9:40pm: The Angels and Boras “have had multiple ’ownership-level’ meetings” regarding Cole, Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register writes.
6:53pm: Yankees general manager Brian Cashman is “coming with the offer for Cole today,” Heyman tweets. Bob Klapisch of the New York Times reported over the weekend (link below) that New York was preparing a seven-year, $245MM proposal.
5:28pm: Expectations are that Cole will indeed go past the $300MM mark, per the New York Post’s Joel Sherman, who names nine years and $324MM as “not a bad over/under” for Cole’s next deal.
3:13pm: After securing a stunning, $245MM deal for Stephen Strasburg, Boras is on the hunt for an even larger-than-expected payday for Cole.
The goal is for a nine or ten-year pact, per Heyman (via Twitter). The $300MM level “is well within reach,” per the report, with even greater earnings “certainly possible” at this point.
It is believed that the bidding on Cole will come to a head in the coming days, MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets. That could set the stage for an old-fashioned Winter Meetings auction of the kind we haven’t seen in some time.
1:07pm: Free agent ace Gerrit Cole continues to be the center of attention as the game of baseball gathers up in San Diego for the Winter Meetings. We’ve yet to seen any seismic news with respect to his market situation, but there’s good reason to believe we’ll see significant developments in the coming days.
Cole’s agent, Scott Boras, informed teams that his client would like to consider offers beginning right away, The Athletic’s Jayson Stark writes (subscription link). The hurler “has been aggressively involved in setting the timing of these talks,” writes Stark, and it seems he’s not interested in a protracted courtship.
While Cole isn’t looking to drag this process out for the next several months, he’s not going to limit his options at the outset. While some geographical preference had been anticipated — Cole, as you’ve no doubt heard, has deep ties to California — it has become increasingly clear that he won’t restrict himself to one coast.
The word now is that Cole “will go with the best value/deal regardless of geography,” Jon Heyman of MLB Network tweets. That certainly leaves the door wide open for the Yankees, who are reportedly preparing to put a big number in front of Cole, but it’s far from a done deal. It’s rumored that the Angels, Dodgers, Phillies, and Rangers are also in the hunt and it remains to be seen which team will separate itself from the pack.
With big-budget organizations pushing hard for Cole, the industry chatter continues to buzz with the likelihood of a record-setting deal. The only question seems to be just how many contractual records will be knocked over and to what extent, as Stark writes. MLBTR predicted a $256MM contract entering the offseason.
I’m inclined to think the Reds or White Sox might be a dark horse.
Have the ChiSox ever issued a contract over $100 mil? What’s the likelihood of them blowing up their record for a FA contract?
I agree but I don’t think he would sign with the Sox anyway. At this point, I would be happy with Kole Calhoun, Gio Gonzalez and local guy Tanner Roark.
At this point, Cole should ask for a clean 8 year $300 million contract. No deffered money, full no trade, 7 consecutive opt out clauses. Screw 9 or 10 years. If Stras can get $35 mill a year Cole should be able to surpass that. Cole won’t break Trouts record for largest MLB contract but in this market he can easily break the AAV record. 8 years for $300 million would make the only $300 million pitcher and give him $37.5 million a year which would break Trout by at least a mill and a half per year for highest AAV of all time. It would also be funny to see whichever team signs him freak out every single offseason like the Nats did with Stras over his opt outs.
Story from earlier today said the highest bidder will win regardless of geography or where his wife’s side pieces live (f you, Wheeler!).
He can ask, but that doesn’t mean he will get. I don’t think any pitcher is worth that money. too many things can go wrong. Just because the Nats got snow balled into paying Stras, why should that mean other teams should over pay for Cole. One has nothing to do with the other. Makes no sense to me
They reportedly offered over $120M for wheeler. Now that doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll pop $300M for Cole, but they are opening the purse more so than ever before.
how many teams have shattered payroll records in recent years? the answer is quite a few. theres no reason the Sox cant be one of them.
They tried to last year with machado. They’ve shown their willingness if a player would just take their money
No, their largest free agent contract was that $73 million deal to Yasmani Grandal this offseason.
Why not the rays or jays for that matter!!
Clearly this bidding war for Cole is between the Royal, Pirates, A’s and Marlins.
Sleeper: Detroit Tigers
Mets. Need to replace Wheeler.
Not sure they could jointly come up with the money. Interesting concept, he could pitch essentially once a month for each team!
But what if he ended up scheduled to pitch against himself….lol
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
Pirates: “Been there, done that. He’s not so good without Houston’s magic spin rate tricks”.
incorrect, the sleeper is the Long Island Ducks
He will probably lose that 2 – 1 late.
Don’t forget the Rays
It’s too bad the A’s can’t be the one. He’d be perfect for Oakland!
Darkside… Didn’t John Rocker pitch for the Long Island Ducks after saying he would retire before playing for a New York team?
If I remember correctly he got in a fight with a New York fan ranting about how he was a millionaire.
or the A’s. lol
No way. This is 2-3 horse race at the most with NY or LA offering even more revenue because of location so he and Scotty aren’t taking a cent less than what they can make on and off the field. No way you give a pitcher more than 5 years.
Can you name a pitching contract of 6+ years other than Price that has not worked out?
Mike Hampton and Barry Zito would like a word.
I’d add Homer Bailey and Kevin Brown too.
Going back to 1977, remember Wayne Garland and the Indians?
I wouldn’t say they’re dark horses, buuuuut The flag is up and The Angels , Dodgers and Yanks are entering turn 2 and the rest are still at the starting gate
Arte Moreno isn’t spending 300 mil either
I freaking hope not. Get two others instead of him.
Two others? No one in the FA market worth any amount of significant money.. they’d have to trade
He did last week
The White Sox? Seriously?
I would imagine you’re correct, at least on the Reds anyway…
Dude I wouldn’t be shocked if he went too Boston. Best chance too win. Cuz Stros can’t afford him. Don’t wanna go too NY, NOBODY likes it there. Unless you want a ring. I’m a Orioles fan, sooo yeah. Would love to see the Phillies get him. That would make them an amazing team right of break buddy. Never should’ve signed the dude from the mets. But hope you all had a great day and have a blessed evening.
Never happen; Sox are trying to cut payroll. They are not going 300 mil on Cole
What?? Neither is going to 300 million
Ace of Diamonds
If the Angels don’t sign Cole, it won’t be because of the money.
I honestly think that might happen, but Bumgarner would be a much better fit for the Reds than Cole. First of all, he’s a lefty, which would complement Castillo and Bauer perfectly, and Great American sucks up home run balls for Bumgarner to hit on offense. On both sides of the field, while Gerrit Cole would fit in seamlessly, I’m sure, I think MadBum would overall be a better fit.
Haha I hope you’re kidding!
I think their are several GM’s on other teams that will be happy to match the Yankees offers and ruin Cashman’s year.
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I bet the Dodgers “involvement” is slim to none
Dodger involvement is getting the Yankees to pay more than $200 mil. They accomplished that.
Considering no one ever thought Cole was getting less than 200 million that’s a weird mission to brag about accomplishing.
Melchez, no team thinks like that because a contract signed today influences contracts signed tomorrow.
Absolutely. Dodgers aren’t super sold on Cole, they’re just in the war to be in the war. I’d say they’re more focused on Rendon.
They reported on this website that the Dodgers have already met with Cole and Boras prior to the Winter Meetings.
Fans want front office to spend money in any stupid way. If you’re the front office you meet with these high profile free agent guys but you don’t offer anything close to their going rate. It’s called appeasing your fan base without going through with their stupid demands. If you want to keep your job for a long time that’s the game you have to play.
Fans want front office to win. Stupid fans.
