4:55PM: The Athletics are “potentially” also interested in Lynn, Morosi notes in an on-air report (Twitter link).
TODAY, 11:30AM: The Twins are also in on Lynn, hears Jon Morosi of MLB Network (via Twitter). Morosi adds that Lynn is “increasingly likely” to be moved before tomorrow’s deadline.
AUGUST 29: Count the Padres and Blue Jays among the teams to have expressed interest in Rangers starter Lance Lynn, reports Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic. With the White Sox also cited as a suitor for Lynn earlier today, the Rangers appear to have a robust market forming for their top starter, for whom they’re said to be “entertaining offers,” though that’s no guarantee that they’re determined to deal Lynn prior to Monday’s trading deadline.
Beyond the three teams named above, it seems likely that almost every pitching-needy team will inquire about Lynn, who is coveted not only because of his elite production, but because he’s not just a rental: the 33-year-old will remain under contract through next season, when he’ll be paid $8MM—by no means a steep cost for a pitcher of his caliber. Those factors could make Lynn a hotly contested name during what might otherwise be a quiet trade season.
We’ll have to see just how much the Rangers are willing to part with Lynn, but there’s no doubt they’ll command a pretty high asking price for their top arm. Still, if there are teams who can meet such an asking price, San Diego, Chicago, and Toronto are among them. All three of those teams have substantial prospect capital to pry Lynn from Texas, assuming they’re .
And one might think of that trio in similar terms: all three teams are finally seeing on-field results following years of speculative “potential.” They rely on a core of young, blossoming position players but largely lack veteran pitchers to match. As those clubs look to enter win-now mode (perhaps the Blue Jays to a lesser degree than the White Sox or Padres), Lynn would be a sensible addition to any pitching staff.
So are the Yankees and Mets
Nope not the Mets
Nope not the Yankees
Why are these separate threads?!
Several teams want Lynn.
Teams that have spoken with Indians about Clevinger say they’re looking for a deal centered around a young controllable position player. Yankees have that. Could also pivot to Lynn.
i think Lynn would be too much to give up for at this point in the rebuild for the Jays
If it costs a young catcher and a middling prospect or two, I say do it. They can afford it. And they might even be in the hunt again next season.
It’s going to cost more than that.
I imagine that Texas would start the conversation with either Simeon Woods Richardson or Jordan Groshans and probably goes up from there. Who can blame them either, robust SP trade market, probably the best pitcher available and they would have him next year. With everyone looking for SP nobody’s getting Lynn for spare parts.
Woods Richardson would be an overpay. Toronto has done an excellent job with their rebuild. They’re not going to screw up to land a playoff spot in a 60-game season. Especially when they can make the playoffs without Lynn.
I didn’t say they would or should pay it, I said that I imagine that’s where the conversation starts..
Rangers would likely want Groshans and Manoah and that’s too much too the Jays.
However Lynn is worth that just not to us ( Jays )
This is the type of trade i’d like to see in a couple yrs once a few more of our prospects have graduated to the roster. Martin/Groshans/Kirk/
Lynn is the cherry on top of a roster really in a position to challenge for the WS.
@MarkoRock68- that is way too much to give up for Mr. Lynn. Maybe half of that offer. Groshans would definitely have to be a piece.
It’s way too early to be dealing Groshans and Manoah but Lynn is worth that much, let’s see how this year goes and then we can decide what big moves we want to make
SWR is on the back end of most top 100 lists and even left off some lists. A Lynn trade will 100% bring back someone equivalent and probably someone better.
May want to cut down on the amount of lol makes you look 10.
Yea because we’re having real adult common mlbtraderumors comment section. It’s just idiots shitposting.
Lynn’s getting to much interest to cost just a couple middling prospects. The market is going to drive the price.
Fans legitimately think Texas will give up the best arm on the market for peanuts? Lol
Nope, the Rangers have Sam Huff waiting in the wings. So they won’t be trading for a catcher.
Totally agree .
Where they Jays are at with the young core coming out of a rebuild – the acquisition cost of Lynn would be way too high.
( Likely 2 of our Top Ten )
Especially with an extra year of cheap control
It’s not just about 2020, but 2021. They weren’t expecting to win in 2020 but they’ve always been planning to compete in 2021, not still be rebuilding. I’d give up Kay or Hatch and a not-top prospect for Lynn.
Rangers would likely want Kay or Hatch plus one of our top 10 . That i wouldn’t do.
Don’t touch the top ten unless its for a good young starting pitcher with 3+yrs of control (Ex. Marco Gonzales )
Get it done, Shatkins.
