweeney. Only positive memory I have is of Brett Butler as our leadoff hitter…
And Brian F’n Wilson!
The Beach Boys are old news
Brian Wilson should start playing basketball and team up with Kevin Love.
Tennis to team with Kevin Love.
Jeff Kent sucked? Wrong.
Uribe was terrific for the second half of that contract.
Jeff Kent was balling even at 40
True, but his teammates hated every ounce of him.
So did the giants
Jeff Kent was amazing as a Dodger. Uribe started bad put finished strong. But the rest were a steaming pile of doo doo. Schmidt, Romo, Brian Wilson, Velez,
You’re too young to remember – the Dodgers actually signed Juan Marichal only a few seasons after he hit Dodger John Roseburo in the head wit a bat! Not only that, but after they signed him he was horrible. Karma baby!
Juan M.never made it out of spring training and because of the way us Dodgers fans were treating him he asked for his release way before season started
You’re wrong. My dad attending the game that Marichal pitched for the Dodgers. He was horrible.
Marichal started two regular season games for LA in 1975. He gave up 9 earned runs in 6 innings. I called the game. I muttered curse words like golly and darn.
This might be the best post ever
For real. I’m on the app and wondering how I can upvote a comment lol
So awesome
Jeff Kent? No…
Kent should and will be in the HOF.
Eugenio Velez comes to mind also
Ah yeah, he of the all-time record 0-for-47 stretch.
Brian Wilson was great the first year, awful the second. Jeff Kent is a garbage person, but was very, very good on the field, even for the Dodgers. Juan Uribe wasn’t very good for the first few years, but he figured it out (and hit the NLDS-winning HR against Atlanta).
Except when he was one of two guys getting thrown out at home on the same play in the playoffs.
Friedman is so out of touch with the fans. Most Dodger fans are disgusted with Snot-Rocket and will boo him and his high era. Jeez Friedman really?
The fans will not boo him. Especially after he hits a bomb and beats SF 1 to 0.
If Bumgardner pitches well and hits a few home-runs to win the game, fans will love him.
Sign Bumgarner, Dodgers! The only place that has ever motivated Maddy to win a WS is SF. LA would be an excellent place to sabotage the Doyers. It would be priceless!!!
I really don’t know how I’ll react to this until this happens. But I question whether the past would effect his decision
That’s a great point. I wonder similarly.
People used to say that about price and boston/ortiz.
Money has a funny way of washing away grudges
If the Dodgers sign Bumgarner maybe they will also sign Puig to keep him fired up.
Max Muncy will take care of that! lol
$ > Nostalgia
Imagine MadBum and Kershaw together leading the rotation 5 years ago.
So much for the concept of rivalry. He’s not an elite pitcher anymore. Why not go after Ryu?
Epic troll job if they do.
BREAKING NEWS: Giants to pursue Puig.
as a giants fan i don’t want to watch puig every day but it would be funny to see the puig/bum conflict backwards
Puig would be an abomination to the clubhouse and would do nothing but bring bad PR to the org and start fights every chance he gets. Nothing but a perpetually immature hothead
Jeter must want Mattingly ousted
I hope it happens. Lol
I’m a giants fan and hope this happens
Than you’re not a real Giants fan. He’ll always be a legend in SF, and I’ll never hate on him no matter where he goes. But if he doesnt stay, I’d definitely like to see him as far away from SF as possible. And it goes without saying LA would be the very last place we want him to go.
Madbum is a redneck. He likely loathes the progressive bay area.
Yeah, 3 WS rings and millions of adoring fans who worship you would make anyone hate the Bay Area…
Better than what you do in October as a padres fan
I’m surprised the Padres aren’t chasing him. He’d be a good mentor for MacKenzie Gore. Both are lefties, both are from NC.
I’d love to have Bumgarner in Petco. Gigantes gave my Padres their lunch throughout Bumgarner’s tenure. He and Gore would feast on the Doyers.
Buehler isn’t a slouch either
This would be on par with when Brett Favre went to the Vikings
Staying within baseball more like Johnny Damon or Roger Clemens to the Yankees
I went to a game in Fenway when Damon was a Yankee. LOL a Who concert would have been easier on my eardrums when Johnny Was announced.
Wtf is happening I’m about to go to bed and so much comes out best offseason ever
Doubt he signs there lol , Dodgers are in panic mode . Might as well trade overpay some pieces for that John Means guy , or one of the Mets pitchers
Ok, Means is probably the only guy on that roster they wouldn’t trade. They control the guy for six more seasons what exactly would be the point? A huge overpay is the only scenario I could even imagine.
Yeah pretty sure the Dodgers aren’t overpaying for John Means.