Most fans are stupid by the way. Fans don’t lose their job when you spend money in a stupid way. If you gave me a dollar for every time a fan say it’s not my money it’s some millionaire’s money. The key is to be sustainable in winning. How much of that contract are you going to have to eat in the back-half of that deal? Nobody ever thinks about that. How is Pujols working out for the Angels.
Friedman is doing a phenomenal job by the way. Building the farm system. Not chasing stupid contracts. Making good trades. I don’t like the Pollock and Kelly acquisitions but they’re not going to hurt the Dodgers long-term prospects. Like the discipline.
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MLB-Pollack and Kelly contracts were not real smart but it does not matter as LA has plenty of funny money.
Friedman does a good job and is not stupid enough to sign Cole at these prices.
Moreno on the other hand proves that fans are not the only dumb ones regarding contracts.
People don’t realize the Guggenheim group is out to make money. Whether the Dodgers win a WS or not, the seats are always full. Merchandise sales are high, games are almost always sellouts. No reason the front office would want to win a WS cause the fan base would stop going to postseason games every year. Just my opinion.
They can’t buy everyone! These teams at the upper end of payroll can’t keep adding payroll, its unsustainable!
If the Braves sign him, can we get Mexico to pay for it?
Is he a wall?
Look at his stats. Not much gets past him.
Past him? Oh he’s a catcher now
Haven’t you heard. He’s a pitcher. When guys hit the ball? Get it?
So any hit balls against him only go 25 feet?
Making the Winter Meetings Great Again.
60 feet. 🙂
So by Mexico you are saying the taxpayers and our veterans? That won’t happen.
Mexico will pay for it… just trust me
Never trust a person who says “trust me”
dimitrios in la
His contract might be roughly the GDP of Mexico, so no.
The Astros are firmly out of the picture?
The only picture they have is broken at the moment.
Not true. They have a picture of the other team’s signs from left center field.
Good stuff right here.
dimitrios in la
Yep real good.
I think Coles statement and hat answered that
This is purely my opinion, but I don’t think Cole has any wanting to return to Houston. Especially after they didn’t use him in Game 7 out of the pen after getting him up and down multiple times and publicly saying he’ll pitch if they have a lead… which they had in the 6th inning but still failed to use him. Hinch seemed to manage Game 7 like there was 1 more game left, and it obviously bit him hard.. I also think that Houston believed that they had no chance of resigning him, and that’s why they went out and traded for Greinke at the deadline. Those points, added to the fact that they already have a soaring payroll and numerous of their core guys starting to make good money, some of them becoming free agents soon and are they going to try to resign them (Springer, Correa, Bregman etc etc) and they most likely just couldn’t afford to resign Cole.
Astros can’t afford Cole, if the Astros lost the ALCS, they would not be in the running to resign Cole when they already have JV and now Grienke… Astros locked up Bregman long term too. Springer is a priority and I believe Correa will be slapped w a QO when he’s a FA but no real extension will be considered by the Astros.
Point is, game 7 has nothing to do with how Cole’s FA will go. It’s all about $$$
You’re correct on the Bregman extension, my bad.. I totally forgot about that deal. The Astros have Altuve, Verlander, Greinke and Bregman all at $20m+/yr. I only brought up Game 7 of the World Series because he was obviously irate after the loss, and not being used in that situation. You have 1 of the best pitchers in the game ready to give you 2+ innings there, you go to him.. you don’t just let him get loose multiple times in the pen only to keep him there. With that said, we can both agree that the Astros can’t afford him (I mentioned the Greinke trade as it was them hedging their bets in regards to Cole’s free agency).
Never in it
I don’t think he will sign this week unless a club makes a way over the top offer that no one will match
Amazing how good and valuable for pitchers get once they leave Pittsburgh.
Remember when it was the other way around? Searage turned Burnett, Liriano, Volquez, Happ, and numerous relievers into almost ace form, then just a few years later turned Cole, Glasnow, and Morton into underachievers.
Yeah I was wondering the same thing
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Ronn-He turned Morton into a good pitcher too when they got him from the Braves.Morton’s problem was that he was always hurt.
For whatever reason RS did not seem to do nearly as well with the home grown pitchers.
Hello New York
Jon Heyman says whatever will help Boras get a client paid. I understand the desire to post his tweets, but anybody with 2 cents worth of sense can tell he’s a schill for Boras Corp.
That said, I’m betting on NY signing him.
Agreed! I have wondered that many times. No other agency every gets the rumour mill going all off season every single year. All to drive the price of his clients up.
“The word now is that Cole will go with the best value/deal regardless of geography”.
Geography and a contender means little if anything. He will simply go to the highest bidder.
And he’ll select the team with the best chance of winning. Then team B will say that they submitted a competitive offer to win their own fans’ goodwill. Life goes on.
To be fair, anyone first to report news is a schill. Heyman, Rosenthal, Passan, etc. are no different. I’d rather have these type of mutually beneficial relationships than wait for an official team or MLB release on the story.
Strasburg set the market, not Heyman or Boras.
It has been acknowledged by pretty much every writer and commentator and person in the industry that has talked about it that Cole will earn more than Strasburg both in term and AAV. Cole is better, younger, less miles on his arm, and no injury history.
Strasburg just signed for 7 years and a $35 million AAV. Even if it’s just one more year and $2.5 million AAV more, then Cole is at $300 million. Doesn’t take a genius to figure that one out. .
Not one word about Air Middleton taking to the friendly skies.
Looks like the Phillies are shopping at Walmart this year and planning their next rebuild.
Please change your name to ‘Johnny One-Note’. It will give some of us a laugh and partially make up for the constant trolling on the Phillies.
Wheeler came from a super discount store?
Phillies didn’t wait for the Black Friday discount though.
7 years and $245 million for Strasburg.
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Forest it seems to me that Wheeler at $118M tells me that the Phillies are serious about competing.
You may be someone interested in joining the Pittsburgh Yinzer society who complain about everything that the Pirates do.
They have many members but I am sure that they would welcome someone from the eastern part of the state.
The one trick pony rides again. Get a new drumbeat.
if Rendon and Cole are the only non-Walmart options (as you seem to believe) then im plenty happy they are staying at Walmart. we got Harper and Wheeler, might as well try and pick a few bundles from Costco in hopes you get a gem.
Yeah, when are the miserly middletons ever going to sign prominent free agents like Bryce Harper and Zack Wheeler, Wah
He’s going to NY. Just sign already!
The Angels will dumpster dive for pitching (as usual) once Cole goes to NY. Stras is going to Washington or SD. Ryu Dodgers. Eppler will probably sign Wacha and call it an off-season…
Been saying it all along. Strasburg will not go to SD though, they already have been reported not to be pursuing him.
If the American people stopped paying their cable bill, there would not be these 250 million dollar contracts to consider regardless of geography
Why do you have a problem with players getting paid?
Because it’s not about the player, it’s about the team. And when one player makes that much money there’s not enough to go around to keep the team balanced. On top of that long term contracts are usually regrettable about halfway into the contract. DC will likely regret this deal soon
Getting paid. What an incredibly dumb thing to say. Strasburg just received a full no trade contract for 7 years and $245,000,000. It is clown shoe contracts like this that make working folks crazy!
Because water is $4 a bottle, Pepsi $5 a cup, and Tickets $125 and up. And $40 for a cotton T-shirt.
It’s our money that supports baseball. We don’t pay, they don’t play.
We’re quitting cable, going back to radio.
There’s also that swoosh on the uniforms. Nike is paying, too.
The White Sox are on par with the Oakland A’s as far as spending go. Atleast Oakland knows how to draft and develop talent. What a joke.
Reinsdorf, move your sorry ### back to NY or Nashville, and take your pitiful team with you.
