The Yankees’ rotation took a beating Tuesday with the loss of ace-caliber right-hander Luis Severino, who will undergo Tommy John surgery and miss the entire season. This will essentially end up as the second straight lost year for Severino, who starred from 2017-18 before tossing just 12 innings last season on account of shoulder and lat injuries. The Yankees did just fine in Severino’s absence in 2019, winning 103 games and the AL East title, but the latest development on the 26-year-old is no doubt horrible news for the club. That’s especially true when considering the Yankees will open 2020 without left-hander James Paxton, either their third- or fourth-best starter, as he’ll be out until sometime in May or June after undergoing a back procedure three weeks ago.
In an ideal world, the Yankees would have began the year with Severino, Paxton, Masahiro Tanaka and J.A. Happ complementing Gerrit Cole. But they’re now left to choose from some combination of Jordan Montgomery, Jonathan Loaisiga, Deivi Garcia, Luis Cessa, Mike King, Chad Bettis and Nick Tropeano to fill out their rotation. That’s obviously assuming the Yankees stay in-house to address their issues. Free agency’s just about empty at this point, as general manager Brian Cashman suggested Tuesday when he said, “The winter marketplace this time of year, it doesn’t exist.” Finding a solution via trade at this juncture doesn’t seem much more likely, considering Cashman indicated he expects to rely on internal options to replace Severino and Paxton, but the Yankees are better off trying that route if they want to make a high-upside play before the season.
Admittedly, most (or all) of the below names probably aren’t available at the moment. Nevertheless, let’s explore some enticing starters the Yankees could potentially acquire in the coming weeks or at least consider taking a look at around the July trade deadline…
- Jon Gray, RHP, Rockies: Colorado’s of the belief (delusion?) that it’s going to push for a playoff spot this season, making it unlikely Gray will go anywhere before then. But if the team flounders over the first few months of the campaign, he’s a candidate to end up on his way out. The 28-year-old has plenty of value as someone with two seasons of control left, not to mention an ultra-affordable $5.6MM salary in 2020. Gray averaged 96 mph on his fastball last year and notched a 3.84 ERA/4.06 FIP with 9.0 K/9, 3.36 BB/9 and a 50.4 percent groundball rate over 150 innings.
- Chris Archer, RHP, Pirates: Pittsburgh probably won’t win anything this year or next (Archer’s last two seasons of control), so it would make sense to listen to offers. However, the team may prefer to keep the 31-year-old for now in hopes that he rebuilds his value after a nightmarish season and a half in its uniform. Archer turned in an awful 5.19 ERA/5.02 FIP with a career-worst 4.14 BB/9 in 119 2/3 innings last year. On the bright side, he fanned almost 11 hitters per nine, continued to average around 94 mph on his fastball and was much more effective in the second half of the season. And for what it’s worth, Archer has shown he can flourish in the Yankees’ division, the AL East, where he pitched from 2012-18 with the Rays.
- Matthew Boyd, LHP, Tigers: Boyd has been a popular name in the rumor mill for quite some time, but the Tigers haven’t traded him because they’ve apparently placed an exorbitant asking price on the southpaw. That’s understandable with Boyd under control through 2022 and due a reasonable $5.3MM this season. At the same time, they seemingly haven’t worked to extend Boyd, so perhaps a trade will come together sometime this year. All that said, preventing runs has never been Boyd’s strongest suit. He posted a sterling 11.56 K/9 with a 2.43 BB/9 a season ago, but he still ran up a 4.56 ERA/4.32 FIP and continued a trend of logging low groundball percentages (35.6).
- Caleb Smith, LHP, Marlins: Smith was already a Yankee once, but they traded him to the Marlins in a 2017 deal that netted them the aforementioned King. Although Smith was unproven at the time, he has turned into a decent piece for Miami. Dating back to 2018, Smith has pitched to a 4.41 ERA/4.73 FIP with 9.99 K/9, 3.63 BB/9 and an unsightly 26 percent grounder rate. Those certainly aren’t great numbers, though the fact that he has four years of control (including one more pre-arbitration season) helps make him pretty valuable. While the Marlins are still a ways from competing for a playoff spot, they’ve not shown a willingness to trade the 28-year-old Smith thus far.
- Yu Darvish, RHP, Cubs: The Cubs were supposed to shake things up this offseason, partly in an effort to cut payroll, but they haven’t made any substantial trades yet. Getting rid of the four years and $81MM left on Darvish’s contract would help them duck the dreaded luxury tax, and there has been some interest around the league in the 33-year-old since last season ended. The Yankees were rumored to be among the teams in on Darvish when he was a free agent after 2017, but that doesn’t mean they’d want him now. Moreover, Darvish has a full no-trade clause that he doesn’t intend to waive. That NTC will become a 12-teamer sometime during the year, though, so he won’t have total say on his future for much longer.
- Jose Quintana, LHP, Cubs: As with Darvish, moving Quintana would aid the Cubs in avoiding the tax, though it would also weaken their chances of competing in 2020. Quintana’s due $10.5MM this season, his last year of team control. The Yankees are familiar with Quintana, who belongs in the team’s “ones who got away” pile. He pitched in the Yankees’ minor league system several years back before blossoming into a quality starter with both Chicago teams.
Royals lefty Danny Duffy and Giants righties Jeff Samardzija and Johnny Cueto are among other veterans who may be attainable via trade, but there’s a good case the Yankees would be better off relying on internal arms than pushing for either. Even most of the other names listed come with obvious flaws, so it would be reasonable if Cashman would rather see what he has in the organization for now before doing anything drastic in an effort to make up for the losses of Severino and Paxton. Remember, along with Paxton, the Yankees should get suspended righty Domingo German by the summertime, leaving them with a couple in-house reinforcements. But if the Yankees’ starting staff falls short leading up the deadline, it figures to be a key area of focus for the Cashman-led World Series hopefuls, and any of the above names may wind up on their radar.
Archer for Clint Frazier. Archer has decent splits in Yankee stadium and if he’s healthy, he’ll be a solid back end starter. Can’t be worse than he was last season. Frazier takes over primary LF duties and Bryan Reynolds moves to CF.
No that’s actually not a bad swap. Archer knows what it takes to pitch in the AL East and the Yankees have plenty of OF depth
He knows what it takes but just can’t lol
Makes sense. They just paid a guy $324M that wasn’t very good in Pittsburgh aside from 1 year. If Cole is worth $324M, Archer must be worth at least $250M.
All kidding aside, I don’t believe the Yankees would see Archer down trending performance as potential. For me, Boyd makes the most sense from the list. He is a lefty, which would be beneficial in Yankee Stadium. His potential and upside is better than Archer’s.
@mgrap84
Actually, the Yankees DON’T have much outfield depth. Judge and Stanton already have injuries with Stanton possibly being unavailable to start the season. Hicks will miss all or most of 2020. That leaves Gardner, Tauchman and Frazier. Andujar might see time in the OF if he shows well in spring training games but that’s a long shot. Frazier should not be traded right now.
Agreed. I still believe Frazier can and will be extremely good, if he gets time to prove it. He made a few bad plays on D for sure, but he’s very athletic and can absolutely hit.
It was more than a few bad plays. He looked totally uncomfortable out there.
He might actually a pretty good middle or back of the end starter.
Pittsburg has characteristically been a horrible partner to try and trade with…they’ve always had the trade intentions of trying to “win the trade” rather than give to get….Huntington was a jerk of a GM as evidenced by the Cole trade to Houston for a couple of hot dogs and a bag of balls.
