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Red Sox Still Open To Adding Rotation Depth

By Mark Polishuk | February 27, 2020 at 8:40pm CDT

With Chris Sale heading to the 15-day injured list, a Red Sox rotation that was already lacking in depth got a little bit thinner to begin the season.  To this end, Sale’s situation doesn’t really alter the team’s interest in potentially adding a new arm from outside the organization, as chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom told reporters (including the Boston Globe’s Alex Speier and MLB.com’s Ian Browne) that the Sox were exploring such an acquisition even before Sale’s recovery from pneumonia delayed his preseason preparations.  “We would always want to accumulate as much depth as we can.  So I don’t think that changes,” Bloom said.

The Red Sox could look into trade possibilities, perhaps picking up a starter who has become a spare part on another team that already has an excess of pitching candidates.  Such surplus arms could also become available closer to the end of Spring Training as teams start to finalize their rosters, not to mention the free agent hurlers who are currently on the market.  While these pitchers might not necessarily be picky in choosing a new team this deep in the offseason, the Sox can offer extra opportunity to available starters, since a solid short-term performance could lead to a proper rotation spot even after Sale returns.

Sale, Eduardo Rodriguez, Nathan Eovaldi, and Martin Perez were Boston’s top four projected starters, and with Sale now out for at least the first couple of weeks of the regular season, the battle for the fifth starter’s job now expands to a battle for two spots.  (Assuming a “starter” is required at all, since interim manager Ron Roenicke raised the possibility that the Red Sox could use an opener for one or both of the rotation spots.)  Hector Velazquez, Ryan Weber, Matt Hall, Chris Mazza, Phillips Valdez, and Brian Johnson are among the names under consideration, and it’s possible that the Red Sox could stick with one or more of these options rather than an outside acquisition.

“We have a lot of guys here we’re interested in learning more about, that we’re excited about, and we brought them all in for a reason,” Bloom said.  “We have some guys within the organization to help them get better. This is good to see them put those adjustments into play and learn more about them.”

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  1. Russianblue35

    5 years ago

    Oooof

    Reply
    • looiebelongsinthehall

      5 years ago

      Bring back Looie. Even had his age, could he be worse than some of the stated options? While your add it, add the Spaceman too. With social media of today, imagine a Red Sox team with Bill Lee, Bernie Carbo and Reggie Cleveland? Even without Don Zimmer around, off the field reporting would make 2020 a fun experience to witness.

      Reply
      • koolga

        5 years ago

        Hell, I think Pedro could still compete with the best of them. That would be fun…

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      • Mlb1971

        5 years ago

        Loose – Don Zimmer died in 2014, but having his coffin in the dugout would be interesting

        Reply
      • Ketch

        5 years ago

        And one where games would need to end by 6pm

        Reply
  2. DarkSide830

    5 years ago

    Vargas is your man

    Reply
    • Ketch

      5 years ago

      Agreed. Although at some point a right-handed pitcher would be cool. Clay Buchholz reunion?

      Reply
  3. amk3510

    5 years ago

    The Red Sox looking for a starter? They should trade for someone on a team with lots of SP depth. Such as David Price of the Dodgers!

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    • Ketch

      5 years ago

      Sure if the Dodgers pay half his salary.

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  4. jneumann

    5 years ago

    Should have signed bartolo when you had the chance

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    • TeddyBallgameYazJimEd

      5 years ago

      Should have tossed an offer at Rich Hill.

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      • Ashtem

        5 years ago

        Hill is out till mid season

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  5. 8

    5 years ago

    Puig is still on the market

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    • looiebelongsinthehall

      5 years ago

      With that arm, he could be their best option on the mound.

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      • Ketch

        5 years ago

        I like the way you think

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  6. bigdaddyt

    5 years ago

    Still open to a starter? Ya don’t say, pretty sure 3/4 of the league would be okay adding a couple #5s to stash in aaa

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  7. YankeesBleacherCreature

    5 years ago

    A non-dehabilating illness. Sale will miss like two starts.

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    • mcdusty49

      5 years ago

      Sounds fairly debilitating to me, the guy is going to miss time…a common cold is non debilitating

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      • looiebelongsinthehall

        5 years ago

        I just worry the team is hiding something. I love a healthy Sale (who wouldn’t?) but until he has a consistent good stretch in August, I’m not buying into him.

