11:11AM: The White Sox also have interest in Angels righty Dylan Bundy, Morosi tweets.
10:24AM: The White Sox are looking into the starting pitching market, with MLB Network’s Jon Morosi reporting that Rangers ace Lance Lynn is under consideration, while MLB Network’s Jon Heyman adds that Diamondbacks left-hander Robbie Ray has also been discussed (both links to Twitter).
As MLBTR’s Steve Adams and Connor Byrne recently put it, “Lynn is arguably the most coveted arm on the trade market.” The right-hander has a 1.59 ERA, 9.9 K/9, and 3.57 K/BB rate through 45 1/3 innings this season, and while advanced metrics hint at some inevitable ERA regression, those same numbers suggest Lynn is pitching at roughly the same level as he did in 2019, when he finished fifth in AL Cy Young Award voting.
Beyond only his performance this season, Lynn is under contract for an $8MM salary in 2021, which stands as a more than reasonable price if he keeps pitching this well. As big a trade chip as Lynn is, however, his pluses also make him a valuable asset to the Rangers, who are at least open to hearing offers for Lynn but maybe not likely to actually move him unless another team steps up with a big trade package.
It’s probably safe to assume that Ray is much more available, though the southpaw’s value has dramatically dropped off in the wake of a brutal start to the 2020 season. Control issues and the home run ball have plagued Ray, who has a 7.84 ERA and 31 walks over 31 innings, despite a 12.5 K/9. Despite Ray’s struggles, he has drawn interest from the Astros and other teams, with some clubs reportedly interested in deploying Ray as a reliever.
The White Sox have gotten very good results from Lucas Giolito, Dylan Cease, and Dallas Keuchel this season, but much less from a fourth/fifth starter mix that includes Gio Gonzalez, Reynaldo Lopez, and the injured Carlos Rodon. The league-wide perception, as least according to rival executives speaking with MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand, is that the Pale Hose will land a starter prior to Monday’s trade deadline. The bullpen has been a strength overall, though it is short on left-handed pitchers (such as Ray) since Aaron Bummer is still on the injured list.
Acquiring Ray would be a pure short-term rental move, since he is a free agent after the year. Prying Lynn away from Texas would cost the Sox quite a bit more in prospect capital, though it’s worth noting that the White Sox and Rangers have been rather frequent trading partners since Rick Hahn became Chicago’s general manager. The White Sox are firmly in the playoff race this year and plan to be contenders for the foreseeable future, so Lynn is the type of pitcher that would also boost their chances of winning in 2021.
ChiSox_Fan
Go get Lynn.
Make Lopez part of the package to Rangers.
Dalton1017
I would take Dunning over Lopez. but would still need quite a bit more
ChiSox_Fan
You can’t have Dunning.
But I will add Rodon to Lopez.
Dalton1017
if you don’t think Lynn is worth your teams 8th best prospect you need to lay off the pipe
ChiSox_Fan
Lynn getting old.
Sox not giving up the farm for 1+ seasons.
Dalton1017
Lynn is plenty young enough for him to have fantastic trade value. and giving up Dunning is far from giving up the farm.
RootedInOakland
Lol not sure how old u are but that’s not how deadline deals work when a team is trying to build a World Series roster, when u have a window like the white Sox do with the cheap young core of hitters u gotta overpay on trades/free agency in order to supplement them with quality pitching. Anyways if I’m Texas I’d pair Lynn with some RP like Montero and I’m forcing y’all to part with Vaughn or Kopech if u want 1.5 seasons of a current top 5 pitcher in the MLB plus a decent RP, that’s how the league works
ChiSox_Fan
Not happening.
Sox can still start Dunning or Gonzalez or Foster or Detwiler and have Kopech and Vaughn for the next decade.
Sox need NO relief pitchers.
ChiSox_Fan
Adding Burger to package.
SS Hitmen
Yeah dude, the league works the way where you give up 6 years of someone that very well may be better for a longer amount of time for 1.5 years of an aging Lance Lynn and a relief pitcher you don’t need! I almost forgot about that. Package of Steiver + Adolfo btw.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Nope
SS Hitmen
Looks like they’re trading with the Braves then!
johnrealtime
These guys are right Chisox. Rodon is a failed prospect at this point and Lopez has been pretty far below average for two years. You aren’t going to get one of the hottest available arms for the scraps that you don’t even want anymore. It sucks giving up your prospects but that’s how you outbid other teams for a limited resource
Orel Saxhiser
Except the White Sox don’t “need” Lynn while the Rangers need to trade him while he is at maximum value. No one is going to give top prospects for a 33-year-old pitcher. Yes, Lynn has had a nice recent run, but let’s not exaggerate his true value. Prior to last season’s 3.67 ERA, he had a terrible year of 4.77 while splitting time between the Ya level off to something approximating his career numbers. Lynn has value as a mid-rotation arm but is clearly not an ace. And if the rebuilding Rangers don’t trade him now, they will regret the drop in value when he comes back to earth.
