7:45pm: Severino will undergo Tommy John surgery on Thursday, the team announced.
2:05pm: Doctors have recommended Tommy John surgery for Yankees righty Luis Severino, general manager Brian Cashman told reporters Tuesday (Twitter link via Newsday’s Erik Boland). He’ll miss the entire 2020 season and potentially some of the 2021 campaign, depending on his recovery.
This is the second hit to a rotation that was enhanced over the winter through the addition of Gerrit Cole. The club is also facing uncertainty regarding southpaw James Paxton, who underwent back surgery and is expected to be sidelined until at least early May.
With Severino down for the season and Paxton set to miss several weeks of the 2020 campaign, at minimum, an imposing Yankees rotation now looks more mortal. Cole, of course, is still a bona fide ace, but the top options behind him are now Masahiro Tanaka and J.A. Happ. Both veterans have been durable sources of innings in recent seasons, and Tanaka in particular has been a consistent producer.
Beyond that trio, the Yankees will turn to a host of incumbent options — including Jordan Montgomery, Jonathan Loaisiga, Luis Cessa, Mike King and Deivi Garcia. Veteran righties Chad Bettis and Nick Tropeano are both in camp as non-roster invitees as well.
This’ll be the second consecutive lost season for Severino, who totaled a mere 20 innings between the regular season and the playoffs. Shoulder and lat injuries held the 26-year-old down last year from spring through September. That slate of injuries has combined to wipe out nearly all of the first two years that were covered under the four-year, $40MM extension Severino signed just one year and 10 days ago. He’ll be paid $10.5MM in 2020 while rehabbing on the 60-day injured list, and he’s set to earn salaries of $10.75MM in 2021 and $11.5MM in 2022. The Yankees also hold a $15MM club option (with a $2.75MM buyout) for the 2023 season.
No surprise damn shame though
This news should make the Yankees no long World Series bound favorites. I think the Rays might even win the division.
I believed in the Rays before this, but definitely think the Rays are the favorites now. Morton, Snell, Glassnow is the most underrated 1-2-3 punch in baseball. Their lineup is surprisingly deep.
The Rays have actually pieced together some offense of late to support the pitching. They should be in great shape.
If Kluber is healthy, a Lynn, Minor, Kluber rotation might be up there for most underrated 1-2-3. Too bad the Rangers don’t have the hitting to back them up.
Nor the defense
Which is crazy considering the Rangers didnt really have the pitching to back up the hitting from 2010-2016. They’ve flip flopped.
Yes, although I am much happier to face Renfroe over Pham.
It isnt underrated because that 1 2 3 doesnt exist. Glassnow has barely played
It isnt underrated because that 1 2 3 doesnt exist. Glassnow has barely played
Lay off the dope bud
Lay off the bud, dope?
Easy don’t get to excited!!
Severino didn’t even pitched for the Yanks most of last year and paxson was also injured. Where are the Ray’s making up the games?
Paxton started 29 games with an ERA+ of 116 last year, so I don’t know what your comment about “paxson” means. That lineup will get them into the playoffs. However, pitching wins in the Fall, and the NYY starting rotation is somewhat suspect now.
LOL. You’re a fool.
Tanaka will get hurt. Yankees staff is how they will get beat yet again.
Possible of course. But further injuries to either side could further change the picture.
Severino wasn’t in the mix last season either, when the Yanks won 103 games. The loss from last year is CC, replaced by Cole.,
The reduced time at the outset of the season for Paxton and the apparently forgotten Domingo German. who will miss the 1st 2 months for his suspension certainly gives them a significant hurdle to surmount.. Gotta play the games though, so we’ll see.
The Rays have made some moves on the player side. But will Renfroe, Tsutsugo, J Martinez, and Margot, offset the loss of Pham and Avy Garcia? The latter 2 totaled 5.7 bWAR, The 3 adds (excluding Japan’s Tsutsugo) was a net 4.1 bWAR in ’19. Looks like the Rays traded more for better OF defense – The oWAR of the 3 adds trails that of the 2 departed 2.6 to 5.2., but dWAR of Margot and Renfroe was +2.2, – Pham and Garcia -.6 – than for offense. There are better metrics here of course. We’ll see what Tsutsugo (and Arozarena?) brings and what improvement a CF platoon with Margot and Kiermaier delivers.
We definitely got stronger on defense. We shall see what happens. I still think it’s gonna be a race to the end. No team in the AL East is going to run away with the division title.
German won only 18 games through early September last year. How could he be a factor for the last 100 games….. There seems to be an assumption that the Rays will experience no pitching injuries.
The difference is pitching depth. The Rays have way more of it than the Yankees. We have pitchers in AAA/bullpen that would be in most rotations.
Morton
Snell
Glasnow
Chirinos
Yarborough
McKay
Richards
Banda
Beeks
Honeywell*
Even As a yankee fan I have to agree. Cashman went as bare bones on pitching as he could. Didn’t sign Betances and he thought thought his rotation was set?!?? cashman better come up with something.
Yeah, signed some bum for almost half a million.
@longpantslow
My GOSH. What must they do? Have a $500 mil payroll. Read the tea leaves. Signing Cole for a record breaking deal while over the lux tax meant sacrificing Bets, Didi and Romine. I’m sure he was given instructions to get Cole but not balloon the payroll near $300-325.
Severino and Paxton not being avail was not a known fact. Still, I think the Yanks can get thru it. We didn’t have Severino for most of 2019 and the Yanks still won over 100 games.
Yanks need Cole to be Cole. They need Tanaka to keep them in games and stay healthy. They need Happ to figure out things and at least be a 4 ERA guy. The offense can make an “ok” pitcher become a 18 game winner. German last year with a 4.08 ERA. But the Yanks can’t afford too many more injuries to key people. I hope Paxton comes back as the 2nd half 2019 Paxton. Hopefully, the TJ will be successful and help Severino return to the TOR talent he;s been.
The deficit in the division will shrink because of the Severino injury but I still think the Yanks beat the Rays for the AL East.
Why do you say that? The Yankees won the division by a very comfortable margin last year, without Severino, Stanton, or Gerrit Cole.
Now they’re adding two of the three, as well as several other players who’ve spent long stints on the IL, and are of course statistically less likely to all get injured again.
Yeah that sucks for him and the Yankees. Yankees were my pick to win it all in 20 with Cole it seemed like they’d built a starting staff to match that lineup but with Paxton set to miss time and now Severino out the entire season their rotation looks completely different. They managed to do well with just about anyone they plugged into their lineup through injury’s last year but I don’t see them fairing nearly as well plugging in starters. Paxton needs to get healthy and stay healthy or they may have a tough time winning the AL East much less the World Series
The answer is simple:
Bartolo.
He’s an upgrade over happ anyways. Results may not be the greatest (tie with happ) but at least people LIKE colon and want to see him have any type of success on the field.
Call down to Mexico and buy Bartolo for a song.
It’s obvious that you’re just looking for any kind of response, so here it is.
Heh^
Chris Farley and David Spade singing “Eres Tu” in Tommy Boy should get the deal done. Send Mexico a YouTube clip.
Happ’s results are the same as Colon’s? What world are you living in?
Happ, last three years: 39-25, 108 ERA+, 8.8 SO/9
Colon, last three years: 14-26, 75 ERA+, 5.3 SO/9
Doesn’t look the same from where I’m sitting.
In 2016, who bet Tanaka’s elbow would hold out this long? Remember his UCL has had a minor tear for years now.
Hoping Severino a speedy recovery!
Yeah dude I honestly completely forgot about that like most, but I didn’t think it would be this long for sure looking back. But damn imagine that goes..
Tanaka took a couple of months to figure out how to pitch with that tear in his ligament. Sevy’s been on the shelf for a year now.
He’s a different pitcher. He needs to throw hard to be successful, and he can only do that after surgery. So the recovery will happen in summer of 2021, at the earliest.
🙁
Dam
Even from a RS fan perspective, this is sad news. Good luck Luis.
Yep. Mets fan here, this sucks. Hopefully he can make a full recovery.
