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Red Sox, Padres Reportedly Still Negotiating Wil Myers Swap

By Jeff Todd | February 19, 2020 at 8:27am CDT

FEBRUARY 19: The Pads are indeed interested in both Lindor and Senzel, Dennis Lin of The Athletic reports (subscription link). It’s even possible that the Myers talks with the Red Sox could morph into a three-team arrangement involving the Reds, Lin adds.

FEBRUARY 18: Spring Training is now upon us. Prior talks failed to result in a deal. And yet the Red Sox are still holding talks with the Padres about a potential deal that would send first baseman/outfielder Wil Myers to Boston, according to Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune.

Details are about as firm as you could ever hope to see them in a rumor of a potential swap. As before, the Friars want the Sox to take over about half of Myers’s salary (total guarantee of $61MM) over the next three years. Young talent would go to Boston to sweeten the pot. Players that have been discussed include Cal Quantrill, Luis Campusano, and Gabriel Arias, though it’s not clear which would be included and the Sox wouldn’t be able to obtain all of them just to take on half of what’s owed Myers.

That leaves out one major component of the as-yet-uncompleted trade talks: what would come back from the Red Sox? The original chatter between these teams involved Mookie Betts, who is no longer in the Boston stable. There’s no real indication just yet as to what current Red Sox might pique the interest of Padres GM A.J. Preller.

Yet more intriguing? The real goal, per Acee, is to swing a blockbuster for a high-level talent. He notes Nick Senzel of the Reds and Francisco Lindor of the Indians as longstanding targets, but it’s not really clear whether either is realistically available at this point. There aren’t many other conceivable candidates to be acquired who’d meet the description of a “difference-making” performer.

It’s fair to hold some skepticism here, especially as to the possible second prong of this scenario. Then again, Preller once pulled off a trade for Craig Kimbrel just before the start of a season, so it’s tough to rule out any mid-spring fireworks.

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  1. DarkSide830

    11 months ago

    so much for saving cap space

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    • whynot

      11 months ago

      There is not salary cap

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      • hyraxwithaflamethrower

        11 months ago

        Not a hard cap, but you do have a luxury tax, which is supposed to operate like a soft cap.

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      • DarkSide830

        11 months ago

        oh you know what i mean. luxury tax…soft cap…de facto cap, whatever you want to call it

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        • Chief Two Hands

          11 months ago

          I call it a top hat.

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        • slowcurve

          11 months ago

          Bottle cap

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        • Black Ace57

          11 months ago

          @DarkSide830 you aren’t allowed to make a mistake in the comments section you know that!

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        • harry hood

          11 months ago

          Don’t call it a comeback.

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      • SeaDogsForever

        11 months ago

        You know exactly what he meant. Stop being a tool.

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        • Jeff Zanghi

          11 months ago

          Agree… it annoys the crap out of me the people who insist on pointing out that there’s “no salary cap” in Baseball. Like the penalties (not even including financial ones… I’m talking picks and international bonus $ etc) make it function as a de facto salary cap. Otherwise you start to lose valuable assets and no team wants to be losing picks and international $ etc. etc. Like get over yourself that it’s not technically a “salary cap” and acknowledge that for most intents and purposes it is one…

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        • Padres458

          11 months ago

          Most teams havent and never will pay luxury taxes, so its not a cap.

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        • Mo4ever

          11 months ago

          Padres458

          “Most teams havent and never will pay luxury taxes, so its not a cap.”

          What does whether or not a team encounters a cap have to do with whether or not there is a cap, euphemistically or otherwise?

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        • looiebelongsinthehall

          11 months ago

          First time in a long time Mo that we agree. I was reading and re-reading Padres’s post trying to understand. Thanks for making me realize I wasn’t alone.

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        • stymeedone

          11 months ago

          It is not required that every team has to be effected for it to be a cap. If it limits even one team, it’s a cap.

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        • BPax

          11 months ago

          There are no salary caps but there are baseball caps (hats).
          And there are bat caps (the end knob)
          You’re welcome.

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        • michael serra

          11 months ago

          do condoms have caps? one mirror glimpse should tell you. you’re welcome

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        • Newspeaks

          11 months ago

          Euphemistically…. Word of the day.

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        • StPeteStingRays

          11 months ago

          Padres458, most people never fell a tree, but that doesn’t mean that the tree doesn’t get cut down. Think about your line of logic, or lack thereof

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        • earmbrister

          11 months ago

          Spoken like a fan of about a half dozen teams …

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        • Jaysthoughts

          11 months ago

          It is not a salary cap.

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      • smallball

        11 months ago

        This guy, quibbling over semantics. Get a life, bro.

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      • JoeBrady

        11 months ago

        Okay, once and for all, can we please just start going under the assumption that, when folks mention ‘salary cap’ in a baseball conversation, they mean the $208M?

        I think that is the assumption that 98% of us are under.

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      • seth3120

        11 months ago

        Do you mean “There is not a salary cap”? I’ll just assume that’s what you meant

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        • dave frost nhlpa

          11 months ago

          I don’t think Houston should receive any profit sharing for 5 years. Let their “winnings” pay for their salaries.

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        • earmbrister

          11 months ago

          I think he means that 98% of MLB teams are under the “salary cap”.

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    • HalosHeavenJJ

      11 months ago

      This would be essentially buying prospects. Not a bad idea.

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      • jrwhite21

        11 months ago

        it’s a good strategy for a team with the financial resources that’s trying to quickly reset their roster

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      • rizdakc99rizdak

        11 months ago

        They could definitely buy low on Anderson Espinoza

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        • jrwhite21

          11 months ago

          he would be and i’d be interested in his reqcquisition in the right deal. perhaps as an additional piece…perhaps to offset another $3-5 million. still has potential, but it’s a much riskier investment at this point

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        • padreshave32yrstobestdodger1stwswin

          11 months ago

          Insist on sending “I have a new boo-boo” Anderson Espinoza back to the Red Sox. Maybe then their fans will stop whining about the Pomeranz damaged goods issue. Let the fools see what San Diego got from them. No moaning allowed, Boston, you’re getting what San Diego got. Send Myers, SP Espinoza, C Hedges and OF Cordero. They send Padres players clam chowder at SD home games for 5 years.

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        • deal1122

          11 months ago

          Wow, someone is super bitter

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        • pappyvw

          11 months ago

          And even lower on Alvaro Espinoza

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          Who’s Alvaro Espinoza?

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      • neurogame

        11 months ago

        Especially since they might (- might! -) forfeit a pick or two as part of their sign stealing punishment.

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    • jpm9q3

      11 months ago

      Sox get rid of JBJ and take on half of Myers is a cost neutral move for 2020. Sox would still probably have luxury tax room to add Yates, as well.

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      • jimthegoat

        11 months ago

        Red Sox have no use for Kirby Yates. He’s a rental and they are rebuilding.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          Sox have all the uses for Kirby Yates. They gave up the same amount of runs as the White Sox in 2019 and their bullpen hasn’t recovered from losing Kimbrel.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          Doesn’t matter. He’s a rental and they are rebuilding. Rebuilding teams don’t trade for rentals. They trade them away.

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        • Smelly_Cobb

          11 months ago

          They could re-sign him pretty easily I’d imagine

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          @Smelly_Cobb that’s not a reason to trade for him. It’s a reason against trading for him. They can take more/better prospects from the Padres instead of Yates and then sign Yates “pretty easily” as you said next offseason.

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        • looiebelongsinthehall

          11 months ago

          Or they could flip him in July if this becomes a 2015 situation. I don’t expect it but how many of us anticipated such a poor 2019?

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        • Sotomayori

          11 months ago

          The Padres should not be looking to include yates just to dump Myers. But I dont see why the sox would rule it out. Yates could then be flipped at the deadline for more prospects

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          @Sotomayori yeah. Worse/less prospects than it would cost to acquire him now. So the Red Sox just downgraded their farm system in order to hurt their draft position for 2021.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          You are not trading for Yates now and flipping him for a better return at the deadline when he only has 1/3 as much control remaining and can’t be QO’d. Stop it with that ridiculousness.

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        • padreshave32yrstobestdodger1stwswin

          11 months ago

          Hey jimthebillygoat: Dodgers have no use for Betts. He’s a rental and they are rebuilding Chavez Ravine.

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        • axisofhonor25

          11 months ago

          They haven’t officially declared a rebuild. In fact Chaim Bloom balked at that notion and said that they have room now to make moves at the deadline if they are in contention. Aside from Betts and Price, they have largely the same team on offense. Yates would definitely shore up the back end of the bullpen which was awful last year.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          “They haven’t officially declared a rebuild.”

          They did when they traded away the 2nd best player in MLB.

          “In fact Chaim Bloom balked at that notion…”

          That’s just lip service.

          “Aside from Betts and Price, they have largely the same team on offense”

          Lol you act like losing Betts and Price doesn’t hurt their immediate odds of contention at all. And they were already 12 games back of the 2nd wild card spot with them on the team.

          “Aside from Betts and Price, they have largely the same team on offense”

          Wouldn’t be enough to make up the 19 win deficit they are now facing.

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        • larry48

          11 months ago

          Padres will have to include a lot players/prospect for Meyers to be included . If padres send a good hall Boston might just release Myers.

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        • nowheretogobutup

          11 months ago

          Yates will not be a part of any trade, stop kidding yourself he’ll bring his bounty in July if the Friars are not in contention however.

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        • nowheretogobutup

          11 months ago

          Nick Senzel goes to Padres in three team trade for one of Friars young RP, and George Arias to Reds, Myers and Campusano, along with Quantrill to Sox, Sox send one of their top 100 prospect back to Friars along with Chavis a Sox OF..

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      • luckyh

        11 months ago

        That’s my guess JBJ is the next one to go.

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        • TedYazJimEd

          11 months ago

          Yup…JBJ and minor league player to San Diego and Myers and Quantrill to Boston.

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        • Bruin1012

          11 months ago

          Would take more then just Myers and Quantrill if Boston took on half that Myers contract.

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        • steve dolan

          11 months ago

          Yup, Baez and Morejon too. And I think JBJ stays in Boston and it’s Michael Chavis who is involved in the trade.

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        • padreshave32yrstobestdodger1stwswin

          11 months ago

          JBJ is Margot and we just got rid of him. Keep him. Myers, SP Espinoza, C Hedges and Of Cordero for an exchange of unis.

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        • Redsox#00001

          11 months ago

          Bradley and ? to Padres for Myers, prospects, and money

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        • nowheretogobutup

          11 months ago

          You won’t get Hedges included maybe a IF prospect along with Quantrill and Baez.

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    • You know what this is called? Intimidation.

      11 months ago

      I honestly thought this trade was some sort of meme (Sox don’t like some of their contracts, Padres don’t like Myers) but I thought it would die when Betts got traded. Don’t let memes be dreams I guess.

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    • Bruin1012

      11 months ago

      There is no way Boston goes over the Lux Tax even if they do add Myers. If they went over after trading Mookie the Red Sox brass would be absolutely crucified.

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      • jpm9q3

        11 months ago

        I think it’s a JBJ-Myers swap with Yates and Quantrill added as Boston’s incentive to take on the extra two years of Myers.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          Yates won’t be included

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        • CNichols

          11 months ago

          I agree, Yates makes no sense in this deal. SD fortified their pen so they could move him, but If SD is going to move Yates it would probably be in a Senzel deal because CIN can use the bullpen help this year. Boston needs young controllable pitching like Quantrill, Morejon, Baez etc… more than it needs rentals.

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          5 years of Quantrill and 1 year of Yates in exchange for saving a total of $25 million? That sounds like a horrific deal.

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        • Bruin1012

          11 months ago

          Red Sox don’t have enough outfielders to trade JBJ unless they have something set up to sign a guy like Puig on the cheap.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          1. They can get Puig for the league minimum whenever they want.
          2. Not having enough outfielders isn’t a reason not to trade JBJ. He’s a rental. Only the controllable outfielders matter to Boston.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          The Boston OF would be Benny, Pillar., Verdugo and Myers after a trade like this.