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      • SHAW

        5 years ago

        I think hes playing head games
        He’s shot balls and he knows it
        Opening day just about a month away & he’ll be on 15 day IL

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      • Randy Red Sox

        5 years ago

        Yeah sure plus the others he will miss later in the season.

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  8. soxshortstop

    5 years ago

    Yikes – those six guys are pretty scary…. BJ and Matt Hall are probably the best options? Convert Darwin? bring up Mata?( they probably don’t want to start the MLB service time clock on Mata yet)

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    • 123redsox

      5 years ago

      Mata is 20 with 11 starts at double A with a 5.03 ERA. Hes at least a year away

      Reply
  9. bobtillman

    5 years ago

    Trade for the Shark. If they fall out of the race, he can catch passes from (fill in the blank) for the Patriots.

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    • mcdusty49

      5 years ago

      Andy Dalton lol

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    • looiebelongsinthehall

      5 years ago

      Only if his salary is prorated with the Pats to keep the team under the threshold. Even then, the Giants would have to throw in Yaz, the grandson. Would be great to see number 8 again batting at Fenway in a Sox uniform. I’m hearing Sherm Feller now: “now batting number 8…”

      Reply
  10. badco44

    5 years ago

    Geez, pitching? Ya think… it’s a no brainer

    Reply
    • Randy Red Sox

      5 years ago

      We got LOADS of pitching with all those GREAT signings Wonderboy Mr Bloom pulled off early in the off season when no-one was looking.

      Reply
  11. mookiessnarl

    5 years ago

    Darwinzon should get a shot in the rotation. I’d like to see them take a flyer on Aaron Sanchez for when he’s ready to come off the DL in a couple of months too. Everything else that is still on the market is pretty terrible. This ideally would have been something to address immediately after trading your #2 starter, not once the inevitable spring training injury thinned an already incomplete rotation.

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    • Randy Red Sox

      5 years ago

      Sanchez makes far too much sense for Mr Bloom. Why would we want a guy who is AL East tested and only 27 with lots of miles left on his arm?? Let the Yankees have him.

      Reply
  12. Rich Hill’s Elbow

    5 years ago

    Vargas or Cashner, it’s that simple Bloom…

    Reply
  13. Mick1956

    5 years ago

    This doesn’t make a lot of sense. Of course they have to consider pitching acquisition. This isn’t a little bump in the road either – Boston needs Sale to stay healthy or it is a huge loss for them, just like Sevy is a big hit for NY. And they are struggling to fill true #2, may have a legit #3 & 4, but are struggling with pitching like many teams. Hopefully, they get Sale back and don’t have to hit the emergency button which necessitates roster moves that will likely be disadvantages for them.

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  14. Calebert84

    5 years ago

    Jeter Downs back to Cincy for Romano, Mahle, and Santillan. Add a 2nd/3rd tier prospect from BOS to CIN.

    Reply
  15. pasha2k

    5 years ago

    If Chris has an elbow why put off surgery? I heard that today on WEEI

    Reply
  16. Sonny42

    5 years ago

    If boston was smart they should of gotten stripling in the trade for mookie

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    • Dorothy_Mantooth

      5 years ago

      They should have demanded Gonsolin in the trade. That would have solved a lot of issues.

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  17. Calebert84

    5 years ago

    Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Lol. They could have gotten Maeda at that point. Or likely even bullpen help (if middling at best.) Now they need starters, and the Reds have a plethora, (if not great) to deal with. Romano still throws 97+, Mahle is great with his fastball up, even if he needs help with his secondary stuff, Santillan still hasn’t made the majors, but is next in line. The next 3 Reds starters aren’t coming down the pipe for a little while… (Lodolo, Greene, Hendrix). In the meanwhile Boston gets 3 interesting and most likely competent arms, for the cost of a A class prospect that the Reds have already (regrettably) traded away once.

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  18. phillyballers

    5 years ago

    Jake Arietta for JBJ?

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    • Calebert84

      5 years ago

      And the purpose of that would be what? The Phillies rotation is already bunk, and they’re adding an $11 mil CF with no discernable offensive skills. May as well let Odubel try his best when he gets back. Other than that, Haseley is more than a significant stopgap.

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    • 123redsox

      5 years ago

      Hasely is the present and future in center for the phillies

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  19. Calebert84

    5 years ago

    Makes 2 people talking about Vargas. The last effective starting soft tossing lefty in my mind was Jamie Moyer… And even at this point, I think I’d rather have him (nearing ACTUAL retirement age) than Vargas.