Glad he was smart and inked his extension. For every Mookie, the injury risk is just too great in sports to risk every last dollar.
Pitchers break lols…
O’s fan here. Sorry for the individual—no pity for the team frankly.
Don’t fret baseball world. The Yankees will bring up a teenager from single A and somehow be better the Severino. Seems like their story.
Not the teenage part, though. All their wonder subs last year were in their mid to late 20s.
1. Redsox
2. Yankees
3. Rays
4. Blue Jays
5. Orioles
Red Sox in first? You are delusional. They have the fight of their life coming to finish in third place.
Still 2018 champions with good offense and good (enough) pitching, but I think the Rays will be strong so you’re probably right
They cheated in 2018
Good enough pitching:? Lol, they have Sale, who’s coming off a down year, and nobody else.
According to reports, Boston didn’t cheat in 2018, but did cross a line baseball doesn’t want to cross. Any sign stealing they did that year was the normal, allowed kind, and using technology to educate the players on what the signs are might have been not allowed (and thus worthy of whatever the appropriate punishment is) but certainly wasn’t cheating of any major substance…unless there was more to it than has been reported thus far.
Sounds like they did what Tex says the Yanks did. Funny how the media didn’t run with they story.
In 2018 they were home team in all 3 series.
Went (1-1) at Fenway in ALL of them.
Won outright on the road every series never returning to Fenway to win it all
They should easily finish in 3rd
Don’t think it will be easy 3rd think the jays will be a .500 ish team
He was clearly joking.
Beisbolista it’s not the Red Sox that Yankees have to worry about in East but without Severino it opens the door that much more for a very talented Rays team.
@Bruin, With Paxton and Severino both down, the door for the Rays in the AL East is certainly a bit wider open.
Red Sox are going to be nowhere close to division winners
No freakin way Toronto finishes above Os
They are a lock to do so.
The O’s are the worst team I’ve ever seen coming into a season. Worse than last year and they only won 54 games.
You didn’t see those late 80’s Braves teams.
at least those late 80’s teams had glavine, smoltz, avery, justice, gant among others coming up (the o’s aren’t anywhere close to that, talentwise)
The mariners might want to argue with you for who will be worse
Huh? The Mariners aren’t in the same class as Baltimore…they actually have some young talent
Lol – die hard man, it’ll be about 4 more years. Rays & Yanks for a while w Toronto in play too.
Yankees are Red Sox from 3 years ago:
-Good farm system
-Few big ugly contracts
-Few young studs that are going to cost a lot in arbitration soon
They just don’t have any rings to show for it, and their window is closing
Good farm system? It’s below average. Average from the pitching side, but piss poor on the position players.
One big ugly contract with Stanton. Aaron Hicks needs to stay healthy, while Severino needs to get healthy. Cole’s contract could be ugly if he gets hurt early in his 9 year contract. He’s 29.5 years old, so the FO is gambling that his early years will more than offset his latter years. It’s a gamble they needed to take (imagine if they hadn’t?).
Arbitration will start to bite next year with Judge. Others soon to follow.
Window is wide open now, but won’t be forever.
Boston will be lucky to top Baltimore!
People are really underestimating the magical power of Verdugo’s tattoos and cheerleading from the bench. I am talking real magic…not that David Blaine B.S. This is Gandalf magic, man!
That’s silly talk. Not only will the Sox the O’s they should take the Jays as well.
People are forgetting just how good RS were in 18. I expected them to compete in 19 even without answering legitimate bullpen concerns they just had an off year and Sales health is huge for them as well. When they traded Betts and Price I think everyone saw it as giving up but I still think there’s enough there to make some noise if things go well. Saying the O’s will finish ahead is just pure nonsense
Red Sox will be lucky to finish in 3rd. They haven’t improved their team from last year. There isn’t any reason to think they’ll do well.
Care to put your money where your mouth is on that one? I’ll give you a payout of 3 for every 1 on your part for good measure. I’m quite sure you wouldn’t bother with that…just a big mouth.
Yep, you got that right
Yankees are still loaded but do not sleep on Boston.
Boston? Chaim Bloom just punted on the season bro. Boston is all about 2021 and beyond. This division is yankees vs rays
I’ll say it again in plain english:
Do not sleep on Boston.
Boston could win the division, they could win 80 games. Were you alive in 2013 when they were supposed to fight for dead last in the division and wound up winning the World Series?
Just saying anything could happen is not really saying anything at all, regardless of how plainly it is said in English.
I never underestimate the R Sox. If Sale, Eovaldi and ERod have strong years and Devers, Bogey, JDM, and Benny do the same, things can happen. It’s still a team with a significant body of talent.
I dont remember Boston trading their best player and #2 pitcher before that year
I’m with you guys on the Red Sox. They won’t be 2018 RS but even after the Betts/Price deal I see them improving from 2019. Definitely some big ifs and I’m not going to make any bold predictions but I’m not counting them out. Between Paxton’s health and Severino going down for the year I went from really liking the Yankees chances to a toss up with the Rays with a RS possibility in there. Jays are better for sure but I see them being a few pieces or so away from making a push in a strong AL East. I think both wild cards coming out of the East is very possible
Chief, you’d have to be a fool to write off the Red Sox with their offense. They have a puncher’s chance and a healthy Chris Sale along with E-Rod gives them one of the better 1-2 punches around.
Are you joking? The Red sox have a lot of talent but they are not contending this year. Their rotation had question marks with price. Without him they need a Cy Young effort from Sale and Eovaldi to pitch 30 games. The outfield defense takes a plunge losing betts and JD Martinez is a dh. Boston is an 85 win team at best
JD Martinez was a DH last year and the year before that.
How many of those 85 wins will they have by August, o’teller of the future?
As you said, lots of talent. Because of that, do not sleep on the Boston Red Sox.
Youre a total homer. With betts gone youll have your dh logging more games in right where he’s horrible. Enjoy boston being .500 this year
You’re right.
the 2018 Red Sox cheated…last season is probably closer to their true showing
2017? 2016?
A lot went on last year, such as horrible team chemistry.
#cheatnAstros2017Champs: JDM is capable of carrying the team ala BigMouth Papi and this lineup on paper is better with Devers and Bogie. Big if but if the starters hold up, the Sox can win it. I didn’t expect it then nor do I expect it now. The point is the season is played for a reason. When was the last time, the so called favorite won it all?
Dude, no one is ever going to take you seriously with that user name lol
I’m not a Red Sox fan, Astros. Blue Jays. As a division rival I see clearly. Clean your house first.
It’s a two team race….Yankees and Rays….
1..Rays
2. Yankees
3.Blue Jays
4. Red Sox
5. Orioles
I keep seeing that from Rays fans (even before Paxton and Sevy went down). I haven’t seen a single NYY fan post predicted standings with the NYY on top. Not one. And yet its said we’re arrogant.
Oh come on now. You really can’t be claiming with a straight face that nobody (not one, even!) on this site posted that NY would not only win the division, but also the WS after Cole signed.
Of course not, because you aren’t going to finish first!
Even if Cole went down with a season ending injury, and the Ray’s bullpen burned out in April, the Red Sox will be lucky to see third place after June 1st. By the time September rolls around, they’ll be firmly anchored in fourth place. Forbes ranks the Red Sox as the third most valuable MLB team. Think about how much money comes into Sox. Broadcasting rights, Fenway Park’s non-game day events. Merchandising… Just think about how much more the Red Sox make from winter coat sales than the Marlins do. Now think about how Henry offered Mookie Betts a symbolic middle finger instead of realistic extension. No Betts, no Price, no Cora; instead you’ve got a deflated team, apathetic owner and a manager who didn’t have a full off season to prepare.
LOL, you obviously have no idea on how to build a championship club. Henry and his staff have won more times since taking ownership than any other club. ENOUGH SAID.
Very brutal treatment of a team that is only a little bit removed from a WS title, lol, calm down
Hahaha those winter coat sales really make or break a team. Teams in southern states must really be kicking themselves since they are missing out on that sweet, sweet winter coat money.
uh, no. Red Sox will have to settle for third in their division this season…
this is the worst comment ive ever seen on this website. and i dont even like the yankees or rays – this is just uneducated trash.