Think you’re being just a hair overcritical there. Just because they won’t spend 240 million on Stras or 300 million on Cole doesn’t put them anywhere near the A’s level of cheapness, at least the Sox have made moves with Grandal and resigning Abreu.
I agree. Big contracts are no guarantee of having a successful team.
Sorry they haven’t spent THEIR money the way YOU want them to.
presuming he’s a real Sox fan, he certainly has some stake in the team.
You’re right. Fans should never expect a team to keep its word.
Spending money on top players, especially pitchers is irrational, right?
Guess what else is irrational? Expecting fans to show up and watch a bunch of scrubs go .500 or worse year after year. Bite me @%#$&.
Did you see the numbers moncada and anderson put up last year?! Moncada is on a short top ten list with babe ruth and ty cobb (babip)
There are so many thing to like about the White Sox that have nothing to do with missing on contracts with enormous long term financial implications. Some people, and I’m beginning to believe Chisox is one of them, want to watch success crumble to the ground in 3-4 years. And yet guys like him talk like they know something. They’re probably nihilists. Like in Lebowski when those guys came in with the varmint.
I’m about as tired of ignorant Sox fans supporting the frugality of this franchise as I am of the owner/front office constantly whiffing on quality players and making pathetic excuses for it. You cut payroll and tanked for 3 freaking years so you could add an Ace and a slugger when the rebuild was over. Well, it’s one of the best pitcher free agent classes in recent memory, and you’re whiffing on everyone?!
And to you fools boasting about the young players and prospects, shut up! These guys aren’t good enough to win anything yet. The highest paid player on the damn team is a catcher. A CATCHER. I give the Sox an “I” grade for incomplete. If they don’t add impactful players this offseason, you can forget about the rebuild. All they will have done is gone full circle back to where they started 3-4 years ago. Everyone in baseball knows this. No top pitcher is coming to the Sox or ANY team unless you pay them ABOVE market value. The Sox obviously weren’t prepared to fo that, hence they lied to the fanbase… AGAIN. Keuchel, Roark, Castellanos AREN’T GETTING THE SOX INTO THE POSTSEASON. THEY’VE SIGNING DOGS LIKE THIS SINCE FOREVER. WHY WOULD YOU EVEN THINK CLOGGING THE ROSTER WITH 3RD TIER PLAYERS MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER TO THIS TEAM. YOU GO BIG, OR YOU GET SENT HOME. GOOD LUCK BEATING THE YANKEES, NATS OR DODGERS WITH GIO FRIGGIN GONZALEZ IDIOT.
Relax dude, they are only in year 7 of their 25 year rebuild. Give it time.
DO NOT SIGN HIM YANKEES!!!!!!!!
300 mil for a guy that plays every 5 days that’s why
Because water is $4 a bottle, Pepsi $5 a cup, and Tickets $125 and up. And $40 for a cotton T-shirt.
It’s our money that supports baseball. We don’t pay, they don’t play.
That’s approximately a million dollars a start!
Because 300 million for a pitcher who has had two great seasons and is 29 I’m more concerned about the years to be honest this will blow up in the Yankees face if they sign this guy.. just remember CJ Wilson was considered a “cant miss” free agent too ask the Angels how that’s working
CJ Wilson…lol. That’s why I think Morono will give Cole more than 8 years doing the Yankees a favor.
Never do it
CJ Wilson wasn’t that bad of a contract, he was serviceable and as close in numbers to what he had in Texas, plus he only signed a 5 year contract under $80 million. Not even in the ballpark of what Cole is and how big a contract he will sign. As an Angels fan I hope Moreno doesn’t desperately try and sign Cole if he is going to approach 8 years and/or $300 million. I know they need pitching, well pitching that can stay healthy, but it doesn’t look like there’s value in free agency at this point. I would start looking at other teams that need to salary dump
and trade to spend it there. I would also change course and go after Rendon, plug him in that lineup. If your staff is going to have an era over 4 then have an offense that scores 5! Semi joking on that I’m just salty thinking the Angels weren’t prepared and aggressive enough in their off season plans and concerned they will get in a bidding war because Moreno appears to like to make off season headlines and lose sight of other possible upgrades that are available.
Why would the Angles spend ~25m aav on Rendon when they have one of the best infields in baseball? Fletcher is an awesome surprise, LaStella was an all star, Simmons, and even Pujols at first drove in almost 200 runs over the past 2 seasons. We need pitching and then more pitching. I believe the rotation will be addressed with Cole or someone else. I’d like to see Maldonado come back behind the plate.
It concerns me that no one is talking seriously about upgrading their mediocre bull pen.
I agree with you! Like I said I was semi joking and salty lol. But looks like we are still in on Cole.
Buy those rings New York, you can have that contract.
So if he signs elsewhere did that team attempt to buy their ring too?
oh, do the players on your team play for free?
If NY signs a top free agent they buy rings….. if they don’t, they’re considered cheap…. more Yankee-bashing by fans that claim the Yankees’ fans are irrational (yawn).
We all love to party but nobody wants to go to jail.
I guessed NY for the contest, but i’ve heard in a tweet that, believe it or not, my Rangers are a dark horse.
Do we get him? No.
Do we get Rendon? I hope so.
We have other needs at the moment, and I kind of hope we aren’t a dark horse.
My prediction is still yanks, but a dark horse is…… the white sox
Doubt the White Sox get involved. I’d believe it on Strasburg, who seems likely to get one less year as well as less money, but not Cole. Jerry wouldn’t want to part with that much money all at once.
Why do you think Reinsdorf wouldn’t give up that much??
Doyers have everything Cole wants.. Cash, talent, geography and will be contenders.
Peter Gammons has reported the Yankees are willing to go up to 300 million. No disrespect to the Texas Rangers but I really do not see them going that high.
The rangers won’t, plus I think they are done with pitchers this offseason.
If it’s 300 million, he’s a Yankee.
Plus there will be an insurance policy on him!
I don’t trust you or Peter Gammons. Plus you replied to a guy promoting the Doyers who don’t play in Arlington.
Lol, either a misclick, or he is just a little off.
Geography is irrelevant to him, they’re incapable of winning the big one and aren’t going to be contenders in the near future
The Nationals were incapable of winning a playoff series, and yet they won it all. Dodgers have been close, they return a loaded team yet again, and Seager, Bellinger, Smith, Buehler, Lux, Gonsolin, May, Urias are all 25 and under. The Dodgers also seem to find a Max Muncy or Chris Taylor every year. But sure, they won’t be competing in a few years.
What is this with the “Doyers” thing? It sounds like you’re making fun of Spanish, which would be racist.
Everything isn’t always about race. Racist.
When The Yankees are All in on a Player Nobody will Top Them Not Even Artie Moreano The New CBA is coming and word is The Tax Limit is Going up enough The Yankees and others won’t have to worry or its Going away all together so Limited Spending might just be a Thing of The Past cause the players want it Gone or Raised so Do The Owners and NL get Ready for The DH Too !!!!!
Excessive, inconsistent Caps Are Not your Friend. Or anyone Else’s.
I can’t tell if you’re MLBTR’s message board police or enjoy cyberbullying or both. You can write intelligibly sometimes evidently so I’m confused.
Yes you are.
At least the off-season is interesting this year, unlike last year. Things are happening at a decent, not fast, but decent pace. I think Cole winds up a Dodger.
I don’t agree, but I hope I’m wrong.
I hope he is right.
No way that happens. Now that his price has more clarity, I’d put Cole with the Dodgers at 0.0001%. Friedman is a smart guy who doesn’t like to be trapped by these bad contracts.
Believe the best valued deal as much as he was going to be sure to sign on the West Coast.