Let em swing in the wind with Archer.
Did you miss the Archer trade?
No
@rocky47
I look at the Cole trade, and the Marte trade, and the Archer trade, and wonder how Pittsburgh was trying to “win the trade.” Seems like they did a lot of giving.
Pirates have a new Pres. and a New GM (Ben Cherrinton) former Red Sox GM)
so Pirates could be open to a deal thst brings back younger players.
Agree
+stymee
Theyve been very difficult to work with when it comes to trades with the Yankees. They demanded Andujar and Torres+ for Cole from the Yankees but take Moran and Musgrove no problem from HOU.
but who knows what the plan was with the Archer trade haha
At the time, they traded for a SP with an ERA near the same that top pitching prospect they gave away had AND slapped on their top hitting prospect on top of that
Pittsburgh not Pittsburg
Glasnow, Meadows, and Baz say hello!
First thing Rocky, learn how to spell Pittsburgh.
I think you are the 1st person I seen on here that wants Frazier. Yankee fans always want to trade him for other teams best player. I don’t have anything against him. He doesn’t fit in NY plans and I don’t think other teams value him much or he would of been gone already. Archer is going to have a decent year. He will get a decent return at deadline if healthy. Prices are too high right now, I think NY is stuck with what it has. They knew they had some injury concerns so either what they have will be fine or Cashman failed miserably.
Yankees should keep Frazier. He can hit and they have 3 injured OFers already (Stanton, Judge, Hicks)
Frazier alone isn’t enough for Archer. He just doesn’t have that much value yet. I could make same argument of McKinney for Archer. Same player, not happening.
Didn’t they trade McKinney last year or the year before? Also, Archer doesn’t have much value. He hasn’t been good with the Pirates since he arrived and it looks even worse given what they gave up to get him. Frazier has shown he can hit major league pitching. His defense is certainly a little suspect, but I think Frazier for archer isn’t a bad deal unless they think archer will have a bounce back year which seems optimistic.
Frazier’s defense is a little suspect to say the least. He can not play defense and has an attitude problem. He is not a player that is a match for NL teams.
@hockeyjohn
Can we please get this “NL teams don’t want bat first players” narrative? While Castellano has been a better hitter thus far than Frazier, he and Adam Jones and Schwarber were lousy defenders.
We hear over and over again about his attitude problem…..He has no attitude problem except for what is being manufactured in the press…he’s a young ballplayer who is frustrated by not being able to consistently crack the starting lineup in the bigs, and hasn’t learned to keep his mouth shut around the press….the kid can hit and his lack of defense is constantly and consistently criticized by all….heck players like Castellanos and Schwarber are highly valued for their hitting ability and their defense is probably on a par with what we’ve seen so far from Frazier.
Frazier is probably worth more actually.
Agreed
Archer sucks, and value for value, Frazier does get it done.
You all try to dump Clint and everyone knows it
Sure he could be apart of a trade but have fun giving up some quality assets as well
No way Pirates touch Frazier.. they want high ceiling teenagers not 26 year old DH
With Searage out of the way, theres a good chance Archer has a great 1st half and will fetch a good return.
If not, then they can accept a bum like Frazier at that point
They wanted a starter and got Archer ….
@Freddy H
A starter with an ERA/FIP well over 5 last year who hasn’t pitched more than 150 IP in either of the last 2 years isn’t going to fetch you “high end prospects”.
And he will be 25 for most of the 2020 season as he doesn’t turn 26 until Sept 6th. He comes with 5 years of control and has shown some ability to hit major league pitching. He has his issues but let’s not act as if he wouldn’t make a 25 man roster on a few bad rebuilding teams.
And while he’s been mentioned in trades it’ doesn’t seem like Cashman is pushing a trade for him.
Screw that, archer hasn’t been good in years.
Probably will take Andujar and Frazier for Archer.
Yanks wouldn’t do that. Archer is so overrated
Archer is AT LEAST equivalent to Tanaka or Happ that you seem so confident in.
Not sure why you think Archer wouldnt be a great addition.
Yankees pitching is literal Doo Doo beyond the guy they just overpaid ..
Honestly Tanaka and especially Happ both looked toast last year.
Tanaka has become a #4 and Happ shouldn’t even be in the majors anymore
I think Yankees are so focused on filling the 4-5, that they forget they dont have 2-3
Quintana makes sense but I don’t think the Yankees would have what the Cubs would want.
What would they want for a back of the rotation inning eater?
prospects?
@RoyalsFanAmongWolves
Yankees have plenty of interesting prospects even if they aren’t on many top 100 lists. It depends on what positions the Cubs are interested in filling. But a $10 mil back of rotation starter shouldn’t come with a high asking price, especially if the Yanks eat all of the contract.
Johnny Cueto
Legit best suggestion of the day. Kudos. A lot.
I had the same thought. Giants would probably eat a significant portion of his salary and trade him for a couple of lottery ticket type prosects. Yankees have the league’s biggest farm system so they have volume in the minors
Where the heck did you hear that the Yankees have the biggest farm system? Are you just a biased fan because every ranking I see has them outside the top 15?
Yankees farm is terrible right now.
Its not the best but its not terrible either. Their upper minors is drained but their lower minors is in decent shape. They rank somewhere in the middle of the pack
Yanks farm is garbage.
Pretty sure he means biggest in volume cause they have the most minor league teams? Probably?
the yankees have a very good farm right now, only casuals say otherwise.
Correct. When the news about contraction of minor league teams came out, it was reported that the Yankees have the most MiLB teams. Thus they have the most minor leaguers.
No they don’t and if you see the prospects that they have sent to other teams it is not a wonder that teams would be skeptical about trading with them now. The prospect hype is real when using only internal top 30 ranks and the Yankees franchise label
@You know what this is called? Intimidation.
Your logic is crazy. Any team that uses an external top 30 prospect list is a GM that needs to be fired. You DO realize that teams don’t create org top 30 lists right? Or certainly they aren’t for public consumption. Every player traded was traded to a team that felt the player has value. Fans really lack a true understanding of how scouts and GMs evaluate players. In the real world they don’t turn to Baseball America to figure out who to target. Also, we need to understand that plenty of mlb stars were never on a top 100 list.. It’s for use by fans but the info allegedly comes from the list maker talking to scouts and GMs.
This -> “The prospect hype is real when using only internal top 30 ranks and the Yankees franchise label” is just stupid and any team’s personnel tasked with evaluating another team’s farm system should be fired if he’s relying on a top 30 org list made by a writer or if influenced by the Yankee brand.
A GM can “talk up” a prospect that they are willing to trade but every GM does that. Why wouldn’t they act as if they value “prospect” A regardless if they want to keep them or trade them.
I mostly meant the fans anyway, so, thanks?
Jason Vargas is still available as a free agent. Yanks could do worse.
David Price!
He’s like a whiny Chris Archer.
Why do they immediately target sorta high cost big impact guys. If the yanks wanted to get most of these guys they could have already done it. I think lower cost possibly some better options are out there for them, including their own farm
“Why do they immediately target sorta high cost big impact guys.”‘
Uh, ’cause it’s an article about the Yankees.
“If the yanks wanted to get most of these guys they could have already done it. ”
…did you skip the first paragraph/completely tune out the last couple days of Yankees news?
“I think lower cost possibly some better options are out there for them, including their own farm”
Like…?
They would immediately target big impact guys because they just lost a big impact guy. If your steak falls off the plate you don’t substitute it with dog food do you?