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        • lowtalker1

          11 months ago

          Incorrect
          Myers bc the blowsox first baseman

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        • redsoxu571

          11 months ago

          Actually, they brought back Moreland, who certainly should be expected to get at least half the playing time there. So Myers would have to be seen as more than just a fire baseman, especially with JD Martinez taking up most of the DH at bats.

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        • towinagain

          11 months ago

          Awful. Id take Myers over JBJ

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        • tannedt

          11 months ago

          Dream on.

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        • deesnuts0480

          11 months ago

          Wonder what the Sox are gonna do with Rusney Castillo which is on his last year of his contract? If they were gonna use him it would be this year.

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        • dock ellis

          11 months ago

          Benintendi, Pillar, Verdugo…could also probably use Peraza or Chavis out there, if needed, Chavis played OF in winter ball.

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        • SDHotDawg

          11 months ago

          So would I. And I can’t stand Myers.

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        • Dorothy_Mantooth

          11 months ago

          @Bruins1012 – They get Myers back, who plays in the OF. So trading JBJ for Myers is net neutral for OF headcount. Myers can play RF or LF. Pillar in CF, Benny in LF or RF until Verdugo is healthy. Then Myers turns into a rotational piece, including 1st base.

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        • Mishimacool

          11 months ago

          Indeed…Still talking the low road.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          Myers will continue to suck if the Sox use him as a rotational piece. He has to play just one position.

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        • SanDiegoPaul

          11 months ago

          Agreed. Like’16 and ’17.

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        • larry48

          11 months ago

          I just don’t see Boston taking on Myers contract unless Padres pays 75 % and more prospects. Boston is not trading to help Padres dumb signings

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        • Redsox#00001

          11 months ago

          Rusney would push them over the CBT. He is playing out his contract like Allen Craig. Two of the reasons Ben Cherington was fired and for good reason (along with Sandoval and Hanley Ramirez)

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        • Redsox#00001

          11 months ago

          Rusney would push them over the CBT. He is playing out his contract like Allen Craig. Two of the reasons Ben Cherington was fired and for good reason (along with Sandoval and Hanley Ramirez)

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        • nowheretogobutup

          11 months ago

          LOL jpm NO WAY glad your not our GM, Yates is a Friar for 2020 too valuable to trade him to the Bosox, much rather keep Myers have him hit 20 HR’s and 60 RBI’s rather than have to trade with the Sox

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        • nowheretogobutup

          11 months ago

          No one wants JBJ he’s worthless worse then Myers

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        • steve dolan

          11 months ago

          Right, more likely Michael Chavis.

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        • phillip beasley

          11 months ago

          Please tell me how you came to that conclusion? It’s not even debatable. JBJ is superior to Myers. But humor me, I can’t wait to see this argument.

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        • JoeBrady

          11 months ago

          Some folks come in to insult the RS, and they don’t care if they have to embarrass themselves in order to do so.

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    • AtlSoxFan

      11 months ago

      People are looking at this all wrong. It makes perfect sensense and I called for a variation of this after the betts trade, I think a bit of back and forth with Java and someone else…anyways…

      From SD they care about total dollars. CBT is ZERO concern.

      From BOS they care about CBT. Total real dollars is minimal concern.

      Wil Myers is owed about 22.5m/yr in total dollars, but only about 13.8? in CBT.

      A month ago someone posted the actual rule, but, functionally when cash goes to another club the club receiving the cash gets a deduction off its CBT calculated payroll – like your standard deduction on irs taxes – but the paying club has that value added/remaining on its CBT calculation even though the player is gone.

      Here, if SD pays half of myers salary (11.25m/yr for 3 yrs) then myers CBT value drops to ~2.5m.

      For SD you remove 11.25m a year off your TOTAL payroll, and don’t caRe if money lingers on CBT.

      For BOS you only add 2.75m to your CBT for 3yrs, and don’t really care about off-the-tax money just like rusney castillo.

      Why does boston do it? They want the #5sp and prospects.

      It’s a win/win.

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      • Mo4ever

        11 months ago

        Thanks. As you say, makes sense.

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        • AtlSoxFan

          11 months ago

          @Mo4ever – it does, and it keeps on doing so the more you dig down.

          SD has a plethora of #4/5 sp types including the prospects who need some mlb time at the back of the rotation to finish development and figure out if they’re starters or relievers.

          SD also has TOO many young 40 man players and prospects to protect all the non-40 man prospects who are coming up on rule 5 eligibility.

          Both are expendable to get something of value. Obviously preller hasn’t been able to line up – yet – on a big trade. But he can free up cash to make moves ownership won’t chip in extra for.

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          Sox can have Lucchesie. Padres keep Quantrill. Sox fans kept saying that Price is worth his $16 million contract with Boston paying the other half. Well, Lucchesie put up almost exactly the same numbers last year. Actually Lucchesie pitched more innings and his numbers were slightly better, but I won’t quibble. He has 3 years of control, he is younger than Price and he is currently $14 million cheaper. That covers half of Myers contract in a straight up trade. You are welcome Boston.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          It’s “Lucchesi” not “Lucchesie” you illiterate twerp

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          A bit angry are we jimthegoat? I noticed you didn’t actually reply to the substance of my comment. You just take a cheap shot at a misspelled name. People resort to name calling when they are proven wrong. Get over it Jim. Either Boston fans here lied about Price’s value or LUCCHESI is worth half of Myers contract straight up.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          What was I supposedly proven wrong about?

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          Still evading my original comment Jim? I guess you have nothing to say. That’s fine. Good day to you.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          As are you avoiding mine.

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          “I know you are but what am I”. Seriously Jim? Are you 4 years old? I made a comment. Either respond to it or not. Either way, I don’t dance.

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        • Jeff Zanghi

          11 months ago

          What does Price’s value or non-value have to do with Lucchesi? Price isn’t even on the Red Sox anymore and so it’s totally irrelevant to who the Red Sox have as their 5th starter. And yeah I mean I HATE price but on field value… I think he should be okay at $16.5M — he wouldn’t be my first choice at that price point. But especially with him now being in the NL I’d be willing to bet he posts a mid 3.00s ERA at worse — that is assuming he stays healthy enough to pitch.

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          If you can’t read I cannot help you Jeff.

          When Price and Betts were traded Boston fans attributed a value to Price. They say Price gives $16.5 million in value.
          Joey Lucchesi had very similar and slightly better numbers last year. That makes him worth $16.5 million. Since he costs less than $2 million, he gives you $14.5 million in surplus value per year for the next $3 years. Half of Myers contract is $11.25 million per year for the next 3 years. That makes a straight-up trade of Lucchesi for half of Myers almost equal, with an additional value of about $9 million going to the Sox. If the Sox are looking for fair value for taking half of Myers, Lucchesi is it. No Quantrill, no Yates, no Morejon, no Baez, no Campusano and no Patino.

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          I can see nobody wants to touch or comment on BOSTON math.
          Where are you hiding Boston fans?

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        • looiebelongsinthehall

          11 months ago

          Nice take AtlSoxFan.

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        • looiebelongsinthehall

          11 months ago

          Javia, I won’t get involved in the back and forth but Price was one of the league’s best when he developed an injury. The Dodgers were willing to risk $16m to get Betts and are simply hoping he stays healthy. Price’s upside for 2020 is worth much more than Lucchesi for a this season title contender.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          I will when you explain what I was supposedly proven wrong about.

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        • AtlSoxFan

          11 months ago

          Javia, sorry the auto correct changed your name above.

          There is some difference between Lucchesi and Price in your argument above, as far as I know – so feel free to correct me.

          1) last year, like many, average ERA in the AL was higher than the NL, partly due to no dh, partly due to ballparks, etc. The point is, when you look at ERA+ which is defense/schedule/park/etc neutral, an AL pitcher with a higher overall era could be equal in era+ to a pitcher in the NL with a lower era.

          Takeaway of my point 1 – it’s a data point that to be “equals” a NL pitcher needs a LOWER overall era.

          2) David price was injured, trying to pitch with a cyst after the AS break. He was ultimately shut down with surgery to remove said cyst. Was Lucchesi injured in 2019, affecting his numbers?

          Takeaway of point 2: price’s 2019 era was less indicative of performance ability than lucchesi’s 2019 line. Lucchesi could play to his peak ability, Price was impaired from doing so.

          3) Before injury, Price was one of the top 3 pitchers in most metrics, including era, and a potential cy young contender. At no point in 2019 or otherwise did Lucchesi post a dominant stretch for such a length of time.

          Takeaway of point 3: price has a much higher PROVEN ceiling than Lucchesi has shown thus far.

          Now, if you want to argue lost value re:injury history… well we can differ on opinion whether prices surgery has left him fully healthy. If you want to argue control or contract value or age… we can do that too.

          But 2019 era line as a measure of whether Lucchesi and Price are equivalent pitchers from a value perspective is deeply and inherently flawed. Pick a new set of arguments to try, then we can agree to disagree on some of those due to data pointing both ways.

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          If Price had so much upside why was he almost impossible to trade? Upside at 34 yrs old is non-existent.

          Jimthegoat-nobody was talking to you. If you want to go off on tangents fine, you can do it alone. If you want to talk about my comment without constantly changing the subject, I am here.

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        • AtlSoxFan

          11 months ago

          @Javia – you ignore engaging on all of my other points about Price/Lucchesi, so, I presume you agree and/or do not have evidence to the contrary? You’re not engaging on actual point raised just like your earlier taunts you directed at others.

          “Upside at 34 yrs old is nonexistant.” Hmm… I think all of mlb would disagree with you, Justin verlander was traded at exactly in his 34 yrs old season, and what has he done sense? No trashcan banging or buzzers fueled him. No, Price will not become verlander. But a 34 yr old can have upside compared to his recent history or be a buy low candidate

          With regards to why Price was hard to trade? There were 96 million of them, 32 million in each of the next 3 years. Each one a greenbacked one. For all the upside he has, Price hasn’t been worth 32m/yr.

          We don’t know how much chaim was willing to eat off the deal at any time except the final trade, or how that amount changed over time.

          We also dont know what offers Chaim got, but we do know he wasn’t hired immediately, took time evaluating the team and getting up to speed, and all this during a time lots of teams were blowing through their FA budgets at a recently unprecedented pace.

          We also dont know what kind of return Chaim would’ve taken – sp only, or something else? But we are pretty sure that unless he could get under the CBT, chaim likely wasn’t trading price because the goal appears to either have been compete with Mookie, or, get significant young talent and below the cbt without him.

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        • stymeedone

          11 months ago

          @atlsoxfan
          Do you really think SD is overly concerned about the rule 5 draft in February?

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          What kinds of numbers do you expect Price to put up this year AltSoxFan? I am sure we disagree. I would just like to see by how much. I think Price will put up an ERA of between 3.8 and 4.2. 140-170 innings.

          Of course you pick stats that support your argument and I pick stats that support mine. I can refute all 3 of your points but I will not bother to since you are obviously not listening. I did not just use ERA, all of their numbers were remarkably similar last year. Because there is no single stat that definitively shows exactly how good a player is we will just have to agree to disagree.

          The truth is anyone can make arguments for or against any player. I personally hate WAR but Lucchesi and Price had almost the same WAR last year. Now, you can make all kinds of arguments about why Price was actually better than his grade and how he will improve next year for all kinds of reasons. I can make all kinds of arguments against him and for Lucchesi. It doesn’t matter. What matters at the end of the day is that they graded out the same last year. Period. You can massage the numbers all you want. You can use different numbers. But last year they were the same pitcher. If one is worth $16 million the other one is as well. And that value is slightly more than half of Myers contract.

          You can hope for all kinds of prospects to be thrown at Boston to take on Myers salary. It just isn’t going to happen.

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        • AtlSoxFan

          11 months ago

          @stymedome – I don’t think SD is much concerned with rule 5. But, when you have a $5 off any purchase coupon that is about to expire, it’s a little easier to part with rather than wait for a sale on something you want even more.

