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Trey Mancini, Orioles Have Not Yet Discussed Extension

By Anthony Franco | December 1, 2019 at 6:18pm CDT

Orioles’ first baseman/corner outfielder Trey Mancini addressed his future with reporters this afternoon. While Mancini reiterated his desire to remain in Baltimore, the organization has not yet approached him about an extension, he said (via Rich Dubroff of Baltimore Baseball). Nevertheless, Mancini added that he’s “pretty confident” he won’t be traded this offseason, although he acknowledged that’s hardly within his control (via Joe Trezza of MLB.com).

There are myriad options for GM Mike Elias and the rest of the front office to take with Mancini. There are plausible cases for the organization to lock him up long-term or to move him this offseason. Alternatively, there needn’t be a mandate on the organization’s part to commit to anything just yet. Mancini, 28 in March, is entering his first year of arbitration and won’t be eligible for free agency until after 2022. Projected for a reasonable $5.7MM salary, the Orioles could simply elect to tender Mancini a contract and plug him back into the middle of the lineup next season.

There are reasons why it makes some sense to be decisive now, though. Last year, Mancini slashed .291/.364/.535 with 35 home runs. He was easily the Orioles’ best hitter, and he finished tied for 30th among qualifiers with a 132 wRC+. That outpaced the fine but unexciting work Mancini did at the plate over his first two-plus MLB seasons. He entered 2019 with a career .268/.319/.458 slash, hardly remarkable for a bat-first player.

If the Orioles’ front office expects Mancini to regress towards his career norms, the time could be right to move him. The free agent market for first basemen isn’t particularly robust, and it stands to reason Mancini will never have more trade value than he does right now. Even if he continues to hit well next season, he’ll inch closer to free agency. His high home run and RBI totals figure to run up a pricey arbitration tag in the coming years, too. With the Orioles almost sure to be noncompetitive again in 2020, perhaps Mancini’s peak years ought be spent outside of Baltimore.

On the other hand, there’s value to having quality players around, even at the lowest depths of a rebuild. Mancini’s a likable and productive player. Moving him would certainly be a tough pill for some fans to swallow. (Of course, that didn’t stop the Orioles from waiving Jonathan Villar, Mancini’s only competition for Baltimore’s best player, earlier this week in a cost-cutting move). Mancini is also young enough to potentially be a part of Baltimore’s next competitive club, especially if he continues to be willing to work out a long-term arrangement. Bat-first players haven’t generated particularly exciting returns in trade the past few seasons. It’s certainly possible that Baltimore could have trouble finding an offer sufficient to part with their most recognizable player. If that indeed proves to be the case, there could be value to engaging with him on an extension.

A new contract would at the very least give both player and organization some cost certainty moving forward. As noted, Mancini’s skillset tends to be more highly-regarded by arbitrators than by current MLB front offices. The Orioles might prefer to lock in Mancini’s salary for the next few years rather than risk exorbitant arbitration awards, particularly if the player is willing to forfeit a would-be free agent year or two. Today’s news that the organization has yet to approach Mancini hardly precludes them from doing so at a later date this offseason.

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  1. krillin89

    6 years ago

    Would love for the Braves to get him. Of course, it would depend on the package it took to get him. He would be an upgrade over Duvall/Markakis and could spell Freddie if needed

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    • Old User Name

      6 years ago

      So would I. Really I just want to get him out of the ALE. He plays like Mike Trout against the Yankees.

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        Nick Castellanos gets bashed for his D. Which you know is well deserved. I’m not arguing that point at all. But what I am saying is that Trey Mancini is Nick Castellanos on the outfield grass—With a weaker arm. He works very hard but he doesn’t have the speed nor arm strength to be an everyday outfielder. I think teams see that and its putting a damper on any potential deal. Unlike Castellanos, Mancini is a capable 1B. It’s just that most contenders aren’t looking for one of those.