Because Severino wasn’t known to be out until 24ish hours ago?
Everyone relax on the trade targets already. Grief can we get to opening day already. Paxton coming back, German coming back. Just chill. Cashman not making a trade for any of these dudes nor a trade before memorial day.
Talking months on those 2 returning.
Paxton may not return at all or be effective upon return.
German is out 2+ months and likewise might not be effective without the juice.
Outside opinion, but other than Cole their rotation is in bad shape.
Happ was horrendous last season and Tank is a bottom of the rotation kind of guy.
Will basically have one ace and four 5s
Well you showed how much you know about the yanks. Would you care to explain what “juice” you are speaking of in regards to German?
I’ll wait.
I think he meant Orange Juice.
Thanks sorry. Thought German was SUSP for juice.
Turns out hes just a scumbag wifebeater who shouldn’t be in the league period.
I’m not a Yankees fan but like their lineup a lot and liked their starting rotation a lot too before injuries. Two months is a long time and even if Paxton and German come back strong the Yankees starters have just as good of odds of being hurt as any other team going forward. Paxton and German being far from locks and knowing they are both already slated to miss a good chunk already I believe Cashmans is simply posturing. They didn’t sign Cole to come into 20 this vulnerable they did it because they looked to be a playoff lock and among the WS favorites. Don’t see them sitting back and watching internal options try to keep them afloat
Eggggzactly.
Yankees have one of the worst rotations in baseball even after signing Cole
Collin McHugh should at least get a call
If injuries are what the Yankees want to avoid then McHugh should not be in that directory
Oh and Avila had the nerve to ask Cashman for Gleyber for Boyd last year hahahaha. Take him and Tigers off the list
No problem with Avila asking for the moon. It’s his job as a GM to try and fleece other teams. Kudos to the Yankees for not giving it up. Unless you think outside chance Boyd helps them beat the Astros last year…
Rj the purpose of a trade is to help BOTH teams
Rj, sorry
Not really
the problem with Avila asking for the moon is that he was so unreasonable that he didnt get a deal. Its not like keeping Boyd helps the Tigers. So if anything, Avila shoots himself in the foot by highballing as much as he did with Boyd.
@ Benjamin
How does trading Boyd help the Tigers? If they trade him, then they need to replace him. What did the Yanks offer? It could have been just as ridiculous.
Avila had no reason to trade Boyd..unless it was for the moon. Put yourself in his position. What is he seeking for? Boyd like players. Young, cheap, controllable, and productive players. He doesn’t want to trade an efficient-affordable south paw for anything less than an above lateral move. The trade market for LHP’s compared to SS’s is not the same (I’m not saying Torres for Boyd is fair, but justifying AA)
+stymee
It helps the Tigers because they need prospects. They arent going anywhere near the playoffs anytime soon by keeping him. Trading him away hurts the Tigers in the short run but helps the Tigers in the long run where theyll actually have a chance to win. They arent winning anything in the short run. Keeping him helps the Tigers none in the short (since the end result would be the same) and long run.
Baseball 101
+Bob
Yes he does, Avila needs to build for the future. Boyd is also 29, i wouldnt call that young. If Avila can trade Boyd for a lateral move that that helps the team 3-4 years from now its a win on his end. The Tigers will win with or without him. Its pointless to keep him.
*Tigers will not win with or without him
So if they’re not going to win with or without him..what is the entire point of this conversation? DET is not NY farm system. At the time of the trade deadline Boyd was 28 with 4+ years of control. Boyd is/was a young established starter with controllable years. Exactly what DET is looking for. And yes it says Gleyber, but who knows what other names were mention.
I don’t blame him for not trading Boyd for less than an established players. But, that’s entirely my opinion just as you have yours. I’m just explaining his thought process for the fans who find It so troubling.
Totally agree, people want an established 2 or 3 with 3 years of control for a couple lotto tickets… I wouldnt do that either.
+Bob
I didnt say anything about DET just giving up Boyd to NYY for nothing. Also, while 28-29is not very old, its not young either. Especially in terms of a pitcher.
The point of the conversation, because you somehow missed it, was that Avila made a mistake by highballing teams as much as he did with Boyd, considering how keeping Boyd wont change the teams outcome in the short run and does nothing for the long run but trading him for prospects could help the team out in the long run. He can still trade Boyd and get a decent return, but Boyd was at max value last season and Avila couldnt capitalize because he asked teams for too much.
If he doesnt trade Boyd for “less than established players” then theyll just lose with Boyd for 3 years and then when he is no longer as good and he on a new team they would have gotten no use of out him that helps the team. If they trade him for prospects they have a chance for those prospects to become good, cheap, and controllable players for when their window to win arises. A very simple concept of baseball management that I am surprised that I have to explain.
You see Boyd at the height of his production, Avila doesn’t. Your view of a decent return and his view of a decent return is obviously different. If they extend him they don’t lose out on anything. I’m just explaining his thought process, it’s not erroneous just like yours isn’t.
How long are they going to extend the 29 year old career 4.92 ERA guy who in his best year put up an ERA+ of 105? Till he is 40 and throwing a 5-6 ERA?
They lost out on max return of prospects by not trading him at the deadline before he got exposed in the second half of the season. It literally hurts the Tigers to not trade him because, again, they arent going anywhere by keeping him.
Okay. Maybe you should just tell yourself, ‘Detroit doesn’t/didn’t want to trade Boyd.. Unless it was for a significantly better return. Maybe DET likes Boyd and what he brings to the team’. Why that so hard to accept and fathom is absolutely bewildering. How you calculate Boyd compared to others is not the same. Idk how else to break it down.
Not buying that Avila made a mistake. Teams were “lowballing him” on Boyd, Avila and Tigers are in the “drivers seat” on Boyd.
Boyd is “breaking out” and is expected to get even better.
MLB.com lists Boyd as one of 2020’s “dark horse Cy Young Award candidates”.
Avila can “ride it out” with Boyd….
Let him have a great 1st half in 2020 and make the All Star team…watch his value climb.
Any team wanting Boyd at the 2020 trade deadline will have to step up and make a compelling offer.
Tigers have slashed payroll in their rebuild.
Boyd only makes 6M.
Tigers/Avila can “play poker” with other teams for 3 more years
or just extend Boyd to lead their next contending club.
How do you expect Avila to be unambiguous that Boyd wouldn’t have a more successful 2nd half of the season last year? It’s a gamble. Your speaking from a completely irrelevant hindsight point of view.
+Bob
You know whats not a gamble? Tigers odds to the make the playoffs with Boyd on the roster (its a 0% chance) Also, no im not talking from hindsight 20/20. Boyd’s value was undoubtedly the highest its ever was at the trade deadline, he was posting his best numbers to that date (and its not like he has a short track record). Again, theres no point in keeping Boyd, so you ship him out when his value is highest or else you do a disservice to the organization. Avila therefor made a mistake by not wanting to trade Boyd unless it was “significantly better”. We’re going around in circles here. To recap, Boyd isnt that good, he hasnt put up one significantly above average season in his career (105+ ERA is his best year ever), Avila high balled thinking teams would fall for the spike in production of the first half and failed to get a deal done. It doesnt matter if they like or dont like Boyd. Keeping him around does the opposite of helping them win a championship in the next 10 years and thats what matters. Boyd doesnt bring anything to the team that will even get them near playoff contention. The only thing Boyd COULD bring is prospects if Avila would actually trade him. Chances are that he gets shipped out but for a significantly weaker prospect package than he couldve gotten if he did it at the 2019 deadline and didnt ask for the moon for an average SP, making it an error on Avila’s end.
