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Camp Battles: Phillies Reserve Infielders

By Jeff Todd | February 4, 2020 at 11:14am CDT

Over the coming weeks, as Spring Training approaches and then gets underway, we’ll look at some of the camp battles that arise. The goal here isn’t to be exhaustive — obviously, there’s a ton of jockeying across the game for roster spots and roles — but to cover the contests that are particularly interesting and/or that carry notable hot stove implications.

First up: the brewing fight in Phillies camp for a utility infield job.

If you’re wondering whether the Phils are really done adding pieces this winter, you’re not alone. There’s a lot to like about the additions of Zack Wheeler and Didi Gregorius. But the roster would feel quite a bit more complete with a high-quality third baseman or center fielder plugged in. Picking up a hot corner stalwart makes particular sense, as it’d allow Scott Kingery to contribute in center and elsewhere. True, the club can allow things to play out and adjust in mid-season as needed — adding via trade or perhaps calling up top prospect Alec Bohm — but the early uncertainty could hurt in a hotly contested NL East.

Supposing the Phillies are indeed willing to roll with their existing options, their recent accumulation of veteran reserve infield candidates becomes all the more interesting. There’ll be quite a few assembled in Clearwater: Phil Gosselin, Logan Forsythe, Josh Harrison, T.J. Rivera, Ronald Torreyes, and Neil Walker. The club has certainly signaled that it has significant plans for one or more lucky former big leaguers. Drawing such players to sign non-roster deals is all about dangling opportunity; given the volume of experienced players on hand, it seems reasonable to deduce that the club has offered a chance at the prize (MLB action) that all these men seek.

Make no mistake: these guys are looking for bounce backs from a performance perspective. There’s a reason they were available for no commitment and in such volume. It’s anyone’s guess just how this group will look in camp — let alone how they’ll perform if and when given the chance in 2020 — but the Phils are obviously hoping one or more shows a spark.

More on each of the candidates:

  • Gosselin is obviously viewed as a trustworthy depth piece around the game, as six teams have given him MLB time over the past seven seasons. He’s not even close to being an average hitter over his time in the majors but did post a hefty (even in league context) .314/.405/.497 slash last year in 353 Triple-A plate appearances.
  • Forsythe has a ton of experience and turned in a solid first half in 2019. But he faltered down the stretch and ended with a .227/.325/.353 batting line. Once a sneaky offensive threat, Forsythe has now turned in three straight seasons of below-average hitting.
  • Harrison had hoped to find a return to prominence last year with the Tigers, but ended up limping through an injury-limited, ugly season. The 32-year-old’s big 2014 season is a distant memory. Then again, he was a high-quality all-around performer as recently as 2017. Even if the bat doesn’t quite come back to league-average levels, Harrison might be a worthwhile contributor on the bases and with the glove.
  • Rivera has been hampered by health issues and hasn’t appeared in the majors (or even much in the upper minors) since 2017. But he showed a productive bat with the Mets when last he was at full strength and could be an intriguing rebound candidate at 31 years of age.
  • Torreyes doesn’t excite with the bat, but he’s about as hard to strike out as they come and can play anywhere in the infield. Still just 27 years of age, he’s easily the youngest of those listed here. He’s also the only man on this list other than Gosselin that profiles as an option at shortstop.
  • Walker is the only player covered here who turned in something like league-average hitting in 2019. It wasn’t up to his prior standard, but Walker did improve from a down 2018 season by slashing .261/.344/.395 with eight home runs in 381 plate appearances. He’s also the only one of the group that hits from the left side (as a switch-hitter), perhaps increasing his utility as a part-time option not only at third base but also on the right side of the infield.

It’s an interesting mix to watch. The Phils are otherwise rather settled in the infield, with Gregorius and Kingery set to line up opposite Jean Segura and Rhys Hoskins. As presently situated, one or (quite possibly) more of the players listed above will end up claiming jobs. There’s just one other infielder on the 40-man roster: youngster Arquimedes Gamboa, who is still trying to get his bat going and has yet to appear beyond the Double-A level.

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  1. Rangers29

    5 years ago

    Forsythe was a great player for the rangers up until about mid-August when he went from a .300 average with a few homers to no homers and a .225 average. Tell me Dodgers fans, does he always do that?

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    • MoRivera 1999

      5 years ago

      His career was strong 2015-2017 and that was it. Didn’t have more than a .9 WAR before or since.

      Reply
    • davidk1979

      5 years ago

      Lol batting average

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      • DarkSide830

        5 years ago

        tell me about all those great .225 hitters and those garbage .300 hitters. ill wait.