The Dodgers aren’t in panic mode. The media is just throwing anything out there right now. The Dodgers didn’t “miss out” on Cole, for example. They were likely never serious contenders to sign him, but were used as leverage to drive up his price.
It was reported that they were 2nd in the sweepstakes for Cole & just missed out. Sounds like they made a substantial offer. Why wouldn’t they be all in on Cole?
In most cases I do think that the Dodgers use the media to portray them as closer to obtaining high profile free agents than they actually are. It’s called being smart. You always want your fan base thinking that they’re in it but you also want to have the prudence to not spend stupid money. And let’s face it fans want their teams to spend no matter what. Most fans that is. Not my money as they would say without realizing how far back that can send you as a franchise with so many bad contracts. It does seem though that Cole was different. Friedman really likes him and seems like they made a legitimate push for him (8 years $300mm if you believe that report) but just looked like Yankees would top them no matter what the cost is. It’s stupid money. It will be smart money the next 3 years or so but will be painful to unload when he declines.
Dodgers have the starting pitching……
It’s Rendon or Donaldson playing every day along with a few bullpen arms (Daniel Hudson?) that would make a difference.
Panic mode????? If they sign no one they are a formidable club.
Until the annual choke in October.
Padres fans have no ground to stand on when it comes to jokes about October……..
Last 15 minutes is perfect case of why there needs to be a salary cap in baseball
Why? So the Owners can pocket more money? That’s the result.
Geez, them baddy owners, earning a profit on an investment they funded.
What’s this world coming to?
We’re all experiencing exactly what the world is coming to…a disproportionate amount of wealth being held by a select few.
Nothing wrong with them turning a profit – good on them.
I, as a fan, prefer to see most of the money I invest while watching, to go to the players I’m watching, without artificial barriers to restrict it.
You don’t have to like it.
because 99 percent of the people whining about a salary cap foolishly think that’ll lower ticket prices (cause you know, capitalism is bad when players make money, but not when owners and businesses do so)
Let’s not forget they get antitrust exemption, and often jawbone municipalities for public funding.
Franchises are a public trust, so no, it’s not so simple as “earning a profit on an investment they funded.”
Hi Comrade! Power to the people!
if owners make so much money, maybe cities should quit funding stadiums for them.
So billionaire owners can keep more of their money?
It’s their money you just said it. It’s also called parody. When’s the last time a team
Won the World Series not in the top 25% payroll wise? No athlete is worth 325M let alone a starter who will make at most 360 starts in those 9 years. Nearly a million a start?
What defines worth? If I make cheese burgers for 10 dollars an hour, and I make 10 burgers an hour, who’s to say whether or not I’m worth $1 a burger? The market was able to act unhindered and this was the result. Who cares how much they make? It’s not affecting your game ticket price. Just enjoy that the game is healthy and producing revenue for the game’s biggest stars.
There’s a reason other sports are gaining in popularity while baseball unfortunately is going the other way
2017, 2015, 2011, but you’re right, it’s a ridiculous contract. Any team that would give a 9 year contract to a pitcher deserves to have him go Barry Zito on them.
You said it doesn’t impact my ticket price? So NY, Boston, LA don’t charge extra for tickets? I’m from Milwaukee and live in Chicago now and I can tell you they more than do. What I am saying is unless you’re a diehard fan or a fan of the big spenders people don’t want to see the same 5-7 teams buy titles. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong I’m saying this is why baseball is losing popularity.
Oh please the best pitcher in baseball can get paid big. The billionaires just pocket more with that attitude.
“When’s the last time a team Won the World Series not in the top 25% payroll wise?”
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The Royals 4 years ago.
Those 3 cities have notoriously high cost of living. Did you also get lunch while you were there? I assure you it’s not because your lunch ingredients demanded higher salaries. Nationals games are not cheaper than Angels games. Mets games are not cheaper than Astros games.
So we just named 3 teams in the last 20ish years? Great ratio. Salary caps would at least lower prices for fans and cause a greater parody in the game. Set it at $150M and the studs still get their millions. Having 5 teams outspend each other for titles doesn’t help the game. That’s why it’s losing fans.
Different cities cost different money. Milwaukee has a lower cost of living than Chicago. The Dodgers have a big salary, the Angels historically do not (at least compared to the Dodgers). Your argument thus far is that games in big cities cost more than in smaller cities. my counter argument is that everything costs more in big cities than in smaller cities – and that there’s plenty examples of big market teams acting like small market cities; and small market cities acting the inverse.
And nothing discussed in this thread is the reason.
My entire argument has been there’s no parody in baseball which is why it continues to lose fans. The same 5-7ish teams buy titles and they are all in big cities because of TV deals mainly. However it’s going to cost you more for a ticket, parking and a few beers at Yankee stadium compared to Miller park. The 324M Cole just got is the same for every team though. My whole argument is big market teams will continue to outspend hurting the parody in baseball.