No one knows here knows what he is going to do or what is the deciding factor. Wheeler chose less money. Some players do, some players don’t. Who knows?
He put on a Boras hat minutes after game 7 of the WS. You still aren’t sure what he’s interested in?
I think it says he was upset because he was in the bullpen when the Astros threw away the World Series.
If Stras is getting 7 245. Then Cole is going to get 280+. That means he’s a Yankee.
I think Cole ends up an Angel.
He’s made three statements of clarity:
1) Coast (west) doesn’t matter – he will go east
2) He doesn’t want to have protracted discussions – he wants to sign now
3) He wants to sign for the most amount of money
He’s whispering to the Yankees he wants to sign soon, so stop with their lowball and hit their max so he can put in the pinstripes. #28 here we come!
He turned down the Yankees as a late first round pick before going to UCLA. Will he turn them down again. Seems like a two team race with Angels. The latter just traded Cozart, freeing up more to offer to Cole. I’d bet Angels right now. Yankees second choice.
This is between the Angels and Yankees. The Dodgers don’t NEED him and probably won’t break the bank on a luxury. I would prefer the Angels spend on 2 pitchers because they need more than 1 pitcher. But it’d be great if Arte shows the baseball world he can spend with the best.
john dietz Moreno has shown he could spend with the best giving pujols the dumbest contract in MLB history. Spending stupid money doesn’t guarantee championships j7st ask the guys who signed Harper. Moreno is also not the smartest he gave a fortune to Trout but hes got tons of money tied up in 2 players with a team with many holes and no direction. Houston and the As way better teams and at least the mariners know their rebuilding.
Your point is valid; the Angels are in need of quantity, the Yankees need one high quality pitcher.
With stras off the market, this is starting to feel kinda life or death lol. Sign this man!!!
I’d honestly offer Bumgarner $100 million over 5 years and bank on him turning back the clock playing for a contender that will be playing meaningful baseball in September if the Yankees lose out on Cole.
I think the Angels are going to lose out in this and obviously now that Strasburg is back to the Nats. Their plan B and C are likely gone. I think they could spend that money for Cole on a short term deal with Rendon and then maybe the madbum, Keuchel and/or Miley grouping and try to catch lightning in a bottle
Anything less than a Cole/Keuchel deal would be a disservice to Angel fans. Madbum want to play in the NL, so he’s off the table.
The Angels with Eppler can’t compete. Eppler is a horrible GM who does nothing but like you said “ try to catch lightning in a bottle” and it never works. It’s the definition of insanity. And it’s the same ol’ story with the Angels…
Trout and Ohtani really messed up by signing longterm deals with this franchise.
I agree Eppler has not done a good job. I was hoping maybe a competent GM in the AL could sell Madbum on being a DH when Othani pitches and being able to pinch hit off the bench. I figure Joe could have some creativity with that. I dont know if a $300 mil contract for Cole is worth it, I suppose we could argue if you got 1 World Series Championship out of it then it could be.
Eppler isn’t horrible, he went in and has been straightening out the mess Dipoto and Reagins made. The team’s major issue has been the pitching staff not staying healthy, that is not Eppler’s fault. Offering a contract to Cole or not isn’t even his choice it’s an owner’s level decision. I hope they don’t offer a $300 million dollar offer for Cole.
Yes very true, as he had to pickup the pieces from the last 2 disasters. That being said his dumpster diving for the rotation hasn’t been the best. I hope they dont spend that much either. Crazy to think back to when Gene Autry thought 1 million was too much for a pitcher named Nolan Ryan.
The dumpster diving wouldn’t be that bad if just a couple of them paid off, unfortunately total disasters. I really think trading is the way to go now with taking on salary from teams that need to cut payroll. Bumgarner and run at Rendon maybe? But just wanted to respond because I had to laugh at your Ryan comment, I remember how bummed out I was, that really is not a shining moment in Angels history. I think back how 82-86 may have ended with Ryan leading the staff. Today though I can see the point of a player who plays 20% of the time isn’t worth $30+ million a year. That’s like paying a position player $150+ million a year.
The Strasburg deal just made his price go up and 300 million is not out of the question. Washington will regret this deal so bad almost sounds as stupid as the Pujols deal specially since hes had health problems they probably could have got him for at least 100 million less what other team would even give him 200 million.
Whoever loses out on cole would’ve immediately bid up Stras. The deferred money makes the deal more palatable, and, you can’t argue with them bringing back essentially the same staff.
Now, if Washington decides to replace rendon’s bat with mookie for one season things could get interesting.
Then again, maybe they go donaldson to keep 3b warm.
Wow! 7 for 245 for Strasburg
So 7 for 280 for Cole.
Just walk away slowly Yankees just walk away!
Yep, that’s much more than what most thought. That pushed Cole’s number up near 300 million no doubt. That’s a chunk of change. I’m surprised they went that high on a 31-year-old for 7 years.
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Mick-They are basking in the glow of a WS championship.
It would not be good to leave both him and Rendon go.
But they will be very sorry in three years.
Wow, after that Strasburg signing are the Yankees prepared to go to 300 million for a pitcher? Looks like that is what it’s going to take now.
Would be ironic if it became Nat king Cole
This will be the smartest money spent. That’s why we hear Yankees, Yankees , Yankees and nothing about the Phillies.
Same as it ever was.
Paying a pitcher into his later 30s $36 million dollars is definitely money well spent
Whomever gives him $300 million will regret it, probably within a year or two max.
You don’t pay Trout $430M and ignore pitching. Mr. Moreno, please pay the man.
The Angels will go 9 years at $310M and Angels fans will pray that Cole is more Verlander than Pujols.
You can have Cole for that amount. Team still won’t win anything. I’m hoping Moreno is dumb enough to outbid the Yankees.
They’re not going to stop at Cole, if they were to sign him, (which they won’t) they’d get another top tier SP! Cole, ?, Ohtani, Heaney, Bundy, and Canning is a nasty rotation. If Simmons, Upton and Pujols stay healthy, they have a decent shot at a WC or the West
The Angels can afford Cole and another pitcher…but probably more in the Roark tier. Also…and I recognize that I say this as a fan…they’re better than people think.
You really believe if the Angels gave Cole $300+ million that they’re going to also sign another big free agent pitcher? Uhh, I don’t think so. And please with mentioning Bundy as part of a ” nasty ” roation. That guy is a 4th starter on his best day. Canning and Heaney aren’t much to talk about, either. Just enjoy Trout, because that team isn’t winning anything of substance during his contract, especially with Eppler at the helm.
Cole needs more money.
Brian Cashman and Hal Steinbrenner, please exit stage left on Gerritt Cole. Just because Ted Lerner was dumb enough to give Strasburg $245 million, doesn’t mean you have to be dumb enough to give Cole 8 or 9 year for $300 million. The team will do fine without him. Please, I’m begging you, don’t be hoodwinked by Boras. No pitcher on Earth is worth $300 million.
Nats. 7 yrs/$300 million.
All $300 million deferred to 2030.
Nats are given 2020 WS rings along with their 2019 WS rings and the 2020 season is canceled.
Tonight at like 9:00 est, the deal will come through, yankees sign cole for 10 years 300 million. I’m lovin it, this is going to make the yanks pay for a long time.
Cole isn’t going to sign for less $ per year than Strasburg did, so 10/300 won’t happen… especially when he could potentially get 8/300 now..
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
BREAKING NEWS: Cole has signed with the Boras Corporation for 14 years and $425 million.
now is a good time to let someone else pick up the Cole fiasco
“Boras client seeks massive contract” isn’t news.
“Cole seeking massive free agent contract”
ya dont say….
Well the Dodgers are out of this race for Cole. They won’t pay that much for anyone.