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      • Rangers29

        5 years ago

        The “no homers” should show that I wasn’t just talking about batting average, I was just to lazy to go look at his ops for the year, but I did now. So pre-all star break he had a .777 ops (so a little above league average), and then after the break he had a .515 ops (terrible). Ok so now a ask the question, does he always do this?

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        • vtadave

          5 years ago

          If only you could find this stuff easily online.

          Reply
  2. ForestCobraAL

    5 years ago

    Is the Phillies rebuild over? When did it end?

    It didn’t end with a parade down Broad street.

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    • herecomethephillies2018

      5 years ago

      The rebuild isn’t “over”, but the tanking part of the rebuild is.

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  3. ForestCobraAL

    5 years ago

    This is what a Phillies televised spring training game looks like every year. There are no hot prospects to see, just this roster full of 30ish MLB journey men.

    You would think after all those years of nothing and picking at the top of the draft that there would be something more.

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    • Rangers29

      5 years ago

      I guess they think that “developing” players is keeping them in rookie ball until they aren’t prospect eligible anymore, and then put them in spring training at age 34 after they have made 10,000 dollars in their careers.

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      • ForestCobraAL

        5 years ago

        Not sure where this myth of the Phillies keeping talent down comes from. Scott Rolen flew through the Phillies farm. The Phillies neither pushed him nor held him back. Rolen was a stud talent who showed it.

        Wander Franco would fly through the Phillies farm as fast as he has with Tampa. The problem is the Phillies don’t sign or draft talent like that.

        The Phillies have pushed Bohm forward quick.

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        • Rangers29

          5 years ago

          What I said was a joke, but the only reason some good players get stuck in the minor for a long time, is probably because they were either international free agents, or high schoolers just because they’re young. But I don’t know to much about the Phils, so I’d have no room to speak about their development. I just made a joke.

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        • ForestCobraAL

          5 years ago

          “What I said was a joke”

          Seriously, in Phillies comment areas there is a sizable contingent who think the Phillies are holding talent back.

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        • Rangers29

          5 years ago

          Oh, I literally had no idea lol, I thought I was just making a joke. Coincidence I guess.

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        • BigFred

          5 years ago

          Rolen (drafted in 1993) didn’t see any time in the majors until late 1996. Bohm (drafted in 2018) hasn’t seen any time in AAA yet. Steady progress, but not exactly flying through the system.

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        • DarkSide830

          5 years ago

          Bohm played at three levels last year. what are you talking about?

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    • bucketbrew35

      5 years ago

      “This is what a Phillies televised spring training game looks like every year. There are no hot prospects to see, just this roster full of 30ish MLB journey men.

      You would think after all those years of nothing and picking at the top of the draft that there would be something more.”

      And yet in 2019 the Phillies were the YOUNGEST team in baseball with an average age of 26.92. But I forgot that in baseball everyone develops all at once right?

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  4. ForestCobraAL

    5 years ago

    “There’s just one other infielder on the 40-man roster: youngster Arquimedes Gamboa, who is still trying to get his bat going”

    One of the Phillies GIMPed position players signed out of Latin America at 16 years old.

    I remember Arquimedes scouting report when he was signed. Something close to: “Excellent fielder, switch hitter who has power from one side of the plate, but a poor hit tool while lacking power from the other side of the plate but with a decent hit tool.”

    GIMPed from the gate. No matter how hard Arquimedes hits his ceiling there is no eight to ten year contract in his future.

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    • DarkSide830

      5 years ago

      yeah don’t get the Gamboa obsession. Jose Gomez is a good fielder as well and has a much better bet yet was not protected.

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      • ForestCobraAL

        5 years ago

        Woooosh!

        Did you feel the breeze?

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    • MoRivera 1999

      5 years ago

      Are 8-10 year contracts the measure of a ballplayer’s worth? Getting to the majors and giving a few solid years seems to be a worthy goal to aspire to and admire to me.

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      • ForestCobraAL

        5 years ago

        If you want to win the World Series it’s a great idea to assemble a primetime group of position guys who end up getting contracts of that nature.

        John Middleton only wants a very few like that, well short of a core, and he doesn’t want any of them to be from the islands, hence the gimped nature of Phillies signings from that area.