Well, piss!
Trade incoming
Serious question: Would the Yankees consider trading Frazier or Andujar (or both):?
The yankees are officially open for business! This is a devastating injury for a team that just gave Cole 324 million. Its not even April and 3/5 of their rotation is suspended/seriously hurt. You cant have that much pressure on Gerrit all year. I expect Devi Frazier and Andujar to all be available for a starter
what happens when Cole regresses?
Maybe Jon Lester..who knows..
I’m with you Astros. The Yankees made a big statement signing Cole. They made a commitment to slam the throttle on 2020 and deal with the down years at the end of that contract in doing so. They can’t lay back down Severino is too big of a piece to lose and do nothing. With Paxton on the shelf for however long he’s down that just adds to the urgency
What happens when Cole regresses? Maybe Red Sox fans finally reach “completion?”
Cole could even be headed for injury soon. You con’t pitch 250 innings without putting a toll on your arm.
Teams are making enough to eat massive contracts. We see players with salaries north of 30 mil/yr. and think a team is gambling the house with such high numbers. However, when you actually look at a teams 2020 valuation, plus the massive amounts of cash flowing in to these teams, you’ll see that elite level player salaries have become a bargain for these teams; especially the Yankees. Even the highest level luxury tax is nothing more than a bit of petty cash. It’s a major issue to be worked on when the MLB and the MLBPA fight over their next agreement. After that, we’ll all be shocked to see just how high MLB players’ salaries skyrocket.
LOL. what about draft choices and international slot money? Boston got under the tax in 17 and the Yankees did in 18. Sox are doing it now so they won’t be penalized more and can rebuild for the future. This is the Yankees window and I can see them piling on for someone on his last year but they will suffer down the road if they don’t reset in 21. After that big money will be owed for Judge, Sanchez and Torres assuming they choose to keep them all. This year still has dead money with Ellsbury, Severino and who knows with Hicks and Paxton?
i think after this they might just. Maybe they ask LAD about a package including Stripling for Andujar.
What are the Dodgers supposed to do with Andujar?
Hypothetically, keep him in the minors for a late season trade.
They would be selling low on both guys. Losing Severino shouldn’t prompt a desperation trade.
They are dying to get rid of Frazier. He does not fit Yankee culture.
I do think they want to get rid of Andujar. Unproven, cannot play the field.
If he’s unproven and can’t play defense then that kind of explains why he isn’t gone already though
Consider trading Frazier or Andujar? That’s too funny. They’d trade them in a heartbeat, but the question is what they would get for the butcher in the OF or the butcher in the IF.
Both are offense only players.
There isn’t much available right now.
There is when u get desperate.
But since anyone worthwhile even on non contenders is already penciled in they would be trying to trade for an MLB ready prospect, or drastically overpaying to take a SP off a non contenders 26man.
Astros2017Cheaters knows about desperation.
The Yankees have the young talent to make a starter available. The question isn’t whether they’ll add a starter it’s how high they’ll aim.
*ziiiiing
Astros2017champs, you might want to rethink your username.
“Harvey Weinstein is a heckuva guy” might be a better name than the one you are using.
If only from a self preservation perspective …
But you’re username is a lie
Matt Boyd for Frazier and Andujar
Matt Boyd? Nah. The Yankees have enough in house to avoid giving up even a mediocre prospect. Montgomery and Loaisiga are both a better option than Boyd.
Montgomery (4IP) and Loaisiga (31 IP) are crap shoots. Boyd pitched 185 IP and struck out 238 batters. Right now the Yanks have a #1, a #4, and 3 crap shoots.
Excuse me while I find a bridge to jump off of.
Very sad for a great young player. Queue the Yankee haters’ laughter.
Really a huge bummer coming off rotator cuff inflammation. He will have quite the climb back now, honestly. Stinks because after getting with Pedro he was exciting to watch.
If they’re laughing it’s in silence. Even the most ardent haters never want to see young talent get injured.
This injury and the Paxton injury to a lesser extend without a doubt gives AL East competitors a better chance at beating them. But nobody should want to win that way. Have to pull for Severino to bounce back after TJS it’s a tougher road being down last year as well. The Yankees need to wipe their tears and get to the business of adding another starter and pray the other 3/5 of the staff remain healthy losing another would be devastating
Bummer for Luis, wonderful for baseball…
No laughter. Definitely not a Yankees fan, but never wish major injury to anyone. I also don’t believe this dramatically hurts their overall chances. That team is still loaded.
What looked like a steal of a contract will now be $40 mil for one season if the Yanks even get that.
Supremely ironic that the Hicks 7/70 and Severino 4/40 deals, done about a month apart, are going the way they are.
Hicks has been hurt his entire career this can’t be a surprise but Severino at the time looked super club friendly but now due to the fact Severino will probably only pitch in 20ish games in the first 3 years of the deal it’s very player friendly
Can’t imagine Cash would have don that deal if they expected Hicks to be hurt and I don’t think fans have a better crystal ball except in hindsight…
Not sure how club friendly it really was? They bought out 3 Arb years for about 36M including what they paid in 2019 on the deal. They got one FA year for 15M for guaranteeing his salary at a slight premium over his team control years. It could have been about scratch with the last year as value, but it wasnt like they were buying 3 or 4 FA years at a discount.
If he remained healthy there is a lot of surplus value in that extension even if they just bought out one FA year. Severino is really good if he’d remained healthy teams would have been chomping at the bit to sign him with his age and skill set when he hit FA. Top of the rotation guys with relative youth require a huge commitment. Look at what Wheeler pulled in and I’d take Severino in a second over wheeler(again if healthy)
This talk makes me laugh at everyone who disrespects Pedroia. The Hicks contract was bizarre given his injury history yet both contracts were clearly favorable on per year amounts. Hicks if he were healthy when he became a free agent would have gotten then less years but more per season, probably 4 x $15m and Seve was potentionally another Betts or Cole and they got one more year to see if he could stay healthy. Back then, people including me questioned the Hicks move but no one should argue about Steve’s deal. The Yankees deserve credit for looking ahead despite how they deals turned out. Just my take.
Pedie, Hicks and Seve all took guaranteed money and it paid off for each of them.
Yeah crazy.
Hicks was not unexpected. Severino looked like a bargain. Now, not so much.
Of course it was. They wouldn’t have done the deal if injury were expected. And fans didn’t have a better crystal ball except in hindsight.
Even IF Servino never throws another pitch for Yanks, Servino has provided 102 million in value already. He’s earned that 40 million.
All pre arb players are supposed to produce positive value since its not hard to produce 500k worth of value at current 9M per 1 WAR the FA market pays. They already got almost all that value before they signed the deal with him when he could have still been cut before making more then about 6M instead of 40M.
This whole valuing WAR at a dollar amount is beyond ridiculous. No one in the front office of NY believes that Severino has already earned his full $40M, let alone $102M. I feel bad for Luis, but it makes me wonder why they didn’t look into this more back in Sept when the forearm issues apparently started. I have not heard anything about his off season work or monitoring by team doctors. The same goes with Paxton. Seems like the Yankees were taking the old ‘wait & pray’ approach versus actively monitoring their injured players in the offseason. Now it’s scramble mode time to try and fill (2) big holes in their rotation. Also not sure what NY will do when German’s suspension is over. Do they welcome him back with open arms or do they give him the Addison Russell treatment and keep him in the minors for PR reasons? The NY dream season is starting to turn into a scream season for them already.
I think Severino knew this was a possibility at the time locked in some money.
Bummer – but they should have seen this last season when he went out. A year wasted now!!The Ortho Drs NYY use have a reputation of not being the best in the USA and better ones used in MLB. Heard this from other TJ ortho surgeon specialists, Including my son’s TJ performing surgeon.
Now gotta lump a package of players to get an ACE – go Cashman !!
No player or organization should be eager to get TJ surgery unless they’re absolutely certain its necessary. It’s still a significant surgery and there’s no guarantee a player will recover 100%.