And nothing discussed in this thread is the reason.
So unless you’re a diehard baseball fan like myself or a fan of the top spending teams what’s your reason to watch?
Royals, Rays, A’s, and Indians would disagree with you.
and the owners will lower prices zero percent, thus giving them even more money (while lying about losing money so they avoid taxes)
Of the teams you just listed there’s exactly 1 title between them in the last 30 years. Yankees have 5 by themselves. Doesn’t help your argument much.
How do you know that’s what they would do if it’s never been done in baseball before? Trust me I want baseball to be the best sport ever. The gap between the teams that can compete get smaller and smaller which is not good for the sport. There’s maybe 5 teams who will challenge for a title this year.
Please don’t make a parody of parity!
I earned that one!
I’m a L.A. fan from the midwest. I used to go to Chicago every year when the Dodgers came to town. After 2016 parking was $50, tickets went up, and you couldn’t every go to the outfield during BP if you had a box seat. Now we go to Cincinnati
Dude, no offense, but it’s parity. Your spell check gives good satire, though.
2017 Astros 18th payroll
2015 Royals 16th payroll
2011 Cardinals 11th payroll
2010 Giants 10th payroll
2008 Phillies 13th payroll
2006 Cardinals 11th payroll
2005 White Sox 13th payroll
2003 Marlins 25th payroll
2002 Angels 15th payroll
You realize the Yankees haven’t won in over a decade and the Dodgers haven’t won in over 3 decades right?
There is “parody” in baseball but there is no “parity.”
Just said that
Actually, it is a parody of parity.
“there’s no parody in baseball”…just wow
Got to keep up with the Yankees, I guess, but Bumgarner is no Gerit Cole. The Dodgers are like the Patriots except they never actually win the big game. If Tom Brady goes to hell his punishment will be being reborn as Clayton Kershaw, failing in every clutch moment imaginable.
“The dodgers are like the patriots”. Proceeds to list exactly why they aren’t like the patriots.
But MadBum would cost the Dodgers 220 million less.
Does costing $220m less equate to a championship? Nope. When you get bounced out of the playoffs next year, don’t cry too hard.
Tom Brady is definitely going to hell.
Im sure Kershaw really hates his life. 250 million in contracts, good family and a mansion in Texas. Must suck.
The Dodgers are like the Atlanta Braves in the 1990s, only the Braves actually won a World Series. In NFL terms, they are like the Buffalo Bills of the early 1990s.
Yes. And the Cardinals are like the Steelers. Professionally run, great fan base, and always competitive. With a nice mix of building through the draft and key free agents.
Cardinals are more like the patriots, cheaters.
You mean Astros, right?
Also the cardinals are cheaters. They got caught hacking (ironically) the astros player database
I’ll be pissed
Me too!!
You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
So even though you view yourself as a villain you’re still a hero at the end? That’s beautiful Jim
If they sign Mad Bum, do they trade Muncy per Mad Bum requirement?
Just going to say they would have to have an emergency team meeting and see if Muncy and others would even let it happen. He’s not the guy we need for the season but if he hasn’t regressed too much, he could be the guy we need for the post season. I really just can’t see this happening! It doesn’t seem right lol
Johnny Damon all went from the Red Sox to sign with the Yankees. It could happen, unless the Dodgers lose their nerve and not do it.
I’d be confident they’d both be able to laugh about it – I’m sure Bumgarner realises that “if you give it out – you have to take it back”
You didn’t get the other headline? Puig is also signing a one year deal with the Dodgers. Muncy, Bumgarner and Puig lockers next to each other.
They may fish him out of the ocean..
Who would’ve thought Cole would sign before Gardner
So they don’t spend stupid money going after an elite pitcher but they’ll spend stupid money for a “has been”. You have to like the Yankees approach. They do what they have to do to win.
Yankees went all in on the best best to dominate in a long time. It probably just won them a couple championships which saddens me.
A has been. He is 30 and pitched a ton of innings for a truly, truly bad team last year.
I honestly don’t see him playing there. I might puke if I see him in Dodger blue.
lol Crazy!
MadBum to the Dodgers would be the one move that could destroy a beautiful narrative. I know Mays was dealt to the Mets and Jackie Robinson to the Giants, but both of those players were well past their prime, with only a few games left. Bumgarner, by contrast, is still a very valuable player. I can only hope this doesn’t happen.
Hey jetporker, let’s see a Puke-athon in McCourt’s parking lots and from the top level in their dump of a stadium onto the Doyer fans below them!!! Finally—a reckoning.
wow Boras is smart throw the dodgers in there so the giants up their offer and resign him.