Best case scenario for Lynn is either being traded to the Padres, Braves or the White Sox. Worst case scenario for Lynn is being traded to anywhere near NY. Last time I checked Buffalo was considered NY. Be careful BlueJays definitely buyer beware. He’s definitely a deer in the headlights pitching here.
Toronto makes the most sense for Lynn., He and Ryu at the top of the rotation would pretty much lock up second place in the AL East, leaving the Yankees to battle the Orioles for the eighth and final playoff start. Fun season, ain’t it? Watching the Mets walk it off in Yankee Stadium was a blast.
Update: HR Ramos, Tie game!
@Cey Hey- hey cey hey, gotcha! I wish you the best of luck acquiring Lance Lynn from the Rangers. I’ll be the guy at the end of the season saying that I told you so when the Jays are playing golf or hockey back in Canada. Be careful for what you wish for. If that ends up happening we might have to start calling you the “Cry Cey Hey Kid“
@Cey Hey- hey I wanted to apologize to the BlueJays for not acknowledging them as NY’s 2nd best team this season. If you were playing in Toronto this would of never happened.
Yank4Life, I am not a Blue Jays fan. Why do you assume that I am?
Careful Yank4Life, don’t blink or we (Jays) might become NY best team 🙂
I think they are better than the mets now markorock. Obviously one more starter would assure you are better than the Mets to be the best in ny.
Cey Hey, Yank4life just likes to pick a fight on here with anybody who says anything negative about his precious Yankees. Just ignore him. He hates that.
@Cey Hey- I’m definitely not here to fight with you please pay no attention to that chatter. To me nothing is better then a great baseball conversation. I think you like the Phillies? Was Ron Cey your favorite player?
wild bill tetley
The Jays 2nd best NY team joke was very funny. And it clearly has legs since Yanks4Life wrote it nearly a week ago.
@wild bill tetley- Lol, if the Blue Jays keep playing this well why head back to Toronto? I would just stay in Buffalo forever. It’s nice to see the 2nd best team in NY playing well. Hopefully they can keep it up, and thank you!
@MarkoRock68- ok thanks for the heads up. I promise I won’t blink so the Jays don’t become NY’s best team. Lol! But if you guys keep playing like this, why ever go back to Toronto? I would just stay in Buffalo forever. It’s nice to see you guys playing well. Best of luck the rest of the way.
@hockeyjohn- that’s just not true. You definitely starting picking on me lst. You can’t deny that. Maybe you need to start doing your homework? Especially with school starting again, tough guy. I really hope your Indians win a championship in 2048, I promise.
2 yrs too early for the Jays to make a Lynn type trade.
Amazing how a couple years can change a guys career, hey? 2 years ago Lynn was an a nightmare free agent signing by the Twins who were thrilled to dump him off on the Yankees. Now he’s the hottest thing aside from Charlize Theron
@KCJ- Lol, Not sure bro is there anything hotter then Charlize Theron? If so please let me know.
don’t care for the short hair tho
Small sample: 20 games total but he gives up less than .700 OPS against the Yankees, Sox, and Rays.
As a Jays fan, that doesn’t read like a deer in the headlights from here ….
Lynn pitched worse in Minnesota the same year he pitched for NYY. The production he gave the Yankees is right in line with what he did before and after his time with the Yankees. My friend, this is a false narrative that the stats disprove.
I was wrong wrong about Lynn’s stats being worse after the Yankees. But look at his stats in line.
2018 He pitched in 20 games for 102 innings with a 5.10 ERA. For the Yankees he pitched in 11 games and had a 4.14 ERA. He was BETTER for the Yankees than he was the Twins.
Let me rephrase that: When a pitcher has a track record of good, if not excellent, performance against a particular teams’ arguably, three toughest and most frequently played opponents, it would make sense for that team to consider acquiring that pitcher.
That he didn’t pitch great FOR the Yankees doesn’t bother me in the slightest.
*You and I have a distinctly different definition of “friend”
He is a mid-rotation ar who had an ERA of 4.77 just two years ago. Good year in 2019, fast start in 2020. But over 162 games, he would likely find a normal level far-removed from his current 1.59. Teams know this, the Rangers included. No one is surrendering a premier prospect for a 33-year-old mid-rotation starter.
Lynn had a 2.17 fielding independent ERA for the Yanks in 2018. Yank ballpark and defense won’t help him but he’d definitely be an upgrade.
That was two years ago, Cey Hey. He was a top 10 pitcher last year and is a top 10 pitcher this year. Looks like a bidding war brewing. The Rangers should get at least one really good prospect.
Yes they will, and more than 1.