ChiSox_Fan
Sox don’t need Lynn, but would be a nice luxury item like their new pinch runner.
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
The Sox haven’t made the playoffs in a minute. It’s understandable that you can’t fathom winning teams make moves to improve their current roster.
AssumesFactNotInEvidence
With cheese and bacon I hope…
Javia
With quality free agents costing $15-$40 million per year, prospects are more valuable than ever. So trade deadline deals are different now. No team is going to give up multiple top prospects for an old guy with 1 year of control unless he is the last piece to put them over the top. Lynn is not that for the White Sox.
Chi Town Hype
Are teams 8th best prospect would probably be your teams BEST prospect
Chi Town Hype
you still mad about the Cease/ Jimenez trade? lmao
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Yeesh. It’s ‘our,’ not ‘are.’ Second, no, the White Sox have a top-heavy system. Kopech, Vaughn, and Madrigal are all excellent prospects. Then there’s a noticeable dropoff to their next tier of a few good prospects, only one of whom (Dunning) is MLB-ready. After that, it’s another sharp dropoff. to the third-tier. Don’t be like Yankee fans, who think any of their top 10 guys could land anybody from any other team. It makes the rest of us look like idiots by association.
Dogbone
Chisox definitely aren’t use to being in a position where they are fighting for a playoff spot. So how in the world would their fans know how to deal with that?
It’s been about 10 years since they’ve been .500.
Idioms for Idiots
No
Priggs89
The Sox have a ~98% chance of making the playoffs. They aren’t “fighting” for anything right now.
You’re right though – the Sox aren’t used to being in this spot. They aren’t used to mortgaging the future for hopes of a 1 year dynasty. Maybe Hahn can call Theo and get some advice.
madmanTX
Then go look somewhere else and shut up.
Lovinmlb
When I see his posts I always think of the waterboy calling captain insano.
I think Sox need another top starter. They will make playoffs no matter what. Lynn won’t be cheap. A elite prospect or 2 high upside guys.
ChiSox_Fan
Ray and Bundy are “red herrings”!
Lynn starting for Sox next week vs. Twins!
SilvioDante
I’m good w Lopez and Collins for Lynn, who takes the bump for the Sox on Wednesday vs Twins!
ABCD
The Rangers aren’t.
SS Hitmen
SchwarbersMom is basing all of his opinions off of terrible Theos Q trade (who had 3 more years of control than Lynn did at a much younger age) can’t tell if he’s just baiting or he’s actually that smooth brained. Steiver and Adolfo get it done. Cubs fan so makes sense he doesn’t know much.
ABCD
Q had tremendous trade surplus value three years ago. Just be happy Eloy and maybe Cease are working out for you.
It would take Stiever, Adolfo, Dunning, and another low-level prospect and the Rangers could still find another deal elsewhere.
SS Hitmen
See, but you’re wrong. If you think it takes and MLB ready talent with 6 years of control, two prospects with high upside for an aging Lance Lynn whose peripherals suggest he would be a #3 in our rotation and has had two career years in a row, you’re not very bright.
chitown311
Don’t listen to him SS. He would give Schwarber MVP votes with his 6.0 WAR in 5 seasons LMAO
ABCD
Yeah but those career years are happening right now and it doesn’t matter whether you think he’s a #3 on the White Sox based on FIP for seven starts in 2020. He’s the equal of Giolito right now and definitely better than Keuchel..
As for the prospects, none of those guys are Kopech, Madrigal, nor Vaughn. So what are you worried about?
Javia
If the trade does happen, it is going to be somewhere between what Texas fans WANT and what Sox fans WANT TO GIVE UP. Texas fans will get less than they think he is worth and Sox fans will give up more than they want. THAT is how trades work. Nobody walks away happy.
ABCD
chitown, we don’t care about the MVP votes. We just care about the WS ring that flashes a blinding light into your Cub-hating Sox fan eyes.
chitown311
I love how obsessed you are with the White Sox. I hope you enjoyed your WS a half decade ago and the shortest dynasty in the history of sports!
ABCD
Yes I enjoyed 2016; pure joy!
Where on this site have I dissed the White Sox? Find me a comment.
Where on this site have you dissed the Cubs? Adams almost deleted you a few months ago and you kissed his butt by commenting “Go Cubs”. Pathetic.
chitown311
You are literally commenting on a thread about the White Sox right now. Shouldn’t you be watching Javi striking out 5 times again instead of obsessing of the most talented team in Chicago? Cubs fans are the biggest clowns in baseball
ABCD
I’m not allowed to comment on other teams’ threads? I was commenting on the trade value of Lance Lynn. Not only here, but on the later thread as well.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
@SilvioDante, lol! I’m sure you would be. I’d like that, too. Clear up C a little and get rid of Lopez for 1.5 years of a really good pitcher? Rangers would be laughing too hard to hang up.
chitown311
K.
Priggs89
“He’s the equal of Giolito right now and definitely better than Keuchel..”
Have you seen Keuchel pitch this year? Or are you just basing that off his shortened 2019 season where he didn’t have a spring training and sat out a third of the year? He still has it, if you haven’t been watching.