Boras isn’t Bumgarner’s agent…
Boras doesnt represent every professional baseball player.
Wow that’s surprising. My point is it’s just a way to get the giants to up their offer. If they do get Madbum I’d be shocked and confused.
The best part about this year’s FA is that it’s taking place THIS year. Finally. I did want to kick a few of those dudes in the cojones for dragging it out so long last offseason.
Probably use the money it would have took to sign Cole and use it to sign Multiple arms and fill in other holes
This is an agent trying to get Madison some more $.
The Dodgers are too smart to go after him.
This was Friedman’s plan all along. He was never going to give Strasburg or Cole the contract that they wanted. He just wanted to run up their price tag to justify not signing them.
If Friedman had anything to do with those rumors at all.
Supposedly 8 years $300mm for Cole. I do think normally he thinks most high profile FAs are not worth the money, but seems like he had a real interest in Cole. And before you say why couldn’t the Dodgers just fork over another year and $24mm, you know that the Yankees would just keep pushing the envelope. When Friedman got that sense is when he knew that the Yankees were going to get him.
No… just no, no thanks, don’t do it, nah uh
Please tell me this is a bad dream
This sounds like media bs, nothing more.
The Angels need to get involved. Do they go Ryu or MadBum.
I choose Ryu and Lindbloom and be open for a six man rotation. Someone will drop out.
Go Angels!!! Arte Moreno is the man!!! Trout and Rendon are gonna wup some Doyer tail.
I don’t mind this, actually hope we get him but I must say this getting all excited thinking we are going to get to a big free agent for nothing. They do this crap every year.
I agree, and the Dodgers are always rumored to be in on big free agents simply because they have a ton of money. I think that is mainly media speculation. I would say the “they” in your post should be directed more at them than the Dodgers.
Rendon Bumgarner and Hader. Imagine those 3 pickups.
I can ‘mell it!!!
I can’t see this happening. The Giants will jump in and top any offer the Dodgers give him just to make sure he doesn’t go there
MadBum can show Kershaw how it’s done in Postseason.
Meanwhile Kershaw can get him there.
He had no problems getting there and winning it all in ’10, ’12 and ’14.
lol, you realize that was 10, 8, and 6 years ago right?
lol, you realize the Dodgers last won it 30+ years ago right?
Still not as big a drought as the 50+ yrs it took the giants to win in Cali.
Your Bridegroom didn’t win a WS until their 83rd year after birth. Any comment on that, dummy?
Madbum can show him how to be a selfish teammate And get hurt riding motorcycles you mean?
Bumgarner is a 3-time World Champion, You’re not worthy to be in his royal presence—off with your tongue, Dodger varmint.
Hey lunaticfringer—Anybody can show Kershaw, baseball’s version of the TV program The Biggest Loser.
Bum and Kershaw are buddies by the way. Sign Rendon and Bum for what Cole got?
Trade joc to the reds, trade for hader and call it a day.
Doyer fans are haters enough all by themselves. Let’s not add a Hader to that bunch.
“Trade joc”? The Dodgers don’t wear jocks. Where did they find one to trade? And, shouldn’t they be trading buckets of baseballs, flowerseeds and the like for other players?
With all the money being thrown around this off season this should take away one of the union’s major talking points when the Basic Agreement expires after the 2021 season.
Absolutely love it!
This is a great example of what happens when you have zero game plan or direction. When will the Angels learn?
Hey shanerw/nohalo–Your Doyers are a great example of what happens when a team steals land from homesteaders in Chavez Ravine for their personal gain, get $8.3B from the Ruskies cause nobody else will give them money to fix their delapitated stadium, and are able to install their puppet Fryedman to sabotage Doyer fans being able to watch local baseball on TV and ensure big payments to the upper 1% Doyer fans.
The Dodgers and the Indians need to make a trade centered around Kluber and Muncy. It would be beneficial to both IMO.
Huh?
All this going on and you throw this out there?
Makes sense, LAer—you’ll need to also send Lux or May in the Muncy/Kluber trade.
Why exactly?
The almost 6 war cost controlled rising star Muncy for an aging and somewhat pricey pitcher? Come on man, do better. I can see a trade between the two teams for Kluber but Muncy isn’t happening.
And how are you going to replace Muncy’s production? He’s been quite productive the last 2 years. You’re subtracting and adding (riskier add too), and not getting anywhere. If you want to win the WS that’s not a good equation.
The Dodgers will likely just re-sign Ryu and that will be their “big” move. I like Ryu but he is about as far from durable as they come and he isn’t getting any younger.
He’d go back in the #2 slot, but he’s not going to do what he did last year. Hope he makes it to the post season. Unless one of our young guns (Urias, May, Gonsolin) over achieve this year, post season might be short again.