@SalaryCapMyth- hey my friend it’s getting to a point where the Yankees might take Lance Lynn back for Miguel Andujar, Luis Gil, and Mike King just to trade him elsewhere. I wouldn’t be surprised if this happens. Unless they feel that Lynn can pitch in NY now? Which could be possible. I just don’t see the Yankees trading Deivi Garcia unless Trevor Bauer is involved. Bauer is definitely the Yankees preference over Cleveland Clevinger, Dan Plesac’s favorite nephew Zach or Michael Lance Lynn. It remains to be seen what will happen.
@Cey Hey- not so sure but the Yankees could surrender Miguel Andujar, Luis Gil, and Michael King just to move Lynn elsewhere. The Braves would definitely not be out of the question for Lynn if they don’t come way with a Clevinger, Matthew Boyd or a Marco Gonzales who is said to be available now.
Don’t bring logic and stats to his argument!
And before that he had 3.28 ERA and 1.28 WHIP before he got hurt. Had a sub par season in 2018 and 2019/2020 he returned to his old self. So yes, teams will over pay for a 33 year pitcher signed until 2021 @ $8mil.
Yankees tried using Lynn in bullpen for playoffs, he had a clean 2ip game and got shelled in a game that Severino was also shelled.
Last time as a visitor against the Yankees, he got shelled.
Last time as a visitor against the Mets, he pitched great.
Prior to becoming a Yankee, Sabathia couldn’t pitch in NY.
Hoping you are 12 years old.
If it’s just how you act, I’m hoping you somehow enjoy yourself nevertheless.
Rangers29, what do you think about the Padres interest? You said that the Braves would make a good fit because they have a good farm system. Same apply here with the Padres?
I like the Padres farm, but if we trade with them it would be for pitchers. We don’t need any catchers with Huff and Trevino looking to lock that up as soon as next season. I would hate trading for the pitchers from the Padres though, I think they look good. But alas, we need offense, and hopefully an outfielder (Clint Frazier) or a second basemen to move Solak to left field (Madrigal).
IKF is really the one who needs to be playing 2B every day. And Odor has that awful extension making him untradeable.
So I would say anywhere on the field except 2B is where Texas needs to focus on improving the offense. C Huff and 3B Jung are probably another year or two away.
In terms of priority needs, the OF needs a complete makeover and TORP for the rotation, because if Lynn and Minor go, things will be even bleaker next year. But let’s be honest, we are now where Detroit was three or four years ago. Its going to be a rebuild with no quick fixes.
Lynn should, at the very least, fetch 2-3 significant MLB ready prospects. If not, we hold, and at least we would get another season of Lynn plus a valuable compensatory draft pick when he departs. (Which Kip Fagg and JD will waste, but maybe they are on borrowed time.)
We have a CF (Taveras), Gallo, and Solak to play the OF. I hardly think a make over is needed.
What would Texas fans expect/think they could get from the Padres in exchange for Lynn?
@Javia- The Cuban lefty Adrian Morejon? Or Cal Quantril? The Padres are so stacked with prospects they wouldn’t be hurt at all getting Lynn.
They seem to be looking for a lot more than that. Even though young left-handed starting pitchers who consistently hit 98 are incredibly valuable.
Texas fans? What would it take?
Braves and Padres have excellent top prospects, but Lynn won’t be fetching those kinds of players.
Yes he can. More than the return for Stroman last year IMO. He’s had great seasons in the past, and last year came back to his great form, and now this season he looks unstoppable. We will get a good return.
I think thats a pretty fair assessment. Stroman didn’t return a top 100 guy, but he did get like the #4 and #6 guys in the Mets system at the time.
Thats probably pretty similar to what Lynn would fetch, maybe with another lotto ticket type guy or role player added in.
No he won’t. They’d tell him to F off and if they did make a trade like this. The entire bases for either team would call for the gms head
when you have 7 diff teams all “checking in” on your ace….your better dam well believe Texas is going to get some top prospects for him. they have all the leverage.
Wait and see. No smart GM is going to surrender top prospects for a 33-year-old pitcher. The Rangers have no leverage as they will be rebuilding for the remainder of Lynn’s contract., How exactly would not trading him help them? Btw, the Jays robbed the Mets blind in the Stroman deal. Keep in mind who the Mets’ general manager is. Would you consider him to be a smart GM?
Teams will bow out of trading for a guy who just might balloon to 500 pounds in ghe offseason.
He’ll fetch those types of prospects or you won’t get him.
I think SD also makes sense for Choo to put in at DH and strengthen the bottom of their lineup. With this being his walk year, he could be had for next to nothing.