ABCD
Keuchel’s good and he’s earning his salary, but Lynn is definitely better, now and over their careers.
Priggs89
You were correct on the first part
tsc32
@Javia – While you typically may be right, Texas really doesn’t want to sell. So any team that wants Lynn is going to have to offer a big package. Offering up table scraps and barely top 10 organization prospects like I’ve seen some fans here doing isn’t going to cut it. He’s the best arm available, has another year of control, and is a great clubhouse guy. Pay up or move on.
tsc32
You talking Reynaldo Lopez? The 26yo with a career ERA near 5? He can be in the deal, sure. But not as the headliner.
tigersfan81
Dane Dunning deserves another look before they should start trading. He was pretty impressive in his debut, minus the 3 run homer.
Prospectnvstr
On the other hand, you have to GIVE something (decent) up since you’re getting Lynn for next year as well. Dunning,1 top 20 & 1 lower level guy could do the trick.
Aaron Sapoznik
Dane Dunning could very well be the White Sox starting pitcher versus the Royals on Sunday. They currently have it open as a TBD. It would be on his normal schedule having made his MLB debut versus the Tigers on Wednesday, August 19th before being optioned out the next day so he could continue working his normal routine at the White Sox alternate site with the team having two off days this past week and no need for a 5th starter until tomorrow. With the trade deadline looming at 3pm CT Monday a Sunday Dunning start could become even more intriguing if he is indeed a target of the Rangers for Lance Lynn or the Angels for Dylan Bundy.
realsox
AaronS: you get my vote for the most consistently informed and insightful commentator on this sight. And I noticed you were absent for a good stretch of time, so I’m glad to see that relatively recently you’ve returned.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I’m really hoping they don’t trade Dunning for Bundy. For Lynn, I could accept and understand it, but I think the Sox would be better served to wait until the offseason or deadline next year and get a starter then to maximize their true window, when Kopech is back and the team is more experienced and hopefully healthier.
Lovinmlb
Their window is now. Young guys are hitting and they have plenty of 30 year olds who can decline any year. A window can close fast. Min Cle aren’t going away and Det Kc aren’t going to stink anymore. They have a good chance. Don’t over pay, but if the right deal happens then make it. I would never trade away someone I feel is a stud, but maybe you find a gm that has a different opinion than you do and you can make a deal.
Priggs89
They don’t really have that many 30 year olds who can decline…
They have one at 1B that’ll eventually decline, but he’s absolutely raking right now. Plus, their best prospect plays there and likely isn’t far off. They have one at C that should be fine for a couple more years. They have one as their #2 starter, but he doesn’t rely on his “stuff” to get by, so he should be serviceable at the very least. The only other one is at DH, and he has been terrible all year already. They are a young team that’s just getting started.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Agreed, tigersfan81, but one start is just that. Nate Pearson had an even better debut and bombed after that. I still believe he’s going to be a great pitcher, but it’s too early to tell for certain on him or Dunning. Whereas Lynn has proven to be a great pitcher. I could live with it if it was for Lynn, but I’d be ticked if it was for Bundy.
Orel Saxhiser
The White Sox are fun to watch. Chicago’s best team and an easy squad to root for. Rick Hahn should be Executive of the Year.
ChiSox_Fan
Sox tried to throw game away last night but Grandal redeemed himself with walk off HR.
Had Renteria yanked Cease before giving up 2 run HR to Cubs in 2-1 loss last Sunday…
Sox would have a +/- 12 game win streak!
Aaron Sapoznik
Are you seriously dissing the 2020 AL Manager of the Year?
ChiSox_Fan
Yes, did u watch game last Sunday?
Cease barely made it out of a couple of previous innings.
Sox should have swept the crappy Cubbies with 1-0 victory.
Streak over today anyway. Time to start a new streak tomorrow.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
They’re getting crushed today, though. Burdi bombed hard. Can’t win ’em all.
ChiSox_Fan
Game not over yet!
9-6 1 out man on 2nd!
Too bad KC traded Rosenthal!
ChiSox_Fan
Kennedy faked injury so he could avoid loss.
Otherwise, Sox would have won today.
DarkSide830
“Chicago’s best team” lol yeah sure
chitown311
Truth hurts don’t it darkside! Lol
ChiSox_Fan
AM670TheSCORE will return as the SOX focused radio station next year!!
Dumpster Divin Theo
The Score is already a mini Sox flagship. Stoney 3x, Jason and DJ on occasion, more than half the lineup big Sox fans and Parkins tilting.
ChiSox_Fan
You and I both know they talk more Cubs than Sox, since changed to a “Cubs” station.
This is changing, however, since the Cubs suck so bad.
Orel Saxhiser
Take a look at the two rosters. One team stuffed with talent and on the way up, the other trying for one last hurrah before a rebuild. If I was a White Sox fan, I’d be content with the play and direction of my team. If I was a Cubs fan, I’d be hoping the rebuild doesn’t take too long. The first order of business will be replacing Epstein when he bolts.
