Matt Harvey isn’t calling it quits. The former Mets ace tells Dan Martin of the New York Post that he’s throwing bullpen sessions once or twice per week in hopes of landing a contract once the leaguewide transaction freeze has been lifted. Harvey reportedly tried out for the Blue Jays in February and didn’t receive an offer, but the 31-year-old feels he’s used the additional downtime to correct some “bad habit from last year” that he might’ve otherwise rushed through.
“I hope somebody gives me a shot,” Harvey tells Martin. “I feel like I have many more years in me. … I’ve grown up and matured on and off the field.”
Harvey’s swift fall from grace has been well documented. Injuries decimated what looked to be an extraordinarily promising career for the former No. 7 overall pick, who pitched to a 2.53 ERA/2.65 FIP with 9.5 K/9 and 2.0 BB/9 through his first 427 MLB innings. In a span of less than three years, though, the touted righty underwent Tommy John surgery and thoracic outlet surgery. The injuries were followed by a sharp downturn in his results on the field, which combined with a reputation for partying off the field and a questionable clubhouse presence to sully the general opinion of the former “Dark Knight” in Queens.
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However, Harvey had a rebirth of sorts following a trade to Cincinnati. The right-hander didn’t completely return to form, but his velocity improved as he worked to a respectable 4.50 ERA in 128 frames out of the Reds’ rotation in 2018. Harvey was clobbered in two of his 24 starts with the Reds (15 runs in a combined nine innings), but outside of those poor showings was quite solid (3.70 ERA). He held opponents to three or fewer runs in 17 of his 24 starts with the Reds. By all accounts, he appeared to be a good clubhouse fit there.
The improved velocity and relative stability he showed with the Reds prompted the Angels to bring Harvey in on a one-year, $11MM deal. It was a somewhat steep price to pay for a pitcher who many still viewed as a reclamation project, but the upside with a pitcher of Harvey’s pedigree was alluring enough to pique the Halos’ interest. Instead, Harvey delivered a disastrous 7.09 ERA and 6.35 FIP that were worse than even his lowest points with the Mets. He latched on with the A’s on a minor league deal but was never called to the Majors.
Harvey made a couple of relief appearances with the A’s in Triple-A and was said to be open to trying out a reliever role, so perhaps he’d be open to that this time around. At this point, a “beggars can’t be choosers” mentality seems like a necessity, so a short relief role doesn’t seem to be out of the question. The league’s proposal to the Players Association reportedly will expand rosters to as many as 30 players and could have a taxi squad of 15 to 20 additional players available to every club. That type of roster expansion could seemingly help Harvey’s chances, as clubs will likely aim to stockpile as much pitching depth as possible.
It’s been nearly five years since we’ve seen Harvey at his best, but he’s still just 31 years old. A return to prominence may be a long shot, but we’ve seen longer shots make successful comebacks in recent years (Rich Hill, Scott Kazmir among them).
DarrenDreifortsContract
I remember when people were saying he was better than Kershaw lollll
God's Other Son
For a short time, he was.
DarkSide830
what, for like a few days? at no single point in time was Harvey a better player then Kershaw.
jyosuckas
He was a hell of a lot better than Kershaw has EVER been in October when it matters
MarlinsFanBase
Small sample for Harvey. Who knows how he would’ve performed overall if he led his team to as many postseason berths as Kershaw has led the Dodgers to.
Maybe he’ll lead his community softball team to something.
jyosuckas
Fair on the Harvey point but doesn’t dismiss Kershaw from being very below average in the Post Season
MarlinsFanBase
And it doersn’t dismiss that Harvey was 1 of the 4 overrated pitchers on the Mets pitching staff that was handed greatness before they proved anything.
jyosuckas
Right…. deGrom is soooo overrated. Reigning Cy Young winner back to back, sorry your team sucks and won’t be good anytime in the near future so you have to be bitter, maybe momny can make you pancakes in the morning and cheer you up
MarlinsFanBase
Um, can you read? I clearly stated that Harvey was “…1 of 4 overrated pitchers on the Mets pitching staff…”
Let’s do a count…
Harvey makes 1
Syndergaard makes 2
Matz makes 3
and Wheeler makes 4
Did I say 5 or are you having problems with reading and counting?
As for the comments about me being bitter about the Marlins vs the Mets…really? Would anyone be bitter about a the Mets? Would any team be bitter about how their team compares with another team when our team took far far far far less years to win just as many championships as this other team? Would a person be bitter about their team vs a team that has less achievements in many areas, while having far more years of existence?
Oh yeah, and would a fan of a team be bitter about another team that has the longest championship drought in our division?
And a little fun fact in relation to this bitterness…it’s been so long since the Mets won a championship that the majority of living Mets fans have seen the Marlins win more championships than the Mets. Heck, soon we’ll be able to say that the majority of living Mets fans have never seen the Mets win a championship.
I can go on forever on this.