I’m waiting for Heyman to report Marlins as Mystery Team.
These contracts are really getting ridiculous for playing baseball it’s not even a full year. Pitchers mostly pitching once a week getting $35 mill a year. There are Drs, nurses and other healthcare workers that are saving people’s lives that don’t make a percentage of what athletes are making. Military men and women that don’t make anything risking their lives for us. These athletes,singers,actors and actresses making millions a year should all give a percentage of their $$ to help people in their cities.
alright Bernie, relax now.
lol awesome response made my night
Theyre all calculated as labor costing a % of revenue the business (MLB) makes. This take makes your look like you dropped out of middle school.
Yeah, it is market driven though. People don’t want to pay $500/month insurance, but they will pay $200 or more to go to a ballgame. It’s because people love entertainment. Just look how mad people get on this site about opposing teams for reference.
Market notwithstanding, it is a sad shame we pay our military men and women, and our first responders and healthcare workers so little, comparatively. They are the ones that enable us to have the freedom to have free-market Sports like baseball and go to baseball game without worry. Thanks to all of you who truly serve (d) to protect our freedom!!! You deserve more than a pitcher.
save money turn on the flat screen
Some may be disgusting human beings but these entertainers you’re talking about can do what 99.9999% of the world can’t do. And do it very well. A lot of these high-earners do give back. We just don’t hear about it.
Yes, many give back to their community tenfold, which is why certain players are beloved in there community. MLB gave roughly 100 million to charity over the past decade, and I’m sure if you count player contributions that’s a low figure.
Yup, the billionaires give away nothing, millionaires give away tons, even poor people give away more than billionaires.
You are focussed on the wrong people. The owners make TEN TIMES the richest players and where are you? Billionaires are the problem, not millionaires. Billionaires are suppressing everyone below them from millionaire players to homeless people but you NEVER talk about them. Why?
Doctors and nurses aren’t making money? Why do they ride around in fancy cars and own the finer homes in their area? Get over that crap dude! The ones everyone should be pissed with are the CEO’s of the health insurance scam! Most are making in excess of $25mil a year while we pay $1200/mo premiums! The healthcare “industry” is doing fine!
$350 million might be the goal for Boras !
Boras will want $400 million for Bryant !
The Yankees will be the only suitor for Cole in those deep waters. Certainly Boras will beg the prior interested parties to refrain from publicly stating that they are out of the Cole hunt and he will have to invent some phantom teams. But at those numbers, there are maybe 3 teams that have the ability to make such a deal and said deal might, might make sense. The risk for every other team is so great that decline or injury could cripple the franchise for almost a decade at that price.
Yeah just like the Yankees spent big on Trout, Pujols and Ohtani. “Those deep waters” LOL!!!
ohtani is getting paid minimum.
Is this supposed to be earth shattering news?
Greedy how much do you need
How can I view my free agent picks?
stan lee the manly
You should have gotten an email with your list in it.
Jon heyman, 10 figures is a billion dollars buddy.
Glad Mets extended deGrom last winter.
Anyone who gives a pitcher 10 yrs needs their head examined.
Gonna have a lot of “Shrinks” calling the FO of the team that signs Cole for that long of a deal the moment it is signed. They will be looking to cash in too!
stan lee the manly
The team that gets him will be the team that offers him the deal that makes them the most uncomfortable. Everyone knows that ten years is too long, but if that’s what it takes to get the first five years of him, then someone will do it. It’s worth it if you can win, especially if you can win multiple.
Why though? It’s not your money being spent on potential breaks in free agents. So what if Cole gets 10 years $500M and only plays half of it, it matters nothing to you. Billionaires can actually afford a loss like that, none of us can.
You dont honestly think a billionaire is -sharing- their money with you, via a baseball team? Nope. All 30 owners could afford every FA on the market and not even lose a dime. But they put these totally arbitrary “limits” on spending that are based on nothing other than maximizing owner wealth over the health of the game.
It sickens me to see fans eat up the propaganda billionaires create that somehow paints them as the good guys and the players as the bad guys who arent allowed a fair slice of the massive profits they create singlehandedly.
stan lee the manly
While I agree with your point that the players deserve significant portions of the profit, the players don’t create profits single-handedly. This isn’t just a group of guys that get together and throw a ball around. The entire MLB organization and marketing and product sales and etc is all done by other people that are not on the field. Without the MLB league and brand, not one of these players would be able to make a profit out of hitting and throwing a ball.
So while players deserve their fair share, they don’t deserve all of it. MLB as a company deserves profit the same way that a company who pays employees to work for them deserves the profit.
Stan, Strike Four is a notorious Yankee hater and only wants to see the Yankees saddled with a huge blackhole contract in 5/6 years. If they sign Cole and he’s 5 – 5 in May with a 4.50 ERA, he’ll be on here saying the Yankees were fools for signing Cole. Just ignore him.
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Stan and Southpaw-Strike Four is an owner hater first and foremost,and I am not singling him out because there are many more on this site.
Greed has permeated the whole industry in my opinion and the only people who get screwed are the fans.
Cole is worth as much as some moron will give him in that he is the best on the market and is a very fine pitcher.
But will he be so in five years?
The insurance paid for this contract will be worth about a good starting pitcher in its own right.
This has gotten out of hand.
to overpay only means that we as the fans see our ticket prices go into the stratosphere and that’s why we all hope this insanity stops
2019, the year teams signed the next wave of bad contracts that will haunt them into the future. A three year contract at 35 million can be tolerated and moved if the player goes south or is injured, but a 10 year contract at 35 million becomes the next David Price, Albert Pujols, Chris Davis, Giancarlo Stanton, Joey Votto, Myers, Hosmer, or Jacoby Ellsbury, where fans are screaming for the teams to trade them with prospects attached so they can sign even more bad contracts for name players. Teams should sign players taking them to age 35, nothing older, because 99.9 percent of the players will tail off and become a burden after that age, with a few exceptions to the rule. If the fans want an albatross contract that prevents them from competing in the future, continue to encourage team GM’s to sign players into their forties.at costs that destroy payrolls.
If Strasburg got what he got, Cole will get at least the same if not better. My goodness, this market is stinking crazy!
Not that my Braves were in the bidding for this, but this should 1000000% keep them out of it haha
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
Does he still have a supply of his “Secret Astros Spinrate Stuff” he can put on the ball at his new team?
Cole is the Perfect fit for the NNY and Dodgers. If he is ok missing the playoffs year after year, then he could entertain the Angels.
Friedman has not given out a contract more than $100mm. You think he’s going to go from sub $100mm to over $300mm? Get real. He’s not an idiot like some of these GMs out there.
So 8/9 years at $280. Have to imagine the Yankees have no choice but to offer that after Stras’ deal
No way Cole becomes a Dodger. Foolish to pay a pitcher 300 mil at age 29. Someone will eat a lot of that deal.
Remember Price and how he’s turning out.
dynamite drop in monty
Yeah , don’t forget that completely different set of circumstances … that ended up in a 108 win season and a World Series? I guess?
come on Cashman!! just sign him 10/$380 mil will get it done!!
Why stop short of $400 million? Go for it.
These salaries are becoming insane. Watch for teams like the Dodgers to start trading away big prospects for solid major leaguers with three or more years of control.. Think Louis Castillo for Keibert Ruiz, Jeter Downs and DJ Peters. Solid MLBers with years of control and reasonable pay are becoming very valuable.
dynamite drop in monty
Wait til you hear about how much owned have been making
Good luck with who ever signs Cole! This is just ridiculous!
This is the market, it’s actually a good deal. A one WAR player is worth about 8 million and Cole is a 6 WAR player.