Tommy John is always recommended when your ucl is ruptured or seriously torn or partially torn. The procedure is actually so commonplace now and so effective its almost always the smart play. Its just a super long recovery time which is why people delay it.
“almost always” is an important concept because it also means “sometimes not”. Tanaka is a good example of “sometimes not”.
Trying rest and failing does not mean you made the wrong choice.
The general shelf life for the UCL replacement is 5-7 years, and history shows a 2nd + ucl replacement isn’t favorable. It may be common place, but it should generally be the last ditch effort.
I’m not saying you’re wrong. You have a valid point. But i do believe Tanaka should have gotten Tommy John. He has never been as good since his rookie year. That dude had the best 6 pitch arsenal ive seen from a guy who only threw 92 mph. He has pitched effectively without it for sure but i think the yankees made the wrong move. Just my opinion
In my opinion when you start talking about TJS or trying to rest and rehab I pick TJS. That’s just going off the cases I can remember and the ultimate result. I don’t know statistics I could have missed plenty of examples but every time I’ve seen it the pitcher comes back with less than his best stuff and has surgery shortly having returning if they return at all. It sucks but accept it and get it done
Rest and rehab is always the first option. Years ago, there was serious chatter about Tanaka needing TJ and he worked himself out of it. I have no idea why sports wouldn’t have the best Ortho’s since there is a ton on the line ($$$).
Not only that, Tanaka’s averaged 30 GP over the past 4 years.
And….. Tanaka has been lights out in the postseason when it matters.
Um, u have an ACE, his name is Gerrit Cole
Dude u know what I meant – plus one ACE is not enough. Need 2 – ask the NATS !
Could be a blessing in disguise. Yanks only had two pitchers penciled in for the 2021 season ( now maybe only one). The open spot this year’s gives them a chance to test out the kids to see if they can fill the 3, 4, and 5 spots in house. If not expect a trade at the deadline.
That would hardly be a win now play. That’s what the Yanks were after. Win now.
Who were the 2 aces on the 2015 Royals?
Royals did it with mirrors and voodoo. No aces needed.
The Royals were not in Win Now mode. They were in Catch Lightning In A Bottle And Win Once In Every 30 Years Mode. The Yankees weren’t looking for a long odds route to the WS. They never are.
They had just been there in 2014 though, fair to say they had some expectations going into 2015.
The Royals had innings eaters and the best bullpen in baseball in the last 20+ years. All they needed to do was get the game to the 6th inning and it was over once they turned it over to them.
Not to mention the greatest collection of contact hitters in league history. They had no power. Just put the ball in play
Good point, the Royals and Giants team that won titles never struck out
That’s a great description of the Yankees. No stacking a team doesn’t guarantee you anything but it sure increases your odds. The Dodgers havent won one in years but I’d take that team and that farm in a second
Wonder if Boston will look to void their trade now because of Verdugo’s back fracture and get Betts and Price returned.
My money is on Tampa Bay now for the AL East this year unless NY can trade some of their corner infielders for good starting pitching.
Even with these injuries people on banking on Tampa being healthy as well their pitchers also are coming with Question marks and its a long season both will be up there fighting for the division but don’t count out the Yankees they still overall have a better club than Tampa and the team that wins the division will have to try and beat up on Orioles and a much improved Toronto Ballclub.
I’m not counting the Yankees out necessarily they were my pick before injury to Paxton and Severino but this hurts bad. This team doesn’t look like the juggernaut I predicted beforehand. I think they have pushed enough chips in the middle they need to push in some more and get at least a good quality starter if not a mid-top guy
Wtf. Void a trade weeks after it happens and players are with new teams? Gotta love MLBTR
Trade voiding comment was a joke…sorry that flew by…but as bad as the Boston FO looked turning down Graterol, I could have seen Bloom actually look into it!
Y Diaz and Tsutsugo and B Lowe are going to explode this year. And I like Morton-Snell-Glasnow just fine as a top 3.
Red Sox/Dodger trade is finalized. Red Sox/Dodgers/Twins trade wasn’t finalized.
All the reporting states the Sox knew about the back injury before the trade.
They knew about his injury. The point was to get under the lux tax, and have something for the future. I wasn’t 100% on the Yanks before either. They had subs come in for the injured last year and they played out of their minds. We’ll see what this year brings. Judge is iffy already, Stanton has another year on him. I think it’ll be more interesting than people think.
I think before the injuries to Paxton and Severino it was hard not to like that team. Yes they likely had some good luck to go with there bad luck in the injury department last year but players being healthier this year should easily close that gap. Yankees were historically beat up health wise last year you can’t expect that to continue. Don’t see them needing all those guys to come in and play their best ball in years again this year. Statistically improbable. They are relying on getting production from the guys that are know to have the talent just had injury issues like crazy last year. But losing Paxton for awhile and Severino all season is devastating
So, over the 2019 – 2020 season, will be almost out for the entirety of each. Yanks rotation now takes a huge blow, and what was once a huge strength is now a little weak (assuming Paxton is out till June).
Cole
Tanaka
Happ
Montogmery
Loaisiga? Garcia comes up? (But it will be German when he is back)
Another brilliant insight from Rangers29!
What’s your problem today? First ragging on everyone about the RS/LAD Betts trade, now this?
His mom stopped stocking his basement freezer with Hot Pockets.
I’m guessing this comment is pure fan hate between the A’s and Rangers. Whatever a Rangers fan says Moneyballer is certain to hate on. Or he’s just a troll or both
We’ll see if Tanaka holds up.
When was pitching a “huge strength”? Not in 2019, when it was far and away the weakest part of the team.
2020 people oversold the pitching. Tanaka has been dealing with injuries his whole career. Sevy was injured all of last year so he was an unknown. Paxton has back surgery. German…that POS…was never very good. Happ…come on.
You’re using current knowledge to justify an opinion you had before the injuries happened. You can’t assume injuries like this. All pitchers have these risks they just happened to hit the Yankees
It’s next man up Mantra can showcase what D.Garcia can try and do in spring training. They just have to pray Cole, Tanaka,Happ hang on and that Montgomery and either Garcia, Cessa hold the forte until D.German comes back. Wont be surprise the Yankees bring in the Dark Knight one never knows they work miracles with guys past their prime or down like Aaron Small, Big Sexy Colon to name a few.
I’m sure the Os would take Frazier for Cobb. Cobb was hurt last season but he’s healthy now and has a long track record of success in AL East on an affordable contract with one more year of control. Gonna be tough to find a quality starter anywhere else at this point in season.
Why would the yankees make that trade? Frazier is a young talented hitter and improved defense and cobb is an awful starter making a ton of money who is also injury prone.
Frazier is a terrible outfielder. Sadly, however, he’d be a defensive upgrade for the O’s.
That terrible pitcher has a career era below 4 pitching in the AL East. I forgot Yankee fans expect some team to give up their ace for free a month before season starts just because.
Just stating the obvious, but for the past four years on mlbtr, all we have read about is how the quartet of Loisiaga, Sheffield, Cessa, Deivi Garcia and Montgomery would all be the 2nd coming of Cy Young for the Yankee rotation. It is now time to put the myths to bed and see if it was all hype or are they bullpen pitchers? Sheffield is now with the Mariners, removing him from the equation. It also will be interesting to see if Cole is Houston Cole or the Pirates Cole, because stadium and team makes a huge difference on the player from year to year. No one knows if they get one good start from Happ, followed by five bad starts, Tanaka too has had arm troubles, but avoided TJS, which makes him also a question mark in 2020. Will the innings on his arm finally catch up to him, putting him under the knife too? Teams aren’t going to line up to help the Yankees unless they dramatically overpay for a starter. Expect Cashman to have to include Andujar, Frazier, plus other top prospects, even if it is for Francisco Liriano, because every team takes advantage of others when they become desperate. It is a long season and the results will be decided on the field after 162 games, not in spring training.
With the exception of Sheffield, I have not heard about the 2nd coming of Cy Young for the likes of Loisiaga, Cessa, Deivi Garcia and Montgomery. That’s just hogswallop.