I like the potential for all three. It would not surprise me if at lest one of them becomes a significant factor for the staff next season.
at least, too*
“…might be short again.” Well yeah, since 1888!!! Started of with three and now down to 2 millimeters. At this rate you’ll be Bridesmaids instead of Bridegrooms in a couple of years.
I just don’t see Bumgarner signing with the Dodgers. From everything that’s been reported, his top choice would be to stay in SF. Short of that, I think he’d be perfectly willing to leave California behind. For the past month, I was convinced he’d ultimately sign with Atlanta given how they were looking for another arm and he’s obviously a proud Southern boy. But after the Braves inked Cole Hamels to a one year deal, that option was erased. My guess is Bumgarner eventually signs with Minnesota. The Twins are desperate for pitching, have a ton of money to spend, and the fishing/hunting/lifestyle of Minnesota would seem to be the most natural fit for Bumgarner.
Despite being a giant, bumgarner has always lived in North Carolina. I doubt he moves now.
shouldn’t that be Bumgarner’s days as an ace are over as opposed to Cole’s.
Bumgarner is significantly better than Cole Hamels at this stage of their respective careers. Hamels signed a one year deal with Atlanta whereas Bumgarner will likely get 4-5 years and nine figures. No contest.
Yeah I’m surprised that mistake hasn’t been fixed yet.
Mlbtr must be pretty tired I’d say
“Cole’s days as a front line starter may be over…” pretty sure you meant Baumgartner’s. Otherwise Yankees made a big mistake.
The Dodgers didn’t miss their target in not getting Cole. To miss a target you have to actually take a shot at it.
Bumgarner to LA is a virtual impossibility. They’d have to start with intervention counseling between him and Muncy. It’s also doubtful that he’d be accepted by the LA fans especially since he isn’t the pitcher he was and he also isn’t what the Dodgers actually need. What they actually need they didn’t get.
Again, your drag-everyone-else-down-around-you negativity has you painting the same picture as usual. It’s pretty toxic.
All you know is that it wasn’t a $324 million shot.
I can’t recall the last time you said anything positive about the Team you allegedly support.
You are exactly the kind of fan that the Team doesn’t need. Bitter, negative, and toxic.
Find a way to rewind to a time when you didn’t hate everything.
There is no way the Dodgers were going to offer a huge, long-term contract to Cole. As a fan I think that is the right move. That contract is ridiculous.
That contract is insane. Absolutely ridiculous to a level I have never seen. It’s gone to plaid.
Nine years and $300+ million for a 30-year-old pitcher? Dumbest move I’ve seen since Pujols. Be glad and rejoice your team didn’t get Cole. And that’s coming from a Giants fan.
Yeah, record contracts do tend to be the largest anyone has ever seen. How it looks for the Yankees will depend on the results over the next few seasons. If they win a championship during that time I’m pretty sure Yankee fans will be too busy celebrating to worry about how the team balances their books.
Again with your mistaking insults for arguments. That’s the definition of toxic. I don’t “hate” anything but I do notice how people argue when they know they are wrong. I also notice when people can’t recall something because they don’t want recall it.
On the actual subject, I said from the very start that the Dodgers were not going to sign Cole. I guess, using your selective memory, you can show how that prediction was horribly wrong. Or maybe you are aware of an offer the Dodger made that hasn’t been reported anywhere and can factually refute my argument that they didn’t make one.
Or you could just go into insult mode again. I’m pretty sure I know what choice you will make. The one you always make. The toxic one.
The negativity is in the fact that you assume, believe, and preach the absolute worst about the Dodgers, until proven otherwise.
It’s not that you “predict” the Dodgers won’t sign someone. It’s that you insist on running them down alongside it.
Genuine question – are you a fan of the Dodgers? And why? What was the last positive thing you said about them?
Easy mad dog—who made you the decider of who chooses who?
They offered 280 million. Is that a non serious offer? Its very resonable to pass on 324 million for a PITCHER. If they don’t land Rendon heads should roll. But not for passing on Cole.
Yeah, and I offered $30K on a $50K vehicle. I don’t know why they didn’t accept my offer. Everyone wants Del Monte but is only willing to pay store brand price.
And who says they made him any offer at all? We know only that the Dodgers met with him, and nothing about whether that conversation resulted in any proposals. Only the meeting was reported here or anywhere else. Beyond that was only the usual bored sportswriter speculation about what the Dodgers might offer were they to make an offer. Which as far as anyone who wasn’t in that room knows they did not.
Salary caps in professional sports are not about padding owner profits. They are all about setting conditions to make a league more competitive for all the teams involved.
No where has it worked better than the NFL were teams have proven they can go from last to first in a quick turn around & earn their chance to lose to the Pats.