This is baseball management 101 man
What offers do you think Avila was getting for Boyd? The trading team is probably using your exact reasonings to trade Boyd as leverage. Just as he’s leveraging for win now teams. It all comes down to what was offered. All we heard is Torres, that’s it (and everyone is jumping to conclusions)! Just because DET won’t make playoffs, doesn’t mean DET should trade the team’s best asset for what the market is currently suggesting. If the offer isn’t fair why make the trade? Especially if Avila is considering extending Boyd. Look at what NY got for 3 months of Chapman!! Torres, the #75 overall prospect McKinley, and two other lottos. And you think Avila wants to sell on Boyd now?! It’s an impossible argument to make, because your suggesting Boyd is on the downward trend. But, we have absolutely no idea what Boyd will do or where the trade market will be. Look at all of these pitchers getting hurt in Spring Training. You say Boyd isn’t good, yet he’s been in trade rumors for years. He’s wanted and he’s quality MLB pitcher, whether you believe it or not.
Boyd’s value is not “going down”,…Quite the contrary, It is going up.
Boyd is on the list as one of the top strikeout pitchers in MLB along with Scherzer and Verlander.
MLB.com just did a piece “Dark Horse Cy Young Candidates for 2020. Boyd was #2 on that list. Avila is in no rush to move Boyd. Boyd can eat innings for the Tigers and be a mentor/good example for all the young, stud starters at AA and AAA.
If Avila gets an offer to his liking at the Trade Deadlines in 20.21 or 22, then Avila can move Boyd.
If not, Avila can extend Boyd, After 2020, the only long term contract on the Tigers books is Cabrera. Tigers will have only 30M in commitments and can afford to extend the promising young players coming up.
Teams’ interest in Boyd has been hot for awhile including:and documented in the Sports Media: Astros, Angels, Yankees, Braves, Phillies, Padres, Dodgers, Giants, Mariners, Brewers and more (Boyd is from WA State), the list is long.
If a team steps up and gives Avila an offer he can’t refuse, then Boyd is dealt. If not, Tigers hand onto Boyd.
Boyd and his wife have been actively involved in their own Charity
“Kingdom Home” that aims to end child sex slavery in Africa…so Boyd is a good guy and good in the clubhouse also.
Huntington asked for Gleyber for Cole.. then spun around and dealt him for moran and musgrove.
Why is it wrong for Avila to ask for Torres?!
Didn’t Cashman and Yanks ask for Torres and Frazier in deals for relievers from other clubs?!
@SportsFan0000
Yes but Chapman and Miller were among the best in the game at the time and those team saw them as the missing pieces to win a WS. Big difference.
However, if Yanks get Boyd and it helps them win a WS then it is definitely worth it.
I am not saying give them Torres.
I am saying pivot Avila to a compelling package of multiple prospects and young players that does not include Torres,
Yankees got Gleyber Torres plus a 75 overall prospect Billy McKinley and two other prospects for 26.2 innings worth of Aroldis Chapman!! And yes, the Cubs won the WS and most fans would say it was 100% worth it.
Archer? for a title contender? i know they really need a healthy SP, but cmon. and i doubt the Cubs are trading either of their SP at this point.
Hed be the 2nd best pitcher in their rotation..
…so yeah.
@Freddy H
Why would you think Archer would be better than Tanaka? Or that Happ might not rebound from a year not anywhere similar to his 2018 season?
Why is everyone so down on Tanaka? He’s been great for the Yankees and Archer is not better than Tanaka. Ask hitters who they would rather face, especially when the pressure is on? My money is on Archer for nearly all of them
Dude Tanaka is toast. He has like 1 good game every 5 anymore.
He hasn’t been good in years and last year was terrible so not sure who you were watching
Archer still throws 95 and had a jaw dropping 10.8 k/9 last year and is durable.
Happ lost a ton of velocity last season which is not good for a 37 year old.
Tanaka also lost velo and was really bad last year, and is one injury away (probably this year) from being out of the league because he is breaking down physically
Jon Gray, Arenado, Shaw, Desmond, and Davis for Andujar and half of Stanton’s contract. Done!
Or let’s get really crazy, and Sale for Andujar and half of Stanton’s contract.
Not sure why you think Andujar has that much positive value…
Moever, Yankee fans’ proposals on this thread show how delusional NY fans can be. There is no way that you can defend this.
@hockeyjohn
One idiot doesn’t rep the entire fanbase. Ignore the preposterous stuff.
In the top scenario, the Rockies get rid of three dead money contracts, give up a good pitcher and future HOF. They get back a cheap big bat, Stanton at half contract, that’ll wreck in Colorado and a young controllable 3B who’d pair nicely with Story. That would help them save money, stay entertaining, and clear space to make a run at free agents next winter.
A BoSox Yankees trade will never happen so I suggest it for laughs.
Andujar has value going to Colorado.
Most hitters do
You mean in your mind the first suggestion WASN’T really crazy?
There is no way that trade happens, imho.
I don’t see the need for anyone to give up a pitcher this close to the opening of the season. On top of that, why would the Yankees make a panic move now? They will get by with their offense and bullpen until the deadline when better assets become available. The teams in their division are not good enough to threaten them for a playoff spot no less a division title.
You don’t watch much baseball do you. The rays pitching was just as good as Yankees BEFORE the injury. With the bats they added in off season and best minor league system to use at trade deadline they may not catch the Yankees but they will push them all year
@Mrsuntan
I see Charlie Morton and a bunch of guys who didn’t pitch 110 innings last year.
Snell missed a couple of months and upon his return he started 3 games for a total of 6 innings giving up 3 runs and 6 walks. He’s extremely talented but there’s no guarantee he will be 100% an ace in 2020.
They have some high end guys but they haven’t proven anything over a full 33 starts in a season.
Braves may do Cole Hamels or King Felix for Andujar
There’s a 90% chance “King” Felix is cut before opening day. Why you would consider him a trade asset is beyond me.
If his conditioning was better a la Zack Greinke he could become a junkballer but he looks like a beanbag now and doesn’t seem as motivated as Greinke was when he started aging noticeably
How kind of them to consider that
Connor, is it known which teams are on Darvish’s 12 team no trade list? Or will he get to pick them later?
They don’t need a replacement starter yet and should trade for any of those guys
Cole
Tanaka
Happ
Montgomery
Loaisiga
Is fine to start the season
Garcia and King are available as replacements in April
Pax is back in May
German is back in June or July.
Schmidt is a late season option.
Thats 10 starters on the roster that will be ready at some point thus year for one of 5 MLB spots.
Pax and German starting late is a blessing since they can’t pitch enough innings to go all season and the playoffs.
Sevy’s a big loss but if the Yankees respond it shouldn’t happen until mid season or it should be a position player.
With Pax, Tanaka and Happ being free agents this year the Yankees need to see what the prospects can do instead of hiding them behind number 3 starters.
German is eligible to return on June 5th…..Paxton back in May unless he has issues between now and then…don’t panic and make a trade that they might not need to make…nobody has ever won the pennant on Feb 26th…..let’s see what happens between now and late July/August at the trade deadline and who’s available for what before casting out for a has-been or over-valued fill in…Sevy contributed nothing to last years 100+ wins.
Haha until you’re not even in the playoff hunt come the deadline.
The division is not trash. Last year is not forever.