I can tell you with certainty the yankees will get Astros cole. Pirates cole was taught to use his 2 seamer and induce groundballs. The Astros ditch 2 seamers and teach pitchers with his stuff to throw 4 seamers up in the zone. Cole just has to deal with the new york pressure which is not easy.
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As for the NY pressure I think the Astros postseason pressure was probably good training for Cole.
I think your overblowing expectations on those guys. I’m sure the Yankees liked their upside and hoped they’d be production major leaguers but I don’t think anyone predicted much less expected all of those guys to just come in and fill out their rotation with ace production top to bottom. More than likely they hope a few of them turn out to be productive major leaguers and pray one could have ace like stuff
I love how much y’all love Frazier.
It’s not a matter of loving him. It’s recognizing what the NYY have to offer… Frazier, Andujar, Ford, Garcia… It is what it is…
And it doesnt make sense having something like 4 closer types in the bullpen w/o a healthy starting staff. I think Yanks will need to include one of their proven bullpen pieces (Kahnle?) to sweeten an offer for a starter.
Finlander, I was thinking about Kahnle, too.
Demented minds think alike! Lol, thanks! Yep – I think a proven bullpen piece like Kahnle would be a more attractive add to a deal than a hyped prospect. Yanks have enough good young arms to assign to the pen to backfill a loss there. Chapman, Britton, Ottavino, Green, plus the young guys….think pen is covered.
What they give up is solely about who the trade partner is. Let’s say it’s a rebuilding club, what interest would they have in trading a starter centered around a win now bullpen arm? If you are trading with another contending team it would certainly take a major league roster subtraction but who would that team be? What contending team out there has starters to burn to bolster their pen? I see how value for value that makes sense but when you think about a trade a little deeper I think it’s unlikely to include a piece of their pen
Kahnle might be more of a “put out a fire” type than a “win now” piece. He is still young enough for a rebuilding team to develop him into someone for high leverage late innings. Pittsburg, KC, Seattle, Detroit come to mind, maybe Toronto when they eventually trade Giles. I don’t think a rebuilding team turns down a Kahnle or a Green or a Cessa offer for their starter.
Given that, I agree with an earlier post that Yanks should be talking with the Dodgers. A deal between them would be interesting to say the least…and unlikely..
The Yankees want to get rid of Frazier. They have punished him enough by stashing him in AAA. He does not fit Yankee culture.
He’s young and will return to superstardom, but it still sucks losing almost 2-1/2 seasons to injuries (figuring June, 2021 return).
After listening to Yankee fans trash Chris Sale the last two years. This couldn’t happen to a more fitting fan base.
Sad for Severino, but not for the Bleacher Creatures.
Yeah I haven’t seen that at all. I’m actually a Sale fan. I’ve never “trashed” him for being injured. And I haven’t seen that.
I’ve seen many, many posts trashing Chris Sales health over the past two years. That hes all done, and needs surgery during the 2018 season. Or that it was a bad contract due to his health..
Your either new here, or oblivious to the anti-Red Sox theme here.
There is nothing in the anti-RS theme that even remotely approaches RS fan Yankee hate that runs around here. RS fans hate the Yankees and their fans more than RS fans like the RS. I’ve faced that since I was a kid. Rs fans tend to talk about the Yankees and their fans more than they talk about the RS. Kinda like you just did by bringing the RS into a Yankee thread. That’s typical.
About 20% percent of posters here are trolls. Don’t focus on their garbage.
Faced what since a kid? You aren’t a Cardinals fan?
Faced what since a kid? Are you a Yanks fan? I assumed Cardinals by your name
No self-respecting sports fan will celebrate a player’s injury on any team. That eye-for-an-eye attitude is just silly.
Your comment is pathetic.
Dennyd: When you get injured one day because Karma visits your front door, know the fan base to which you refer will sleep soundly, fool.
This is unreal. I wonder what the statistical probability of an injury year like they had is, in addition to major injuries to starters as soon as the next year begins. That’s a true shame. They may never be healthy with their core people still under control.
So much for the DAY TO DAY diagnosis.
So much for the DAY TO DAY diagnosis.
This is unfortunate for Severino and the organization. Meanwhile the Dodgers have no idea what to do with their 9 possible starting pitchers.
And that’s why you need more than 5 starting pitchers for a year
Having guys like May and Gonsolin as 7+8th options in the depth chart is such a luxury. Realistically, NYY may reach out about Stripling to LAD soon lol
9-12 will probably make at least 1 start.
should’ve been addison russell
Massive! HUGE!! This loss takes away the major impact of adding big money guy Cole to the rotation. Now the Yankees rotation is almost back where it was before the Cole signing. But on the bright side….they are very lucky that they did sign him because with no Cole and no Seveno everything changes.
Cole is still a huge upgrade to the rotation, he could easily win 20 games with this offense, so even without Severino who was out almost all of last year, it’s an improvement once Paxton comes back.
But, the Yankees need an arm now. Desperately.
Also lucky they didn’t trade Happ!
Massive! HUGE!! This loss takes away the major impact of adding big money guy Cole to the rotation. Now the Yankees rotation is almost back where it was before the Cole signing. But on the bright side….they are very lucky that they did sign him because with no Cole and no Seveno everything changes.
I thought we fired our entire strength & conditioning staff to avoid things like this? Yet here we are, two weeks into camp, and our #2 and arguably, #3 starters, are both out long-term, Severino likely through next ST.
There goes that World Series we were expecting unless Cashman overpays for at least one arm, and it has to be a good arm. I wonder what Arizona wants for Robbie Ray….
He got injured in 2019 – his last appearance of the year. He had multiple MRI and CT scans over the offseason. Who knows when those doctor visits happened.
Soreness/tightness in forearm is a sign of torn UCL. That was his issue in 2019 playoffs.
Chad Green for Jimmy Nelson
Chad Green for Jimmy Nelson
Yankees can rummage around in the discard bin, or use what they have, or overpay for a trade. I wouldn’t overpay. They should still make the playoffs.
Obviously, I don’t wish injury on any player. But as a Sox fan, the old adage “The WS isn’t won in the off season” comes to mind. All those claiming NYY would run away with the division…well, they may still be right. But the season is long and a lot can happen.
How is it that the Yankees didn’t realize this? As soon as they said forearm pain everyone else did. Anyway , instead of winning division by 15 games, maybe we only win by 5 games lol… by the way, anyone here agree the twins won’t be nearly as good if the ball isn’t as lively?… and now that hinch is fired, why does baker manage all star team not Boone?
Because the Astros won the pennant not the yankees
They cheated and mgr fired
The yankees were fined for technology in the same season. So were the red sox. Im really sorry the media ignoring this makes you feel like you guys were cheated instead of just not being good enough
That’s a really, really general response to specific facts about cheating. “Fined for technology) is vastly different than the worst scandal since the Black Sox.
No matter what team you root for, it’s never good to see a TJ recommendation. Here’s hoping for a quick recovery (assuming he indeed goes forward)…
If it’s recommended it happening
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Thank god you spent $324 mil on a pitcher to go once every 5 days
You laughing about an injury you sick jerk?!!
Lemme guess – Your AKA is Strike Four because only he could be that stupid
Sorry to see Severino go down. The Yanks still have plenty of firepower to overcome this. German and Paxton return and the Yankees are near the top, they will be fine. They acquired the ace they needed and the one team standing in their way didn’t address that move (Astros).
Yankees will also have the deadline to deal with any weak spots. They should be fine.
Damn this sucks. Hope he recovers well.
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If the Jays add a big bat I can see them finishing second….
They got that big bat in the great Travis Shaw. They aren’t signing Puig because they have the legend Derek Fisher.
This should turn the division into a foot race between the Yankees and Rays. I really thought the Yankees were going to add another decent veteran to their rotation.
Give Danny Salazar an invite to Spring.
This certainly isn’t a surprise for the FO. They were aware of a possible issue last season. They appropriately took a conservative approach to the symptoms/injury in the offseason and were hopeful the issues would subside/not require surgery. They didn’t. It happens. Now whether they made appropriate contingency/depth plans…that is a different question.