Can you imagine how many more SB’s the Pats might have won if the NFL didn’t have a hard cap?
I don’t know why some fans still think the owner’s get the lion’s share. The majority of the revenue in the 3 major cap sports go to the players. The dispute & contention over new CBA’s is about new sources of revenue like web media where the owners are more reluctant to fork over the majority to the players.
How soon we forget that both the Astros & the Royals won WS titles recently.
The Royals got there by MLB’s service time/arbitration rules, nationally sourced revenue sharing, luxury taxes paid by LAD & NYY, qualifying offers, & other rules specificially
designed to help the poorest revenue reaping teams. The Astros had to fall that low
to see their revenue drop to get that benefit. Unfortunately for the White Sox, their local media revenue is too high to get any worthy revenue sharing benefit. Both the Mets &
Oakland are in similar boats though not as severe as the White Sox.
Where the salary cap system has failed is the NBA. Just look at the Eastern Conference.
Those teams have money but few superstars. When the superstars like LeBron go West
they pull at least 2 more superstars with them. The buddy system coupled with the cap
system has created the 3 headed monster teams. What the NBA needs desperately
are rules like MLB that afford teams the opportunity to build their own 3 headed monster
teams through the draft & trades where players have a lot less power.
MLB does not need a salary cap but it does need to help out teams with poor gate revenue, decent media revenue, & poor records. These teams need an extra arbitration
year for their players more than greater revenue sharing. Imagine how more competitive
it could be if teams that are in the bottom 10 of gate revenue & winning % got an extra
arbitration year.
The other big problem is the NYY’s have figured out how to manipulate the current CBA.
They stay below a threshold to avoid greater luxury taxes & throw in lots of cash to
move their high priced less performing players in return for 2-3 high ranked prospects.
They then use the money saved in moving that player to pursue another high priced free agent. If MLB were to impose a scaled luxury tax on the extra cash involved in a trade,
teams like the NYY’s might think twice.
Nah, the current system has 3 or 4 teams feasting off the rest of the league. That doesn’t promote competition or fairness, especially for the fans who finance it. Ninety percent of teams in the MLB can’t or won’t extend/re-sign their top players because of 2 or 3 large market teams. That’s exploitive to the fans paying to finance the current system, which amounts to piracy.
No. Just…. no.
First word of 4th graph is “Cole” I think you mean “Bumgarner”
Let’s not pay any tax should be our rally cry. Doesn’t matter who it is, the Dodgers will never do what’s actually necessary to win a title. They’re always outbid by someone more committed to winning.
I agree. Its about winning championships. At some point the Dodgers need to make a deal for a player that can put them over the top even if it means trading coveted prospects and/or signing a premium free agent and just paying the tax.
Resign Ryu and trade for Kluber, Keuschal or Syndergaard. Then go get Hader. Done
None of that is happening.
How is that done? How are you getting Kluber or Syndergaard? You need to trade for them and the Dodgers never want to include top prospects and you are not getting those guys without that.
As for Hader. Ok go get him you say. But tell us how you are doing that. Brewers would want value for him so it is not as easy as just go getting him.
I could actually see them going after Kluber and hoping for a bounce back season from him. It would be risky but with fewer options now on the boards it might be the best risk available, other than bringing back Ryu (which still seems like the top possibility).
As long as Andy and Stan can win the Division, goof around in the Playoffs, keep people buying tickets and dangle stars in the face of the Fan Base they’ll NEVER spend big. They’ve BOTH have pretty much flat out said it in EVERY Interview!! Has anyone EVER heard them say, “We’re going to do whatever it takes to win a Championship”? NOPE! And you never will…
Good point.
Careful, someone might call you “toxic” for speaking the truth.
The Dodgers Spent big before. You must have beach ball amnesia?. Forgotten the Dewdgers led the league in annual payroll and operated at a loss for years to try and buy a championship and it didnt work!
The Dodgers waste all their effort and energy on winning NL West divisions and that guarantees nothing in the post season.
That is the pure truth there. Guggenheim is about making money not winning WSeries. As long as games sell out and merchandise sells, Guggenheim doesn’t really care about a WS.
I’m fine with the approach of making the playoffs every year and see where that takes you. It’s a bit of a crapshoot. Did anyone think the Nationals would take it this year? I thought that they had a good chance of beating the Dodgers in a 5 game series with their big three starting pitching but didn’t think they’d go all the way, especially with the Astros and Yankees on the other side. Keep tweaking the roster. They need to tweak a little bit away from depth which has allowed them to do extremely well in the regular season and upgrade the playoff roster. Don’t destroy the 40 man roster but find a way to improve the 25 man roster without killing your 40 man roster.