Choo has huge negative value on that contract. Only way that works in this market is if the Rangers send enough money to make it so the team accepting him is only paying like league minimum, otherwise he’s impossible to move.
he is on an expiring contract in a prorated season.
Tatis for Lynn and Frazier
Done…no takesbacksies. I’ll call JD.
Would you Gore and Patino with that?
I’m not a huge fan of this for the Padres. Lynn is going to cost a lot of player capital to acquire because he’s so cheap for his production. SD already has a lot of young cheap controllable pitching in house, so I don’t think this is where they need to be upgrading.
Maybe I’m being overly optimistic about their future rotation, but I’d rather the Padres start Patino, Gore, Morejon etc… and have them get some growth out of it. The Padres window is just opening up, and even if those guys struggle some I would rather they work their way into the rotation now in this short season so that 2021-2023 they’re firing on all cylinders.
If SD wants to add rental relievers with a cheaper prospect acquisition cost I think that strikes a good balance between competing now and later. The only way I would sacrifice a lot of prospect capital would be for a controllable catcher or for someone like Whit Merrifield who’s versatile. Other than that, they should just stay the course on the rebuild since its just starting to show returns.
No one will be trading top prospects for Lance Lynn. The Rangers surely know this.
I’m not saying that he’s going to cost top 100 prospects, but he was a 7 WAR pitcher last year who’s a cy young candidate this year and is controllable next year with only $9M due, so its not like you can just acquire Lynn for spare parts and lotto ticket prospects.
If teams want to acquire him they’re going to have to give up something of value and I’d rather the Padres not do that because they’ve got a lot of guys ranked 5-30 in their system who have a ton of potential and Gore/Patino could start now if needed so its not a huge area of need for them.
Why would they not? In the last two years, he’s second in pitcher fWAR to just Jacob deGrom, he has a way better ERA and FIP than Patrick Corbin, has a 28.2% K rate, 7% walk rate, his xFIP and SIERA are both better than Trevor Bauer’s, and has given up less home runs on average than Max Scherzer. If Bauer can bring in a top 70 prospect, and Marcus Stroman can bring in a top 75 prospect, then Lynn, who’s been better than both of them, especially Stroman, should be able to bring back at least one, top 50-100 guy based on that alone. Oh yea, and his team option is for less than $10 million. whereas both Bauer and Stroman were making more. If a pitcher who’s been putting up ace level-numbers the last two years, and has another year of control left for less than $10 million, and he doesn’t get back a top 100 guy, then the Rangers’ front office really screwed up.
Lynn’s ERA in 2018 was 4.77. Buyer beware. He’s no better than Marcus Stroman.
I mean look at your own examples, Stroman didn’t bring back any top 100 guys and the return on Bauer was Franmil Reyes and Logan Allen + a lotto ticket. I get that his contract is better than both of theirs, but in this shortened weird season I don’t see him getting much more than that.
Return in my mind is more likely 2-3 very good prospects outside of the top 100. I guess he could get prospect in the backend of the top 100 if the Rangers were willing to focus on getting one marquee prospect plus lesser guys instead of multiple very good prospects.
That was two years ago. I’d rather bet on hiis performance in 2019 and so far this year than what he did in 2018. Plus, in 2018, he also had a 3.84 FIP and 3.98 xFIP. Not bad numbers overall. Also, he had a 3.39 ERA, 3.67 FIP between 2012 and 2017. If you really are banking on his numbers from two years ago where he wasn’t overall a bad pitcher, and ignore what he’s done in 5 years prior to that, and what he’s done this year and last, then you’re going to find a lot of un-valuable players then.
Cey Hey has no idea what FIP and Siera are. He’s still stuck on his ERA from 2018 when Lynn was with another organization.
If you know anything about Lynn which you don’t appear to know much, you would know that beginning last year he started relying on his four seam fastball significantly more than the two seamer. That has led to significantly better results and therefore there is no real comparison from 2018 to now.
lynn is definitely better than Stroman.
I don’t think it makes much sense of any of the 3 young teams coming out of rebuilds Jays/WhiteSox/Padres.
Too soon. Too high of a price- Not like any of their competitive windows are about to close they are just now starting to open.
Padres could really use a steady starter who goes 6-7 innings every start.
Maybe more than anything else.
So don’t downplay the value Lynn would bring to us.
Texas fans on this site are talking about Lynn being worth 2-top 100 prospects. For the Padres that would mean Trammell and Campusano minimum. I have even seen them mention Abrams. Do you think he is worth that? I don’t, and I don’t think Preller does either.
Lynn definitely has value. I just don’t think that value is as much as many Texas fans on here think it is.