Can we interest them in a slightly used Jose Quintana?
The perfect picture for this caption…
Even if the Yankees had penciled Severino in this is hardly a sky is falling moment for them. If anything it’s just a loss of a luxury.
I don’t see this having any major effect on the the AL East or even the odds of the Yankees in the playoffs.
Highly disagree. If you’re expecting Tanaka and Happ to give you quality start after start until everyone is healed up then you’re probably expecting the Yankees to score enough every night to offset the mediocre pitching they are gonna get
Hate to see Severino need Tommy John. He might have been my favorite pitcher to watch pitch.
This won’t cause the Yankees many problems during the year, but this will undoubtedly hurt their chances in the playoffs.
You can’t win 10-8 enough to cover for the loss of Severino.
Matt Boyd to the rescue!
Sign McHugh. Problem solved.
Too bad they didn’t spread that money around on 2 or 3 guys. German, Paxton, and, serverino all out for significant time so much for Yankees “running away with the division” While yanks will watch from the sidelines and scapegoat someone else for why they lost XD
Because at the time they didn’t need 2 or 3 guys? At the time they needed an Ace for the postseason and there were only two of those available. Interesting how you use hindsight to try to sound smart. Brilliant.
Man…As a fan of the game, I’d like to see this team play at full strength after what they did last year with all of their injury woes.
Sad for Severino but I think the Yankees will be fine. They won 103 games with Tanaka, happ, German, Paxton and sabathia
They’ll figure it out and still win the division
Wow. Which demon(s) did the Yankees offend the past few seasons? They’re apparently paying for some unknown sins…
Hot take: If you’re on the IL (or no longer playing cc: David Wright & Dustin Pedroia), your salary shouldn’t count against the Luxury Tax
Nope
Teams can really exploit that with fake (or real) injuries. For example, Jacoby Ellsbury wouldn’t count against the Yankees’ and that’s a great advantage for a team that rich.
cause for concern especially if Cole regresses closer to the PIT pitcher than the HOU pitcher. Really think German is gonna win 18 games again with a 4.72 FIP?
I guess that’s why they play the games.
I don’t think German will start more than 18 games this year. I wonder what the PC backlash will be once German’s suspension is up. Will NY bring him back immediately or will they put him in the minors to avoid the negative press? With this Severino injury, they pretty much need to insert German immediately once his suspension is over and deal with the public backlash.
Yankees should have enough depth to hang on until Paxton & German are ready. It would be foolish to purge their minor league talent on the likes of a Danny Duffy or Jose Quintana, unless Garcia, Cessa & company prove they can’t handle the pressure.
Dorothy, you’re the only one bringing up the negative press. Twice. And you’ve done it in the past. I think is a soft campaign. By June he will have 1) served his 80-game suspension, 2) paid the equivalent of a multi-million dollar fine in lost income, 3) gone through counseling/treatment. I’m guessing he will be on probation for another year. We haven’t heard of a relapse for him or any other baseball offender. This is for slapping his partner in public. A horrible thing but he didn’t stab, shoot or kill her. We should be rehabilitating slappers not driving them from society. That’s just a bad social plan. I’m assuming German will be rejoining the staff, and he should.
This is a fair take assuming you have the same energy about Roberto Osuna, because it’s my opinion too.
Yankees should of traded for Kluber instead the Rangers get him for a spare tire and bucket of balls.
Ross Stripling might still be available????
Sure for Garcia+
Obviously, extremely unfortunate for both the Yanks and Severino. His contract extension looks like a shrewd move on his part now.
Huge blow, especially with Paxton out for God only knows how long.
1. Cole, 2. Tanaka, 3. Happ – Hope that Montgomery can regain original form. Schmidt was almost a top #50 prospect in Law’s rankings yesterday, maybe hope he can make a push and compete with King, Garcia for the last spots. A trade would be great, but imagine they’ll try to hold strong until it’s Cole, Paxton, Tanaka, Happ/Montgomery/Schmidt/King/Garcia.
Heck— Cashner is available… for 6 walks over 3 innings.
an opportunity for a diamond in the rough to make himself known.
go sign Matt harvey
All the so called experts saying the Yankees season begins in October…. may want to rethink that statement….
that really sucks. at least he locked in that contract for when he gets back.
Never could have enough pitching. Yankees should of signed both Wheeler and MadBum instead of one Cole. Don’t forget Tanaka elbow could be next to go.
They needed an Ace for the postseason. Anyone looks like a genius with hindsight. Nothing special there.
They wanted a true ace and they got one in Cole. Neither guys were on their radar nor should be.
Good thing the Yankees spent $325mil on Cole!!!
At the time they needed an ace for the postseason. (Still do, and they have one.) There were only two available. Strasburg went home. Cole was bid up. It was the right play. Hindisght doesn’t make you smart. Anyone looks like a genius with hindsight.
9 years for any starting pitcher no matter who it is is beyond stupid..
Nope. In 5 years the cost won’t look like much. If he has a career like Verlander it will be fine. If not the cost of a few “expensive” years for mediocre will just be the cost of doing business. It should be no worse than Price or Sale at the worst. Much better than say a deal for Sandoval. Now that was “beyond stupid,” as you so glibly say.
324 million for a pitcher lmao a guy who plays every 5th day and in 3 years will be David price when injuries pile up and all those miles set in on that arm. He isnt a finesse pitchers as soon as gas goes so does he.
Can’t wait to see you eat your hat or a crow if you’re wrong. Of course that requires you to be honest about your cheap prediction failing, and I don’t see that happening. You seem to forget about Verlander, by the way. He’s about Cole’s age at the end of the contract.
Your also picking 1 player out which has a .3% chance of that being cole. Verlander is a very rare case and should not be the gold standard for pitchers especially when he has retained most of his mph. Failing to include Felix Hernandez, kershaw, price, sale, roy Halliday is ironic lol. Keep trying yankee homer
Using Verlander is indeed a bit odd because he is made of iron. On that same team there is a parallel case of a guy who’s had to make serious adjustments (Greinke). Luckily he’s aged pretty gracefully and is a good HoF case, but still had the velocity bug bite him. Not like he’s a bad athlete either. So it could go either way with Cole.
The Cole signing was a typical yankee signing. George Steinbrenner would finally be proud. It’s also the type of signing that could get really ugly should Cole get hurt or lose his confidence. Its a win now trade
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In 5 years the cost won’t look like much. If he has a career like Verlander it will be fine. If not the cost of a few “expensive” years for mediocre will just be the cost of doing business. It should be no worse than Price or Sale at the worst.
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I don’t think we’ll see another contract like Cole’s again for quite some time. It will remain the largest contract given to a pitcher for years to come. The guy is complete horse, but it is a huge gamble by NY. They are banking on him aging like other big velocity pitchers (Clemens, Verlander, Scherzer) versus breaking down after 3-4 years like the majority of power pitchers do. If NY can capture 1-2 rings over the next 4 seasons then the contract will be worth it, regardless of how his career finishes. But if they can’t capture a title and Cole comes back to earth in 3-4 seasons, this contract will be an albatross. But he is the type of pitcher to take this chance on.
I don’t see the Cole being topped by any sp for awhile either. I don’t think Verlander is a good example to use but that doesn’t mean I hate the deal for the Yanks. They have a stacked lineup and Cole at the top
of their existing rotation and getting Severino back looked like this was a WS favorite(maybe Dodgers). They couldn’t have predicted injuries falling the way they did but you could argue that’s all the more reason for signing Cole. The Angels wanted Cole bad and his contract was simply what the market commanded. The Yankees have some cost controlled talent and they flexed their payroll muscle on top of it. You can’t predict injury
It would be nice to think that Cole will be the next Verlander, but it is not likely. The last person I can think of that is reminiscent of Verlander is Nolan Ryan. The point is these guys do not come around very often. As a fan, you can hope he is the next Verlander, but the reality is that he probably con’t be.. He has only had 2 good seasons in row. He needs to have a few more before you lump in with the Verlander/Ryan mold.