    Reply
  20. All American Johnsonville Dogs

    5 years ago

    Time to revisit the Myers talks

    Red Sox get Wil Myers, Ronald Bolanos, Adrian Morejon, Michael Baez, Reggie Lawson.

    Padres take back Jackie Bradley Jr.

    Red Sox pick up 3 SPs in Morejon Baez and Bolanos plus a former high draft pick that could use a change of scenery.

    Padres get out from under Myers contract and replace CF with a stop gap for a year.

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    • Calebert84

      5 years ago

      That is a stretch at best. The Pads aren’t giving up that many pitching prospects (it’s in the volume, not the level) just to get out of paying Myers. Not only that, tho does BOS trot out to center? This is a horrible proposal, gonna need an edit.

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      • Horace Fury

        5 years ago

        Sox/Padres have been talking quite a while about such a trade. Assuming Myers comes over, he becomes a starting OF (with Verdugo still healing), so Pillar goes to C or R, Benintendi goes to the other, and Myers goes to left.

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        • 123redsox

          5 years ago

          I wish the sox and padres would do Quantrill, myers and Naylor for Bradley and Dalbec

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        • Javia

          5 years ago

          I am sure the Padres would do that trade in a second 123Redsox. I just think the Sox are determined to try to get a top prospect in return for Myers. Which if fine with me. I really want the Padres to keep Cal Quantrill. I think he is going to be very good.

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        • steve dolan

          5 years ago

          Quantrill, Myers and Morejon for JBJ and Dalbec.

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      • 123redsox

        5 years ago

        Caleber84 did you just ask who would play center for Boston? Lol. Benintendi was a centerfielder in college and in the minors and has played 71 games on the majors in center. He is above average in center. But the more likely option would be kevin pillar, a gold glove caliber centerfielder who is currently slated for a 4th outfield role but is an every day quality outfielder who played 161 games last year, 129 in center

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      • Ketch

        5 years ago

        Kevin Pillar would Troy our to CF. Sin Puig for RF.

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    • madmc44

      5 years ago

      I think that ship has sailed. It would be nice for the Pad’s to bail on Myers however they would be taking on JBJ @ $11 M. So a total savings of $19 M.
      I’m A Sox fan–I would love to see some added pitching prospects come back-we are not going to find a trade partner willing to send a top pitching prospect
      without getting a Dalbec, Chavis , Chatham, Houck, Mata or Duran.
      I would say PATIENCE ! There will be many players available as Opening Day approaches. Ground Fishing can sometimes benefit teams with a budget issue.
      Information gathering for Bloom are the words for the day. I love how the Rays have found Diamonds in the Rough.
      We have close to a month before Opening Day.
      As long as Verdugo is questionable for Opening Day unless the Sox feel Duran is ready JBJ will probably be on the Sox roster.

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  21. madmc44

    5 years ago

    It may be the Sox either make a commitment and decide they want a veteran and pay the price and Trade higher end talent Benintendi, Vazquez, Groom Or sign one of the few free agents like Buchholtz., as someone suggested earlier for a Maeda combination deal.
    In addition you can always become a disciple of the Rays fifth day reliever day
    Starters: Eovaldi, ERod, Perez, Tanner Houck,and the 5th day Brian Johnson and his friends.
    Better hope the Sox hitters bat as advertised.

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    • 123redsox

      5 years ago

      Groome isnt making the opening day roster. Weber likely will and hauck, velazquez and hall could have a chance in the rotation too.. johnson could have an opportunity but he isnt even on the 40 man roster right now. Hes a non roster invite. .. I would love to see the Sox sign Buchholtz. If it works out they could get 20-25 solid starts out of him for very cheap.

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  22. SHAW

    5 years ago

    I think hes playing head games
    He’s shot balls and he knows it
    Opening day just about a month away & he’ll be on 15 day IL

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  23. SG

    5 years ago

    It’s stating the obvious that the RSox need an additional SP.
    It’s likely they’ll wait and pluck off what comes their way.
    Rather than make a huge splash.
    Something new for them and many of their fans.
    But that’s Moneyball.
    For me this is what baseball is all about.
    I find this style of play exciting and challenging.
    Make lemonade out of lemons.
    It takes vigilance and hard persistent work.
    But the opportunities will come their way.
    Just wait and see.
    They are in the catbirds seat.