Now he is…but what about when he isn’t a 6 war player making $35/year? This isn’t a 1-year contract…
Most of the top contract players that are good are pitchers, the position players not so much. Pitchers like Verlander, Price, Sale, Scherzer, de Grom, Strasburg all have been successful. To guard agains’t injury teams will get insurance which usually pays two thirds of the contract.
There is no relevant insurance available for Coles deal unless you want to pay a half a mil per month.
This guy sounds like someone I would not want on my team. After immediately taking off his Astros cap and saying he’s no longer part of the team to now this…pft, take him. This will be unruly in 4-5 years max and whoever signs him will be strung up paying $35/year to a 4+ ERA guy with an attitude.
Maybe, but he is the best chance a contender has of winning a world series in the next 5 years. Pitching wins, not position players. Kendrick and Pierce were the top position players the last 2 years with Trout and Bellinger not making it.
After hearing those figures even the biggest spenders with tons of “stupid money” should be saying, “Uh, yeah, I’m out. Get me Ryu on line one.”
Here’s my prediction-
8 guaranteed years at 37.5 million per year that includes a no trade clause with a club option for a ninth year. I would like to see him go to the Mariners
OK, but what did you think a few weeks ago, I’ll bet nothing close to it.
I didn’t put a price on it till today
Lol mariners come on now
How is a guy traded for Joe Musgrove worth 300 mil?
Pirates make the playoffs a few years ago, and trade Cole, Glasnow, and Meadows. What a blunder!
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I know slider.They would have won a WS with Cole and have been able to sign him for pennies on the dollar if they had kept him.
What an idiot!
Probably was already said but I don’t think the dodgers will go near that. And although the Angels will, I really think Cole will be reluctant to go to a non contender. This is a 4th place team. He wants to win. I want the dodgers but welcome to the Yankees.
This is just as much the Nats fault. They paid a 31-year-old 245 million for 7 years driving up the price. That said, Yankees did say they would spend whatever it takes, so Boras is making them eat their words. Hate to see what Judge or Torres will command in a few years.
Smart move by Boras getting Strasburg done first knowing he wanted to go back to the Nats.
I agree, no way the yankees should give him that contract.
Let the Angels have him, maybe they can get to .500 with him.
But the Yankees just might be desperate enough. Outside of scherzer and maybe a couple others who are slipping my mind none of these contracts to pitchers ever work out, and now we’re talking about the biggest ever, by far?
Cole may get more than wheeler, bumgardner and ryu combined.
That’s crazy and extremley risky.
I wish owners wouldn’t give into this non sense. One player holding up that much money is dumb.
dynamite drop in monty
So you prefer collusion
No wonder this country is becoming rife with unabashed and vociferous idiocy.
My bet is on the angels. They have been known to give out big and lengthy contracts.
My perfect scenario it’s all about pipe dream but Cole, rendon, Lindor- TRUE BLUE DODGER fan for life like like TOMMY says I bleed (veins) DODGER BLUE
BlueJays should throw in a 10/$300 just for fun to see what happens. If Cole doesn’t want to be in Toronto THAT bad – another team will be forced to pay up.
He would sign that contract if Seattle offered it in a second !
After the Strasburg deal I wouldn’t mind the Yankees signing him. That 7/245 offer is gonna get blown out of the water now. It might give them a better opportunity to win now, but it would drastically shorten their window.
Nope! He’s all yours NY…. yours truly, Angel fan. nobody is worth $30mil
Angels: Bum and Keuchel. Go!
Can anyone tell me who the last pitcher to get a nine or ten year deal was? Exactly, and I’ll guarantee that Cole won’t either. They won’t find one team willing to even talk about that many years let alone give it to them. The Nationals screwed things up giving Stephen Glassarmsburg the deal they did and I’m sure he won’t make it to the all star break next season before he resumes his rightful place on the IL.
ugh. rather see the Yanks pivot to Ryu on a 3 year deal
want no part of 9/324 i don’t care how good the dude is now
Cole is hands down the ace of the free agent class, you don’t pivot until he signs elsewhere. And if he does sign elsewhere, I’d be happy with Bumgarner and Ryu, but Ryu alone is not an upgrade over what we currently have. He had one great year.
Do not be surprised if it is 350m or more for a 10 year deal.
I hope somebody is stupid enough to pay that much
So what they are saying is that the Yankees “offer” was a joke?
I’ll take the under and be perfectly happy if the Yanks do as well and lose him because of it.
Call me crazy but it just seems nuts to allocate that kind of money to a player who can only affect a team once every 5 games. Mike Trout….sure, but a pitcher with the injury risk?
If you look at the numbers of batters faced for a pitcher over the course of a season and compare to a players plate appearances you see that one pitcher starting everyday faces more batters in a year than a batter gets plate appearances. For example Cole faced 817 batters in ‘19 and Trout had 600 plate appearances in a little more than 130 games. So there’s logic to the mega money for elite pitchers versus elite position players. That said, it’s still a terrible idea to throw that kind of money at a pitcher for that long.
I hadn’t ever seen the argument presented like that. Makes a lot of sense.
Gerrit, in the snowball chance in he]] that you read this, please choose the Angel’s for none other than to watch the East Coast homers on MLB Network eat a huge helping of rotting crow. Joel Sherman, with his Mike Myers Coffee Talk accent, has to being paid by the Yankees. His name is probably in the Cole contract on page 82.
If I was a smart GM, I would have dropped out o this rat race awhile back but not say I had and drive the price up,. Business long term 101.
10 yrs and 300 million. Let him go the the Halo’s with the other kid and the team will suck for another ten years. You can have him and take Betts with him for another 300
Boras won’t let him sign for 30M/yr he will demand more and some sucker will pay it
That’s just outrageous. Look at what Miggy’s contract did to Tigers. They can’t even rebuild because he’s taking it all.
They easily could, the owner is just a cheapskate who refuses to spend money on his team – MLB should force these billionaire clowns to sell if they aren’t interested in making their team the best it can be by any means necessary.
I think Yankees or Angels get him. Yankees clearly want him but I don’t think they can possibly need him more than the Angels and the Angels night get desperate and be willing to outbid any number thrown out.
Anything above 7 for 280 it’s stupid and even that it’s a bit ridiculous.
If he becomes a Yankee it’s for that or less.
Lol. F that. What Team is dumb enough to make that mistake?
Hopefully not the Yankees.
The Yankees really need someone who will go 7 innings consistently, enough of this 5 innings crap.
Hey, Brian and Hal, hard pass on a 9-yr, $300+ million deal. He’s ONE player. Sign Ryu or Keuchel.
Or both of them and still have money to play with!!
Also water is wet
Just guarantee him $1m per start
Paying a pitcher 35M/yr to pitch 32 Starts is a huge waste of $$$ at best you may get 20 Wins and now a days that’s seldom happening
Who’s “waste” though? It isn’t yours. It’s a billionaires, who suffers nothing by having a FA flop on them.
True that !
Yep true that but about when tickets go up, parking goes up, food goes up and etc.??????
Then don’t go to the game. It’s that simple. Watch it from the comfort of your own home on your big screen TV with your own food and beer. Ticket prices are dictated by what consumers are willing to spend. It has nothing to do with the player’s salaries. If they could sell tickets for $200 apiece and have a payroll around $50 million, they would.
Brian, settle with Ryu before his price goes up and it will once Cole is done. S**t, is that what he’s waiting!?
Or they can sign 3 other starting pitchers instead of one guy at that price.
So three lesser players hogging up roster spots and essentially providing at best #3 starter stuff? What kind of pitchers are you signing for 10-15 annually?
9 years $324mm…. To me the money is only money (as in AAV) but time is much more valuable. I can’t understand the desire from a club to commit to a very high AAV for that long. Especially for a pitcher.