Bitterness? lol
1986 and being able to fill 3 rosters full of failed prospects. The Mets can fill more rosters of failed prospects (at least 3) than they can point to championship rosters (only 2). That’s the Mets. Game…set…match.
rct
Please link to a source calling him better than Kershaw. His first ‘full’ season was 2013, and even that one was truncated by injuries and then he immediately had TJ surgery.
In 2013, Kershaw already had five season in the majors, four of them stellar.
For 2013’s stats in particular:
-Harvey – 2.27 ERA, 157 ERA+, 2.01 FIP, 178 innings, 191 Ks, 4th in Cy Young voting
-Kershaw – 1.83 ERA, 194 ERA+, 2..29 FIP, 236 innings, 232 Ks, won the Cy Young (his second, with another 2nd place finish in 2012)
Who was calling him better than Kershaw? No one. You’re ‘remembering’ nothing because it didn’t happen. They were compared favorably, but no one was saying Harvey was better.
MarlinsFanBase
rct…see Erik Christiansen’s post above. Any debate now? lol!
I also remember Mets fans saying that the pitching staff of Matt Harvey, Jacob deGrom, Noah Syndergaard, Steven Matz and Zack Wheeler was one of the great pitching staffs in MLB history. They weren’t even the best staff in any season they were together, and not even one of the top 25 in the last 3 or 4 decades.
mlb1225
To be fair, the rotation had the potential to be really really good though. Just didn’t come close to it.
MarlinsFanBase
Every pitching staff that invests time with pitching prospects has the potential to be really good. It isn’t like guys make it to MLB without talent.
The be fair and accurate, that staff was hyped up because they were on a NY team. When other staffs in small markets have stud pitching prospects, they aren’t as hyped up and declared as “great” before they do anything. They are noticed after they show the goods. Mets pitching staff was verbally handed Cooperstown votes, All Star Game appearances, Multiple Cy Young Awards by multiple members of that staff, World Series championships, etc. before they proved anything – and to date, only one of them (deGrom) has lived up to the hype.
mlb1225
I’m not saying the praise was deserved, most certaintly not, but after 2015 you can understand why. deGrom and Harvey were coming off of sub-3 ERA seasons, Syndergaard had an outstanding rookie season and was only 22, Matz had done really well in his first few games, and before he missed 2015 and 2016, Zack Wheeler looked like a really good starter.
MarlinsFanBase
Yeah, and look how many other teams over the last 4 decades built young pitching staffs that ended up having better resumes in their careers as a whole than this one. And yet this one was the one that was hyped up more so than all of them.
That’s the point that a lot of us make about this pitching staff and why any time any of them are talked about, especially in their struggles, so many of us, particularly NL East and Yankees fans, chime in because we’ve heard the garbage hype on this group that didn’t earn one ounce of hype that they were given when compared to the many other pitching staffs that were better. Seriously, this pitching staff was the most hyped up pitching staff since the Orioles had a staff of 20-game winners about 50 years ago. So many young pitching staffs composed since then that were better than this one, but weren’t given the respect until they earned it (unlike this one).
So pardon us if we’re jumping on it and laughing at Mets fans and their media who awarded that overrated pitching staff everything before they accomplished anything – with only one of them having earned the respect and the other 4 being duds.
mlb1225
I’m not saying they weren’t overrated, but I’m just saying there was a lot of talent just by going off of their numbers after 2015.
MarlinsFanBase
Yeah, there’s no doubt that there’s talent, but so has many other young pitching staffs that were composed. Those many other young pitching staffs put together didn’t get the hype despite going on to accomplishing more in individual seasons and in career resumes.
This Mets staff will go on to be just another staff, with just one top pitcher, with their only significance was being overrated.
They did not achieve what the young pitching staff that was put together to make the 1985/mid 80s Royals; the 1990/early 90s Reds; the Braves of the 1990s; the 2003-05 Marlins; and many other young pitching staffs that were put together with studs that ended up accomplishing more in certain seasons and careers. And these mentions are just off the top of my head.
Ruben_Tomorrow 2
That I don’t remember, but I do remember the comparisons to he and Strasburg because they’d face off against each other frequently. In fact, on multiple occasions Harvey out pitched Strasburg.
Manfredsajoke
He should go try Asia out along with Puig.
driftcat28 2
Tbh I’m all for the yankees giving Harvey a spring invite l/non guarantee deal or minor league deal – who knows he could surprise
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
Is there going to be any such thing as a new minor league deal that gets signed this year?
lowtalker1
When the marlins Os and royal don’t want you… you know your career is just about over
jeterleader
yeah exactly
God's Other Son
He probably could get a job pitching for the Long Island Ducks.
MarlinsFanBase
When you can’t even find a job in one of the other international leagues, your career is done.
dennis63480
The Braves are good at picking up a pitcher who all of a sudden remembers how to pitch.
MarlinsFanBase
Yeah, but those guys usually have something in them.