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        • krillin89

          6 years ago

          Those are some solid points

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        • Old User Name

          6 years ago

          I’m somewhat biased on this considering how well Mancini plays against the Yankees.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          I’m an orioles fan. So I understand. I really like Mancini. He’s by far the most watchable player we have on the field right now. But I’m just being realistic here.

          The type of player he is isn’t valued the way it was 10 years ago. Whether that is right or wrong is another argument entirely. But I don’t know if it even makes sense for the Orioles to trade him given what the market is for bat only guys. It almost makes more sense to try to pursue some sort of extension. He’s a popular player. I’m sure he’s smart enough to know that a guarantee wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.

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        • Pingleja

          6 years ago

          I think he’d take something like a 5 year 60M deal. I heard him say in an interview he was a big fan of staying in Baltimore, I think both could benefit from having a deal like that.

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        • Priggs89

          6 years ago

          “Unlike Castellanos, Mancini is a capable 1B.”

          What are you basing this on? The fact that Castellanos has never played 1B? Because I’d be willing to bet he’s every bit as capable at the very least… He wasn’t a good 3B, but he did spend substantial time on the infield dirt until the 2018 season. I’d have to imagine the only reason he has never played 1B is because he’s been on teams where the position was pretty much locked in… I’d like his odds of being an OK 1B better than Mancini’s.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Maybe because Trey Mancini has been a 1B for his entire college and professional career? Maybe? I don’t know

          Or the fact that Nick Castellanos had brutal range at 3rd when he played there. I mean Castellanos might be a decent 1B. It’s hard to say. His best asset is his arm and that doesn’t get much use at 1B. You also don’t have to teach Trey how to play 1B because you know like I said he’s been a 1B for a long time. I don’t think that was really a statement to analyze at all. That wasn’t really the point of that comment to begin with.

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        • Priggs89

          6 years ago

          That’s fine. But that has absolutely nothing to do with Castellanos not being a capable 1B.

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          “I don’t know”.

          No truer words said. Well done. What Priggs said was the first thing any real baseball fan would ask. Delete your account.

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      • Eatdust666

        6 years ago

        Yeah, he’s really killing the Yankees, just like Chris Davis did when he was actually good. I hate to say this because I’m also a Yankees fan.

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  2. mike156

    6 years ago

    I’m still wrapping my head around the Viillar move. Hard to see how Baltimore couldn’t “buy” a couple of prospects by going to arb with Villar, then trading him with some cash to lower the out of pocket for the acquirer. Either they know something about him/his health, or they can’t stomach the idea of including any cash in a deal.

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  3. notagain27

    6 years ago

    Who would you rather have, Mancini or Castellanos?

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    • Johhos

      6 years ago

      Mancini

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    • Eatdust666

      6 years ago

      I know the Orioles would never trade him to the Yankees, but if I had to choose, Mancini, because they have less of a need at first than the outfield, though he can play both.

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        6 years ago

        He’s not a good fit for the Yankees unless they can spin him on a three-team trade. Yankees’ OF and 1B are set.

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    • cygnus2112

      6 years ago

      Castellanos.

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  4. Thomas Bliss

    6 years ago

    Trade him and Bundy to the White Sox for a package not involving Andrew Vaughn.

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    • Pingleja

      6 years ago

      I don’t think they’d do it in Baltimore unless it includes Vaughn. They don’t have as many high end spects they’re willing to give up otherwise. Kopech Madrigal and Robert are off limits, Vaughn pretty much is too. Significant fall off after that.

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      • Thomas Bliss

        6 years ago

        We just trade a bunch. Carson Fulmer and Blake Rutherford. Than build around that. Maybe a catcher prospect.

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        • Pingleja

          6 years ago

          I don’t know if you could get Bundy for them

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        • Thomas Bliss

          6 years ago

          That’s just a start.

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          6 years ago

          That won’t get Bundy? Allow me to remind you of how uninspiring Bundy’s production has been. His ERA 4.73 / FIP 4.79 makes him ar best a back end rotation piece. The 2018 season he was worse and even lead the league in home runs allowed.