Ry.the.Stunner
Bold words from a team that hasn’t made the playoffs in 12 years.
Lovinmlb
Dead on cey hey. Not that bad for cubs. Depends on how they do things. They have a shot this year and next. No in-between crap though. Either trade them all or make one last run and take the weak comp picks. If no fans in 2021 the trade market will be so weak, might be short season or none. Personally I wouldn’t resign anybody. Totally rebuild. Tell the fans we had a good run, had some great players, get ready for some new great players.
Rangers29
The Sox and Rangers just don’t match up unless they send over Madrigal or Vaughn, which is absolutely absurd even for a die hard Rangers fan. Dunning would be okay, but I realize that I really just don’t want to trade with the Sox unless something big is coming in return. I can trust the Rangers to be able to put out a decent starting rotation year in and year out, but we need pieces on offense (hopefully defensively capable ones too). I just don’t see them as a match for Lynn.
I still think Atlanta is the best match with how deep their farm is.
mlb1225
Dunning would have been nice as a second piece in a Lynn to White Sox trade. I do agree that the Braves make a better match. They need to get at least one top 100 guy, and Waters would be a perfect guy to fit that. Maybe throw in one or two of their young pitchers as well.
Rangers29
I have been suggesting two trades of Lynn. One to the Braves for Waters and Bryse Wilson (plus cash, maybe). Or Lynn to the Yankees for Frazier and Andujar, or Frazier and D. Garcia. We need some offense one way or another.
Rangers29
Or… Kopech. Though I do see a risk for arm injuries. Plus what he already has.
mlb1225
Wilson and Waters seems like a fair package. Maybe they also get a change of scenery candidate like Touissaint.
SS Hitmen
You’re not getting 6 years of Kopech for 1.5 years of an aging Lynn. You’re getting a package of Steiver and Adolfo or nothing at all.
mlb1225
There’s no way they’d get just two, 40+ value prospects. Lynn could bring back at least one, 50 grade guy. That would be a top 50-100 prospect.
RunDMC
Obviously, not a headliner, but I’m amazed that teams like TEX wouldn’t target a much lower prospect in a package that still needs some time on the farm 1B Bryce Ball. Dude is big, contact hitter with a lot of power. Reminds me of Teixeira, even went to Dallas Baptist. He saw some action in the summer camp with the big boys. He’s a distant safety net with us needing to extend Freeman, but I’m hoping he could be a 1B/DH of the future.
ChiSox_Fan
Kopech was throwing 110 in March.
No injuries now.
ABCD
Is Kopech even eligible to be traded? That’s what it would take to get Lynn. But he opted out and I think he’s on the restricted list.
ABCD
Stiever and Adolfo would get you Robbie Ray.
SS Hitmen
This kid just said Steiver and Adolfo would get me Robbie Ray! Typical Cubs fan, literally knows nothing about baseball hahahahaha!
ABCD
All three of those players have little trade value. So yeah, don’t look down your nose at me.
Priggs89
Stiever was on his way to being a top 100 prospect before Covid killed this minor league season. The Kid put up a 2.15 ERA in A+ last year with a 0.972 WHIP, 9.8 K/9, and only 1.6 BB/9. If you think he has “little trade value,” you are severely misinformed.
ABCD
However, he’s not a top 100 prospect, yet He’s a sweetener, a piece with upside. It would take three of those to get Bundy and four or five of those to get Lynn. The Sox have them in spades if they choose to do so.
Priggs89
Yeah, you’re severely misinformed. It’d take nowhere near that much talent to get either guy, especially Bundy.
ABCD
Ok, then. What would the Sox offer for either of them?
Priggs89
Not much, hopefully. I wouldn’t trade for either this year if it was up to me. I’m more than happy seeing what Dunning has to offer and piggybacking his starts with Gio Gonzalez until he builds his stamina back. Neither one of Bundy/Lynn has enough control left for me to part with a tip top asset.
IF they wanted to trade for either, I’d imagine a package would start with a young, MLB-ready arm like Dunning, unless one of them thought they could turn Reynaldo around and preferred him instead.
For Bundy, I wouldn’t go much higher than that. I’d offer a young arm with upside that’s further away like Thompson or Dalquist. Maybe add an OK bullpen prospect to that, but nobody of note.
For Lynn, I could be convinced to add Stiever instead, but I wouldn’t like it. Then add a couple lesser pieces from there.
That’s really just looking at the pitching prospects though. I don’t know enough about the Angels or Rangers farms to know what else they’d be looking for. Anybody that is close to the big league level and blocked – Collins/Mercedes/Sheets/Adolfo/Rutherford/Gonzalez – could easily be mixed in as well. If they can’t find something they like out of that, move on.
This is just the beginning for the Sox. Trading any of Vaughn, Kopech, Madrigal, or Crochet for a player that’s past his prime and/or not under control for 3+ years would be short-sighted and stupid at best.
ABCD
That sounds reasonable. Thanks.
Dunning and Stiever and a couple of the blocked position players sounds fair for Lynn.