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  5. eyesaiah

    5 years ago

    Neil Walkers spot to lose here as a switch hitter that can pinch hit, back up 1B, 3B & 2B. Logan Forsyth should be the main competition

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    • mrgreenjeans

      5 years ago

      Sorry pal.. He is just 1B or DH type now and that is covered by Bruce some at 1B or the starter Hoskins mostly .. Forsythe is very talented & Harrison was signed early.. look for those 2 to make the club if healthy in spring

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      • MoRivera 1999

        5 years ago

        “Forsythe is very talented”

        .225/.325/.353
        73 OPS+
        -.2 WAR

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      • DonB34

        5 years ago

        Neil Walker played 33 games at 2nd base and 56 games at 3rd base the past two seasons. He also played 15 games in RF for the first time ever in his career for the Yankees in 2018. I think he can do more than only play 1st base. If you want a pinch hitter to mash a homer, go for Bruce, if you’re looking to keep an inning going, Walker is much more likely to get on base. Plus he’s an option from both sides, which voids bringing in the leftie from the pen. Missing spring training then being a bench guy for the first time hurt him in 2018, but he’s been otherwise solid his whole career. I think he has to make the team over everyone on the list…. other than maybe Torreyes due to the SS thing.

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  6. DarkSide830

    5 years ago

    if Kingery performs somewhere between his first half and year total numbers he should well fine enough until Bohm comes up, and Hasley is a defensive stud with a bat that should play well enough in the middle of the order or higher.

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  7. DarkSide830

    5 years ago

    any of the guys have opt outs before April?

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  8. DarkSide830

    5 years ago

    my guess is its Walker and one of Harrison and Forsythe. Rivera doesn’t seem 100% healthy yet and Gosselin and Torreyes are probably good stash candidates given their connection to the team and Girardi, respectively. (though the latter may make Torreyes a better candidate to start on the roster as well)

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    • MoRivera 1999

      5 years ago

      Torreyes of 2018, maybe. Of 2019? Not so much.

      2018: .280/2.94/.370 81 OPS+ .3 WAR
      2019: .188/.235/.188 15 OPS+ -.3 WAR

      But Girardi is a factor. Depends on which Torreyes shows up at camp.

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      • DarkSide830

        5 years ago

        he only made 17 PA in the Majors last year

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  9. throwinched10

    5 years ago

    Harrison will be there because of his speed. Walker will probably be the other one due to his ability to switch hit.

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  10. Phiilies2020

    5 years ago

    With all of this depth, I’d actually be comfortable with a Segura trade to the Reds. If it meant acquiring Descalfani or Senzel without giving up Bohm or Howard, of course. I think the Phillies love the idea of having Segura at 2B, where his bat and his glove play better than SS. He’s also like an insurance policy for Didi. If Didi gets hurt, Segura plays SS and one of Neil Walker, Josh Harrison or Scott Kingery (Bohm @ 3B) playing the keystone.

    I think much of the Phillies season is reliant upon: (1) Rhys Hoskins being the high OPS slugger he can be out of the cleanup spot, behind Harper. (2) Kingery has his breakout season with above average production at several positions (3) Above average production from CF, between Haisley, Quinn, Herrera and Kingery and most importantly (4) the pitching staff stays healthy with a bounceback year from Arrieta and a major step forward from Zach Eflin and/or Nick Pivetta.

    Fun fact: A friend of mine asked the Phillies asst. GM who would lead the club in saves next year.

    His answer: Vince Velasquez

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    • Rangers29

      5 years ago

      No Velasquez will lead in outfield assists lol

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    • DarkSide830

      5 years ago

      id much rather have anyone but Neris closing, but VV needs more RP reps before he’s ready for that. i hoped they’d keep him down longer last year to work on it, but that did not happen.

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  11. rycm131

    5 years ago

    Yes! Been waiting all off season for this. Whose going to win the backup 2b spot?

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  12. DannyQ3913

    5 years ago

    Everybody needs to calm down on Bohm, he hasn’t even played above AA, lol

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    • ForestCobraAL

      5 years ago

      Yeah, but Bohm hit .269 at AA Reading which has a rep as a good place to hit.

      .269

      Feel the excitement.

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      • pinstripes17

        5 years ago

        batting average lol

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      • DarkSide830

        5 years ago

        something odd was in the air overall at Reading last year. no one seemed to hit. even Haseley, who arrived there the year before, seemed to hit better in the Majors than in Reading. they badly need a new hitting coach, because it should be well easy to hit there.

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  13. ExileInLA 2

    5 years ago

    Torreyes’ ability to play SS is probably irrelevant given that Segura can shift back there for a game or two as a backup…

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  14. solaris602

    5 years ago

    Why not just go ahead and sign Brock Holt who is clearly what PHI is hoping one of these pumpkins turn out to be?

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