I have found out over the years that Jays fans really appreciate/over-appreciate their prospects. They believe they could trade any one of their catchers for an ace starter. If I were the looking to trade Lynn to Toronto, Groshans and maybe throw Kay in there too. We do not need Jansen or Reese, we have Huff coming up soon.
Funny cause over the years I’ve found Rangers fans overvalue their pitching. And really, I mean c’mon man, they’ve had probably the worst starting pitching of any team in the majors over the past decade. Lynn is not the second coming of Nolan Ryan. I’d rather see the Jays not go after Lynn. Let someone else overpay if that’s what the Rangers feel he’s worth.
Lynn and Darvish are the best 2 pitchers that we have had over the past 5 years. I don’t see any Rangers fans shouting that Colby Lewis was a Cy Young caliber guy! He was good, not great though. Which I guess should be our starting pitcher’s motto of the past decade “Good, not great”.
That being said, Lynn has been really good over the past year and a half. He’s brought his control back, he tunnels his pitches well, and he throws fastballs very often. He’s drawn comps to Maddux, and I can see it. I wouldn’t say that’s overrating him too.
Now, if you don’t want Lynn to go to Toronto, fine. Because he will command some good prospects.
The Rangers are in the early stages of a rebuild. If they don’t trade Lynn, it is a major screwup. His only value to the Rangers is in a trade. He’s already enjoyed his best part of this short season. Logic says he will return to earth and post numbers more in line with who he is: a mid-rotation starter coming off a career year. ERA of 4.77 in 2018.
And please don’t tell me you just compared Lance Lynn to Greg Maddux.
Hey Cey, I didn’t compare him to Maddux, I heard it in a broadcast and typed it into a post. Don’t kill the messenger lol. They said that because of his fastball command btw.
And look at his career. 2018 was an outlier. With the Cards he was a 2 starter, and at worst he had a high 3 era. He has been a good/great pitcher throughout his career. I’ll say it again 2018 was an outlier.
Top 5 Cy Young is also an outlier. Saying he has been “great” is a misuse of that often-misused word. Mid-rotation starter whose hot start will level off. The fact that he is starting tonight suggests nothing is happening. Now if the Rangers change courses in the next couple hours…
Btw, I was impressed by my first look at Tavares. What an inning he had: Robs Turner on defense, then legs out that infield hit to 2B, easily steals off Will Smith’s cannon arm, and scores a big run. All in the space of a few pitches. Granted I haven’t seen much, but the guy has the look of the perfect CF for that ballpark. A blur with that speed apparently has advanced baseball instincts. If I’m the rangers, I’m looking for additional up-the-middle talent in exchange for Lynn and perhaps Minor. They of course need pitching, but that is more about drafting and developing. Not many quality CFs these days. Maybe they have one. Will be interesting to see how Lynn is handled tonight. Btw, what is this thing in his contract about a bonus if he’s traded to the West Coast?
If this was 2 yrs from now i’d jump at a chance of a pitcher like Lynn with an extra yr of control for a Groshans+ Kay type package. But not this year.
We are just now on an upswing coming out of a rebuild- Too early for us.
What are you talking about? Lynn is the best arm on the market unless Clevinger is moved. How good or bad the rest of our SP has been is completely irrelevant. Pay what it takes to get an ace or move the F on and go bargain hunting in a dumpster somewhere.
I’m talking about how last year his ERA was a full run lower with Mathis than anyone else, and it’s a Mathis trend. Mathis caught him pretty much full time last year and half the time this year I’m sure his numbers will go up after he’s dealt. Someone will pay up for him but I hope it’s not my team.
I think fans of every team overvalue their own prospects, possibly out of familiarity with them. I’m a Jays fan and I think Groshans is a fair starting point for Lynn considering he’s not a rental. Adding Kay is also reasonable. Ryu, Lynn, Pearson (assuming they’re all healthy) would potentially be a really good starting 3 next year.
I mentioned in the White Sox post what a fair value for Lynn would be and its min 2x Top 100 Prospects. He’s the type of elite starter that would be the difference maker for a team on the cusp of being WS favorites.
It doesn’t matter what he did 3-4 yrs ago or what he might do 3-4 yrs from now. A team is paying for him NOW and next yr. He has elite numbers.
Lynn will blow up once he leaves Texas. Mathis shaves whole runs off the ERA/FIP of pitchers. I don’t think hes any better than Stroman last year who didn’t get any top 100 prospects. Some team will overpay I just hope it’s not the Jays. Imo good chance it ends up like the Dickey trade, elite prospects for what ends up being a mid to back end rotation piece.