There will be a lot of buyers this year but Hahn can certainly just say take it or leave it.
tsc32
@SS – Lol imagine thinking buying teams dictate the discussions here. Lynn is the best arm on the market, controllable through next year, a CY candidate, and Texas doesn’t want to sell.
It’s going to take an impressive package to land him. Pay up or go bargain hunting somewhere else.
Priggs89
Texas may not want to sell, but if anyone in that organization has even half a brain, they will. Lance Lynn’s value only goes down from here, and there’s a very, very slim chance they’ll be competitive before his contract is up. Holding onto him past this offseason would be a terrible decision.
ChiSox_Fan
Lynn for Madrigal even up ok with me.
I’m happy with Mendick with Yolmer to back him up.
Acaste
Yolmer isn’t with the team anymore… but ya Mendick has been pretty good
Rangers29
Yolmer is still on the White Sox lol.
ChiSox_Fan
Get your head out of the sand!
Yolmer is back with his Gold Glove.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Nope. Madrigal a potential generational asset. 4th starters much more fungible. They could just go out and resign Q w/o giving up anything. Why think its more likely Bundy or Ray
ChiSox_Fan
I hadn’t heard Q was released!
Don’t need Q next year.
Dogbone
@Willie – lol, yeah Madrigal is a generational talent. Lol. He’ll be lucky to carry a .650 OPS.
Priggs89
3 points above superstar Javier Baez. Nice.
Philliesfan4life
If the angels are going to trade Bundy now is the time, But they need rotation for next year, I would say just keep him.
Angels & NL West
I’ve been on the fence about trading Bundy, as well. I’m now leaning towards keeping him. Overpay to sign free agent Bauer to a one year contract and pick up another starter via trade. That would give the Angels 3 quality starters to pair with some combination of Ohtani, Canning, Sandoval, Heaney, Pena or Barria.
Rangers29
Just keeping Bundy and signing Bauer would make y’all have a good rotation.
Bauer
Ohtani
Bundy
Canning
Heaney
bot
They’d still finish last w that rotation. They add a superstar every year and never get any better
Philliesfan4life
If they can get a rotation like that and their line up can hit , they would be a playoff team.
Angels & NL West
I’m a little reluctant to place too much faith in Ohtani given he has thrown a total of 77 innings the past 4 seasons combined. Even if he is throwing well, which is not a given, he will surely be on a pitch count with innings restrictions.
Dalton1017
for me I wo I ld take quantity of quality in the deal for the Rangers. Dunning Sheets Burger and Benyaman Bailey. and that is probably light
Dumpster Divin Theo
You want Fry with that?
yankee766766
Being a Yankee guy, at this point I will not say anything yet until the trade deadline passes…because we do have a history of pulling off some major stuff coming down the finish line…but to be honest…. , this team is in dire straights right now looking down the home stretch here towards the playoffs…..To think we can compete with the current pitching staff the way it is..against , let’s say a Dodger team is ridiculous!!.. We need at the very worst a number 2 guy,,,…because now it seems like the hitting is starting to fail us and if someone doesn’t buy that , we just scored 19 runs in the last 7 games !!!!! I am not going to even think about suggesting trades I’d like to see……but I would love to hear some feedback or comments from any of you guys here….If there is a pitcher close to Clevinger that could fit this bill, then lay it on me….He IS the only guy I see. He is a number one !!!! Oh and just as a side note..DJ LaMahieu IS the Yankee MVP that must be signed long term…and bring up Clarke Schmidt already!!!.
AssumesFactNotInEvidence
I will not say anything yet, lmfao
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Honestly, I don’t think the Yankees line up that well with the Indians. Indians are in dire need of a big OF bat. Frazier has looked good in limited opportunities since returning, but I wouldn’t count on him having figured it out. Yankees’ other top guys are pitchers, which they should just hold on to. Braves are a much better trading partner for the Indians, imo.
Lovinmlb
Yanks just need a arm or 2. Go with the hot hand. Their lineup and pen can win games. They need solid, not a ace. I enjoy the strategy part of baseball and building teams. Not a fan of spending 200 million plus payroll and giving 30 year olds hundreds of millions. I am seeing more and more smart GM’s come on the seen and predict multiple small market teams will win it all the next dozen years. If you don’t mind giving away some 19 20 year old elite talent the pirates have 3 underrated starters with 2 or 3 years of control after this. If giants sell they have less appealing options but cheaper prospect wise. I think Ray s control is done for this year, Bundy Lynn too expensive. Boyd minor not good enough. Cleving Ples way too expensive. My prediction Yanks do lil to nothing.
jpauld15
I’m a Rangers fan and would be open to trading Lynn but you have to get a haul. You have to get some great prospects because if you don’t trade him he could still be a valuable piece of next years rotation…
Priggs89
You think they’re catching either Oakland or Houston next year? They have a LOT of work to do. If they don’t trade him now, I don’t see any way they don’t move him in the offseason (assuming health).