          Just makes some prospects a little more expendable feeling than otherwise.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          @Javia…

          I was talking about your comment. “People resort to name calling when they are proven wrong.” Those were your words…

          So what was I proven wrong about?

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          Imagine that! The broken record gives the same response.

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        • padreshave32yrstobestdodger1stwswin

          11 months ago

          Hey jimbillygoat: Still got your back legs stuck in those irrigation boots, twerp?

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        • AtlSoxFan

          11 months ago

          @javia – With Price I realistically expect between 150-180 innings next year, close to you. On era, I’d expect about a 3.20-3.50era, but I think there’s a higher probability and legitimate chance for the low end or lower as he will benefit from the usual bump AL to NL transitions usually get.

          Part depends how spring goes, and how he is used by his new manager. They may not keep him out there as long as he can go in appearances.

          It sounds like we agree WAR isn’t a great indicator for pitchers, but, I’ll point out to you that price accumulated his in a much shorter window of time. Price tried to pitch injured a little after the AS break where his accumulated war declined along with his other stats.

          Funny thing about era as an indicator, it actually is a result of how many walks, hits, ba, slugging, etc are playing out for the opposite team. When one guys era is thrown off by his health, similarly, the rest of those are too, even down to things like quality starts, total IP, etc. So my point about health, and one guys being able to play to his ceiling and one not, remains just as valid. If anything you just reinforced my point for me.

          You say you can make the points, so do so. Saying “I could if I wanted, but don’t see a point to”, sounds like you can’t and are making a schoolyard excuse.

          Part of price’s value at $16m is the historical ability that has been demonstrated over his entire mlb career, but, was impeded in 2019. Lucchesi doesn’t have that mlb track record.

          Lucchesi has 2 seasons at the mlb level, both at 4+ era, in the lighter hitting NL, no known injuries preventing his ceiling. Both years, in a park/schedule/etc adjusted ERA+ Lucchesi hovered around league average, with 94/101 ratings. For his career he averaged slightly below average.

          That is with the playing field leveled equalizing the variables.

          Price has 12 years being a ERA+ of 123, significantly above league average. Once ever Price graded a 98, the only time in 12 years he did so. Every other year Price rated between 108 and 234.

          In 2018 and 2019, to compare with Lucchesi’s 94/101 ratings Price posted 123/113 ratings.

          So no, not equivalent seasons, where even an injured price who was 12% better than lucchesi. And that is the equalized playing field between the two before all those intangibles.

          It’s ok to like a guy on your team. Its another to argue against every known statistical measure or intangible for the sake of arguing. evaluating who has shown more talent, demonstrated a higher recent (or forever) floor and ceiling only cuts one way – for price.

          It’s one’s worth moRe than the other.

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          Anyone care to bet what jimthegoat’s next response will be/include? I will give 10 to 1 odds his response will include the words ,”What was I proven wrong about?”

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          @Javia just tell me what I was proven wrong about and I’ll stop. That sound fair to you?

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          Let’s see:
          You say Price’s ERA+ ranges from 108-234. That 234 was over a total of 14 inning his rookie year. His next highest was 179 and that was over 1/3 of a year. Realistically he has been between 108-160 at his best. And maybe you don’t know this, but players get worse after age 30. Price has been declining over the last few years. Over the last 4 years he has averaged 147 innings and an ERA of 3.84. Those seem to fit within my estimates, not yours. His fastball has declined from averaging over 95 when he got started to under 92 last year pre injury. Unless you believe Price is destined for a late career renaissance, his numbers from this point on can be expected to regress from those 147 innings and 3.84 ERA. Maybe you believe that Price is like fine wine or scotch and will get better with age. I myself believe he is a normal human and will continue to regress with age.

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          There it is! House keeps the money! And the record repeats.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          @Javia so did you want to take me up on that offer or nah? I think it’s more than fair.

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        • Mo4ever

          11 months ago

          AtlSoxFan

          Re: Valuing Price at 34, Verlander is a horrible example of what happens to pitchers in their mid-thirties. Pine tar or no, he’s a singular exception. I don’t think any GM whatsoever would think Verlander when valuing Price’s future, and for good reason. The chances his mid and latter thirties will play out like V’s is zero.

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          You never replied to my post. You mocked me because my tablets autocorrect caused a spelling error in my post. You called me illiterate. You could not refute my argument with logic so you resorted to name calling. That is the refuge of last resort. That is what a person does when they have nothing else to say. It is what children do. You can go ahead and think that you haven’t been proven wrong, but that is only because you do not have the intelligence to successfully refute my argument.

          Now, are you going to respond to my argument or are you going to change the subject again?

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          How have I been proven wrong? The only thing I replied to you about I was 100% correct about.

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        • AtlSoxFan

          11 months ago

          Simply putting the entire career out there.

          You neglect that a 3.84 in the NL does NOT equal a 3.84 in the AL, and, you misrepresent his innings totals and ability by cherry picking two unrelated injury seasons, the only two in many years, one of which was to remove a cyst from his wrist to put him at his peak in 2020 – a shut down due to lack of contention with an eye towards the future rather than an inability to go on the field whatsoever.

          We can go back and forth like that.

          Again, to use a schedule, stadium, and defense neutral evaluators like ERA+ and FIP, Price’s ERA+ was 112, 135, 123, 113 in the last 4 years of your choice. If we make it 6 yrs add a 115 and 164. That’s compared to league average.

          In the last 6 yrs price put up 248, 220, 230, 75, 176, 107 IP. Obviously injuries and recoveries played a role.

          Since you don’t like era+, let’s look at FIP. That adjusts everyon for their defense benefits/costs of the guys behind them.

          Lucchesi posted a 4.31 (18) and 4.17 (19) FIP. He posted better actual era than his FIP expected based on his perepherals thanks to his teammates.

          Price posted in order FIP of 2.78 (14), 2.78 (15), 3.60 (16), 3.64 (17), 4.02 (18), 3.62 (19).

          What you see, even if we hold to the last 4 years you cherry pick, likely because Price was worse in boston than elsewhere (more a boston issue than a being 30 yrs old issue), is that he is pretty consistent over time.

          Again, accounting for the proven bump where AL pitchers most often see a decrease in era and increase in era+/fip on a move to the NL, it’s not unreasonable to expect movement in those directions here.

          Regardless, 2019 FIP for price was consistent to 3 of 4 boston campaigns – low 3.60s. That’s a full half point better than anything lucchesi ever showed.

          So again, the more you know.

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        • AtlSoxFan

          11 months ago

          Mo – I agree and even stated verlander isn’t to be used to expect what happens at age 34. However, I was replying to the absolute statement that no 34 year old has ever had upside. Ever.

          Plenty of 34 year olds have upside, surplus value, or represent buy low candidates. Verlander was just chosen to be as obnoxious an example as the blanket statement I was replying to (and I’d did include a disclaimer)

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          Look at that! He doesn’t bother to read what is written and he changes the subject again-just as I predicted. Congratulations Jim for getting me to forget one of my cardinal rules: Do not argue with drunks, crazy people or children. They cannot be reasoned with.

          And again, I know, here it comes: “How was I proven wrong?” So I will reply before you even ask again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again…… Just read my above post. It’s in there.

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          I am not cherry picking any specific 2 injury seasons. I used his latest 4 seasons as an example because that seems to be where age caught up to him. But now that you bring it up, it is an interesting point that his 2 injury shortened seasons happened right after he turned 30. From here on out I wouldn’t exactly expect him to get healthier or less injury prone.

          You demand that an AL to NL advantage be considered, yet you yourself refuse to acknowledge any affects of aging on performance. If you will look at the history of baseball, you will see that one happens to absolutely every player while the other does not. Even when they both happen, age tends to take 10 times the toll as switching leagues does.

          I see you put Price down as being worse at home than anywhere else as being only a “Boston issue” and not an age issue. Maybe the 3+ mph he has lost off of his fastball is also a Boston issue and has nothing to do with age? Now a Boston issue would seem you are talking about something like the green monster, something that helps pitchers over hitters. It also seems to me that every Boston fan here on MLBTR swore to God that that same green monster and the advantages of hitting over pitching in Boston would have no effect on Betts. It’s funny, when it helps your cause you demand it be considered but when it doesn’t help you you ignore it or argue directly against it. That is called Homerism, and you are suffering from it Alt

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        • SDHotDawg

          11 months ago

          Agree with 90% of what you’ve said on this thread. Good insights and detail.

          My one nit to pick is the use of ERA+ when comparing pitchers, especially inter-leavue. That “stat” depends on a lot of variables and assumptions that aren’t quantifiable metrics. Not as many as WAR, but enough to make it a fairly meaningless stat, IMO.

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        • AtlSoxFan

          11 months ago

          Javia, you like Jim, now resort to personal attacks when the facts turn against you.

          Steamer projects Price as a 3.70 era 3.38 FIP arm in 2020, leaving out war unless you want since it really isn’t that great for SP. Lucchesi as a 4.34 era /3.91 FIP arm for 2020. They just aren’t comparable.

          Also, for the record, I think Mookie’s benefitted from fenway help in 81 games, much like other players in other ballclubs for their respective fields. Never claimed contrary. Depending on whether he is CF/RF may impact his dWar, RF in fenway is cavernous and you can use your wheels as if a true CFer, its easily top 3 hardest in mlb to cover once you add the angles and low walls to the size. I still think he has a cannon arm independent of both. So don’t try to put words in my mouth or paint me as something I’m not.

          Ignoring what mlb does with the baseball, id expect power results may decline in LA, both because of park dimensions and because of locations. However, even with its LF wall, fenway is a hard park to hit a hr in being roughly middle of the pack. You lose as many low line drive HRs to doubles as you gain from floating pop ups.

          But mookie aside, we’re talking price.

          You may just be repeating what you heard on espn, but, your pitch speed if isn’t accurate.

          Since… say start of 2013, give you 3 pre boston years as well, here’s the velocities of price’s pitches:

          FA: 94.6, 94.3, 95.0, 93.8, 94.1, 93.1, 92.4

          FC: 89.2, 87.9, 90.1, 88.9, 88.8, 89.0, 88.8

          Sl: 94.5, 94.2, 94.8, 93.5, 94.5, 93.1, 92.1

          Ch: 84.7, 85.8, 85.8, 85.1, 86.0, 85.4, 84.4

          Cu: 80.4, 80.4, 80.2, 79.5, 79.8, 79.4, 80.7

          So price hadn’t “lost 3+ mph” off any of his pitches in the last couple seasons, no monumental age 30, or age 34, downturn. There’s been variations year to year, and while some are down a bit last year, I’d imagine the cyst (and fortnite) had more to do with that than aging.

          Another piece of data, but then again, I see absolutely ZERO defenses of lucchesi anymore, just pure blind attacks on Price. I kinda understand, I mean he’s slated to carve up your padres this season so it’s nice to try attacking the guy preemptively.

          Problem is, your claims aren’t supported.

          @SDhotdawg, I kind of like FIP the best, but work with what you got to get the broadest picture

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        • SDHotDawg

          11 months ago

          The previous was @AltSoxFan, BTW.

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          Calling someone illiterate is a personal attack. Saying someone might be suffering from Homerism is far from a personal attack. In fact, your statement equating my statements as “just pure, blind attacks on Price” in order to try to belittle my views and then implying that my reasons are because Price “is slated to carve up your Padres this season, so it’s nice to try attacking the guy preemptively” is far more of a personal attack than any statement I made. But go ahead and try to play the victim.

          I said that Price STARTED with a fastball over 95 and that it is now under 92. In fact it was 91.8 last year. I never said that it was a product of the last few years. If you could quote where I did I would love to see it. Of course you choose to put in whatever years you choose, stating that you will even include a couple of years before Boston to try and make it like you are even farther than me. In fact I was talking about the beginning of Price’s career until now to show the cumulative effects of age. Of course you just went ahead and misquoted me to try to prove me wrong. Then you throw in the speed of all of his other pitches to try to further muddy the issue.