What are you talking about? Mathis isn’t Lynn’s personal catcher. You have Lynn confused with Minor. In fact Chirinos caught Lynn last night.
Atkins, stop. Jays are still rebuilding.
Would love the Jays to trade for Seager for 3b and Lynn for rotation. That would settle the Infield and rotation and make them dangerous in the playoffs. And, you have them both for next year as well.
Lynn is underrated. Might be a 2 pitch guy but gets about as much as he does from his arsenal.
He is technically a two-pitch guy, (fastball-curveball), but he throws 4 different kinds of fastballs (Sinker, 4 seamer, 2 seamer, and cutter).
@Ranger29- thinking a package of Andujar, Luis Gil, and Michael King could definitely land Lance Lynn in a trade right now. Any more then that and the Yankees would likely pass.
Yankees shall be passing then…
Your best offer is:
Andujar – who you don’t want
Gil – solid prospect but 22yo and got smoked in A+ ball last season
King – a 25 yo pitcher AAAA pitcher coming off a horrendous 2019 season at 3 or 4 different levels and is no better this season?
Guess you’ll be looking for bargains then. That isn’t getting the top available arm.
More fans who don’t think their team can win it….
Lynn this season and last stats will be a better 2 year stretch than any player they get in return and he’s locked in for next season. He’s also the best player available. To not want him for a prospect who’s prob not gonna pan out means you don’t think ur team is good enough
Teams would be foolish to change their longterm strategy over a 60-game season. Also, you conveniently excluded Lynn’s 4.77 ERA in 2018 from your two-year stretch. You can bet that rival GMS have not. Lynn may not be a 4.77 guy at this point, but he’s not the 1.59 guy of his hot start either. The Rangers are rebuilding. It will take a while before they contend. So how, exactly, would not trading Lynn help them?
Rangers are not too far from contending… we lost Kluber and LeClerc which killed us this season. not to mention Joeh Gallo is underpreforming Santana has been hurt all year Elvis hasn’t been healthy. Rangers are closer than most think but have been decimated by injuries.
Anyone who doesn’t think attaining Lynn will cost a top prospect or even 2 is just delusional. No team is going to get Lynn for a package of some scrub specs. Lynn is the best pitcher on the market and has a strong track record over the last two seasons not to mention he is cheap and controllable next season. So get real with your over valuing of your team’s prospects because if a team wants Lynn they are going to have to give up some top talent.
Lynn’s last two seasons include a 4.77 ERA is 2018. So much for that track record.
His only BAD stretch was with the twins, did you bother looking at ANY other years of performance? Guy has a career ERA of 3.52. Was mediocre with the Yankees with 4.14 but had 3.67 last year with the Rangers and is dominating this year with 1.59……so yes go ahead and pick out the ONE BAD stretch he had
His bad stretch was recent. No smart GM is going to surrender a top prospect (and all those years of control) for a 33-year-old mid-rotation starter whose body makes Bartolo Colon look like Charles Atlas. This will be proven by the trade deadline. If the Rangers don’t trade him, they will not only slow their rebuild but will still stink. Hanging onto Lynn would be stupid.
Thank you, common sense goes a long way
My first guess is a guy like morejon for lynn. Though morejon is scheduled to start tonight.
I agree that the value there lines up, but I don’t see Preller dealing Morejon in nearly any deal outside of a Clevinger type impact player. Big ol’ man crush on him, and for good reason. Injury problems, sure, but the guys filthy.
Doesn’t mean Lineup Card has been giving to Umpires and Lynn and Morejon could be not in them.
Morejon was put on the il list today. Padres optimistic he will be back in a couple of days. Maybe covid related.
@Simodine- if the Padres offer Adrian Morejon a lefty throwing fastball’s in the mid to high 90’s according to @Javia- my guess Is Lynn Is definitely going to San Diego.
Lynn to the Padres for Michel Baez, Joey Cantillo, Tucupita Marcano and Tirso Ornelas,
Word is that the Padres have shifted their attention to the Angels’ Dylan Bundy. The fact that Lynn is starting tonight suggests that no trade involving him is imminent. It looks like the Rangers will stink for the remainder of Lynn’s contract and get nothing in return. Not the best way to engineer a rebuild.
that is not true at all. Rangers pitched dervish the day before the deadline.
Daniels wills screw this up.
With two days to go until the deadline, they’re starting Lynn tonight against the best team in MLB instead of holding him out for a potential trade.
wild bill tetley
For a short stint with Lynn. This means the Blue Jays must go hard this offseason to address the other needs. Stack the chips. Capitalize on what could be a vulnerable AL East next year.