Lovinmlb
Houston is at the last dance point. 3 key guys will be free agents, then another the following year. Verlander Grienke as well. Interesting to see what new gm will do.
Priggs89
Maybe I’m missing something, but who are the key free agents next year outside of Springer?
As far as the guys they’re losing the following year, that doesn’t matter for this discussion since Lance Lynn will be a free agent at that point too…
Bennie
The Rangers also have Mike Minor who finally turned things around last night. He could be had much cheaper than Lynn for those teams looking to help themselves in a cheap fashion.
Rangers29
In a literal sense, yes Lynn is cheaper than Minor, but that is only because you get Lynn for an extra year, hence paying him an additional 9 million. Still really cheap.
Bennie
I was referring to cheaper as in prospects given up.
Rangers29
Ok, that makes more sense. I do agree on Minor, his starts have gotten progressively better, and I think he is finally back to form. He has a ton of movement on everything right now.
yankee766766
Not sure how one game dictates turning things around ??? His starts have gotten progressively better…in his 2 prev. starts to this “turning around” last game…his ERA was 10.0 !!! So yeah, I guess in a sense he turn turn something around….
Rangers29
He’s been progressing. Last year he was great. This season, the first four starts or so, it was hard for him to get through 4 innings. Now his velocity is creeping back up, his movement on his changeup back, and his last two starts he has gone 6 innings. In his previous start in Seattle he gave up three homers, on some decent pitches too. Last night he progressed even move, pinpoint command, six scoreless against a team with two MVP candidates plus the rest of the Dodgers.
Bennie
Well, Robbie Ray was mentioned as someone teams would be interested in. I would think those same teams would be interested in Minor over Ray.
Rangers29
Question: Which team this deadline is going to make a 2018 Pirates esque “We are barely contending, let’s go get a guy” type move? Will there be any? I say the Rockies, and maybe the Phillies (again).
Lovinmlb
I don’t see any. Rentals rentals rentals. Pirates trade was a huge blunder from a team that haven’t made those types of mistakes in 15 years.
Bennie
The Rangers will not compete for at least a couple of years, so Lynn is very expendable.
Bennie
I was referring to cheaper as in prospects given up.
chitown311
Oh boy here we gooooo Sox fans!!!
Vizionaire
you want bundy. trade kopech and crochet!
southsidebatman
Yea that’s not happening.
ChiSox_Fan
Don’t want Al Bundy.
pinstripes17
Lol!
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Twins gotta do something, I’m getting nervous…
ChiSox_Fan
You should be.
Your postponed games are piling up, too.
Twins will be exhausted if/when they make the playoffs.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
As a Sox fan, I don’t think you should be. While I was correct when I thought the hitting from some guys would regress a little (so many Twins had breakout years last year), I was wrong when I thought their pitching would be a huge weakness after Berrios. Pitching matters more in the playoffs and I think your offense is underperforming a little (in no small part due to Donaldson’s injury). Meanwhile, the Sox are playing an easy stretch of games, which has contributed to their hot streak. Their offense can be explosive, no doubt, but the Sox need to learn two things to become better than the Twins:
1. How to take a walk.
2. More importantly, how to be consistent. Giolito and Keuchel are pros, the other guys in the rotation are inconsistent at best. The hitters seem to be either firing on all cylinders or ice cold as a group. It’s one of the problems of having a young team.
Next year, you can start worrying about the White Sox.
Priggs89
I wouldn’t spend too much time focusing on the Sox “playing an easy stretch of games.” The Twins have already played an easy stretch, facing the Pirates 4 times (3-1), the Royals 10 times (5-5), and the Tigers twice (0-2). Their schedule isn’t getting any easier than that. Unlike the Sox, they haven’t taken advantage of their opportunities.
For the record, in 14 games versus those bum teams, the Sox are 12-2.
ChiSox_Fan
Sox may gain on Twins today even by losing!
Twins to lose both ends of DH to Detroit?!
Sox loss today will convince Sox to get Lynn!
Jim Tom
I don’t see anything really happening. Everyone asking for Dunning, Kopech, Madrigal, or Vaughn to start. I would say those names among a few others are untouchable.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Yup. Why give up any of them when plenty of #4/5 types out there in FA. Liked what I saw out of Reyno last night despite the baserunners. 97 on the gun and 70 pitches. And frequent talks w Gio. Think he’s on the way back
bot
You give those guys up bc their value is Hugh and u get a frontline starter in return. Lynn would be your #2 a proven stud and the best player on the Rangers. One of those guys u mentioned, if not all, are over rated. Trade the one who’s the most.
Don’t believe that ?? Go look at how well Atlanta’s prospects have panned out since they had 9 in top 50 a couple years back…..most prospects don’t pan out
Jim Tom
Maybe I don’t believe we should get rid of any of those guys for Lance Lynn.
bigsteve
Because as Herm Edwards put it, YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. The White Sox are in hunt for a World Series title this year. Lynn greatly increases their chances both this year and next year. He has been an ace and is signed to an extremely cheap deal for next year.