          I did not insult you AltSoxFan. In fact, you insulted me several times. That, the fact that you are misquoting my statements to try to prove me wrong, and the fact that you bring in irrelevant data about his other pitches which I had never mentioned to muddy the issues, is also just like throwing personal insults. They are all done to mask the weakness of your arguments.

          If you cannot beat me straight up, misquote me, muddy the issue with irrelevant data and insult me. I score that as a win if you have to degenerate to those tactics.

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        • AtlSoxFan

          11 months ago

          Javia, you haven’t met or refuted this giant body of statistical evidence with pieces of proof that your original contention that lucchesi was turning in equal production to price in 2019 yet. It’s devloved into you claiming that, generally he was prices equal, and now, that price is in some great decline.

          Let me disprove your latest statements.

          As for price having declined from “Price STARTED with a fastball over 95, and that it is now under 92.”

          In price’s first 2 years in the league here’s what he threw, and how hard it averaged. (Fangraphs is your friend.)

          He threward the FA 94.8 in ’08, 94.7 in ’09. Was 92.4 including balls thrown WITH AN INJURY in 2019, and 93.1 the year before.

          So not only did it not start at 95+, even if you want to count the injury diminished skewed readings that throw off the ’19 average it fell a whopping 2.4mph in 12 seasons. Btw, 2.4 doesn’t even round up to 3, let alone qualify for “the 3+ mph he lost off his fastball” you stated above.

          His other pitches? Well, he wasn’t using the FC yet, the Sl in his 2nd season, first time using it really, in’09 was 91.5, actually SLOWER than the 92.1 it averaged in ’19.

          Price averaged 86.3 in ’08 on his CH, BUT, in ’09, his second season, he averaged 84.4… you know what he averaged in ’19? 84.4. So I guess guys fall apart after the rookie year is th data point there… at least in your world?

          Price threw a SL, but only his first 3 seasons. No data point there.

          Then you have the CU, price started using regularly in his 2nd season. On ’09 he averaged 78.0, and as a 3rd year player his second year of use it was 78.4. You know what he did in ’19? 80.7.

          So you see, not only did price not start out with a FB “over 95”, it didn’t decrease “over 3+” from when he “started” as you now make it sound like you meant as a rookie.

          The context of your earlier statement was actually saying “Price has been declining over the last few years. Over the last 4 years he has averaged 147 innings and an ERA of 3.84. Those seem to fit within my estimates, not yours. His fastball has declined from averaging over 95 when he got started to under 92 last year pre injury.”

          Everything points to you talking about either the last few years, the last 4 years, but no context ever referencing price as a rookie. Logical interpretation was either when he got started in boston, which fits the rest of the conversation and the time period being discussed, or, starting when he was 30…. but not as a rookie.

          Regardless, numbers/data disproved your over 95 as a rookie anyways, and, comparing rookie to 2019 also dont show even a number to round up to 3, let alone 3+.

          So wrong.

          I don’t need to misquote or personally attack to win anything. Numbers and data are on my side. I don’t include other pitches to “muddy the issue”, nice to try to presume my intent then again, try to attack me for it because you have NO FACTS for your positions, just distorted data that isn’t true. I include the other pitches like I include the other years… to show his entire body of work isn’t this sliding decline you make it out to be.

          Yes players decline with age. The rate of decline varies. Pitchers with control adjust to their decline to where, even WITH substantial decline in “stuff” they remain as effective, or even more effective, than at points earlier in their careers (which isn’t clear to be happening across the board here as might be implied by allegations)

          The one who has shifted, muddied and obscured is the one who got off and never defended his point.

          How, again, are price and lucchesi “the exact same pitcher last year” supporting the idea that “they have the same value” when all these metrics and data points show price was, and projects to be, the superior? And even if you don’t like the data, and refuse to accept my conclusions, even the projections agree price should be significantly superior?

          It’s ok to admit you’re wrong. I’m wrong every day, my wife tells me so. Even if I’m right, even then it IS wrong to tell her so… happy wife, happy life. That’s one battle you just never fight.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          100 more words and you can write a novel

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          Here you go again cherry picking your stats AltSoxFan. First off, I never said anything about any pitches other than fastballs considering that fastballs are the only pitch where pitchers are trying to achieve max velocity. You throw in all of these other pitches as “a giant body of statistical evidence” to prove me wrong, when they in fact mean nothing and were never a part of the conversation. Fangraphs is your friend huh? You used ’08 and ’09 I noticed. What happened in 2012? Well, he threw over 200 innings that year and averaged 95.5 on his FB. When you subtract his 2019 average of 92.4 from his 2012, what do you get?? 3.1 mph. So there is your 3 mph drop. You also only used fangraphs. Brooksbaseballl had Price averaging over 96 in in 2010. It also has him at under 92.4 on his FB in 2019. That makes it just under a 4 mph difference. MLB.com had him at 91.8 average FB in 2019. But again, if you cherry pick where you get your stats and which years to use you can prove what exactly? That his FB dropped just under 3mph instead of the just under 4mph if you use all his years? I said he had a 3mph drop when in fact it was closer to 4.

          So there you go, you went on and on for what 12 paragraphs? You put everybody to sleep. You threw all kinds of numbers that had nothing to do with the subject out there. And in the end after your “mountains of evidence” you turned out to still be wrong. All that after focusing on one minute, tiny part of my argument that you cherry picked out. And you were still…………wait for it……….wrong.

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        • Javia

          11 months ago

          Here you go again cherry picking your stats AltSoxFan. First off, I never said anything about any pitches other than fastballs considering that fastballs are the only pitch where pitchers are trying to achieve max velocity. You throw in all of these other pitches as “a giant body of statistical evidence” to prove me wrong, when they in fact mean nothing and were never a part of the conversation. Fangraphs is your friend huh? You used ’08 and ’09 I noticed. What happened in 2012? Well, he threw over 200 innings that year and averaged 95.5 on his FB. When you subtract his 2019 average of 92.4 from his 2012, what do you get?? 3.1 mph. So there is your 3 mph drop. You also only used fangraphs. Brooksbaseballl had Price averaging over 96 in in 2010. It also has him at under 92.4 on his FB in 2019. That makes it just under a 4 mph difference. MLB.com had him at 91.8 average FB in 2019. But again, if you cherry pick where you get your stats and which years to use you can prove what exactly? That his FB dropped just under 3mph instead of the just under 4mph if you use all his years? I said he had a 3mph drop when in fact it was closer to 4.

          So there you go, you went on and on for what 12 paragraphs? You put everybody to sleep. You threw all kinds of numbers that had nothing to do with the subject out there. And in the end after your “mountains of evidence” you turned out to still be wrong. All that after focusing on one minute, tiny part of my argument that you cherry picked out. And you were still…………wait for it……….wrong.

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        • larry48

          11 months ago

          Price with Dodgers will be worth a lot more than the 16 million the Dodgers are paying him . Price will be a lot more then Lucchesi who has a low base and not a very high point.

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        • yesgeo

          11 months ago

          why would anyone use price as a bench mark for anything. .. he is a erratic and unpredictable pitcher…. He gets on a role and he is 30+million. .. he goofs off and just plays child video games and he like worthless boy …. that is the gamble LA is taking with him..
          best you use a more consistent player as benchmark … even that is not quite right as value is only value as measured by the willingness of the teams to deal.. their needs assign value of a player to them …

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        • yesgeo

          11 months ago

          why would anyone use price as a bench mark for anything. .. he is a erratic and unpredictable pitcher…. He gets on a role and he is 30+million. .. he goofs off and just plays child video games and he like worthless boy …. that is the gamble LA is taking with him..
          best you use a more consistent player as benchmark … even that is not quite right as value is only value as measured by the willingness of the teams to deal.. their needs assign value of a player to them …

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        • yesgeo

          11 months ago

          why would anyone use price as a bench mark for anything. .. he is a erratic and unpredictable pitcher…. He gets on a role and he is 30+million. .. he goofs off and just plays child video games and he like worthless boy …. that is the gamble LA is taking with him..
          best you use a more consistent player as benchmark … even that is not quite right as value is only value as measured by the willingness of the teams to deal.. their needs assign value of a player to them …

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      • JoeBrady

        11 months ago

        “A month ago someone posted the actual rule,”

        I’m hoping that was me. I was posting this before the LAD. When it looked like SD, I thought Myers was a perfect piece coming back (before Moreland too, but it doesn’t matter much).

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      • Just_a_thought

        11 months ago

        Atl-
        Good points. You articulated this whole Myers debate and the differing valuation of his contract from both teams perspective in a way that any prospective reader could follow. I wish we could somehow favorite top comments to make them easier to refer to when someone is confused or being arrogantly wrong.

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        • looiebelongsinthehall

          11 months ago

          I think he was auditioning for the Saturday evening job at MLBTR. He certainly summarized things in a better way and fewer words than I could have.

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    • sandiegoharry

      11 months ago

      The pads would be idiots to give up ANY talent just to unload Myers. But then again, look at their GM.

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      • jpm9q3

        11 months ago

        Why else would Boston take a crap contract? To be nice?

        This is how salary dumps work.

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      • JoeBrady

        11 months ago

        Don’t think of in terms of talent, but rather in contracts. If, for example, the SDP find someone to take the entire contract, then they have $23M to spend on another player.

        It’s the equivalent of Myers + Campusano for Grandal.

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      • Rsox

        11 months ago

        The Padres would have to give up talent to unload Myers contract, that’s the whole point. Padres arent going to get anyone to take Myers straight up so they offer a kicker to sweeten the deal.

        Myers/Lucchesi for JBJ is not a terrible deal for either side.

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        • padreshave32yrstobestdodger1stwswin

          11 months ago

          Myers/SP Espinoza/C Hedges/OF Cordero for your C Vasquez and 250 tickets to Hair for visiting San Diego fans.

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      • nowheretogobutup

        11 months ago

        I hope we just keep Myers for 2020 save our young talent to see what they can do, its not a fire sale except Fowler(owner) stated last Nov. he wants Myers gone.

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    • 22222pete

      11 months ago

      Depends on who else is included. Padres might take 1 year of JBJ or Moreland for example which makes the hit minimal (3 million for soft cap purposes)

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      • Rsox

        11 months ago

        Moreland has zero defensive versatility and can only play 1B and the Padres already have Hosmer.

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    • Basebal101

      11 months ago

      There is NO type of salary cap in baseball. Luxury tax and salary caps are completely different. If you don’t understand that it’s OK, but don’t argue or debate things your ignorant about. PERIOD

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      • StPeteStingRays

        11 months ago

        “don’t argue or debate things **you’re ignorant about.”
        The irony is overwhelming me, lol.

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      • JoeBrady

        11 months ago

        Everyone knows that there is not a hard cap in baseball. And typically, folks refer to the primary $208M ‘cap’.

        Can we all just agree that ‘cap’ equates to ‘luxury tax cap’, so we can save a gazillion seconds not having to type all the out?

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      • Mo4ever

        11 months ago

        You seem to have totally missed the fact that salary cap and the $208MM luxury tax line are widely used interchangeably here on MLBTR comment boards. Call it a community custom. You can stand on principle but it makes you look like an annoying outcast stickler. There was an enormous conversation on this topic earlier in this thread and the custom won. Deal with it.

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        • JoeBrady

          11 months ago

          It’s a bit like when a pitcher pitches a one-third of an inning. People will refer to that as 58.1 IPs, for example, even though it is technically 58.33.

          But everyone in the world knows that it is the same thing.

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    • TBaggins

      11 months ago

      So if the Padres pay 30M the tax hit is 3.8M per year…

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  2. dynamite drop in monty

    11 months ago

    Lol what

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  3. stpbaseball

    11 months ago

    wow. what does the rockstar have up his sleeve?

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    • SDHotDawg

      11 months ago

      Preller knows he’s on the hot seat. I can see him making bad deals and giving away prospects just to say F.U. to San Diego on his way out the door. Just look at what he was going to give up for one year of Betts … Look at what he gave up for Grisham … and Pham … He’s not even close to getting any real, long term value back in most of his deals.