You never like to see talented players get injured. As an Angel fan, it is a scene I am all to familiar with. Heaney, Shoemaker, Richards all experienced injury after injury. Health is not something that can be taking for granted, especially in this day and age in MLB.
Eh, Yanks will just go buy another arm.
Or maybe they’ll get a pitcher from their MLB farm system. I’m betting Jeter will hook em up.
We have plenty of arms to get us to the trade deadline… maybe Verlander or Cueto might be in the pinstripes. Don’t stress Yankee fans. We have lots of arms. Don’t forget German will be back after 60 games
You think Astros are just going to let Verlander go to the Yankees? You’re out of your mind. And don’t even get me started on Johnny Cueto…
No problem. Cashman will sign Big Sexy, who’ll promptly finish third in the Cy Young voting….
Nah, Cashman used all his pixie dust last year. But the Yanks are still prohibitive favorites. Depending on who gets the breaks from the baseball gods, TB or Boston finishes well enough to get the Wild Card.
And please, let’s remember that activity at the trading deadline will be HUGE in this division this year, as it normally is. TB, Boston and Toronto could easily be big buyers; we already KNOW the Yanks will be. At the same time, the other three could be in sell mode.
How do you go from the off season to throwing one day in spring training to TJ surgery?
Severino is done hes going basically 2 years pitching a few innings it looks like he well never become the next pedro. Its already a horrible beginning 2 pitchers out. This is what makes me so scared when they give pitchers this massive deals one day they get hurt and its over for good.
“its over for good.”
It’s not a good situation but it’s hardly over for good.
Still paying stanton 300 million gonna have to pay judge and now paying cole 324 million. Mo your delusional if you think yankees are built to last.
Im with you dodger. Stantons contract was insane to take on. Judge has been banged up his whole young career. Im not paying a 280lb slugger in his 30s. The yankees need to be smart and keep the farm great but i dont trust cashman to do it. The pressure from yankees fans to win will probably cost cashman his job if he blows this window
Not a Yankee fan, but Cashman’s job is cemented for the foreseeable future. Hes going to go down as one of the great GMs. His trading of Chapman to the Cubs for Gleyber Torres only to resign Chapman the next season is an example of his high baseball IQ.
You know its amazing how you fans of other teams are such experts on Cashman, what he’ll do, how the Yankees will pay their premier players as they progress through Arb. and into their initial contracts….why you all stick to what you think you know rather than what you obviously don’t know anything at all about.
I dont equate high baseball iq to being able to pay a reliever 8o million in free agency bro
They could always just use technology to develop a top- down cheating scheme to tell them exactly what pitch is coming and have a great 3 years regardless of injuries or pitching?
Sorry dude….. Jays are not sniffing anywhere but 4th place with that pitching staff. Ryu was a waste of 20 mill a year and is going to get lit up like a Christmas tree in the AL east… and will be hurt before you know it… # 2 Starter Tanner Roark… really… he will be lucky to have an ERA under 4.50. Before you say I am a Red Sox fan just ripping on the Jays…. I got no ill will towards them and love their young position players and their line up will be very good…. but again if you had the Rays pitching…. then I would be thinking differently.
Been trying to convey this message to fellow Jays fans. It hasn’t worked. Blue Jays could somehow reach 3rd if things go their way, and they could be in last. I’m with you Cooper, the Jays staff is still a major question considering their #2 really should be Nate Pearson.
We are all Guests….. it was a reply to an earlier post… that ended up here on the bottom.
The Jays don’t have a great rotation, but damn that Nate Pearson is going to be a beast! That’ll be a scary team in a couple of years.
Jays are the most locked team in MLB. 100% chance for 4th.
They might beat the Red Sox and get third.
Not with that staff. Ryu won’t look a thing like he did in ’19 and he has an injury history.
Sox aren’t much better with basically a three man rotation. You can’t count on ol’ 4.50+ ERA Martin Perez to be anywhere decent. I’d take Ryu over anyone but Chris Sale. I’m still not sold on E-Rod or Eovaldi even being healthy.
You can question Ryus injury history but what makes you say he won’t be good when healthy? He was one of the best pitchers in baseball last year.
Moving from the nl west to the al east is an enormous jump
I agree, but he’s still a better choice than the majority of the Sox’s rotation.
Boyd for Florial,Deivi and Andjuar
Det would be happy with just one of those…
Delete your account please.
Yankees World Series 2020? Lol
LAD WS 1988. LOL.
Actually 2017/18 thanks! Yankees? 11 years ago lol
1988 is a lot more than 11 years. Try 32.
Again we won in 17’ and have been more relevant these past 8 years. We also just added betts, you lost half your rotation in 2 weeks lol
I’m not sure what’s being argued here but these injuries put the Dodgers above the Yankees as far as odds go in my opinion. Beforehand I was leaning Yankees. Let’s not be silly saying how the Dodgers haven’t won it in 32 years has anything to do with their current team. We may have been referring to them as winning it in 17 if not for cheating we will never know
U guys won? Lol. Bellinger mr.april hit .130
How ‘17 & ‘18? Just because the Astros cheated doesn’t guarantee the Dodgers win if circumstances were different. You understand that, right? I really hate to say this but I agree with Astros2017. You went from serious to delusional in a couple sentences. I’ve done the same, so no biggie. You can recover
Yankees #2, #3, and #4 starters out at least until mid-May.
Um, Tanaka was 4 at the least, and he’s still around. It’s not a pretty picture, but let’s not paint it worse than it is.
Yeh, more expert talk from the “experts” out there! Have you guys that can’t seem to stop talking about how bad things are for the Yankees even ever watched a Yankees game….or as it seems you just keep making this sh_t up as it spills out of your mouth bypassing your brain!
I guess that’s why the young talented players take those contracts that people question. Health is never certain.
LMAO!! Like glass!!
Hosmer and Lucchessi to Yanks for ??
What would they do with Hosmer?
If the Yanks will take Wil Myers, they can have Quantril 🙂
Not the end of the world – there are a few options out there for an early to mid season trade, but now it’s going to cost them a bit more if someone like Boyd has a good April and May.
Tropeano will surprise some people
Rays fan but I do fee bad for Severino & the yanks fans.. Boston fans are way worse for the record… Yanks should think about hitting up guys like matt garza or jame shields that didn;t pitch last year.
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They’d be a disaster in Yankee Stadium, though.
There’s the first domino. I suspect a Cole injury to happen sometime in the near future (or some form of ineffectiveness). You don’t throw around 250+ innings two consecutive seasons without taking a toll on your arm.
Yeah, Verlander is totally ineffective
There are a few exceptions, but generally pitchers who throw like that get injured or take a toll on their arm. Cole is an important case because they spent so much on him. A total overpay. He goes down, they’re screwed. By the way, he is two seasons removed from an ERA over 4.00 season. I know Cole is filthy but I’m not sold it was an intelligent investment on the Yankees’ end at that price. Way too much money and all eyes are on him if he gets injured. Give it two years of success but I see some decline in hindsight.
I do not agree. Cole has a very smooth and effortless delivery. I think he can continue to produce…BUT, I would expect a little pull back in overall production. He had a career year last year. Yankee stadium is also more hitter friendly than Minute Maid.
Cole is also a tenacious competitor and will want to pick up the slack for Paxton and Severino
Agreed.
We’ll see if he’s worth that kind of money. i think it’s a terrible overpay.
It was 2016 and Garrett Cole was shut down for the season. Per Rob Biertempfel of the Pittsburgh Tribune, the Pirates shut down Cole for the rest of the season due to a recurring elbow issue. .
The Pirates officially announced that Cole has been placed on the 60-day disabled list due to right elbow posterior inflammation. Things went from bad to worse when it was then reported:
This is yet another setback for Cole after he already went to the disabled list in August with elbow inflammation and dealt with a triceps injury in June that forced him to miss time.
Injuries and inconsistency have caused Cole’s performance to fall substantially this season with a 3.88 ERA, 131 hits allowed and 98 strikeouts in 116 innings. To complicate things, Cole suffered a right hamstring injury that will linger.