WTF do plenty of #4/5 types in FA after the season is over have to do with Lance Lynn?
partylikeits2005
Lynn would not be their # 2 starter. Giolito and Keuchel would both get the ball before him. And when Kopech comes back next year, it is very possible that Lynn would be #4. That’s not a slight towards Lynn, just stating where he would potentially slot in the rotation. This is year 1 of the White Sox being competitive again… this is NOT the time to make an all in move. At least wait until next year before having that conversation. Which is why I don’t think they’re a good match for Lynn… I understand he has real value, I just don’t think the Sox should cough up what it would potentially take to acquire him.
And as far as other teams’ prospects, I don’t think this is an apples to apples comparison. Pretty much every highly regarded prospect the Sox have called up is already excelling as we’re talking about this. I would argue their top guys are/were better prospects than most other teams’ top guys.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I wouldn’t give up Kopech, Madrigal, or Vaughn. I’d have to consider Dunning. He’s unproven at the MLB level, while Lynn is a proven entity. Much as I wish it would happen, the Sox aren’t going to be able to trade Adolfo and Zevala for a guy like Lynn. You have to give value to get value.
To me, it’s more a question of timing. Do they view this as a year to go all in and start trading from their farm or do they wait for next year to maximize their true window? Waiting gives them a little more time to evaluate the four guys you mentioned, as well as the rest of their assets. There will certainly be some other big=name pitcher on the block next year.
Jim Tom
You’re right. He is unproven. He has played in 1 game. 1 more then Vaughn has and 1 more then Kopech has in the last 2 years. It’s way to soon to give up on Dunning.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
This isn’t about “giving up” on anybody. You’re not going to get a proven good player for someone like Mazara or Fulmer. Value requires value in return.
Jim Tom
Then you make the trade. Plain and simple.
dopt
Do the White Sox grade Matt Thompson or Jared Kelley ? Ok
Priggs89
They like both players quite a bit, I’d imagine. They did just tank 3 rounds in a 5 round draft to get Kelley, after all.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Not a chance on Kelley. Thompson, perhaps, but doubtful. With as many pitching prospects as the Sox have had who’ve battled injuries or just struggled, they should keep as many of them as they can until they’re certain their rotation and BP are top notch.
keysox
If a were the White Sox I’d focus more on guys like Musgrove, Means, or maybe Duffy. Guys that will be around a while.
No to Lynn and Ray. Bundy is a joke. Bring Q back
Dumpster Divin Theo
Q would be awesome. Wonder if there’s a team that would be willing to part with him. Would be willing to consider an OF and a starting pitcher. Maybe someone like Eloy and that Dylan Cease kid.
ChiSox_Fan
That team probably would take Soler or Torres for Q.
bigsteve
Duffy is only signed through 2021, the same as Lynn.
Musgrove is only signed through 2022 and has a whopping 6.75 ERA this year.
It’s too early to be drinking.
ChiSox_Fan
Yes but the Sox will face KC again next week, so Duffy on Sox team in exchange for Lopez ok with me.
ChiSox_Fan
Sox on TV in 13 minutes!
Go Sox!
bot
White sox fans don’t believe they can contend for a title
Priggs89
White Sox fans believe they can contend for a title as is. They don’t want to mortgage the future for 1 or 2 title runs.
gorav114
I think it would be cheaper to shorten the game and target quality relievers. Grab Castro and Givens as a combo from Baltimore
tgallagher
I don’t know if any team is giving up a ton for anybody this year. Hopefully MLB has a full season next year but who knows.
padreforlife
Lance Lynn got whacked last 2 postseasons
ab3b29
What the heck does that have to do with anything?
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Quite a lot, considering the goal is the postseason. The Sox have a very high chance of getting there this year, despite all their injuries. They don’t need more pitching to get there. They need pitching to help them when they get there.
Megatron2005
They aren’t gonna trade Kopech, Vaughn, Dunning or Madrigal for a 33 year old pitcher.
99 Captain Judge
For what it’s worth I hope the White Sox get Lynn, Ray, and Bundy & win the AL Central. The Indian fans are so obnoxious and their Precious Indians have won NOTHING. I have never talked to fans as delusional as them. They take such pride to root for a losing organization. smh
Lovinmlb
Indians need 2 outfield bats. Lindor and Santana are going to be gone soon, this is a good shot for them. They will be in mix next 10 years with their pitching talent, but may have bigger needs in future. Trade for a Pillar or Joyce, Pederson type.
californiaangels
madrigal for Bundy and goodwin? who says no
ABCD
Sox.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Goodwin has been ok, but not exactly good. Bundy is having his first good season this year. Madrigal has one of the highest floors of any prospect with his GG-caliber defense, speed, and ability to put the ball in play. His ceiling is perennial All-Star. Sox don’t seriously consider it.
ChiSox_Fan
Madrigal 2/4 today in first game back since injured shoulder.
Batting .333, but little power.
My Madrigal for Lynn offer still on the table.
Jim Tom
No.
ABCD
That’s actually a fair deal if it’s straight up considering that there will probably be a bidding war for Lynn.