          Baltimore isnt going to get a much better package than what Mr. Bliss there is describing.

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        • Pingleja

          6 years ago

          Rutherford isn’t hitting in AA as a 22 year old, Fulmer isn’t any better, wouldn’t have ever been in the league if he wasn’t on the white Sox.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          That package he proposed for Mancini and Bundy.
          If you’re sending the Orioles complete garbage back they’d just keep them. Bundy isn’t going to fetch much but they aren’t going to be traded for 2 pretty much busted prospects.

          Im not sure we’d trade Bundy for Fulmer and Rutherford alone. Pretty sure the O’s would target one of your early round selections from last season + another back half top 30 guy. Maybe a Rutherford as a 2nd piece. Though I think his star is pretty much dimmed. Obviously With Mancini that package is a joke.

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  5. PiratesFan1981

    6 years ago

    This is a guy that Baltimore Orioles should build their franchise around for the next 5 years. If I was the Orioles, I’d lock him up until the 2024 season. Then build pieces around him to contend for the division and playoff picture. As it stands, Tampa Bay, New York, and Boston seem to have their hands on the wheel of that division. But that doesn’t mean a 4th team can’t add to the excitement of one of the toughest divisions in all of baseball. West Coast teams are starting to catch up in being a tough division. NL west is becoming a powerhouse like the AL East is.

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    • NewYorkSoxFan

      6 years ago

      It’d be nice if the O’s could at least put a respectable team out there. The division has the typical contenders (Yanks/Sox) an up and coming Jays team and then… The worst team in baseball. Definitely doesn’t help playing those teams mentioned a lot but they’re really trying to build from the ground up.

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  6. bobtillman

    6 years ago

    This isn’t an either/or type situation; you don’t HAVE to extend Boom Boom. And he’s not the kind of guy whose exactly going to bring back a boatload of prime prospects. He really isn’t an OFer; the power numbers may be Camden/ Super Ball (which may be going away) influenced; nothing on the bases; even his defense at 1B is meh at best.

    That said, he’s a good soldier on a team that’s a little painful to watch. In that sense, he reminds of Longoria during the dreary Rays days. If you extend him, you may be forced into a Longo-type situation, begging a team just to take the financials. And it ain’t like the O’s are broke.

    Keep him, wait for someone through injury to REALLY need him, or hope that his numbers actually improve (doubtful, IMHO). In the meantime, pay the guy what he’s due the next 3 years, and go from there.

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    • southbeachbully

      6 years ago

      @bobtillman

      Manicini’s road OPS (.906) is higher than his home (.891).

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      • bobtillman

        6 years ago

        An absolutely earth shattering differential…..

        I think he did get a couple of wind blown doubles at the Tropicana Dome…..

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        • southbeachbully

          6 years ago

          @bobtillman

          You implied his numbers were aided by the stadium meaning a significant home/road differential. I simply mentioned it’s not true and provided the numbers.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Yeah I don’t understand the point of Bob’s response there at all.

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  7. gorav114

    6 years ago

    The Orioles just don’t do very many extensions for some reason. They should lock him up at least buyout a couple FA years.

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  8. bravesfan

    6 years ago

    Wonder if the Braves would make a push for him…? Maybe a deal that takes Markasis back to his old stomping grounds? Obviously it would take more but something to consider ya

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  9. Hack Wilson

    6 years ago

    2years at 5.7 million is the deal for a team looking for an everyday bat and on base pt DH/1B. The White Sox have catchers galore now that Grandal’s in the house. Include Carlos Rodon and a PTBNL the Oroiels need James McCann.

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  10. astrosfansince1974

    6 years ago

    Why would the Orioles be in a hurry to extend such an ordinary player? Isn’t he just another slow-moving DH-type?

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    • astrosfansince1974

      6 years ago

      Yes he has power but can what else does he provide? He had his career year in the best year for home runs ever.

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