I agree with you on this Bill.
The only way i can see the Jays giving up the prospect capital to get Lynn.
Already have ownership approval to go hard after a big difference making bat like Realmuto in the offseason plus another Pitcher ,
Otherwise i wouldn’t want them to give up any of our Top 10 for anyone unless they are Pre-Arb or on a Team friendly contract.
( 3 + yrs of control )
Lynn and then jt and Bauer in the offseason…wow.
Lynn/Bauer/Ryu/Pearson that’s a wild looking top 4.
Add Realmuto to the Jays lineup.
Our pen is young and controllable other then Giles . Sign him for a short term 8-10 million per.
We could do it and still keep salary in the 160-170 range .
Doubt our ownership would have the stones for it but. one can dream:)
Don’t you think that’s a bit far fetched, we still have to make the playoffs, they barely won last nights game thanks to grichuk, but I would like to see them go after Bauer in the offseason him and Ryu are the 1/2 punch the pitching needs.
Read the context of the full conversation thread.
We were talking about the only way it makes sense to trade for Lynn this year was if they had plans and approval to make a real big splash or 2 in the off-season.
Not that it was likely.
I think we are 2 yrs out from Lynn type trade.
wild bill tetley
If the Jays are considering Lynn, JaysFan, then it’s all-in. Absolutely all in.
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Marco I agree; I am not one to push for Lynn, only because he’s a free agent too soon.
This might be so far fetched but I’m saying it anyway; I was hoping Colorado would free fall to a sell mode, Jays go hard for Arenado, take Blackmon’s salary and Jon Gray (with Arenado agreeing w/ a no trade clause). Like I said, far fetched.
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Marco, Rogers better be prepared to spend that much and then climb to 190-200 when the core reach arbitration. By then the luxury threshold will rise.
I think big picture we think the same.
Back in 2013-15 we had an aging core. blew our prospect capital in the Marlins/Mets/Price/Tulo trades for a 2 yr window.
Now we have a young core , a really good farm and what should be the financial clout to have a 4-5+ yr window if done right,
I agree push it too 160-170 and then leave enough room for one last splash as the final piece.
The big uncertainty is going to be to what extent fans will be at games next year and how that will impact revenue. Well that and the CBA .
Another twist, aren’t Aitkens /Shapiro’s contracts up this fall?
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Didn’t they sign an extension late last season? Might be mistaken on the length.
Yes the big difference between AA and this regime was the scouting and development, which could be blamed on Ricciardi firing Ash/Gillick guys in 2002. I knew a couple ex-scouts and they were not fond of Ricciardi. We saw how well the drafting and development was. Shoutout to Keith Law also.
Your point on uncertainty is true, and the perfect excuse for Rogers not to jump head first. I believe you alluded to that in a previous post. If any owner could weather that storm, it theoretically should be Rogers.
From what i can find Aitkens was extended in 2019 for 2 yrs through the 21 season. Shapiro is up this year- can’t find anything on a extension.
Yea I agree, we have the youth to push all in, I think it would be surprising and really good if the jays moved there spending to 160-170 not only does provide a 4-5 year window for contention it also provides time for the youth to grow and develop and this way we would have replenishing talent and hopefully become a contending team for years to come, but then again this is Toronto so the chance of this happening is probably pretty low
Remember the Stanton trade.
Teams will move a huge salary much easier than we could ever imagine.
Fingers, toes crossed on that Arenado thought.
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Arenado idea isn’t happening. Colorado decided they were in win-now mode with the Givens trade. They are playing bad baseball after a great 11-3 start and they are delusional to think they can do anything this year.
Why is that every year, you guys speculate it will take a crazy overpay package of prospects for a veteran? Those days have been over for years, watch Lynn get traded for an underwhelming prospect package
Stroman last yr got 2 Top Ten prospects .
Stroman was a #2 or a #3 on a good staff.
Lynn is a Legit #1 so it’s going to take Min 2x Top Ten from a team with a top ranked farm.
Lynn’s results last yr and this yr is a large enough sample size to make it a highly likely outcome that he will continue to post elite numbers over the next 14 months.
As a Rangers fan, I hope your right…we need a ton of help
Wonder if two of Eric Pardinho (RHP), Orelvis Martinez (SS) and/or Gabriel Moreno (C) would get it done for Lynn?
It might, both Martinez and Moreno are in the Jays Top 10 Prospects and Pardinho was as well before the Tommy John.
I still think it’s a yr or 2 too early to cash in prospect chips that high.
Let’s not touch our top 10-15 unless it involved a young pitcher with 3+ yrs of control
I’d prefer they look around for a Walker type deal. Or take on a bad contract to lessen the prospect expenditure.