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  24. ramon garciaparra

    5 years ago

    Every year most teams in baseball have unsettled back ends of rotations. Every year pitchers emerge from team depth to have competent seasons. This is a year in which the Red Sox act like most everyone else instead of throwing money at stop gap solutions. This year not every question has an answer. This year’s team promises to be one of the more interesting ones in recent times. Most seasons of late the Red Sox barely even changed a player on their roster. It will be interesting to see who emerges this season and whether the team performs better with the lower expectations which has often been the case in the past.

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    • Horace Fury

      5 years ago

      It’s nice to read a comment like yours in which there is appreciation for players who aren’t marquee stars. That’s all Dombrowski knew. Now we get to see Bloom work the other end of the salary spectrum. Once he’s out of the 2020 payroll bind with more breathing room, then we’ll get to see if he can build the club both ways, continuing to find undervalued players on the cheap as well as spending when the right player and circumstance comes along. I look forward to that. It’s just as interesting to me to see if Arauz can stay on the 26-man as it is to find out if Bogaerts can duplicate or even better his 2019.

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    • Mick1956

      5 years ago

      Yeah, but this isn’t back end either. It’s their entire roster. Boston fans (not you) hammer the Yankees for losing Paxton, then doubled down when we lost Sevy. Boston has far more to worry about because the Yankees will be able to fill the 4&5 roles much better than Boston will be able to fill 1,2 & 5. Yanks still have their ace, but if Sale is going to be out longer, which I think he will, Boston is in big trouble. I hope for the Sox fans it is relatively minor, but pitchers are taking a big his already this year, nonetheless.

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    • Mlb1971

      5 years ago

      Ramon Garciaparra – I agree completely. When is the last time Boston gave a rookie a real chance to develop…2006 Jon Lester, 2007 Clay Buchholz? The only way to have controllable young starting pitching is to give them a chance. In the 1970s most young pitchers came up as middle relievers and when they got experience moved into the rotation like Al Nipper, Chuck Rainey. Not many were Roger Clemens going 9-4 in 1984. The opener idea is a way to get the most out of the Jalen Beeks type pitchers and it has worked. Like RG’s post, I am looking forward to seeing who emerges from the minors and accusations. The Red Sox probably will not make the playoffs, but that does not mean it will not be an enjoyable season.

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  25. Rsox

    5 years ago

    Jason Vargas can be probably be had cheap. Clayton Richard too. A Clay Buchholz reunion could be interesting.

    Cashner was pretty much terrible after going to Boston last year.

    Matt Harvey and Ervin Santana could be possibilities if they are willing to come cheap

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  26. Dorothy_Mantooth

    5 years ago

    Looks like Boston is waiting out end of spring training DFA moves to grab an extra starter on the cheap. If they were interested in any of the remaining FAs, they’d be in camp already as they can all be had for minor league deals or super cheap MLB deals. I’d expect them to pick someone up right before the season starts, as that person should already be stretched out from the camp they were DFA’d from.

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    • Dorothy_Mantooth

      5 years ago

      If not, they might give Tanner Houck a shot in April to see if he’s ready for the majors. As Chaim showed in Tampa, he has no issues with burning service time on questionable big league candidates. If they hit then it’s great for the team. If not, he can turn them over for different assets. The bottom 10+ of Boston’s 40 man roster will be in constant flux this season, which will be a welcomed change from them holding onto the likes of Sam Travis, Brian Johnson, etc.. for way too long.

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      • Mlb1971

        5 years ago

        Man tooth – Sam Travis was redundant, and I agree it is nice to see more emerging player get chances rather than recycling retread late 30s, broken down players. Loved watching Buchholz 2007 – 2013, but do not want see him now listed on Red Sox IL….been there done that.

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  27. SHAW

    5 years ago

    I expected a SP or 2 and wanted our bullpen to lose the scrubs instead
    Price Porcello depart .They’ve overspent way to much on these players and they either are on IL
    for months half a season or just dont play the game..Thank God we got offence hopefully enough to give us a productive season defence is great too..Its that bullpen still no improvemsnt in my eyes .Oh supposedly Workman ( my man) is our closer.You need long releif short set up & a closer to complete a bullpen.Especially if your starters cant pitch 3-4 innings..
    Good nite

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  28. Deleted Userrr

    5 years ago

    Embrace the tank Red Sox fans. Next offseason your luxury tax penalties will be reset, Mookie Betts will be a free agent and you can bring him back and you’ll have a top 10 draft pick to look forward to using in a very loaded 2021 draft class.