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      • Wolverines2

        11 months ago

        Yeah, that would be a brilliant move for him, career-wise. Dude…always bad takes.

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        • SDHotDawg

          11 months ago

          If he sees it as a lst ditch effort out of desperation, it’s a perfectly reasonable and possible outcome. For thinking people, that’s a hot take.

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        • SDHotDawg

          11 months ago

          *last* ditch effort

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        • JoeBrady

          11 months ago

          He’s not doing that. I don’t like the deals either, but that doesn’t mean they are necessarily bad deals. I like Urias, but I wouldn’t argue hard if someone thought he would not adjust to MLB pitching. And Grisham is not without talent.

          And i like Renfroe more than Pham, but Renfroe also has way more holes in his swing. These two trades look a bit lopsided, but also contain an element of prioritizing the next two years as opposed to the next four years.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          @JoeBrady so you don’t like Urias.

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        • JoeBrady

          11 months ago

          So you don’t like Urias.
          ————————-
          Well, I posted ‘I like Urias’. Are you implying an unwritten ‘don’t’ in there somewhere?

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          @Joe Brady…

          You said “I like Urias, but…” The word “but” literally means what preceded it is untrue, “used to introduce a phrase or clause contrasting with what has already been mentioned.”

          So I am going to call a spade a spade. You’re a Urias hater.

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        • JoeBrady

          11 months ago

          You’re losing it. I said I like Urias, but would understand if others didn’t.

          It might be time for you to step away from the keyboard for a bit.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          @JoeBrady whatever you say, Urias hater.

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        • JoeBrady

          11 months ago

          Seek help. I’m serious. I’ve seen people get way too wrapped up on these on-line opinions sites.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          @JoeBrady oh hi! So I heard you’re a Urias hater.

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      • nowheretogobutup

        11 months ago

        Nick Senzel goes to Padres in three team trade for one of Friars young RP, and George Arias to Reds, Myers and Campusano, along with Quantrill to Sox, Sox send one of their top 25 prospect back to Friars along with a roster utility player..

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    • SanDiegoPaul

      11 months ago

      Disappointment

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  4. 420ambassador

    11 months ago

    say sike right now

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    • ac106

      11 months ago

      Psych

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  5. mike156

    11 months ago

    Ok, this I’d like to hear more about.

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  6. Fred

    11 months ago

    Preller’s gonna do something real stupid before he gets fired

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    • baseballpun

      11 months ago

      He already signed Hosmer.

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      • Cam

        11 months ago

        100%. That signing alone is a fireable offense.

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      • Eatdust666

        11 months ago

        Fred means another really stupid thing.

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      • johnsilver

        11 months ago

        Give him somewhat of a pass. He didn’t sign harper and let Philly sign that prima donna.

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    • jimthegoat

      11 months ago

      Hasn’t he already done enough real stupid?

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    • SDHotDawg

      11 months ago

      Well, the good news is he wasn’t able to give away a bunch of talent for a one year rental of Mookie Betts. That would have been overwhelmingly stupid for the franchise. In fact, that’s the best deal he ever made – by not being able to make it.

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  7. Mookie's Lip

    11 months ago

    Do it if you can get Quantrill and plug him in as a 5th starter. Could use a right-handed bat in the outfield and at the corners. Roughly 10 million a year for that wouldn’t be awful if you can pick up some prospect capital at the same time.

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    • towinagain

      11 months ago

      Heck no!

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    • lowtalker1

      11 months ago

      Ok. Take him. He will end up being a reliever anyways. I’ll take Nintendo

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  8. soxzilla

    11 months ago

    What in the pointless hell is this crap

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    • Gary

      11 months ago

      JBJ 11 mil goes.

      Myers 11 mil comes, PLUS young guys.

      Probably a three-team trade cuz I don’t see how the Padres want Jackie Bradley jr. But the Sox angle is they would benefit-same salary but get a couple of young pieces for their previously crappy farm system. Win win.

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      • jpm9q3

        11 months ago

        JBJ can be cut for 30-days or 60-day pay during spring training. His salary is only guaranteed on Opening Day.

        But I assume BOS doesn’t want to cut him for optics. ‍♂️

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        • redsoxu571

          11 months ago

          Absolutely nobody would cut JBJ. He’s a limited asset due to lack of control and inconsistency, but still an asset at a position teams care about.

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      • soxsam32

        11 months ago

        Well they just dumped Margot so they could use a defensive outfielder. JBJ is a pretty valuable player

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        • bencole

          11 months ago

          JBJ has less than zero value at his current contract.

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  9. jpm9q3

    11 months ago

    Yates, Myers, and Quantrill for JBJ?

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    • LAblujay

      11 months ago

      I don’t think the Pads want to trade their closer.

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      • towinagain

        11 months ago

        ##%%#!!&#^$^!! No way your getting Yates for the table scraps the Sox have.

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        • mcase7187

          11 months ago

          You do realize the soxs still have a good team

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        • GothamNeedsMe

          11 months ago

          @ towinagain

          Do us a favor and look at the Sox lineup numbers before spouting rubbish. Particularly JDM, Bogey and Devers.

          Ya nincompoop.

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        • SoCalBrave

          11 months ago

          towinagain meant that JBJ is the red sox’s table scraps, not that the whole team is table scraps.

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      • jpm9q3

        11 months ago

        They just traded for a closer about as good as Yates. It would be a salary dump, most likely to get KB and try to save Preller’s job.

        They attach Yates desirable contract to Myers undesirable one to get some money to add KB, I think. KB and Pagan helps you win more games than Myers and Yates.

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        • bencole

          11 months ago

          The Padres aren’t trading Yates for a salary dump

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          What if the deal for KB is agreed to but Preller just has to find, let’s say, 18.6M in the budget?

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        • larry48

          11 months ago

          Padres should trade Yates now or later

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      • sandiegoharry

        11 months ago

        A bad team has no need for a closer; But they’d be smart to hang onto yates until the ASG to get max value.

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    • harpchado

      11 months ago

      Please stop. This would be dumber than dumb.. Yates could net us a bounty of top 100 prospects.

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      • baseballhobo

        11 months ago

        Top 100 prospect not prospects.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          And SD doesn’t need more Top 100 prospect. Preller needs a .500 or better season to save his job.

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      • rememberthecoop

        11 months ago

        Keep in mind Yates is a free agent after this season so that delutes his value somewhat.

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      • Randy Red Sox

        11 months ago

        I thought you already had enough top prospects to overtake LA soon??

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    • lowtalker1

      11 months ago

      Bradley sucks

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      • jpm9q3

        11 months ago

        So does Myers. That’s the point. 1 year of a player who sucks for 3 years of a player who sucks. This is what big market teams do.

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    • DVail1979

      11 months ago

      The Red Sox main target is and has been Campusano … id guess any Wil Myers deal must include him

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      • padreshave32yrstobestdodger1stwswin

        11 months ago

        Hedges and Myers for your C Vasquez.

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        • Mishimacool

          11 months ago

          When the 3 little piggies fly.

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    • jimthegoat

      11 months ago

      The Red Sox aren’t trading for any rentals unless it’s someone whose contract is underwater and allows them to add prospects in the trade so Yates is out.

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  10. Bigmabe333

    11 months ago

    Who would the Sox send to the Padres?

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    • jpm9q3

      11 months ago

      JBJ or Eovaldi, I’d assume. Probs JBJ since he a one-year deal and SD can use a CF

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      • mcase7187

        11 months ago

        I could see it being both of them to be honest but who knows with Bloom he’s a clown

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      • Russianblue35

        11 months ago

        Eovaldi isn’t going anywhere.

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    • DarkSide830

      11 months ago

      cash

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    • Freddy H

      11 months ago

      1 year of jbj for 3 years of Myers + prospect. Pretty simple.

      If it turns into a 3-team trade things get a bit more complicated, but the value in concept is still there.

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  11. WeedBedWilly

    11 months ago

    He is gonna clear space. Then go after Arenado.

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    • jpm9q3

      11 months ago

      KB more likely.

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    • DarkSide830

      11 months ago

      where does Arenado fit in San Diego?

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      • seamaholic

        11 months ago

        Doesn’t at all. The goal seems to be Lindor to Cincy, Senzel to Padres, bunch ‘o prospects to Cleveland.

        If I’m a SD fan I’m more than a little leery of this. Cleveland will want some serious names for Lindor.

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        • sandiegoharry

          11 months ago

          As an SD fan, I’m leery of ANYTHING that Myers does. For my money, i just give him an outright release. He has negative trade value.

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        • hockeyjohn

          11 months ago

          Cleveland won 93 games in 2019 despite many key injuries. They are not trading Francisco Lindor for a bunch of prospects that are not MLB ready.

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        • Lamar SmithLamar Smith

          11 months ago

          Freddy Galvis, would go to Cleveland in the deal.

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        • hockeyjohn

          11 months ago

          Freddy Galvis? That is very funny.

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      • Eatdust666

        11 months ago

        Nowhere, unless if they moved Tatis to second and Machado to short.

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      • hiflew

        11 months ago

        The only place Arenado fits in SD is the visitor’s locker room and dugout.

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  12. hyraxwithaflamethrower

    11 months ago

    Don’t get the comments so far when we don’t know who else Boston is getting or who they’d give up. Padres want to be rid of Myers’ contract, who wouldn’t? That’s just one piece of this deal. I want to find out the rest before I decide if one team is being dumb.

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    • disgruntledreader

      11 months ago

      This is the internet, hyrax; there’s no need to have any actual information before arriving at opinions that must be shared!

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      • hyraxwithaflamethrower

        11 months ago

        Lol!

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  13. towinagain

    11 months ago

    This is pure BS. Don’t do it Padres. This isn’t for Mookie Betts or Price its a #$%*@^$ salary dump. The Padres would trade Myers and top prospects for the Sox to take on payroll?

    Wait the Sox would take on payroll? Why did they trade Betts to the Dodgers?

    Make up trade for the sign stealing scandal. The Sox gave away Betts to the Dodgers as a peace offerring of sorts.

    This is garbage. DO NOT TRADE WITH THE SOX, PADRES.

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    • hyraxwithaflamethrower

      11 months ago

      I’d hardly call Verdugo and Downs and getting out of half of Price’s deal a garbage return for just one year of Betts. It’s a white flag for this year, no doubt, but those two for six or seven years could be more valuable than one year of Betts would be.

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      • Lamar SmithLamar Smith

        11 months ago

        And there is still a possibly the Sox sign Betts next year. Either way, as much as I hate losing Betts, getting Verdugo, Downs and Wong for a potential one year rental is worth it.

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        • Basebal101

          11 months ago

          Wong won’t amount to anything, but you are right on the other 2. Boston could and i’d debate should end up winning that trade. Dodger fan here

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    • jpm9q3

      11 months ago

      Yates, Myers, and Quantrill for JBJ clears $19M for 2020 and allows them to take on KB salary without increasing their payroll. Might be the play here.

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      • towinagain

        11 months ago

        Heck no!!!!! The Padres would be getting screwed by the Sox.

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        • Lamar SmithLamar Smith

          11 months ago

          How so?

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      • bencole

        11 months ago

        Why would the Padres do this? They’re not going to trade Yates for this. And JBJ basically has negative value at his salary. So Yates and Quantril, and taking on JBJ with negative trade value, just to move $10 million a year for 3 years on Myers? And what do the Red Sox have that would get them KB? I don’t get any of this.

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        • bencole

          11 months ago

          Unless, you’re suggesting the Pads getting KB. They certainly have the pieces. Although that doesn’t change all the things wrong with the rest of it.

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        • Mishimacool

          11 months ago

          With Devers, the Red Sox have no need for KB.