The Jays made some moves, the Rays are legit, and the Red Sox actually will be better this year even after trading Betts
The Yankees added Cole and Andujar.
What did the rays add to the team that couldn’t beat the Yankees without Severino, Cole and Andujar last year?
The Yankees played last year with a AAA team and all the rays could do in their historic year was to come close.
@Freddy
My gosh dude. Really? Yanks didn’t have Severino for almost the entire year. Paxton will hurt. Yanks have the ability to make 4 ERA pitchers 18 game winners.
How are the Red Sox better without their best player and Price who was still a good top/middle rotation guy? And they still haven’t addressed their bullpen?
I agree with your starting 5 to start the season. You can get through the first month with 4 starters. They need to let the Spring play out and then decide. Why try to trade now when every team knows you may be desperate?
If you welcome back German then I imagine you are just fine with Osuna on the Astros
The Yanks are probably OK as is right now. If a deal happens to fall into place, they’ll take it, but there’s no need for them to go hat in hand around the league.
My Angels would looked markedly better with Gray, Boyd, or Smith in the rotation, though. Boyd fits better here, too. Fly balls in the AL West aren’t as scary as they are in the bandboxes back east.
They basically have a rebuilding teams rotation beyond Cole.
I don’t think this will go as smooth as you think
Tigers want Brandon Marsh and others from Angels for Boyd.
Where have you heard that Detroit wanted Brandon Marsh plus for Matthew Boyd?
It was reported in the Sports Media including MLBTradeRumors
Love how German will be welcomed back with open arms. Why? Because he won 18 games last season. Meanwhile Odubel Herrera has been exiled off the 40 man for committing the same offense. German should be given the same treatment.
Odubel Herrera the “great communicator” …”team leader”….as Mike Schmidt ws reminded to call him?
Haven’t read a single article in the NY press as to how the Yankees will handle German when he’s eligible to come back from MLB suspension…..do you have inside info on the investigation of both players to make that comment?
Just an observation. Herrera was vilified from the beginning (rightfully so), but it seems like everything I read about German is like it’s no big deal he’ll be back in June and slide right back into the rotation to help the Yanks with their WS charge. It just seems like a double standard in my opinion.
It is just an observation. Herrera was vilified from the beginning meanwhile it seems everything I read about German is like it’s no big deal and he’ll just slide right back into the rotation in June to help the Yanks on their WS charge. Just seems like a double standard.
@ham77
Get your facts straight. MLB suspended both players. The Phillies decided to remove him from the 40 man roster. There’s no reason why the Yanks need to do the same with German.
You missed my point. Herrera got what he deserved but the fans seem willing to turn the other cheek for German because he won 18 games last year and now the Yankees need him in the rotation now more than ever. If he had a 5.00 ERA would you still be so ho-hum about what he did to get suspended?
@ham77
Your missing the point. The Phillies and Yanks are two different teams thus how one team and their fanbase do/feel about Herrera has nothing to do with the Yanks and their fanbase’s feelings towards German. So therefore there’s zero double standard.
And all tho we all are against domestic violence we have no idea of how the two actual scenarios might vary or be the same.. I do know that with German it happened outside of a mlb event and was witnessed by an mlb official. It may have been a hard shove or maybe a face slap. Not saying that’s nothing. With Herrera’s case his gf had signs of being beaten and choked. Again, neither is acceptable behavior but without context we can’t determine the difference, if any.
I believe German will be able to get his innings in pitching in extended spring training until the GCL starts in mid June. He will be ready for season when he comes off suspended list. I don’t see the Yankees rushing to do anything, they probably have sufficient off days built into the schedule where they won’t even need a fifth starter the month of April. They can out slug any team in their weak division.
Bartolo Colon
Jake Arietta, Zach Efflin, Pivetta, Velazquez. Will give you two if needed. Not asking for much, just a few tickets for the playoffs.
Velasquez? The Yanks are fine in LF.
Velazquez, dang auto spell
Mine autocorrect to Velazquez, I probably spelled it wrong before lol
Laughed
Marco Gonzalez
I could see Marco going a lot of places at any time and I’m surprised he’s even still available. To the Yanks is a possibility but maybe a three way trade in which the Yankees get a Cubs starter, the Cubs get Marco plus a mid-lower prospect, and Mariners get prospects.
They should be fine. I wouldnt mind seeing a minor league signing for say vargas, cashner or harvey as insurance just incase montgomery or paxton has set backs. Any signing could be released or sent down after if they pitch well bonus. The other option would be a clint frazier trade for say m leake or zach davies type. Or just use chad green as a opener
None of these pitchers turn the needle for me. So why bother making these suggestions.
Happ or Tanaka turn the needle for you though?
@Freddy H
Tanaka and Happ are both under contract for 2020 so there’s no question that they’ll be 2 of the starting 5 pitchers.
Tanaka and Happ have had a recent history of success so it’s not a wild idea that either could be a 4 ERA pitcher over the course of 180 IP each.
The Cubs should try to get them to take Darvish’s contract
Wouldn’t surprise me at all if they did just that. Darvish was lights out for the second have and seem to find his groove and put arm trouble behind him. But on the other hand the Cubs may be depending on him themselves or value him really high regardless of money owed because of his latest success. Quintana might be a safer bet for both. The Yankees might not want to have Darvish on the books beyond 20 with a staff as strong as they’ll have without him(barring additional major injuries). I’m a Cards fan and I hope I’m wrong but Darvish looked like his old dominant self and I see that continuing. I hope the Yankees take him I don’t see that contract being the terrible one we thought it was in 18
Right now I seriously would take him in a heartbeat, as would a lot of fellow fans. He had a good season last year
I would consider a package of Frazier plus others for Luis Castillo
But the reds GM would not since he is not a delusional Yankee fan like you
Sweet Jesus. Stop with the Frazier for your top player proposals. I don’t hate yanks but their fan base….:wow.
If “others” includes Gleyber
Stop with the gleyber stuff please he’s obviously not getting traded
But Castillo is?
Sorry bronxbomber I realize it wasn’t your proposal but that’s the kind of value it would take to get a top of the rotation arm like Castillo. Not Frazier
hard pass on Archer
What about just acquiring Grienke , doubt he wants to be with the Astros since he got suckered into it
How was Greinke suckered into it? The Astros weren’t on his no-trade list (the Yankees were & probably still are). It was a baseball trade & the D-Backs got some very good prospects in return. Also, why would the Astros trade Greinke when they have their own starting pitching depth issues?
Greinke was already the villain in KC and had to sit through playing with Puig on those LAD teams for a while. He is just fine
I hoping the Yankees never deal with Pittsburgh again since they took a lesser package and dealt Cole to Houston a few years ago. Yankees offered more and got nothing.
I would even consider Andujar,Frazier for Darvish and Schwarber.
@nyyfan
Absolutely! The Cubs had a serious shortage of DH types before your proposal.
Blows my mind that NYY fans keep trying to unload spare parts and DHs for top rotation arms
Andujar plus for Noah. The goofballs need a 3b and the Yanks need a middle to back end SP.
Think I could get a tryout?
No helicopter entrance please. Kinda a too soon thing.
Noah. LoL. Yankees could offer Judge and Torres and Mets would never deal Thor to the Yankees.
Ross Stripling? Might not take much.
Dont forget about CMart.
Matthew Boyd would be a huge pickup for the Yankees.
MLB.com did a piece “Dark Horse candidates for Cy Young” in 2020…
Boyd was 2nd on that list.