Chinese and Russian interference and now Dodger infiltration into the Giants organization. Commie basterds
“The former and the latter” the single most overused phrase on MLBTR. Zzzzzz.
This will be interesting with Max Muncy still on the team.
ERA is not the end all stat. His K/9 and WHIP have pretty much been where it was his whole career.
If you look at his last three years (2017-2019) versus previous four years (2013-2016), the numbers are not as good. He’s giving up more HRs, striking out less, OPS against higher, etc. He’s in decline. Performance doesn’t go in a straight line and you could see a bounce back season but I would pass on him.
Bumgarner to the White Sox.
If he can hit better than all of the Sox DH candidates, let him hit!
Can we interest you in Samardzija again instead?…
So he decided to go get the ball out of the ocean? I hope it’s still there.
That dirtbike accident didn’t do him any favors. But that was 2 years ago and it’s possible that fully healing took longer than expected. He pitched over 200 innings last year and that is encouraging. IDK. I view him kinda the same as Kershaw: Once great and still solid, but doesn’t have the elite stuff any more. If the Dodgers sign him, I hope he astounds me.
Both in decline. Kershaw declining faster. MadBum has not been as dominating as Kershaw in the regular season. Even with Kershaw’s faster decline he was a better pitcher than MadBum last year. Red flags with MadBum. I guess he could rebound but would not be surprised if he didn’t live up to next contract. For what it’s worth I was hoping Kershaw opted-out and signed elsewhere before last year.. He wasn’t worth $31mm last year and he’s not going to be worth $31mm next two seasons.
One thing I will say is that as a Dodger fan, seeing the moves to go younger, cheaper, or efficient on the part of Dodger FO, it was bewildering to see them give Kersh $31 mil a yr. If he had taken $25 mil, I would say it was OK, but $31 was 3 yr ago Kersh. Still a hell of a pitcher but his contract rn shows how off the pay is to the product on the field. Beast in regular season BUT spotted in postseason play.
Agreed. Friedman was in a tough situation though. Fans would have gone apesht if they let Kersh walk away before last year and not spend money on him. I think the fans have turned on him a bit after the National debacle but before last year I think consensus was that most fans wanted Kersh back. You kind of knew that 3 years $93mm was overpaying back then but we were hoping Kershaw would rebound from 2018 and it actually got worse in 2019 and now definitely a bad contract.
Some fans remember Kersh v. Cardinals and his imploding 3rd time around the lineup. Then there is the he was left out there too long, he came out into relief etc. Kersh isn’t a dominant force in the playoffs, BUT that is a product of some bad timing as well. An error here, a misplay there and he would of gotten out of some of those bad situations, A bad BP also does him in. But Kersh is one of the greats in Dodger blue and, like you said, we’d of rioted had he walked. But, in hindsight, FO should have put more incentive to these next 2 yrs. If Kersh wins a game in the playoffs let alone a WS though, and the Dodgers win it all, that is erased and he will be seen as a HOF lock and one of the greatest. Not that he isn’t now, just that in a contest of metrics and pump my chest, I have this and you don’t, MadBum is a beast in postseason and WS and Kersh hasn’t shown that yet. Hopefully that changes these next 2 seasons though.
Damn, thought this had Braves written all over it.
Get Bumgarner!
Giants fans: if MadBum signs with your arch-rival does it tarnish his legacy in SF at all?
I’m a Giants fan and I say it’s better Bumgarner sign with the Dodgers and get a shot at another ring, than waste his remaining years enduring a Giants rebuild.
Go get him Dodgers! Madison Bumgarner is still a big game pitcher. Go get him!
His numbers haven’t been that great the last 3 years. A lot worse than the previous 4 years before his last 3 years. FIP has been between 3.90 and 3.99 each of the last three years. I’d rather role with Ryu right now even though he’s more injury prone and older. It’s a small sample size but Ryu has been the better pitcher and right now you have to go with highest quality and let the youngsters provide depth if a pitcher goes down. His numbers may regress a bit but I think he’ll still be better than MadBum.
I’m neither a Giants or Dodgers fan, but the thought of Bum going to LAD disgusts me.
Probably most Dodgers fans feel the same.
would 5years, $100 million be worth it for MadBum ? would the Dodgers make that offer? or 4/25
if I was the Dodgers, I’d go 4/100 and an option for a 5th w/incentives that becomes guaranteed if he reaches innings, SO’s etc. He’d be 36 or so at that point. Hell of a pitcher that would be a part of the prime years of Belli, Seager, Smith, Lux, Muncy years.
Doyers need to offer Bumgarner $134M/4 years.
Heck no. That’s way over his value. You do realize that he’s coming off an off year and hasn’t been close to elite in a while. He’s a good pitcher with some risk. It will be closer to 4/100 unless there is some team out there hoping to spend some stupid money.