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      • hyraxwithaflamethrower

        11 months ago

        No way in hell they trade Yates for just the return of JBJ and getting out of half of Myers deal. Yates is a far more valuable trade chip than that. As for Bryant, I think that’s a mistake, too. Last year, they were 36 games out of 1st and the Dodgers got better. Even if all of their young guys hit on their talent right away, they’re not making the playoffs this year, so they waste one year of Bryant. That leaves them with one year left of Bryant and they’ll have had to give up several prospects from their vaunted farm and pay Bryant close to fair market value for his last arb year. It’s just not worth it.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          Well, if they are getting KB and their owner won’t raise the payroll his 18,6M, then Preller has to find 18.6M. Half of Myers is 11 and yates is 7. That’s 18M right there. Maybe San Diego can take on JBJ and cut him, because I think arbitration salaries are not guaranteed until Opening Day or something. Or maybe Boston can make this deal and cut JBJ themselves since they have Pillar for center.

          Yates is the sweetener to clear half of Myers, which allows them to take on KB’s salary without increasing payroll. And Pagan steps in for Yates with minimal detriment to the bullpen. SD wins more with KB and Pagan than Yates and Myers.

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        • bencole

          11 months ago

          Who says they can’t add payroll? And you don’t get rid of a good player for a salary dump. If you trade him, you take fair market value for him, or very close, in a trade. If you are San Diego, and this weird set of assumed facts were true, you wouldn’t just send Yates to Boston for nothing, you would trade him to someone else for actual value. This makes less sense than the more you explain it

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        • bencole

          11 months ago

          So Quantril, plus maybe a middle tier prospect, should be enough to move half of Myers contract to Boston. No one would likely take JBJ for free, because he adds either negative value, or zero value if you cut him. You would likely have to give up something just to get rid of JBJ. Adding JBJ makes the trade worse for San Diego. Yates has a ton of actual value. Why would San Diego give him to Boston basically for free, even if they needed to cut salary, when they could just trade him to another team for his actual value???

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          “You don’t get rid of a good player for a salary dump”. Did you see the Mookie Betts trade? That’s exactly what you do in a salary dump. The team getting dumped on isn’t taking the dump to be nice. They are getting something they want and can use later.

          SD traded for the Yates replacement last week.

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        • bencole

          11 months ago

          Boston got some value in return for Betts. What I should’ve said was “You don’t get rid of a good player for nothing for a salary dump,” which is what you are suggesting. Boston got two top prospects and got out of half of Price’s deal for 1 year of Betts. They didn’t do it for nothing.

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        • saavedra

          11 months ago

          what a dumb take.

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        • justme

          11 months ago

          I thought the same Theo has history making deals with the padres..but my thought was cubs would take Ian that would be 4 mill off the books and leave them just to eat 4 mill with the exchange of Myers to the Sox…and added bonus cubs have a back plan at second in case nico needs more time in the minors

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      • Dorothy_Mantooth

        11 months ago

        No way they are sending Yates to Boston in this deal; but as a Sox fan I would certainly welcome it. A JBJ for Myers and Quantrill deal makes some sense for Boston but not sure if that is enough for SD if Boston is only taking on 1/2 the Myers deal. I believe SD’s CBT number would actually go up this year with this deal as Bradley is making $11M and Myer’s CBT number is $14M of which $7M will stay with SD

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          Can’t JBJ be cut before Opening Day with a minimal luxury tax hit? He might go to SD for SD to cut him so Boston can save face?

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          Or JBJ goes to CHC in a KB package?

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        • bencole

          11 months ago

          JBJ IS WORTHLESS TO EVERYONE. HE HAS NEGATIVE VALUE.

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      • rememberthecoop

        11 months ago

        JBJ is terrible offensively and his numbers even went down defensively in 2019. No thanks. He is overpaid.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          You can say all the exact same about Myers, can’t you?

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        • bencole

          11 months ago

          Yep. The problem doesn’t come with that. The problem comes when you try to include Yates and Quantril for the back two years of Myers deal. Because its nowhere close to the same value. Half of Myers deal isn’t that much money, and it isn’t that far from Myers actual value, which could be $4-5 million

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          Boston has to get value back to make taking on Myers worthwhile. You’re right, Myers is about Pence or Pillar level production, so that’s $4-5M per year, but Boston would agree to pay him $11M per year, so something has to make up for about $18M in value. Quantrill isn’t enough. Either a starter prospect or Yates gets this deal done. But half of Myers and Yates = KB salary wise and Padres save top pitching prospects to send to Chicago (might only take one and position player at this point).

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        • bencole

          11 months ago

          Even with one year of control, Yates is way to big of a piece here. Quantril, sure, you may even get a Michael Baez as well. But SD is not taking away from their current team in a significant way to do that, even if they get Bryant.

          Chicago is looking for a franchise-altering return for Bryant. Because they are still a contender they can hold if they don’t get that. Being in Chicago, i can tell you that they don’t need to move him for payroll, I’ll bet the odds are 85% they keep him the whole year, without cutting any other payroll, providing they are at least somewhat in the race

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        • mrpadre19

          11 months ago

          Except Myers had a couple very good seasons.All Star level seasons.
          JBJ is all defense and no offense….like Margot.
          Myers is still young….there is at least the possibility he will hit again.

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        • Golfer1081

          11 months ago

          Where do people get their info? Myers has exactly the same number all star appearances as Bradley, Myers had a negative war last year too while at least Bradley post a 2 war, and that’s playing in the AL, his average prob rises a bit in the NL. 20 homeruns/60+ rbi’s isn’t nothing either. He can put up numbers, he’s just very inconsistent. Bradley also just won a gold glove the year befor, his defense isn’t dropping.

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        • Golfer1081

          11 months ago

          You’re only figuring in his cap hit, real money is a whole different thing.

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        • SDHotDawg

          11 months ago

          All-star? Once. Barely. And overall, it was NOT an “all-star level season.” Not even close.

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      • SDHotDawg

        11 months ago

        Have you had any success trying to trade coal for diamonds? JBJ isn’t worth more than a mid-tier prospect or a fringe big leaguer, and you want Myers, Quantrill, AND Yates?? Unreal.

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    • DrDan75

      11 months ago

      I really think that Chaim Bloom wants to screw Preller and the Padres over the Pomeranz/ Espinoza trade.

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      • Bromojoe

        11 months ago

        The same Espinoza that got shut down a month after the trade and had to require 2 TJ surgerys and still hasn’t recovered? That the trade we’re talking about?

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        • redsoxu571

          11 months ago

          Bromojoe, don’t lie. Espinoza finished the season fine the year he was traded, and the forearm tightness that after three months was found to be a UCL tear likely developed in the offseason or spring training. If Espinoza was feeling something prior to that, I haven’t seen it reported. Boston was willing to trade Espinoza precisely because these kinds of things happen with very young pitching prospects. It’s sad for everyone, but Boston has zero blame there.

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      • dynasty in boston

        11 months ago

        Bloom didn’t make that trade. Dumb-rowski did. And Pads gave Sox damaged goods

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        • Padres2019ha

          11 months ago

          You’re either delusional or a moron. Padres got the damaged goods. hello!

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        • Dorothy_Mantooth

          11 months ago

          Espinoza was 100% healthy when he was traded. He was also 18 years old and trying to throw every ball through the catcher’s mitt which is a recipe for TJS. Pomeranz on the other hand was damaged goods…which Preller hid from Boston and got suspended by MLB for doing so.

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      • welty79

        11 months ago

        Bloom wasn’t even with the Red Sox when that trade was executed. He was still in the front office of Tampa Bay until this offseason

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      • mrpadre19

        11 months ago

        DrDan75…..where have you been the last two years?
        Pomeranz performed for the the Sox and is still a good ML player.
        Espinoza is still to date years away from the majors.
        The Sox didn’t get screwed at all….
        The Padres still have nothing to show for the All Star LH starter they traded to Bos.

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        • Golfer1081

          11 months ago

          Padres lied on Pomeranz’s paperwork. Espinoza passed a physical, it’s nowhere near the same.

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    • Buzzed Capra

      11 months ago

      Make up trade for the sign stealing scandal? That’s hilarious.

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    • redsoxu571

      11 months ago

      “Why did they trade Betts to the Dodgers”? Because they wanted to get something substantial for him before he walks to free agency next year, and because the team already wanted to get under the luxury tax it made sense to use him to accomplish both goals, that’s why.

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      • jimthegoat

        11 months ago

        @redsoxu571 if they are trying to contend in 2020 then getting something substantial for him before he walks and getting under the luxury tax don’t matter. A championship is worth more than anyone the Red Sox got for Betts. And now, Betts’ production just has to be replaced, which will cost Boston a lot more than what Betts is making in 2020.

        … unless you are ready to admit that the Red Sox are sunk for 2020.

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    • JoeBrady

      11 months ago

      You seem to be afraid of the RS FO.

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  14. Tipsy McStagger

    11 months ago

    So, Padres, Red Sox, and Cleveland.

    Red Sox get Myers plus prospects from SD.

    San Diego gets 2 years of Lindor and pay half Myers’ remaining salary.

    Does Cleveland get prospects? Major league talent? What does San Diego and Boston give Cleveland?

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    • jpm9q3

      11 months ago

      Don’t think Cleveland is giving up Lindor. Seemed like they wanted to trade either Kluber and Lindor and chose Kluber, which is defensible since he was their No. 3 or No. 4 starter. This smells like a way to clear salary space for KB (who went to college in SD), who the Padres would play in LF.

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    • DarkSide830

      11 months ago

      where does Lindor fit in San Diego?

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      • imindlessimindless

        11 months ago

        My thoughts exactly unless padres are giving up tatis. Just a homer throwing together idiotic deals.

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        • Tipsy McStagger

          11 months ago

          Mr. Mindless — I’m not the one who brought up Lindor. Are you calling the writer of the article (who is using sources) to be a Homer?

          In the scenario proposed, Tatis or Lindor would move to second. Profar would be utility. Not that complicated. Also know it likely won’t happen. This is a rumor site. It is more of a fantasy.

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        • rememberthecoop

          11 months ago

          No team is going to trade a boatload of talent to get Lindor and then move him to 2B. That’s idiotic.

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        • Tipsy McStagger

          11 months ago

          Don’t blame the messenger. The scenario of going after Lindor is clearly presented in the article above. Okay smart guy, if they are actually exploring trade options for Lindor, what do YOU think San Diego would do if they got him? They could also move Tatis to second, which I ALSO proposed. And just like you, I believe it is unlikely. BUT, Lindor to the Padres is clearly presented in the above article.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          Tipsy McStagger knows nothing.

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        • Tipsy McStagger

          11 months ago

          Mindless —

          cbssports.com/mlb/news/why-a-francisco-lindor-trad…

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        • Tipsy McStagger

          11 months ago

          Jim the goat uses insults because he is mad. I presented an argument a while back that resonated with more baseball fans than his own silly nonsense. He’s out for blood.

          Oh, Jim. Look! Another article speaking of a Lindor to Padres trade:
          cbssports.com/mlb/news/why-a-francisco-lindor-trad…

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        • hockeyjohn

          11 months ago

          Tipsy, the CBS article that you quoted looked at a possible trade from the Padres side, but he had no clue as to what it would take on the Cleveland side. All he mentioned was Margot as a piece to the Indians. Cleveland would not want or need Margot, another light hitting center fielder. Cleveland already has 4 center fielders on their forty man roster. If you are going to quote an article, quote one that is written by someone with half a brain, because the CBS writer quoted has no brain at all.

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        • JoeBrady

          11 months ago

          Jim refuses to believe that the RS can be competitive this year. Absolutely nothing will change his mind. And it wouldn’t matter if we received a one-year throw-in that was great, and could be traded at the deadline.

          If the throw-in in the Betts deal was Betts himself, he still wouldn’t want him.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          @Tipsy McStagger not insults, just facts. I’ve seen your comments on other articles. I don’t like to use the word delusional but oh my God.

          Preller can try all he wants. But it would take parting with prospects you would call untouchable to get Lindor. Again, the Indians don’t want or need to trade Lindor. Trading him means pulling the plug on the 2020 and 2021 seasons. It is that posturing that will allow the Indians to demand a king’s ransom. It’s not like the Marlins with JT Realmuto where everyone on planet Earth knew they had to trade him.