The Tigers are in full rebuild mode probably back contending in
’22 or ’23…
So the Tigers probably would require multiples of young players/prospects back in any deal.
Make a list of young players/prospects and the Tigers pick 3:
Dominguez, Garcia, Abreu,
Schmidt,Frazier, Andujar, Holder etc…
Yankees and Tigers could hammer out a deal..
Tigers have a farm loaded with top young pitching
so Boyd is expendable.
Boyd is cheap(6M).
Boyd has 3 years team control left…
Boyd could be a huge lift for the Yankees…
The Yanks dont have that stud any more in the minors. Maybe Florial can have a good year and by mid year he can be the main part of the trade
Garcia 4.50 era,Dominguez long way off,Florial the one with potential. Stop pawning off Frazier and Anjujar they are throw ins
@Ejoey
Garcia was also 20 years old when he was promoted from A ball to AA to AAA. Not saying he’s going to be the a Cy Young caliber pitcher but he definitely deserves his ranking on top 100 lists.
Frazier and especially Andujar are far from “throw ins” and if you think Andujar is a “throw in” then you’re just a moron. Sorry. But bat first players are signed to multi-year deals all the time. All he has to prove is that he’s healthy. If he can still hit like he did in his rookie year then he has tons of value especially since he has 4 years of control.
It really irks me some of the dumb things people say. If Castellanos can get $82 mil then don’t tell me Andujar, if healthy, doesn’t have value. He has tons of value, especially because he’s cheap.
Yes, there are certainly lots of baseball “experts” commenting on the Yankees and the farm system these days…..pure jealousy!
Castellanos has a longer track record, no serious injury history other than that I guess the two are comparable. I think andujar will bounce back, idk if he hits as well as he did his rookie campaign. I expected a little drop off, but I think he can be a great hitter. However, the Yankees have to find him at bats and get him playing time for his value to go back up. Right now his value is low and rival gms aren’t gonna pay to assume the risk of whether he will return to that. If I was the Yankees I would keep him, gio also isn’t a sure thing to continue to hit like that. But all these people that think Boyd is tor pitcher are crazy, his value isn’t get what tiger fans think. He is great at getting strike outs, not outs. He is a 3 or 4 with good stuff, not a great pitcher
Think of who call moron the term might fit you. Garcia has era in mid threes,look at his whip. In AAA they lit him up, 5+ era 2.62avg and 1.5 whip.in case you don’t know that’s bad.
Listen to your words about Andjuar IF he’s healthy and IF he can hit like he did 2 years ago.
And Frazier he has been passed around begging anyone to take him. These players have value but not as much you think.
Castellanos a great guy is all hit no field and easily to obtain.
Also I did say Floria had the chance to be the real deal. Think before you opinion.
@Indiansjoe
My point was to counter that neither Andujar nor Frazier are viewed as “throw ins” in any trade scenario. A “throw in” is a player that NO ONE should really want. Cashman would not used them as a “throw in” and no team would view these two, regardless of their defensive liabilities,. as “throw ins”.
That doesn’t mean that Frazier could be a CENTERPIECE for ANY top starter. That’s absurd. But big difference between being a CENTERPIECE vs a THROW IN. I think 80% of the commentators here understand that. I’m addressing any idiot who thinks a soon to be 25 yo 2018 ROY runner up who had a .855 OPS w/ near 80 extra base hits with 4 years of control would be of such little value that he would be a “throw in” for a non-elite SP, which are the SP being mentioned here, aside from maybe Gray and ,maybe Darvish depending on how much of the contract would be assumed..
NL teams are acquiring bat first guys all the time and there are several AL DHs getting paid considerable money. Based off of his minor league pedigree there’s no reason to think his 2018 debut was a fluke. But I do feel Cashman shouldn’t be in a rush to trade either Frazier nor Andujar considering injuries to our OF and to make sure that Gio’s 2019 showing wasn’t a fluke.,
Let me pose this to you has any player been mention in more trades than Frazier. It seems NY is always trying to move him with no takers. I guess us idiots are just not as sharp of an evaluator as you. Wait I minute, the fact is they can’t give Frazier away so i guess you must be mistaken and rather inane
@Ejoey
Don’t include fans mentioning Frazier as a trade piece. Furthermore, at one point the Yanks had Judge, Stanton, Hicks, Gardner as all healthy and productive options. Then they had Maybin and Tauchman as viable 4th and 5th options. Frazier didn’t seem to have a full time spot and needed everyday play. I don’t think using him as a trade option is the same as trying to dump him.
Florial has been dropped off the list of top 100 prospects.
He is over rated.
Another expert heard from! Over rated….more like been hurt for the last 2 years…..time will tell.
@SportsFan0000
I agree to an extent but that’s the nature of these writers. They value guys with tools and athleticism like Florial and Jasson Domingez but then completely ignore a guy who’s actually performing well.
Lefty hitting Canaan Smith who’s 20 yo and hit at a .877 OPS in his first full season at low A ball. True, he can flame out like any other prospect but he hits for average (.307), flashes power 32 doubles, 3 trips and 11 homers, speed (16/20) and seems to show plate discipline 74 walks vs 108 ks. Not on any top 100 list and not listed as a top 15 on any published org top 30 list,
Florial has tons of talent but he can’t stay healthy and his numbers at higher levels aren’t impressive at all. I would put Canaan ahead of him IMO.
Boyd for Schmidt. Perfect.
That could start the discussions, but I think the Tigers farm is loaded with top rated pitching. They appear to be looking for and drafting position players who can hit..
Start? That’s about all Boyd is worth when he returns to being a #5 with a 5-ERA pitching in the AL East. Tigers need to drop that asking price before Boyd remembers he’s Matt Boyd.
How about carlos martinez for frazier? Other pieces could be added to make it work. But those 2 as headliners?
He is not available
Why would they trade him?!
Frazier for Flaherty
Ryan?
Yankee fans: Just curious, although it won’t happen, you like John Gray, Luis Castillo, or Boyd if the Yankees were to acquire one. I believe Gray is the best option, if it was possible.
Rockies are trying to contend for playoffs this year or they would have traded Arendondo(sp?!).
Totally get that, which is why I stipulated that it won’t happen, just curious who we (majority of fans) think would fit best on Yankees. I really like Castillo, but Gray I think is the best one.
The Yankees should unload the farm for Lindor and Bieber. Yankees main weakness is no legitimate lead off hitter. Lindor would look good in pinstripes.
Hell yes! That’s what I’m talking about! It still wouldn’t get it done, but that’s what I’m talkin’ ‘bout! Some damned initiative finally.
Yankees have already unloaded most of the farm over the last few years in deals…
Getting
Francisco Lindor and Clevinger would cost them Torres, Andujar, Garcia and multiple Top 100 prospects that the Yankees no longer have in their farm system.
You really don’t know anything about what your speaking about do you….
@SportsFan0000
Lindor had a 4.4 WAR and 2 years of control at $18 mil minimum salary. Torres had a 3.6 WAR, is 3 years younger, has 5 years of control left (including 2020) and isn’t arb eligible until 2021. I would say Torres has far more value than Lindor does at the moment. Lindor has a better glove but Torres is more than capable at either SS or 2b.
Bieber is untouchable at this point.