Would you really compare a guy like Matt Harvey to guys like Anibal Sanchez, Russ Ortiz, Denny Neagle, etc.? Those were character guys; not head cases or prima donnas like Harvey.
kreckert
When an immature person feels the need to tell you he’s matured, chances are he hasn’t.
wordonthestreet
Not necessarily
Halo11Fan
The Angels ate six million to get rid of him.
What a difference a year makes. A year ago, he was wanted by several teams and took a one year deal because he thought he could renew his career.
In a way he did renew his career, he’s now an ex-baseball player.
jeterleader
unless Mariners, Marlins sign him it’s not gonna happen
Michael Birks
With baseball finances the way they are, I think he will have several offers for the bullpen provided his ramp up to the season is successful
God's Other Son
He’ll probably end up pitching in the Atlantic League or something.
If he can work his way back to affiliated baseball from there, more power to him. But it looks like that’s going to be his only shot.
MarlinsFanBase
Marlins ain’t interested unless he shows something or is willing to go to the bullpen. Even then, I doubt Jeter, Mattingly and MJ want Harvey’s personality around.
BTW, we have a staff to give opportunities to. We are currently looking at Caleb Smith, Sandy Alcantara, Jose Urena, Jordan Yamammoto, Pablo Lopez, Robert Duggar, Eliezer Hernandez, and waiting to see when Sixto Sanchez, Edward Cabrera, and a few others are ready. Harvey serves no real purpose here.
Vizionaire
no! just no!
SG
Boston may be interested if it looks like he can pitch and the price is right?
But he has to impress in bullpen sessions.
Expect only a minimum deal if any.
Michael Birks
If he’s healthy I think he could help the bullpen
cpdpoet
Shattered career….
Hopefully he accepts a transition to the bullpen/swing slot…?
He can still make millions, but if he insists on a starter role….he’s out of luck…Either way, wish him luck.
Michael Birks
I’d love to see Boston take a flyer on him
Michael Birks
****as a bullpen arm***
God's Other Son
It’s more likely he ends up on the Long Island Ducks
HalosHeavenJJ
I also saw him throw bullpens and live BP last year as an Angel. Some of the bombs he gave up landed in record territory.
Joggin’George
His ability to pitch has been destroyed by injury. It sucks but it’s true
Angels & NL West
Kind of feels like a money grab. Having said that, if I’m 31 and had his pre surgery stuff and currently have some life on my fastball, I would believe I still have some gas in the tank.
This will be an all-timer of a comeback if this works but having watched him last year, I don’t see it.
If any team feels compelled, I suggest a minor league contract and bullpen role in low leverage situations never to exceed one inning. Perhaps a team that has had success reviving careers via statistical analysis.
hOsEbEeLiOn
Some guys just need to realize their careers as starters are over.
Pitching out of the pen isn’t the worst job in the world and many former starters turned elite relievers have made great careers out of it.
Andrew Miller, Brad Hand, Ian Kennedy has found decent success recently, Drew Pomeranz, Matt Strahm, Francisco Rodriguez, Joe Nathan, and many more.
Orioles should try him out as a low cost relief pitcher. 2 years, team option for 2nd year. 4 mill.
He pitches great they trade him for a wild card prospect or two. He busts it’s 4 mill.
prov356
After seeing Harvey pitch for the Angels last year, I don’t see it happening for him. He should talk to Tim Lincecum for advice on how to accept retirement without officially retiring.
MarlinsFanBase
Lincecum isn’t the right guy. Harvey doesn’t have Lincecum’s trophy case, so it was easy for Lincecum to walk away. Harvey has nothing on that trophy case.
prov356
I was trying my hand at some Lincecum humor. I’ll work on it.
Everest
Ace? Of what being the most overrated pitcher in the league? Can’t wait to see him in the independent league.
MarlinsFanBase
4 out of the 5 guys on that pitching staff was overrated.
didi gregorious nose
Man u have a hard on the mets jeez guy take a breather must u reply to everything? Go to your lame Marlins posts jeez.
Rsox
Perhaps some humility has done Harvey some good. Lots of starters find a second life as a reliever so it could work out well for Harvey if given the chance
AA_Cardinals
Every team should give Harvey an invite to whatever training happens this year. Puig too! What do teams have to lose? maybe catch lightning in a bottle for a few weeks. This season will be a sprint. Each team will need passionate hard chargers who want to go all out. Puig only plays at 100% and Harvey should have a chip on his shoulder the size of NYC, You tell me the Pirates, Mariners, Giants, even STL couldn’t use a healthy arm and wicked bat in the line up? Everyone should take a look at these two guys. Its negligent to pass over them.
spooky
It’s the players personalities that hang over these guys. When production slips then no one wants to deal with guys like them. Not worth the headache
1738hotlinebling
Maybe he should go play in the KBO , this dude lived long enough to see himself become the villain
Briffle2
Hahahhah
lettersandnumbersonly
does his maturity off the field have anything to do with the bars being closed for the last couple months?
spooky
31 yr old arrogant pitcher with a fading fastball and a recent track record of below average production is a hard no.