          And trying to shed Myers in the trade will make it much harder. I would venture to say impossible.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          @JoeBrady if the RS are trying to contend this year why did they trade Betts?

          And that one-year throw in will have much less value at the deadline than he would now for reasons that should be obvious.

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        • AtlSoxFan

          11 months ago

          @jimthegoat:

          There’s more than one way to contend for the postseason, and keeping every talented player under control ISN’T the only way to build a successful team.

          Last offseason TB released, not traded, RELEASED CJ Cron.

          FYI, Tampa Bay made the postseason in the following year.

          Sometimes addition by subtraction works, not only when it eliminates an underpreformer or a clubhouse cancer, but because even if you give up a quality guy it allows you to do other things that have a bigger improvement than what you had standing pat.

          Don’t let facts get in the way of your particular worldview though

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          Cron’s production was easily replaceable. Betts’ is not.

          The Red Sox did not get anything that will help them in 2020 more than Betts would have. Andrew Friedman would not have made that trade because it would have meant he made his team markedly WORSE for both 2020 and beyond.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          The Red Sox can be competititive without Betts by freeing up payroll that they can then use to add PITCHING, which is what they really need to make a run at the wild card. They scored runs like the Dodgers last year and gave up runs like the White Sox. Betts doesn’t pitch and even without him, they have 2-3 legit MVP candidates in that lineup.

          The goal of the game is not to have the most great players. It is to win games, and you win games by scoring more runs than you lose. Scoring was not a problem for the Red Sox last year and it won’t be a problem for them even without Betts.

          Tampa also cut Corey Dickerson. Remaining flexible to add what you need as the season goes on (and in future seasons) is the way to build a consistent winner. The problem with keeping Betts and Price was there was no room in the budget for adding pitching without losing international signing money and dropping their first round draft pick 10 spots (i.e. severely hurting future talent acquisition). If the Red Sox were competitive with the Yankees, that may have been worth it. But they weren’t. Their compeition is the Rays.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          There is no one the Red Sox could sign for the $27m Betts is making this year that will win them more games than Mookie Betts. If there was, the Dodgers would have gone out and signed that player rather than giving up prospects and controllable MLB players with upside for Betts.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          It’s not like that. Boston now has payroll they can use to add pitching, either through grabbing Yates (or other relievers) from San Diego or adding rentals in July from all the teams that fall out of the race. Offense is not the reason Boston missed the playoffs last year or the reason they might miss the playoffs this year. Their pitching is trash, particularly their bullpen.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          Does trading Mookie hurt their odds of winning a championship? Absolutely. But you have to make the playoffs first before you can win a World Series.

          We have to see what (if anything) they do with the payroll flexibility before we completely judge the Mookie trade.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          “It’s not like that. Boston now has payroll they can use to add pitching…”

          Cool. What pitcher is available for $27m that would win the Red Sox more games in 2020 than Mookie Betts would have?

          “But you have to make the playoffs first before you can win a World Series.”

          Yes and trading Mookie makes that demonstrably less likely.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          Plenty of different combinations of pitchers, Yates is 7. Not sure on all the rental starters. Maybe Stroman from the Mets. Gausman from SF if you want a swingman. A whole bunch of different options.

          BOSTON’S HITTING IS NOT THE PROBLEM. THEY WERE THIRD IN RUNS SCORED LAST YEAR . AND. MISSED. THE. PLAYOFFS.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          Stroman isn’t available. Yates really isn’t either. And that still wouldn’t be enough to make up the 7 wins they lost by trading Mookie. If it was, LA wouldn’t have traded Verdugo, Downs and Wong for him they would have just spent that money on the guys you mentioned and kept the prospects.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          Nah. Betts isn’t 7 wins on his own. At most he’s the 7 wins he has minus the 4 wins Verdugo gives em. If you mess with WAR like that, which I don’t.

          Dodgers traded for Mookie to win the World Series.

          You’re not understanding the difference between regular season and postseason here.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          And there’s no telling who becomes available in July. If Boston is competitive at the deadling, they have money to add pitching. They have money to add pitching now, but it’s pretty late in the offseason for that.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          But according to you all of those rentals the Red Sox could supposedly get for the $27m that Betts is making will help a team win the World Series more than Betts would.

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        • AtlSoxFan

          11 months ago

          Jim, you make a fallacious argument, again, regarding mookie.

          1) your argument presupposes that verdugo will contribute 0.0 war to the redsox in 2020. Mookie could’ve broken an arm or leg in 2020 and contributed 0.0 war as well. Reality is, in just over a half season in LA one piece of the return, verdugo, put up above 3 war and his spray chart is favorable to fenway which may help even more – lots of high fly balls to LF that can clear the monster, low fast line drives to the cavernous RF. Assuming verdugo returns to full health even halfway through the year is likely to give right back 3 or more war right there, half what is lost.

          2) offense wasn’t last year’s problem. Boston in 2019 hit 245 hrs, with 901 runs scored.

          Mookie hit 29hrs, and 80rbi. He also reached base at a .391 clip hitting .295.

          Verdugo in a half year hit 12 hrs and 44rbi. He reached base at a .342 clip hitting .294. You extrapolate that for a full year and you get the same .ba with 24hrs, not counting the fenway effect, and 88rbi, not counting the fenway effect.

          Verdugo projected to extra rbi before accounting how fenway should help his numbers.

          Even .40 better in OBP only means an extra 16 base runners over 600 appearances. Not all 16 would even score. It’s a pretty much a wash, and they say he’ll be healthy

          The addition of pillar creates a unified jbj/pillar platoon that each player’s strong side split had an ops of .850+. A HUGE upgrade from what JBJ had last year playing fulltime.

          The much bigger issue for boston was the 800+ runs allowed.

          But it appears the “lost production”, on paper, has already been replaced.

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        • AtlSoxFan

          11 months ago

          And since it timed out before my edit went in, yes, the math *appears* off but is consistent. Also I couldn’t correct typos.

          In 500 PA .040 better OBP means reaching base 20 more times, but not becoming a base runner for purposes of scoring more runs/rbis for others.

          Mookie had more hrs than verdugo would project same season, not accounting for fenway effects.

          When mookie hits a hr, he counts as reaching basee BUT he already scored himself. He isn’t and cannot be a base runner someone else could try to drive in and get an rbi from.

          So while mookie would have the higher OBP you deduct how many extra times he was already off the basepaths as one of his own rbis…

          500pa × .040 obp is 20 times reaching base. Deduct for the 5 hrs mookie scored himself get 15 baserunners. Add one extra to be reasonable for likelihood of exceeding 500PAs.

          16 likely baserunners that could be scored per year by other batters.

          That doesn’t likely cost boston much compared to the 2019 season.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          @AtlSoxFan so if Betts’ production has already been replaced. If Verdugo on his own will be about as good as Betts in 2020 as you say, not to mention shedding Price and Verdugo having 5 years of control, why did Andrew Friedman make the trade?

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        • AtlSoxFan

          11 months ago

          We’ve gone over that exact same question in prior threads Jim. And same answer.

          1) they added price @ 16m/yr into the rotation. Not an ace, but has value and was an upgrade. Makes LA much better.

          2) frees up maeda to get traded for graterol – potential lights out setup man in 2020 and closer in the future

          3) as a result of the graterol trade they get another prospect and comp rd draft pick (which bonus pool increase allowing above slot/underslot manipulations elsewhere, in addition to the comp balance pick if mookie leaves.)

          4) considering other players on the farm verdugo is somewhat expendable

          5) sometimes organizations sour on a player for non-production related reasons, in boston cite to castillo who has sat in purgatory despite solid numbers and could’ve been called up for 2020 instead of tendering jbj at similar cost

          6) part of making up the equal production requires having added the production of someone else into the equation – taking on more salary by signing pillar which wasn’t an option before the mookie trade due to risk of rising to the highest level of cbt penalties and losing draft pick slots, intl bonus money, etc before freeing up financial ability. That addition wasn’t possible for LA but was a platoon opportunity for BOS, and makes up for the slightly lower production than betts.

          7) LA with its OF set and stacked didn’t have anywhere to slot in anyone on the FA available to be a platoon partner to further improve their WAR like BOS did… instead they had to get a slightly higher WAR replacement to swap in.

          8) to excite and energize the fanbase, generate buzz, increase season ticket, merchandising, and season tv game package sales. If you don’t think those picked up after bringing mookie to town you’re crazy.

          9) because they could, and, it’s a move thats a chain mail glove slap across the face to the rest of mlb saying “come get us”. The NYY got to make noise this offseason. Plenty of people wondered what LA would after bowing out in the NLDS, and all their earlier big ticket FA moves fell just short. Mlb is entertainment, and LA is the entertainment city of the USA. They expect high theatre, and they’re getting it.

          10) it just plain didn’t cost much. No big longterm contract. No prospect from atop the pipeline or atop the org depth chart for the position. Just affordable.

          11) an entire year to woo a top generational talent of MLB, let him experience firsthand your city, fans, ballclub, and operations the way no mere free agent pitch ever could.

          How’s that for starters?

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          1) But according to you the players they gave up/could have signed in FA for the money they are paying him would win them more games. You can’t go back on that now.
          2) They didn’t need to trade for Price to trade Maeda.
          3 And that helps them in 2020 how?
          4) Doesn’t matter. According to you he would have won the Dodgers about as many games in 2020 as Betts. Not to mention for cheaper and controlled longer.
          5) Boston refused to call up Rusney because of a loophole that has since been closed which keeps his salary from being counted towards the Red Sox’s CBT hit. Everyone knows that.
          6) Yes the Dodgers could have signed Pillar. And according to you it would have won them more games than trading for Betts
          7) Neither did BOS. At least not until they traded Betts.
          8) Padres tried this in 2015. And the Blue Jays in 2013. And the Marlins in 2012. How’d that work out for them?
          9) Just because they can doesn’t mean they should. And according to you they shouldn’t have.
          10) Well according to you it cost them players who are just as good as Betts and Price and cheaper and controlled more than just one year.
          11) There is no evidence that that provides any benefit to a team. If anything there is evidence to the contrary.

          #takeaseat

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        • AtlSoxFan

          11 months ago

          Jim, maybe something you wrote there somehow makes sense to you… but none of them do in the real world.

          You asked why would Friedman of the dodgers, make the trade. Thats what you asked me. Those reasons above you could pick and choose from.

          Facts are:

          1) I’m not walking back anything. Who did I say the LAD could’ve signed in free agency would win the LAD more games than keeping verdugo, downs, and wong? Remember, YOU ASKED ME ABOUT FRIEDMAN. Price wasn’t a FA that I’m aware of, your comment makes no sense.