At that price, he’s a Yankee. The Angels should have concentrated on Wheeler. They completely messed up this off-season already.
I guess now they try to sign Ryu. Follow that up with Lindbloom, Castro and Betances.
Pass on MadBum and his 5+ Road ERA the last two years.
Sign him, Yanks! 10 years, $400 million. Do it! It’s only money.
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Blue-The Yankees could have had him two years ago if they had added Andujar to the deal with the Pirates.That is $75M worth of value that Cashman placed on Andujar’s head.
Incredible lack of foresight in Cashman.
If Cole is seriously asking for 9-10 years over $300 mil, I really hope the Angels will pass on him.
That is way too much money for one player, let alone a pitcher.
It will be really hard to bring the team back to Championship if the contract goes south, with all that money tied up.
Bumgarner and Ryu combo could be an option.
Agreed. Bum/Keuchel won’t cost you $300mil. Angels need to be smart. They’ll need Cole and another top pitcher to be competitive in the West. Spring $300+mil one one guy is absolutely insane. Let him go pitch in a hitters ballpark with 50 degree weather.
Agree 100%, sign Bumgarner or Ryu for a third of that and less long term commitment.
Why wouldn’t the Yankees go 10/300? If the signing goes bad they can just refuse to pay him.
How about 1 Billion? sound about right to me
I don’t understand why the nationals did what they did with Strasburg. I can only assume they got sentimental and win his performance in the WS they felt they needed to resign him, but I think it was an overpay. The nationals of all teams were in a position of leverage being that they have Scherzer and Corbin and could has gone after the next tier of pitchers (Bumgarner, Hamels before he signed, etc) and still had a strong pitching staff. I’m not faulting players for getting what they can, but that contract for Stras is insane. I may be wrong, but I just don’t look at him and think he is a top 3 pitcher. DeGrom looks like he got fleeced at this point. Verlander too. Cole now has all the leverage to get even more.
If I’m the Yankees I make a final strong offer and tell him good luck. There’s no reason to put yourself in the hole for that long for one player. If they didn’t have Stanton I may think differently, but they do.
Cole will probably get a record setting 10/ 35 million per year deal with several opt out years and deferred money. Regardless in 5 years this will seem like chump change. Some player will soon get 400 million if agents and owners get way too greedy and tv contracts get out of hand. Soon peanuts will cost $15.00 and a hot dog will cost $10.00. A regular nose bleed seat will cost $200.00.
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NY Fan-And the sport of baseball will continue to descend as the national pastime since it priced itself out of the entertainment arena.
It is bad enough to only have about a dozen teams who can actually win a WS.It is bad enough to have three hour games as a minimum.It is bad enough to consider robots for umpires.
But it will be priced into oblivion if people start having less money to spend on frivolities.
Boras calls Heyman and says this is what you’ll tweet. Jon: “Yes Scott. Do you want to spellcheck it first?”
Why not a billion and really drive up the market prices?
MC Tim C
Signing ANY pitcher for 8 to 10 years is crazy for so many reasons. Signing a 29 year year old pitcher for that long should be worthy of an instant firing. Cole is a great pitcher. He deserves to get paid. No way I go more than 6 years if I’m a team signing him though.
Hope the Angels move on and wisely spend $300m on 3-5 players….that is WAY too much to pay for 1 player who impacts 30 games a season(not inc playoffs)
It’s more worth it for a premium starting pitcher than it is for a position player. A position player occupies only 1/9 of the lineup, and that’s if he plays every day. A SP occupies between 1/5 and 1/4 of a starting rotation. And like you said it’s 30 games a year. 30 games swinging from mostly losses to mostly wins could be the difference between a below .500 team and a playoff team. The question is: is Cole the guy? Does he deserve Kershaw money? But the great pitchers appear to be bigger difference makers at winning than the great position players.
Cole should get 7 years at 260 mil
300 is not realistic… no pitcher is worth that much.. I think A mil a start for 7 years is just fine
The baseball world is losing its mind!
Paying that much for a pitcher is foolish business. I realize that pitching wins championships but man they also break down a whole lot more often then position players. Let me rephrase that maybe they don’t break down more it’s just when they do breakdown it’s much higher percentage chance that it requires surgery and one to two years to recover and play again. It really looks like Cole is going to get 8/300 at least man id pass on that nonsense.
I say 45 a year/5-9 years.
9/$324 is kind of ridiculous. If a team is willing to do that, more power to them I guess. I think they would be absolutely crazy…but more power…
There is a good chance that there is going to be a strike after the 2021 season when the current CBA ends. Too many low market teams are suffering from this outrageous contracts to ticket prices to the cost of buying the tv packages.
Small markets aren’t suffering. The owners are pocketing the money.
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Proof- I just saw a news release that said that all owners,even those of the large market teams,are pocketing the money.
Pity the poor players because they are paid peanuts.
Who can live on $30M per year.
Everyone is making lots and lots of money.
This is going to end soooo badly for a team.
My Halos need pitching but there is no way they should have done the Strasburg deal and they would need to be insane to do the projected Cole deal.
We are almost clear of one franchise crippling contract. DO NOT start a new one.
I agree. Cole and Strasburg will not live up to these contracts.
I wouldn’t touch either one of them.
“America wants Gerrit Cole. You know why? He keeps America great. Important people come to me and ask about Gerrit. I tell them he’s great! He’s so great, you’re going to be tired of it.”
In other news, water is still, in fact, wet.
45 years, $400 million. Yankees. Mark it down.
Too low on the AAV…
As a lifelong NYY fan:
yeah, later for that noise
Would’ve been great but Boras can kiss my whole entire @ss after this bait & switch.
Seriously hope they don’t sit him for a penny more than the “leaked” $245/7
Feels like that “Yanks offered Cole 7/$245M” story from yesterday was Boras raising Strasburg’s price which would also raise Cole’s price. If that’s true, it has worked.thus far.
Yankees general manager Brian Cashman is “coming with the offer for Cole today.
Since December 1st
The Angels, an organization with zero direction. Close to getting rid of one of the worst contracts in MLB history to sign another….. This team has Trout and and and nothing else PERIOD
Like it or not thin skinned Halo clowns, the scoreboard and standings do not lie.
Don’t mind HaloShane. He’s just been the inner-cynic of most Angel fans on this site for years running now.
Ohtani is nothing????
Completely agree with you. Total asinine move to go all in on one SP. Signing Cole won’t get this team to the postseason, not when the other 4 starters in your rotation are average at best. They would have been better off pursuing Wheeler and 1 or 2 other FA pitchers.
Unpopular opinion. The mariners contend before the angels do. Dead serious.
Does that mean theYll be leading the west by the All star break? Are we talking about the same Seattle Mariners franchise… ahaha
Drunk and Stupid is no way to go thru life.
DUDE CALM DOWN.
CBA is getting negotiated in 2021.
If the Angels wanted too go for it, they’d land Cole and Ryu and push that salad cap. Like you said, Pujols and Cozart are coming off the books.
Oh god Moreno is involved. Someone please stop him before he cripples the franchise financially again.
For 325 million they’d be better off getting two starters and a position player. I think it would better advance their goal of postseason play.
RyÅn W Krol
Upper management is always involved depending on how active the owner is. Some organizations it’s the owner (Yankees, Angels), others it’s the President of Baseball Operations (Dodgers, Cubs)..
Gerrit Cole Seeking League Minimum Contract
If he wants a ring he’s goes to nyy. If he wants money he goes to Anaheim. That’s the god honest truth. Cole gives the one starter. They need 3 more.
The yanks are the yanks. I don’t think cole alone gives any one team a better shot than the teams that don’t sign him. See 2019 WS.