MarkoRock68
Lynn with his elite numbers last yr and this year combined with his contract and extra year of control has a ton of surplus value.
He’s been worth 2 War already in one month. Any pitcher there’s a risk but have to figure he’s worth another 2 War month of Sept plus min 6 War next yr. That’s 8 War for roughly 12 million. ( 1 Month+ 1 yr )
Based on 9 million per War, Lynn has surplus value of 6.7 War. Factoring in a premium for 2 yrs shot at playoffs that should bring back a package of prospects worth 8 War. That’s in the range of a 55FV Position player and a 50 FV pitcher. or a 60FV pitcher and a 45+FV Position. /Pitcher
1-Kopech (60FV-P)+ Sheets or Gonzalez
2-Vaughn (55FV-Pos ) Or Madrigal (55FV Pos) + one of Dunning/Crochet/Kelley/ Steiver/Thompson
With the Sox just coming out of a rebuild with a young core i don’t see the rush to push all in . I don’t see them trading for Lynn.
A team with an aging core who want to really push themselves over the edge would make the only sense to match up for a trade.
This is a 2015 Blue Jays- Price type of trade situation only that Lynn has that extra year of control and will be even more expensive thus the High FV prospect package required.
Priggs89
Lance Lynn is 33 and has exactly ONE season with more than 6 WAR, and now you think that’s his floor? Hard pass at that price point.
nentwigs
still considering native son, Al Bundy !!
MarkoRock68
Guys
Take a look at what the Jays got last yr for Stoman who had the same amount of control remaining as Lynn and Lynn is wayyyyyy more valuable.
They Jays got 2 x Met’s Top 10.
Yes the Sox farm is better then the Met’ but Lynn is an asset worth a ton more then Stroman was so 2 x Top Ten prospects is not unrealistic.
The Sox nor the Jays or Padres are a fit here based on where they are at in their competitive window and youth of their line up.
Dodger/Astros/Yankees are the 3 teams i see being the best fit and willing to push chips in and go for it.
Priggs89
That was a dumb trade by the Mets, unsurprisingly. That being said, the equivalent to that package would be something like Dunning + Thompson.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Please, Hahn, please, do not get Ray. Sox already have too many pitchers who struggle with control. I’d be really happy with Lynn and satisfied with Bundy.
In the meantime, any chance you could get rid of Burdi? 5ER against the Royals in only 1/3 of an inning? Yikes!
Priggs89
I really hope that’s a joke
hyraxwithaflamethrower
It was, but man, that was an ugly, ugly outing.
Chi Town Hype
Eloy Jimenez, Luis Robert and Madrigal are only 23 ! Yoan Moncada 25, Tim Anderson 27, Vaughn, Kopech, dunning will all be part of the team next year! No way they trade any of those guys for Lynn a 33 year old pitcher. Will wait for stroman to be a FA next year! No rush. White Sox have plenty of money to spend on Pitching in FA. Must be out of your mind if anyone thinks the Whitesox are trading any of the prosepcts i named!
Chi Town Hype
Nobody will even no who Lynn is when Moncada,Robert, Jimenez, Madrigal, Kopech, and Vaughn all reach their primes!
Orel Saxhiser
Chi Town Hype, if the White Sox made such a dumb trade, White Sox fans might forever link Lance Lynn’s name James Shields. The trade market has totally changed and years of control are now considered more valuable than a short-term veteran presence. The White Sox are set up to contend regularly for years to come. Better yet, it will coincide with a Cubs rebuild. That is a huge incentive for the White Sox to stay with their plan.
ChiSox_Fan
MLB season could be over tomorrow if the “RONA” spreads.
So, not trading the farm for this season alone.
Idioms for Idiots
I’d rather see the Sox stand pat than to get any of these guys. Sox would have to give up way too much, especially for Lynn. For what? To try and win a 60-game season that might not finish? Just because things are going fine now with MLB regarding COVID-19 doesn’t mean it will stay the same way in Oct.
They need a trade that will blow them away. Unless they’re getting Lynn, Ray, or Bundy for virtually nothing (which will be impossible), none of these guys are going to be in a trade that blows them away.
Kopech, Dunning, Vaughn, and Madrigal should not be a part of any trade right now, especially not for Lynn. Lynn’s been great, but once he falls, he will fall hard. And that could easily be next season. I’d even say this season if there weren’t just 4 weeks to go, so he’s probably safe from that drastic drop this season.
Orel Saxhiser
In tonight’s game: Lynn has looked decent, but the Dodgers are working his pitch count and Bellinger just crushed one. Lynn has thrown 66 pitches through 3 innings while surrendering 3 runs. Lance Lynn, welcome back to Planet Earth.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Yep, because one mediocre game against the best team in baseball is enough to determine that.
fishy14
Lol I’m usually go go go but hope Sox just make small move
To the guy in front of me if the Sox are trading for Lynn it’s to face teams with good lineups in the playoffs
Priggs89
Remind me again why we can’t just let Dunning pitch?