No one disputes what Cole did as an Astro in 2019, but from 2015 – 2018, Cole was a pitcher that many teams avoided, including the New York Yankees, seeing his injury track record as being the underlying cause. The Pirates traded him for what they could get, fearing he would regress as time went on. Now the Yankees are assuming the risk and pitchers that throw hard, having already suffered elbow injuries in the past, make Cole a prime candidate for TJS at some point. He is only getting older and the wear and tear on the elbow will become obvious, maybe not in 2020, but the future isn’t certain.
Gerrit Cole was excellent for the Astros in 2018
Exactly my point. Well said.
Oh no, what will they do?
Oh right, trade a few over hyped prospects for some small market teams’ best pitcher.
They’ll be OK.
Yikes…karma is a beyotch!
According to the story Severino first felt pain from this injury in the playoffs. I wonder why it took so long to come to the conclusion that he needed the surgery? Had they done it in November he would have had a chance to make a significant impact for the 2021 team.
I can’t believe the Astros did this
They won 103 games without him last year. With the addition of Montgomery and Paxton and German coming back soon they should be fine and still in contention to win it all this year!!!
looks like severino was smart to take the extension.
no way he’d clear 4/40 had he gone the standard route.
would have been lucky to clear 16 million over the first 3 years, at best would be looking at 12 million as an arb 4.
get well soon
Next man up.
HaHa!
m.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo
trade for Cubs Quintana !
I’m not sure Quintana would be a big upgrade over in house options or whether the Cubs would have a guy to replace him the Cubs are trying to shake things up or retool if you will and I’m not sure they have a better option than Quintana. Might be a rare example of a trade involving the Yanks pen that was mentioned above. The Cubs pen is questionable depending on Kimbrel
Not sold on ERod but ur sold on Ryu
Laughable at best
What’s your argument against Ryu? Injury or that he’s approaching typical decline years? If it’s one of those two I can’t say if you’re wrong or right only that time will tell but Ryus prefermonce wh
Out of curiosity what do you personally not like about Ryu? I can only assume it’s injury history or his age or a combo of the two. It can’t be performance history when healthy
Rut-roh…
Yankees are not going to win a WS with those starters so expect them to make a huge splash at the deadline. Matthew Boyd is available……
Maybe the Yankees and Cubs can start discussing a potential blockbuster deal involving Darvish and Bryant from now until the trade deadline??
How come this guy was the number one starter and yet pitched less than 4 innings per start in 8 postseason starts? What kind of message does that send? He has been horribly managed by a team that develops about one good pitcher per decade. I guess they will just buy some new guy. This stinks.
Yeah, his postseason innings, regardless of the excuses, were brutal to watch for the most part.
The best pitcher not mentioned is Domingo German, who had 18 wins by early September last year and will be available for the last 100 games. He and Paxton will both be available by June 1; doubt the Yanks are out of the race by then. The Rays are not immune to pitching injuries, either.
Good point.
Probable AL playoff rotations:
Yankees- Cole, Paxton, German
Rays:- Morton, Snell, Glasnow
Astros- Verlander, Grienke, McCullers
Twins- Berrios, Odorizzi, Maeda
Indians- Clevinger, Bieber, Carrasco
The Indians and Rays top 3 are all better than any of the Yankee’s pitchers other than Cole. Their playoff rotation will be FAR outclassed by any of those rotations outside of the Twins.
so much for that Yankee division title XD if I was a rays fan I would be excited right now. the great news just keeps on rolling in lol
That’s not great news. It’s actually pretty terrible news. If it meant someone had to go through TJ for my team to win, I’d take the loss. Say what you want, but I’m not willing to cheer bad health because it helps my favorite team win more games.
Operated on by THURSDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boy, that Medicare for All really works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bobtillman: I hate to say it, but one comment like this usually buys you several “conservative nut job” or “fascist” comments ‘round these parts.
They’re paying a billion dollars to the cheaters ace greedy cole, happless is 100 years old, tanaka is turning japanese and mediocre, german is in the hoosegow for domestic violence, cc bean has left the building and baxdone is on the wooden plank. But the bullpen’s led by howoldis chapman and his six shooter, bang bang.
That was poetic
Rocky? You poor thing just oozing of fear. You might want to lie down as you do not seem to have a grip.
Deal Frazier straight up for Boyd.
Detroit hangs up the phone
They very well may hang up, and it may make them feel good until they realize how low they will place once again, and for the foreseeable future.
Mick1956, Boyd is worth more than Frazier. An average starting pitcher will always have more value than a head case DH. Also, adding Frazier and subtracting Boyd would make the Tigers worse.
Don’t disagree and never said anything to the contrary. I only broached the phone hanging up comment, that would leave the Tigers in the same place they are as well. So, that suggestion (only Frazier) and response (hanging up) leaves both teams worse off.
Time for the Giants to trade Shark and Cueto and Belt to NYY for prospects. Make ’em take Crawford too.
No no and no……
Yanks need a starter and the Mets could always use another bullpen arm. How about Wacha for Green or Ottavino
Look… Im not a Yankees fan by far…. Butthat group overcame injiry after injury last year and really didnt have alot of pitching.. Now they have Cole. As much as I hate the Astros for cheating, their pitchers werent banging trash cans or hotting 400′ bombs so Cole is legit. Woth that offense, Cole on board, and and endless supply of capital, Yanks win 100 this year and we will see what happens in the playoffs
They did, we will see if they overcome again. Urshela has to have another anomaly year. LeMehieu has to do it now every day at one position after a nice comeback season. Still expect the softball team to slug out a lot of regular season wins and then hope for playoff luck.
Wrap your oversized foreheads around this little fact mouth breathers…. The yanks have so much $$ they could buy Verlander, Greinke and Scherzer if they wanted to…. Nothing is off limits for this team…. They are the richest team by far.. ( scary huh when you look at what the Dodgers just dobe with Betts and Price) hell, the yankees could buy all those pitchers and the Dodgers if they wanted to…. The money is endless and they are too talented to not fill servinos spot this yesr
That would be great!……if there were any ACE quality unsigned free agents sitting around waiting for a phone call. FYI, there aren’t. All that money doesn’t help at all in trades.
I’m fairly certain you did not get Cards77’s point. You may want to peruse it again.
Matt Harvey have any gas left in the tank?
Probably not as a starter. I’ve thought he would make a good closer.
I think the Yankees can safely run
1. Cole
2. Tanaka
3. Happ
4. J Montgomery
5. up for grabs, maybe Garcia is ready enough?
Until Paxton and German return mid season, pushing out what pitchers didnt work out for them.
Serverino getting TJ stings, but its not the end of the world. If Paxton and German were also out for the season and they didnt grab Cole, then maybe it would be the end of the world. However, the big need for SP is in the playoffs. I think theyll be fine for the first half of the regular season with a lacking rotation. I wonder if Jon Gray would be available by trade tho
Well said and 100 percent agree. It stinks but stay the course and if need be do something in the summer….
Yeah, Garcia with his 4.50 BB/9 is definitely ready for the big leagues. Having an overhyped reliever at best slot in at 5 is surely going to go over well
Another clear sign that pitch and innings counts work. I know players now are more open to TJ but they also get it more. Teach kids to throw long, throw more and pitch longer but without poor mechanics to get the extra few mph or spin. Also, take time off to recover. Guys used to throw 300 innings, now 200+ is overworking them….and more surgeries.
I think the increase in average velo is responsible for the average innings decreasing from 300 to 200. its like power punching in boxing, if you throw everything into every shot and throw high volume you’ll gas yourself out by the 4th, but a lighter hitting volume puncher can go all day
Please take Cueto or Shark.
We don’t need anyone right now, we have plenty of pitching. But we could take Samardzija in the summer, if his pitching is anywhere near where it was last year.
love seeing the yankees burn MUAHAHAAHAH
Which makes it sad that you can even generally be categorized as a baseball fan
Another New York great being taken down by injuries. Reminds me of Harvey. Hopefully for him and yankee fans the end result isn’t the same as Harvey.