          2) I didn’t say they NEEDED price first, I said it freed them up. Maeda was a proven SP and a great depth piece. Slotting Price in bumps the other options down the food chain, replacing the depth piece that was lost, whiLe giving a stronger option where he is slotted in.
          3) Again, you asked why FRIEDMAN makes the trade. No requirement for a 2020 benefit, although, arguably the comp pick from MIN is in the 2020 amateur draft so….
          4) yes, it does. Again it comes down to being an mlb manager isn’t the same as playing fantasy baseball on yahoo where you just start whoever you want. You’ve only got so many roster spots, so, if you can move someone and gain a series of benefits, and that player has more value sort or long term to another team than to your own you capture that excess value when you can. Not every player has the same value to every team.
          5) this year the cbt hit to calling up rusney for his final year is not much different than that of jbj. There is more to not calling up someone than that. However, YOU ASKED ME WHY FRIEDMAN MIGHT MAKE THE TRADE. Boston’s motivations with castillo are really immaterial to the notion LA may have soured on verdugo in some way. You respose is unresponsive to the actual point.
          6) LAD could’ve signed Pillar…. to play where? Pillar makes sense in boston because JBJ has an abysmal platoon split. JBJ isn’t on the dodgers, and thus, doesn’t give the combined .850 OPS because… wait for it… there isn’t a JBJ to pair him with in LA! Not every player has the same fit, or usefulness, to every organization.
          7) of course boston did!?!?! It’s been with JBJ as a platoon the whole time? Nothing to do with betts leaving, pillar always fit like a jigsaw puzzle with JBJ whose been there for years. It’s not something that was created by mookie leaving. BUT AGAIN, YOU ASKED WHY FRIEDMAN WOULD TRADE. reason is, no role for pillar on the stacked dodgers team. To increase the combination of 3rd SP through price, and a bit of OF war they brought in betts. It was a shIP one out to get slightly better, plus price. Thats the LAD perspective combined with other points listed above/repeated here.
          8) show me the club financials from those years as well as other to compare to and we’ll talk. but, they aren’t synonymous with the LAD market, so, I doubt smaller markets with less dedicated fan bases like those are exactly analagous.
          9) you say nothing here. Why shouldn’t they, and, where did I say it?
          10) I’m not sure where you claim I said any such thing? I said that verdugo, plus complementary moves boston made, that fit in boston, but wouldn’t fit in LA, wouldn’t work the same in la, and wouldn’t have the same value to la, equalized the lost production of mookie betts… but thats about all I said about that. I also never said anything about price. But the players do make a cheaper salary, so what? LAD can afford to spend more and don’t care if they do. As the trade shows.
          11) Again, you say nothing here. Players have gone on to sign with teams they traded to based on enjoying time there. Teams have decided guys aren’t right for them and showed no real interest in bringing them back too. Again, it’s an incentive when coupled with some of the other reasons why FRIEDMAN would consider making the trade.

          Having cleared your smears and misinformation, I expect I wash my hands with this exchange. There’s no point in going further due to the type of responses you put out

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          Too long. Didn’t real.

          Again, who will help a team more in 2020: Betts and Price or Verdugo, Downs and Wong? If the former, then that proves my point that the Red Sox aren’t trying to contend in 2020. If the latter, then Andrew Friedman needs to be fired for negligence.

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        • Tipsy McStagger

          11 months ago

          My point is simply that Lindor to the Padres has been bandied about. Is it unlikely? Yes! Was it brought up in this very article that we are commenting on? Yes! All I did was run with it to see what such a deal would look like. Don’t take it personally. Just having a little fun.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          I didn’t take anything personally?

          I wouldn’t go as far as to say that Lindor for Myers could never happen. But the prospect cost would make Padres fans cry.

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        • Tipsy McStagger

          11 months ago

          That comment wasn’t to you Jim. I should have directed it. Oh well.

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        • Mishimacool

          11 months ago

          So what? Red Sox have 4 flags flying forever since 2004.. If it takes a minor reset…who cares? Seems like the only ones saying no are the ones minus their own flags.

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      • You know what this is called? Intimidation.

        11 months ago

        Trades don’t need to fit on MLBTR

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    • jimthegoat

      11 months ago

      Would take some ninja GM’ing to shed Myers and get Lindor in the same trade. Especially when Cleveland is actually trying to contend this year so you’d have to give them enough prospects to agree to pull the plug on the next 2 seasons, not just enough prospects for Lindor.

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  15. MafiaBass

    11 months ago

    It’s JBJ. If the Friars pick up half the salary that will be offset by unloading him. The Sox
    would be saving the Padres around 20M since JBJ is a free agent after the year, and that’s why a prospect comes back.

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    • MafiaBass

      11 months ago

      Could get Espinoza back?

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    • jpm9q3

      11 months ago

      And can’t JBJ be cut and paid practically nothing? that’s easier for SD to do than Boston, optics-wise.

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      • jimthegoat

        11 months ago

        Not 100% sure on this one but pretty sure that rule doesn’t apply to players with 5 or more years of service time.

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    • jpm9q3

      11 months ago

      I think they might have to add Yates to get Sox to take Myers. Sox would basically be undoing their financial flexibility they got by unloading Price.

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      • jimthegoat

        11 months ago

        Myers has no value to the Red Sox. Negative value even because he would cost money and hurt their draft position.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          Yates* has no value to the Red Sox. We already knew Myers didn’t.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          Hurt their draft position?! Boston is trying for a wild card spot. A top closer and a fifth starter help them with that goal. All for swapping out Myers for JBJ..

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          “Boston is trying for a wild card spot.”

          Bull. If Boston was trying for a Wild Card spot in 2020 they wouldn’t have DARED trade Mookie Betts.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          Nope. See above. The Red Sox need pitching. Couldn’t add pitching and keep Betts and Price without impairing future talent acquisition.

          Boston offense will still be Top 5 in baseball even without Betts. Very few teams have something comparable to Xander, JDM, and Devers in the heart of their order.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          There is no one, pitcher or otherwise, they could add for $27m that will win them more games than Mookie Betts would have. Let alone make up the 12 win deficit they need to make the playoffs this year. Especially when all the other teams fighting for AL wild card spots this season have made themselves markedly better.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          It’s not one pitcher. $27M can buy a shitton of rentals (if they chose).

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          And those rentals combined won’t win the Red Sox more games than Betts would have.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          Vegas dropped the BoSox win total ONE GAME after the Betts trade. Folks that have their jobs riding on this know that trade didn’t hurt their chances of winning regular season games in 2020 that much.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          Too bad the game is played on the field and not on your little Excel spreadsheet.

          In the real world, there is no way that trading the second best player in MLB only drops their win total by one.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          Xander, JDM, Devers, Benny, and Verdugo are in the real world. About 25 teams would trade their offenses for those guys straight up.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          And those guys still weren’t enough to get the Red Sox within pissing distance of the playoffs in 2019. And that was WITH Betts and Price putting up 9 WAR for the team.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          how many runs do they lose by downgrading Betts to Verdugo? 50? They are a top 10 offense in the game no matter what they lost with Betts.

          They just, you know, have to do that pitching thing, which I hear is pretty important.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          You don’t think pitching is imporant. You think the team with the most All-Stars wins. That’s fine. Everyone has the right to be wrong.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          No, the team that can score the most runs while allowing the fewest runs to score against them wins. And Betts helps them greatly on both fronts. Way more than anyone else who was available for that price. Otherwise, Friedman would have gone after someone else.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          Nah. Under your theory, the Rays would not make the playoffs because they don’t have Mookie Betts and the Angels would make the playoffs because they have Mike Trout. Odd that that’s not how it works.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          The Red Sox offense improved in 2019 from their championship year, but they lost more games. Why’s that?

          OH, THEY GAVE UP 181 MORE RUNS!!!

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          @jpm9q3 no because the Rays have a strong enough rest-of-the-roster to make the playoffs without Betts. The Red Sox don’t.

          The Angels obviously don’t have a strong enough rest-of-the-roster to make the playoffs even with Mike Trout. If he was 1 year out from FA and hellbent on going to FA like Betts he’d have been traded too.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          So the rest of the roster matters for teams that don’t have Betts but teams that have Betts only need Betts? Hmm

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          That’s not what I said. Like at all.

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          I think that’s precisely what you said: Other teams can be better than Boston because they have better all around rosters, but even if Boston improves its roster, they can’t win because they don’t have Betts.

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          Boston hasn’t improved their roster this offseason. They have done the opposite.

          They are rebuilding. Which yet again if they want to do that then that is completely fine.

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        • Ebouch25

          11 months ago

          That’s because you over value Betts. He is a small guy that will fade in the next 3 to 5 years. Which is why as a Red Sox fan, I am wary of going after him next off season for the money he is demanding.

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    • dynasty in boston

      11 months ago

      Thank you. You’re the lone voice of reason from the looks of things

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  16. The_Porcupine

    11 months ago

    Myers plus campusano for eovaldi and a prospect wouldn’t be bad. Though I’m not sure anyone is saving any money. I don’t think JBJ has that much value to be and upgrade for what the Padres already have

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    • jpm9q3

      11 months ago

      JBJ and half of Myers is cost neutral for 2020, but savings for 2021 and 2022. I think JBJ can be cut for pennies before Opening Day, though. Or he can be sent to Chicago in a Kris Bryant deal.

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      • bencole

        11 months ago

        JBJ has negative value though, including to Chicago, why would he help a Bryant deal? They’d have to give up more for Bryant if they had to take back JBJ…

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        • jimthegoat

          11 months ago

          @bencole if that’s the case why didn’t Boston non-tender JBJ?

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        • jpm9q3

          11 months ago

          They want to trade him and (worst case) they could cut him before Opening Day for very little expense. They don’t need to cut him now after Betts trade, though,

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    • Javia

      11 months ago

      Adding Eovaldi to this trade means the Padres only save $5.5 million per year. They are not giving up Campusano for that little. Also, that leaves the Sox with essentially a 3 man rotation. They need more pitching not less.

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      • jpm9q3

        11 months ago

        Yes. It’s a JBJ for Myers swap with SD adding value on their end. SD can then trade JBJ somewhere for the stud they want or cut him for 30- or 60-days pay.

        The thing is this deal only makes sense for SD if the cleared salary is immediately turned into a major contributor. Preller most likely won’t be there to benefit from future salary savings if he doesn’t get this team in third place and/or .500 soon.

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    • Cooperdooper7

      11 months ago

      Makes no sense at all…. who is going to pitch for Boston—- try again.

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  17. soxsam32

    11 months ago

    What the actual hell is boston’s front office doing. This has been the most inconsistent offseason strategy I’ve ever seen. It makes absolutely no sense.

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    • jpm9q3

      11 months ago

      Getting pitching. Yates for bullpen and Quantrill for rotation.

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      • jpm9q3

        11 months ago

        Or Quantrill and another pitching prospect for the rotation, but I’ve always thought SD getting Pagan signaled a Yates trade to unload Myers.

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    • Jeff 1Bworthy

      11 months ago

      Actually it’s very consistent. Get under CBT and stockpile prospect capital, controllable assets. See homer bailey for downs/gray trade last season. If you have the salary space, use your financial resources to acquire prospects via taken on a bad contract is a good strategy.

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    • lowereastsider

      11 months ago

      Agreed. Why take on 3/$30M for Myers who will provide replacement level production? Does it really matter where they finish the year in the standings? Stockpile a bunch of minor-league OF deals and hope one figures it out is a much better option and flip him at the deadline to a contender.

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  18. Marius

    11 months ago

    Intriguing. I do not think that Boston has anything that SD needs so, like many posters here, I think a larger deal is in the works. Never a dull moment in SD!

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    • DarkSide830

      11 months ago

      its a selary dump. all they have that SD wants is the ability to take Myers’s salery

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    • SDHotDawg

      11 months ago

      That doesn’t matter to Preller. Roster management has proven to be a weakness of his.

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  19. Cooperdooper7

    11 months ago

    The only way the Red Sox do anything like this is to get a controlable starting Pitcher in the deal + another prospect to take on Myers and JBJ would have to go to take on Myers. Personally I would be asking for a combination of Baez, Morejohn + Myers for JBJ and and a Prospect.

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    • jpm9q3

      11 months ago

      Don’t count out Kirby Yates.

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    • lowtalker1

      11 months ago

      Preller isn’t stupid enough to trade for Jackie Bradley jr

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      • jpm9q3

        11 months ago

        JBJ can be cut for practically nothing before Opening Day, I believe. It would just be a bad look for Boston to do it.

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      • hiflew

        11 months ago

        He was stupid enough to trade for Matt Kemp and Melvin Upton Jr.

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  20. CLKR

    11 months ago

    Sale??

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    • Padres2019ha

      11 months ago

      I’ve been saying this for a while. However the Sox would be selling low. Unless he’s cooked and we get hosed again ala Espinoza

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    • Eatdust666

      11 months ago

      Are the Padres dumb enough to take on that contract?

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      • hiflew

        11 months ago

        Yes…next question.

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    • hyraxwithaflamethrower

      11 months ago

      As a long-time White Sox fan, I think Sale bounces back. His funky arm angle seems to have caught up with him in recent years, but if you look at his advanced metrics, last year seems to be bad luck as much as anything. His K ra