Don’t think so….if he wants the money and the ring he comes to the Yankees if the choice is between the Angels and the Yankees….The Angels know that if he commands the kind of money that has been discussed tonight, and if Moreno has to pay that to sign him, he will not be able to address any of the other player needs the Angels have and boy they have lots more than just acquiring 1 player even if that’s Cole. The AL West if stacked above them with the Astros and the A’s and even Cole doesn’t draw them anywhere close to even with those 2 clubs.
“If he wants money he goes to Anaheim.” If NY WANTS him, they’ll be the highest bidder. And it seems to me the NY REALLY WANTS him.
The Angels are a lot closer to a ring than people think if they get Cole.
RyÅn W Krol
A ring can easily come to Anaheim out of this. This is baseball. Not basketball.
if they sign cole between he and trout that 3/4 of a BILLION dollars in two players,,not even counting pujols..lol,,the angels are and would still be very far from a ring. if he wants the payday he goes to anaheim,,if he wants to win a WS and get paid he goes to NY, plain and simple,,with cole your talking the makings of a dynasty level type team,,the angels can not say that. we will see if all that talk about winning and having a great team around him is true or BS.
You guys act the Angels only option to acquire SP is signing one. They can trade for one or two
I agree Halo Honk. Plus, this contract would not be about 2020, it’s about putting together a sustainable run of successful years. The Astros are going to be impacted by their scandal and Oakland’s success is cyclical because of their payroll. Texas is coming around but still has a ways to go. Seattle is a science experiment thx to Dr. Dipoto. The Angel’s know this is a prime time to build a consistent contender.
The money is going to be there, this will boil down to where Cole wants to play. I say he goes out west. I would love to see the Angels give Trout a shot. Cole and Ohtani could be a nice duo at top of that rotation. Yuck the Fankees!
Yes, and Yuck you too! There isn’t any rotation beyond Ohtani and so far he’s given the Angels what 10 starts and 51 innings…not exactly Cy Young type numbers wouldn’t you agree……and I wouldn’t exactly count on 200 innings and 32 starts just yet either as he many be a bit fragile trying to go both ways.
Acquiring Cole would be a waste just like having Trout is on that team. There’s no way the Angels challenge the A’s let alone the Astros.
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Yankees don’t have much of a rotation either. That’s why it’s Angels vs. Yankees for Cole right now.
lamo,,severino,,paxton, german, and tanaka is high and above what the angels currently have,,that NY rotation pitched quite well all season and the bullpens aren’t even close. your delusional.
Except everyone you mentioned has either has arm issues or an era over 4 lol…yankees will get spanked by astros again next year too with or without trash cans.
Series Sweep is “spanked”
Agree to disagree… at least we agree on “mindless”
trout a shot at what? not making the playoffs for the 9th straight season? winning another BS MVP award? cole doesn’t put you over the top or even close,,like i said before that would be 3/4 of a billion dollars in two players,,they have many holes to fill and where does that money come from?
Have 70 million this year 100 next year and 130 the year after….signed new tv deal and lease in oc they have plenty of money. You sound like a typical yankee idiot, the worst fan base in all of sports outside of the pats.
The Angels can have him!
I’m never crazy about giving out large long term contracts especially to SP (once every 5 days)
I’m feeling it’s like a 30% chance we land Cole.
I called the Yankees the favorite from the start. It feel a lot like 08 in that since. So..
Cashman cancelled speaking to the media and Yankees trying hard to dump Happ.
Lets not fit that Angels jersey on Mr Cole yet
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Remember, if the Angels lose out on Cole you still got MadBum and Keuchel, both of which they can sign, at way lower cost.
If I was Cole I’d Ho us all and sign with the New England Patriots to be backup QB.
Why is everyone hating on baseball’s salaries? None of the players in MLB is touching Lebron’s $40mil a year contract! Baseball plays a much more grueling schedule than the NBA but still even the biggest stars can’t hit the salaries the the NBA is passing out! Hell some football players are bumping $40mil yearly and only play 16 games a year! It’s about time MLB caught up with other sports as far as salaries are concerned.
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Freak-Let’s think about this.Basketball has a five player team and 14 total on the roster.Their minor league is basically the colleges.
Football has a 62 man roster but half make about the minimum wage and most only play for three or four years.Only the quarterbacks make really big money for long periods.Their minor league is the colleges.
Baseball on the other hand is way different.There are many more expenses involved.
The rate of injury in baseball now does not seem to be all that much worse than in football now.
Players should get as much money as they can.But don’t cry poor for them.
I hope its NL so Soto can take gim yard twice a year.
Some of you keep saying if the Angels sign Cole for $30M+ a year they can do little else. Since the end of the season they’ve rid themselves of $34M. Then after 2021 Pujols $34M is gone( btw signing AP got the Angels a huge TV deal. . Arte will be raking in money from his Anaheim deal regarding the Stadium in a few years A pitcher like this doesn’t come around too often. Still young. Great arsenal of pitches.They have a farm system that’s finally going to start producing. Signing Cole also weakens The Astros So it’s time. Arte needs to start acting like a owner of a MLB team in the #2 market.
Red Sox reliever Sam “Mayday” Malone tried to make a comeback in his early 40s and he only ended up getting pants-ed.
Cole is 29, which is young, but 30 is too old. MLB has become a guy in LA with a lot of money looking for a girlfriend. So much can go wrong with a nine year contract. Every position has a different peak age. Even Mike Trout will probably only be worth 4 or 5 WAR during the last year of his contract. The owners will do almost anything to avoid a strike.
The Yanks want to win the offseason, and I totally get it. That’s a stacked team that needs an ace. But $300 mil is crazy town. I fully admit that maybe Cole gets them into and can win a WS, so that’d be worth it. But so much luck beyond an ace is involved in winning it all, and that contract could be crippling long term. Remember, three years ago this dude was expendable. Not sure I believe the next 8-10 years are sustainable. That said, I’d want him on my team for sure, every day. Happy bidding NY and Cali.
whoever runs the office of California State taxes hopes he signs somewhere in the state!
At the risk of repeating what’s already been said, it’s a safe bet Cole gets more than Stras and long contracts are rarely beneficial for the life of the contract.
Is it stupid to offer Cole a much higher AAV with less years … like $200/5?
If Boras balked on that … he’d most likely express his indignation … I’d follow up and ask “what’s up buttercup; feeling like he won’t be worth all that money after 5 years but you want a team to commit to paying $100M+ for additional years?”
Cashman has Judge and Torres to lock up. He has Betances to consider. There’s a lot to weigh here for the team’s foreseeable future.
Sure they can afford him, but there’s a huge payroll increase coming even after possibly signing 1 player for $300M
… and the MLB Welfare System has multiplied the level of wanting to avoid a historic payroll
Cole is not taking 5/ 200.
He wouldnt take 4/200.
This is his last contact is his mind, hes getting as much money as possible, whether it 8, 9 or 10 years is pretty much irrelevant and just book keeping.
Let the Angels give him 9 years, the chances of him living up to that contract is so minimal and can seriously hurt your chances in the future.
Yeah, I was thinking logically; my bad lol
I’m not going to lie and say “it’s not all about the money” … but if I can get $40/year from a team with a NYY lineup & bullpen and insane marketability for my brand?
Yankees to offer Cole 7/245M.
When it’s been a week already. Nothing new here in Yankee land. Believe it when he’s signed!
not just the players! if boras gets a mega deal for cole along with the strasburg deal…look at his commission!!!
What if LA was sleeping on Cole and trades for Kris Bryant. They don’t necessarily need another SP and could benefit from another strong bat in the lineup.
I’d take Kris Bryant over the options of long-term Rendon contract and four-year deal for Donaldson, which it looks like right now. Question is if Cubs want too much for him.