MadBum, Kersh, Buehler, Gonsolin, Maeda, May, etc. I would be cool w/ that. Just need to figure out what to do with so many OF and UT guys.
Say it ain’t so MadBum….say it ain’t so!!!
Wish the Cardinals would swoop in and get a deal done with Bumgarner. I’d have no problem giving this guy 5 years 100mil. Can you imagine the thought of being able to get him Around 20 mil just a couple years ago? It would have been laughable. I know he had a couple injury riddled seasons, but the guy was pretty good this year.
Madbum, please go join the Red Bull motocross circuit and stay away from LA
Minnesota should go 6yrs and 120 and bet on MadBum
Berrios, Bumgarner, Odorizzi, Pineda, and mustachioed Dobnak? Looks pretty good
If MadBum is truly “interested” in pitching for the Dodgers, I think this reflects push-factors out of SF and the new Zaidi way. Bum seemingly expressed a strong desire to remain a Giant, but I never thought Farhan would give him what the open market will (possibly 5/100). So, with SF saying “we don’t want you” I think Bum wants to go to a strong contender and aim for another ring or two. This would really help his HOF chances…..it makes sense to me….wherever he ends up, I wish him well!
It shows the Giants’ understanding that Bochy rode that horse into the ground and there is not much left in that arm.
MadBum, Donaldson, Betances and maybe even find a trade for Joc, Pollock, where they return another arm, I’d consider it a success. Hell, executive of the year if they can just get Kelly and Pollock out.
I’m a Dodgers fan and the main reason I hate Bum is that he’s really good. And he’s a hardass redneck. I’ll take him in a second!
Is really good or was really good
Why is everything I post coming up twice? Embarrassing.
So are the Dodgers aiming for a Kersh, MadBum, Buehler, Urias, Maeda/Gonsolin/May lineup. On paper it doesn’t sound too bad. I mean MadBum did put up 200 Ks last year and that sounds like a scary lineup. Hmm
If they are, it would be amazing seeing a Cy Young, WS winner, in a rotation with an MVP, Cy Young winner and ROTY winner to go along with Buehler, May, Maeda and whoever else. Maybe an older rotation but these guys aren’t too far off dominating and even now, they still were great in regular season.
Come on MadBum…anyone but the Dodgers…don’t be one of those guys who jumps between rivalry teams just for the money…
So what is he supposed to do then? Why not say come on Giants pony up and keep him?
The White Sox = Face Palm
I can only speak for myself; but, as a Dodger fan of 55+ years, I hope he remains in SF or goes somewhere other than the LAD. I respect what he’s accomplished and would just as soon wish that he finish his career where he started. He has a reasonably good chance of being elected to the HOF and those kind of players should remain with their original team if at all possible.
While I do agree we need another Starting pitcher, I prefer that it not be Bum.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens here. Does Farhan stick to his guns or does he offer Bumgarner a contract he knows is an overpay in order to keep the hometown guy from going to their hated rivals?
Where is mlbtr on the dodgers/indians mega deal that could be in the works? Lux/may for lindor/clevinger(more pieces involved I’m sure but those are the headliners so far)
As a Dodger guy its hard to stomach, but you cant question his intensity & post season performance. Boy….. what could Walker learn from eavesdropping on convos between Kersh & MadBum
That may be what makes the deal happen, Kershaw’s and Bum’s relationship. They’d have a lot of fun playing together!
This would be a slap to the face by both parties. Bum will be hated for life and the Dodgers wouldn’t be any further from losing serie/wild card games. If this goes down….f u bum
It would not be a slap in the face from MadBums side if the Giants offer less than the Dodgers of course he would take the Dodger offer
The way Giants fans on here talked last summer you’d think that Bumgarner would sign with the Giants for less than the Dodgers were offering.
Mr. Foley, I am shocked you’d make that comment to MadBum. He’s a professional baseball player, and he’s looking for an overdue payday (Giants original extension/buying out his arb years was thin). If the Giants don’t want him, which as a HUGE Bum fan, but one who understands what the Giants are doing right now, I can see why Bum would take a big contract that gives him the best shot of being a WS champion again. Rivalry aside, unless the other perennial playoff favorites are knocking, why wouldn’t he go to the Dodgers? Why would you hate him for doing so? It’s business and his life’s work/earnings. I’d like to see him get into the HOF. If Farhan and the Giants brass won’t pay him and Friedman will, he should take the offer and slot in as your #3-4 guy and help you win your first ring in 30+ years. If he does that, I’d bet you’d take your rude comment back
Giants fans on here said that Giants fans would riot in the streets if Farhan traded Bumgarner. I say that if that is indeed the case then letting him leave as a FA, especially to the Dodgers, will have the same effect.