@mlbnyyfan
How is Lindor a great “lead off hitter” with a .335 OBP last year? Isn’t the point of a lead off hitter mostly getting on base? Yanks don’t need Lindor. They have Torres at SS and DJ at 2B. Add to the fact that he’s making at least $18 mil and is two year away from FA the Yanks would’ve kept Didi if they wanted to. Yanks farm has some good players. Better to let them show what they have than to trade for Lindor. Bieber is good but I would think the Indians would want to keep him since they are trying to compete in 2020 and he’s cheap with 5 years of control.
Bully- You posit unarguable points, sir. I’m still wondering if they make any splash with the big 4 going to FA after next season… Lindor, Story, Semien (he might be after this season, I forget), and Baez (who is anYankee fan himself and can play 2b, SS, and 3rd).
Thoughts on that?
@Mick1956
As long as Torres proves he can handle SS then I don’t see them looking to replace him. It all boils down to DJ. If he has another good year in 2020 then I would think there would be mutual desire to sign an extension thus cementing him a 2B and Torres at SS. With no pitcher under contract for 2021 aside from Cole, Severino and German I would think the Yanks would invest in pitching rather than SS in the near future.
Okay, I agree and I think these recent injuries answered any questions they had about who they would go after positional. Thinking Syndergaard quite possibly?
Stripling
Musgrove
Garrett Richards (after reality makes an appearance in SD)
Arietta
Cueto
Had the ChiSox signed Nova… could have traded him to the Yanks for prospects. Ugh.
Darvish and some money for some fringe prospect. I think darvish would love to play in new york with tanaka he still has the stuff. Every other trade their going to ask for something crazy thinking we are panicking i say cashman will do his job but do nothing maybe another free agent but not see any high end pitchers.
I still wouldn’t mind the Rangers resuming talks with the Yankees over Mike Minor. The Yankees were offering Deivi Garcia for him last deadline, and that’d be a nice return for a good pitcher with one year of control.
@Rangers29
I seriously doubt the Yanks offered Garcia for Minor.
I completely understand why you wouldn’t mind that.
Frazier is not likely going anywhere now that Stanton is questionable for opening day.
Frazer will be moved in the right deal. I think the Giants would jump on the chance of dumping Shark for Frazer. I dont see much playing time for Stanton in Left if Andujar proves to be ok out there.
Just what makes this arrogant Yankee a hole think they can just go get anyone they want? Rockies are not trading Gray unless they get about 3 starters for him.
What kind of clown doesn’t know that any team could choose to overpay for any player?
@Arnold Ziffel
Last I checked the article wasn’t written by a Yankee fan. Relax dude.
Plus Gray isn’t worth 3 top pitching prospect (not sure we have 3 legit top pitching prospects though) He has a career 4.46 ERA although his 3..77 FIP is better. Oddly his road ERA is higher than his career home ERA.
Ziffel – Which one? I think you adjectives describe pretty much all of us!
@Arnold Ziffel
Why can’t you understand this article isn’t written by a Yankee fan but a writer for the site? Riddle me that.
I’m just glad that a writer finally mentioned the fact that Boyd doesn’t prevent runs, which is the most important thing a pitcher can do.
What you said
Boyd was pitching on a horrible last place club with terrible defense last year.
Also, the ball was juiced last year…
MLB.com had Boyd listed #2 on list of “Dark Horse Cy Young Candidates”
Listed in the Top 5 Strikeout Starters in MLB last year?:!
Scherzer, Verlander and Boyd….
How is striking out so many more hitters than other starters not preventing runs?!
Put Boyd on a playoffs contending team with great defense and his ERA is at least a point less like Cole’s move to Houston or Verlander’s move to Houston..
Sir, your points are valid, but I don’t know that I’d classify my Yankees as having great defense, in comparison to some other clubs. Either way, if Boys was underrated because he was on a bad club, with a juiced ball, what does that say about Ray, or even Gray (Coors) who pitched much better with the juiced ball and also had a ton of strikeouts? Sorry, just not a fan of Boyd, especially at their astronomical asking price.
@SportsFan0000
What was his excuse in 2018, 2017 and 2016? Plenty of pitchers have shown the ability to pitch well despite being on bad teams. The ONLY thing Boyd has shown is an ability to strike guys out. Doesn’t make him a high value pitcher. Nate Eovaldi tantalized many for years of what “could be”.
Tigers can demand all they want but a smart GM isn’t going to trade top prospects for a career SP with a 118 starts and over 600 IP that has produced an ERA of 4.92 and a FIP of 4.66. No team should have to pay up in top prospects AND be tasked with the challenge of trying to turn “talent” into “good results”. He’s not a young kid. He’s 29. He has to figure it out. And honestly, the Yanks haven’t been the best at bringing out the best in a SP. The Astros, Braves and Dodgers have been successful at it but I doubt any of them would give you a prospect haul some seem to think he warrants.
Is Avila willing to hang on to him with the hopes he will mature into a top SP and thus increase his value? He’s a lefty with a great arm but he’s very “hittable” evident by his 9.1 H/9 IP and serves up a lot of homers. He’s had the 2nd highest HR/9 (1.67) in the last 2 years. He has the lowest GB rate of any qualifying SP in the last 2 years (32.3 %) The fact that he gave up 26 of his league leading 39 homers at home is mind-boggingly shocking considering Comerica isn’t a hitters park.
Avila will get his price or close to it for Boyd or just extend him to lead the next wave of drafted top young pitching prospects on the way in the Tigers dramatically improving farm system(rated 7th best in MLB at this time)..
Tigers could just let Boyd have a great 1st half in 2020, make the All Star team and, if they get the right deal, deal Boyd at the trade deadline.
A smart GM would try to make a deal for Boyd now before the price goes up at the Trade deadline.
Yankees could probably put together a package of 3-4 prospects and players that could entice the Avila and the Tigers.
No way he’s worth it though; and they could get a better pitcher for the same asking price.
@SportsFan0000
How you can propose that Boyd will be an all-star next year boggles my mind. That’s a hope and a wish. Could careless how many Ks he has. He still gets hit pretty hard.
Not proposing it. Baseball experts are stating he is a dark horse candidate for Cy Young 2020…see MLB.com
Yes, if he stays healthy, Boyd will be an All Star next year.
He barely missed the All Star squad in 2019.
+SportsFan
What “baseball expert” is stating that the guy who has never posted an ERA under 4 to end the season is a dark horse for Cy Young? He isnt a dark horse, he doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell.
Great. He’s Jose DeLeon or Bobby Witt.
More yankee articles. Goody gumdrop.
Stop offering all these Mediocre pitchers to the Yankees. The Yankees should of just opened there wallets more and Signed Cole, Wheeler and Strasburg. That would of showed everyone the Evil Empire is Back!!!!!
One can only wish. But, if they did that, they’d have a bunch of bad contracts on the back end and we’d all be crying about it.
Nonetheless, if they did, we wouldn’t be searching for a top-level (not necessarily ace-level) arm to fill the voids we currently have. It’s playing a dangerous game to try to get a ring with just enough talent, especially while we only have a relatively short window of opportunity before the position player contracts become exponentially more expensive.
Relying on Paxton is totally dreaming.
That’s crazy Larry
Phillies Padres Yanks spent $300m on a player gonna regret it.
Yu Darvish would be a great pickup but with his trade clause and the likely price of pitching I doubt it ever happens.
Chris Archer might be the most attainable on this list but he also has the least amount of value, as he has pitched poorly in Pittsburgh. I’ve always liked his strikeout rates though and I think he’s not entirely devoid of future potential.
Of the guys on this list the man I would pick is Jon Gray. The fact that he has those stats in the most hitter-friendly park in baseball says a lot. He’d do really well in a slightly more pitcher-friendly park (although I chuckle at Yankee Stadium being “pitcher-friendly”).