It’s my feeling that if there had been a Milb season both Moreno and Martinez would be making alot of noise and climbing prospect rankings real fast into the Top 100
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Luciano, Charlie Montoyo and a PTBNL.
Someone is gonna pay more than they should for him. Especially when non World Series contender start getting seriously involved. I mean, some of these teams might not even make the playoffs in a year when a lot of teams will make the playoffs lol
Lynn for Groshans and Perez
He certainly looks filled out in the pic. Don’t remember him ever being that big …
@pappyvw- yeah I thought he was David Wells at lst. Lol!
Yeah, he is on the mound right now vs. the Trolley Dodgers….full beard. Looks like Grizzly Adams.
@toooldtocare- Oh dearest Jesus ain’t no way he’s pitching for the Yankees looking like that. He couldn’t even be a janitor working at Yankee Stadium with that patchy beard.
@Yank4Life-Even last season when they were in the old in air conditioned ballpark, on his off days, he was seen in the bench in a full hoodie when it was a 110 degrees in the shade in Texas. He might be a taco or two shy of a combo platter.
*non air conditioned
Overpay the Rangers or don’t bother contacting them. Lynn is top shelf–good quality with a fair contract, go talk to other teams if you can’t afford him.
Keeping him would only slow down the Rangers’ rebuild. His only value to him is as a trade chip. For this reason, they MUST trade him.
Not if the price isn’t right. We have lots of young arms coming up and it is nice to have a veteran atop the rotation for those guys to watch. No reason to trade him, he isn’t really costing us anything.
Lynn has an interesting clause in his contract. He won’t accept a trade to any team that doesn’t have a Denny’s within 25 miles of the ballpark.
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Closest Denny’s is 33 miles from the park.
@wild bill tetley- Lol! I guess this explains why he has the Joba-the-hut look right now.
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I legit looked it up and converted km to miles. Lynn would have to settle for Sunset Grill (a Canadian breakfast chain).
@Cey Hey- I can see that clause in his contract, he can go to Denny’s only on his non-pitching days. Lynn will have to walk there though if it’s within the 25 miles of the ballpark. I’m happy because it’s looking more & more like he’s not coming to the Yankees everyday. He did get hard a little yesterday by a team that is probably going to the World Series. No shame in that.
Jays are good. There are four Denny’s close to Sahlen Field in Buffalo and one ten minutes from Rogers Centre in Toronto…
Hope this Denny’s comment is true. Hahahah.
Hadn’t seen him pitch a lot, but he looks like a mountain of a man this year. David Wells comment above is exactly the thought I had a few weeks back… when did Wellsy start pitching righty?
Jays get outta there! Not the time to be making win now moves.
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I don’t disagree Diggy. However, if Lynn is picked up there is no more nickel and diming the positions of need. With the Yankees injury issues they’ve opened the door for the Jays to walk through.
I still think the Braves make the most sense, I can’t see the Twins going down that road again with him. I also don’t think the Padres or Blue Jays are quite at the win now window to be giving up top prospects unless they are mainly looking at next year. Could probably throw the White Sox in with the padres and jays as well. I could see a team like the cubs coming in and making a big offer as their window is starting close.
Anything can happen in the playoffs, but yeah, as a White Sox fan, I’d rather they wait til next year before making moves like this. They’ll be more experienced, hopefully healthier, and Kopech will be back. No need to rush into anything.
Padres are definitely a win now team now.
Another team that I thought might be in: the Rays. Morton has been injured, Glasnow is mortal this year more often than not, and I don’t know if anybody is certain about Snell. Tampa has middle infield strength in their system. And if not for the recent injuries they could also include a MLB bullpen piece. No rules say the offers have to be all prospects. Texas would welcome a young MLB piece, right? Lynn’s contract should be affordable enough to get the Rays interested..
Please don’t do this Falvey.
Going to be so mad if the Twins trade for him and give up a really good prospect(s) after they traded him to the Yankees for nothing!
I want Lynn for my beer league, I’ve got a shed full of stuff to trade
For what his salary is and his production, JD has a right to ask for AND get a haul.
None of this Willie Calhoun type return – top notch prospects or just keep Lynn.
One team you don’t hear much abut , who it might make sense to go after Lynn. Houston.
With them potentially losing so many guys to FA,
they are in WIN now mode.
(another kick at he can – couldn’t help myself ! )
They could always flip Lynn again in the off season to recoup some of the prospect capital.
If the A’s get Lynn it’s game over.
Too late, the A’s got Covid, it’s already game over.