    … Unless the Red Sox have to forfeit that pick because of the sign stealing issue.

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    • GaryWarriorsRedSoxx

      5 years ago

      This is exactly correct. Except not mookie. Not going to give 350 million dollars to a 5-10 guy will be 29 years old. Like Andrew McCutchen halfway through that seven-year contract he’ll start to break down. But they will sign the right guys and for Big Money. Red Sox are never afraid to spend money like that. They’ve always done it. Trying to catch the Yankees. The only way to do that is to get guys.

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  29. AL34

    5 years ago

    Why doesn’t this team just cut the crap already and admit Sale has been hurt for almost two years now. They went into the season with lousy pitching depth and it got worse with the trade of Price. They have no 4th or 5th starters and virtually throwaways as potential 4th and 5th starters. Bloom did nothing to add depth to the rotation and bullpen but add garbage. The fans and Boston media will run this guy out of Boston in two years. The Betts trade will be his downfall

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    • Mlb1971

      5 years ago

      DD traded a tons of young talent to win the 2018 World Series. The price is retooling after many of this contract expire. I am sure the Red Sox will spend big money next year after they reset CBT.
      Krimbal – 4 prospects
      Thornberg – 4 players including Travis Shaw
      Sale – 4 including the #1 rated prospect
      If goal is winning the World Series there is a price. (Compared to the Yankees 2010 – 2019 7 playoffs, 0 World Series wins)

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  30. koolga

    5 years ago

    They should consider bringing back Buchholz. He’s matured and would be really cheap to fill in when needed. Toronto only paid 3 million last year, probably could sign him for 1 or 2 with incentives now.

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  31. uncle mike

    5 years ago

    The Cardinals have 2 pitchers with Excellent talent……Carlos Martinez and Alex Reyes. In mine and others opinion, these 2 will flourish in a change of scenery not that Cardinals pitching coach, Mike Maddox is bad, the 2 would could most probably communicate and be more trusting of the pitching coach system of another organization. Clean start for goth with no build in opinion about themselves to try to hurdle before the season even begins. C. Martinez and A. Reyes would be great for the Red Sox too!!!!!

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  32. steve dolan

    5 years ago

    Trade with the Padres is still alive, How about Quantrill, Myers (half his salary) and Morejon for JBJ and Dalbec ?

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    • Ketch

      5 years ago

      San Diego dropped out to retain pitching depth. That means they want to keep Quantrill and Morejon more than they want to dump Myers.

      Reply
  33. jdodge22

    5 years ago

    Not a great look. The worst is when they try to lie to us and tell us how much they are intent on competing this year. Like we are all morons. Chaims off to a very poor start. II know it’s not his payroll but he couldn’t figure out that they needed starting depth? Is he thinking of going with all openers now?

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  34. Ketch

    5 years ago

    Sign Puig and trade Benintendi for a SP?

    Baseballtradevalues.com likes Benintendi to Oakland for Frankie Montas and the contract of Steve Piscotty (more so included as an incentive, but his exclusion is not a deal breaker).

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    • madmc44

      5 years ago

      Bloom got stung by the Betts Trade by his mentor Friedman; it won’t happen a second or third time . Is Montas, Piscotty and a pitching prospect for Benny the best you could expect? I have a feeling Cincy might be interested in a return to his hometown
      If you dangled Benintendi you could get something you need back.

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    • Rsox

      5 years ago

      Montas has had one decent half season, which he torpedoed by getting busted for PED’s. Piscotty may not be ready for opening day and we already have one Outfielder (Verdugo) not expected to be ready.

      If you’re going to trade Benintendi you need to get better than that.

      Reply
  35. SHAW

    5 years ago

    Nooo Nooo not Puig
    Benny needs to platoon the monster
    He’s the best #1 on my roster

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  36. Ketch

    5 years ago

    Dalbec to KC for Jakob Junis. KC 3b candidates per MLB.com include Maikel Franco and Hunter Dozier. Dozier can be plugged in to either a corner OF spot or 1b. Franco is no guarantee of anything. Sox get. RHSP who is already hated in the Bronx.

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    • Rsox

      5 years ago

      Sox need to give Dalbec a chance before shopping him for a back of the rotation starter.

      Franco IS the Royals 3B for 2020 and Dozier is moving to RF, so it’s not like it’s an open competition between the two.

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