The one I want most isn’t on this list, and that’s Robbie Ray. He’s got elite K rates every season, has good spin rates, and is a lefty (prized at Yankee Stadium). His walk rates are concerning but I have to think the Yankees’ revamped pitching coaching would help him in some way. If he could just get better command then he’s definitely a #2 starter
I like your discussion points. As usual, you articulated the substance of your points very cogently. I wasn’t too high on Ray initially (mainly because of the walk rate) but the Yankees are, and with one of the most developed stat departments in the game, I believe there is a reason why. Good job, my friend.
Pinstriped – What are your thoughts on Castillo or the Reds?
Chris Archer would a Steal. If they can get him.
The Yankees don’t want Archer. He’s vastly overrated. If he couldn’t have success in Tampa Bay or Pittsburgh he’s going to be destroyed in the High Pressure cooker that is the New York Media. So don’t get your hopes up in Pittsburgh.
The Pirates only things of real value are Josh Bell, Keone Kela and Joe Musgrove. Adam Frazier might bring in a small return and that’s about it.
And should they trade any of them its going to be for very young talent. But it won’t be for guys who can either hit a ton of homeruns or power pitchers. Those guys tend to get huge sums once they reach arbitration. That’s why I look for Bell to be gone by the deadline if he’s having a big year. They got him a massive bargain price this year. However next year that number will increase drastically.
And Robert Nutting is trying to make a massive profit despite being at the bottom of the standings.
Me think this good ^
We give you Shark, Cueto, Belt, and Crawford. You give us tickets to a Broadway show.
I don’t like this article because it’s totally unfounded pure speculation with no basis in fact or actual reporting. There’s no rumor here, it’s a fluff piece practically begging teams to bail out the poor yankees. Gross.
“6 Potential Trade Targets For Yankees’ Rotation”
It never mentioned ‘rumor’. You had to know what you were going to read about, before you read it. There are plenty of articles I never read, and some that I skim through. But unless the writer is factually wrong, what is the purpose of complaining about an article you voluntarily read?
Another year of Yankee dreams seems to be fading into the surgical wing.
Hey, I have an idea. When you go out and try to BUY a championship, buy some guys that can actually play some games. 9 figure contract guys watching the game from rehab facilities is NOT the way to do it.
But then, it couldn’t happen to a nice bunch could it?
Yes, the BUY argument. Such a novel argument, never heard of it previously. What a brilliant, creative thinker.
Would it make you happy if the team with the highest revenue roll out a $60 million payroll?
@Valkyrie
Yeah so every other team that signed a FA they aren’t trying to “buy” a championship either right? Yanks have done a great job of mixing home grown with outside players. Stop with the non-sense.
Never been one to jump on the boyd train. I never trusted it on the tracks
I rode it a month last year in roto. Kinda a bumpy ride.
Yes the Yankees always have buy players because teams ask for the world when trying to make deals. Look at what the Rangers dealt for Kluber and Pirates dealt for Cole nothing of any significant value. However because of jealousy or just anti Yankees they ask for Torres and other significant players. As a. HUGE Yankees fan I blame Cashman and others for not developing any legitimate starting pitchers since Pettite.
You know guys, it really bothered me to see what I deemed the Yankees lethargy once they purchased Cole. My though is; what happens when Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Paxton (who is injury prone) and others get injured? What happens when Torres comes up lame? Wade? Really? I was hoping Cashman (who is past his sell-by date) would have gotten a SS, Pitcher, or at least a dominant bullpen guy. Sorry, but after having been a Yanks fan for over 50 years and now live in the UK, I truly don’t believe the WS is in our future any time soon.
@AWOL
So what you’re saying is, why didn’t a team who won 103 games and just spent $325 mil to get Cole, while under harsh lux penalties, go out and sign high caliber backups in case all of their top players get injured? Wow. Last year was sever but it showed Cashman was able to find good replacement players to step up. I know the Yanks have tons of money but they are already well over the lux tax threshold and despite losing Didi and Bets I can’t get mad at them because they secured Cole and couldn’t reasonably have acquired other top SP in case Sev or Paxton were hurt, In fact, that’s why they didn’t dump Happ.
Yes but look at the past. Putting all your eggs in one basket isn’t smart. Let me ask you…What happens if/when Cole goes down (like he has in the past)? The Yanks had a franchise SS (Jeter), a franchise CF (Williams), a franchise 1B (Mattingly). Need I go on? Happ? Ok brother, let’s see what he does this year… They’ve put all their eggs in the Cole basket. Sure, he showed some spunk, but if you look at history, the year after players sign a big contract – they have a down year for one reason or another. I’m a yanks fan, grew up in Brooklyn, played pro ball and will always be a Yanks fan. I’m sorry but in my humble opinion, this will not be their year unless the gods shine on them…(and Cashman works a miracle or two) 🙂
The team that the Yankees should work with is the Dodgers – Stripling, Goslin, etc. would be available for the right package of minor league prospects. Might also be opportunity to find an upgrade for 3B (Beatty?).
And why would the LA Dodgers help the Yankees when the Dodgers goal is to win a WS?!
Yanks should talk to the Cubs about Quintana. I think he would be a pretty cheap option and there is no financial commitment past this year. Cubs need to shed some money, Yanks need a pitcher, I don’t think price tag would be much of a deal breaker. I know the Cubs can still compete this year and trading a piece from an already short handed staff isn’t the move they need to make but they still need to get rid of money either way. Plus at some point they are going to have to take the training wheels off Alzolay and find out what he’s got.
Cubs always ask for the moon in their trade deals.
If the Marlins trade Celeb Smith I’m going to be a Yankees fan (not really)
Unless another Yankee’s starter goes down for 8-12 weeks, they have no reason to trade for a SP right now. They bake in off days at the beginning of the season, so a lot of teams will be going with a 4 man rotation the first couple of weeks. Also, the Yankees have plenty of internal depth (and a deep bullpen), so they can get thru May without having to make a trade.
Boyd’s value is not “going down”,…Quite the contrary, It is going up.
Boyd is on the list as one of the top strikeout pitchers in MLB along with Scherzer and Verlander.
MLB.com just did a piece “Dark Horse Cy Young Candidates for 2020”.. Boyd was #2 on that list. Avila is in no rush to move Boyd. Boyd can eat innings for the Tigers and be a mentor/good example for all the young, stud starters at AA and AAA.
If Avila gets an offer to his liking at the Trade Deadlines in 20.21 or 22, then Avila can move Boyd.
If not, Avila can extend Boyd, After 2020, the only long term contract on the Tigers books is Cabrera. Tigers will have only 30M in commitments and can afford to extend the promising young players coming up.
Teams’ interest in Boyd has been hot for awhile including:and documented in the Sports Media: Astros, Angels, Yankees, Braves, Phillies, Padres, Dodgers, Giants, Mariners, Brewers and more (Boyd is from WA State), the list is long.
If a team steps up and gives Avila an offer he can’t refuse, then Boyd is dealt. If not, Tigers hang onto Boyd and extend him.
Boyd and his wife have been actively involved in their own Charity
“Kingdom Home” that aims to end child sex slavery in Africa…so Boyd is a good guy and good in the clubhouse also.
Just ride it out until Paxton returns in May.
Boyd Just Out-dueled Gerritt Cole
3 Shutout Innings and 4 Strikeouts against heart of Yankees lineup
yanks will win 88 games.