8:13pm: The Yankees have called the Giants about righty Kevin Gausman, according to Martino. Gausman, whom the Giants signed to a one-year, $9MM contract last winter, has tossed 31 innings of 4.65 ERA ball (with a far shinier 3.10 FIP) and recorded 12.19 K/9 against 1.74 BB/9 this season. The 29-year-old spent 2013-18 in the Yankees’ division, the AL East, as a member of the Orioles.
8:50am: The Yankees find themselves in a familiar position with just six days until the Aug. 31 trade deadline: battling for first place in the AL East with a pitching staff that has been thinned out by injuries. Luis Severino won’t pitch this year after undergoing Tommy John surgery, and James Paxton just landed on the IL after weeks of shaky results with diminished velocity. Just as Aroldis Chapman returned for his season debut, Zack Britton went down with a hamstring strain. Tommy Kahnle had Tommy John surgery. Southpaw Luis Avilan is out with shoulder troubles. On top of the injuries, Domingo German’s suspension removes him from the depth chart for 2020.
New York still possesses a deep bullpen, even with Kahnle out for the year and Britton sidelined into September, but the rotation is much shakier. Gerrit Cole has been excellent thus far, but Masahiro Tanaka hasn’t thrown more than 71 pitches in a start. Jordan Montgomery has been shaky in his four starts, and J.A. Happ has yielded nine runs in 12 2/3 frames with more walks (10) than strikeouts (6). Cole and Jonathan Loaisiga, who has thrown a total of 5 1/3 innings, are the only Yankees pitchers who have started a game this year and currently carry an ERA under 4.60.
Unsurprisingly, the Yankees are in the market for arms — both in the ’pen and more importantly in the rotation. Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that the Yankees could be particularly intrigued by deals that could allow them to acquire a starter and reliever in one fell swoop. Most clubs are expected to be a bit more averse than usual to parting with prospects at this year’s deadline, given the shortened amount of time they’ll control the players in 2020 and the fact that ownership groups are less willing to take on salary. The Yankees are no exception, so doubling up in a single deal makes some sense.
SNY’s Andy Martino writes that Yankees general manager Brian Cashman has already been in touch with the Indians, who are said to be at least “open” to offers on recently demoted right-hander Mike Clevinger. The 29-year-old has been excellent dating back to 2017 (2.97 ERA, 10.2 K/9 in 464 2/3 innings) and has two years of club control remaining beyond 2020. However, he also angered his organization by violating health-and-safety protocols and taking a flight with the club before the team learned of his actions. Clevinger was limited to 21 starts last year due to a teres major strain and an ankle injury, as well.
Elsewhere, Jon Morosi of MLB.com writes that the Yankees are among the many clubs to have inquired on Mariners righty Taijuan Walker. ]Walker is among the surest bets to move between now and Monday afternoon’s deadline, so it’d be more surprising to learn that the Yankees haven’t kicked the tires, but the initial interest is still worth noting. Walker is on a one-year, $2MM deal in Seattle this season and has pitched to a flat 4.00 ERA with a 25-to-8 K/BB ratio in 27 innings. Once one of MLB’s top pitching prospects, he pitched just 14 innings from 2018-19 due to injuries but has looked healthy thus far. Walker’s most recent start saw him hold the Dodgers to three runs on four hits and a walk with eight punchouts in seven innings.
There are obviously plenty of other places for the Yankees to look, but Cleveland and Seattle represent a pair of logical trade partners. If Clevinger is to move, the Indians will assuredly want immediate Major League help. They’re in second place in the AL Central and in clear win-now mode. Affordable outfield help will be paramount on the team’s wish list, as their current group has woefully underperformed. Speculatively speaking, Clint Frazier is a former top draft pick by the Indians. If Cleveland believes Miguel Andujar can play a competent left field, perhaps he’d be of interest as well. For a pitcher of Clevinger’s caliber, even with his stock down, they’d likely seek some additional prospect value rather than a straight-up swap, though. The rebuilding Mariners, meanwhile, may not be quite as insistent on adding MLB-ready help given that they’re not in the 2020 playoff picture. However, they’re beginning to see the fruits of their rebuild emerge at the big league level, so players who could help in the next year or two still seem likely to be an area of focus.
White Sox need a dependable starter, too.
But addition by subtraction will work too, if the NYY acquire Clevinger.
I highly doubt Cleveland would deal a SP to the Sox.
FredMcGriff for the HOF
Clevinger to the Yankees is laughable. I cannot imagine he’d be happy to get a haircut.
He’d probably be ok with it, its literally just a hair cut
@Begamin- he wouldn’t be going to a barber anyway, he would probably be going to a famous stylist in NYC.
The two best moves the yankees can make this deadline is deal for a solid starter (Doesn’t need to be an elite arm, just someone who you can count on going 6 innings and keeping the team in the ball game) and call up Clarke Schmidt. He can replace J.A Happ from the rotation.
Cleveland shouldn’t trade Clevinger just for the sake of getting rid of him. If other teams attempt to low-ball the Indians, aware they’re desperate to move him, Cleveland shouldn’t bite. On the other hand, if you can receive a package with a major league ready player and a promising prospect that could improve the team in both the short and long term, a deal makes perfect sense.
Frazier could be a decent starting point, as the Indians are hurting at corner outfield. On the other hand, his defense leaves a lot to be desired with 12 outs below average already. Andujar wouldn’t make sense to me, as he’s an awful defender and Cleveland is already satisfied at designated hitter with Reyes for the foreseeable future. If the Yankees want Clevinger, they’ll need to keep the Indians’ needs in mind
They do have to factor in the locker room part of it though. They’re not going to trade him for pennies on the dollar but there does come a point where they might have to pick a side.
Marvels MAGA Man
If they keep him down rest of the season, Plesac too, and wind up messing with their service time Cleveland is going to have a whole new problem to face in the form of grievances along with disgruntled agents. Last thing you want is to form bad relationships with companies that represent players who you’re going to negotiate with.
They get a decent offer for either they need to take it.
You’re wrongly assuming that the Indians would keep him down for the rest of the year.
For the Indians to gain an extra year of control over Clevinger, he’d have to still be at the alternate site after the trade deadline has passed. Meaning, if they didn’t get any good offers for him at the deadline, they could bring him back up with his free agency schedule still the same as it was.
So there’s no need for them to just take any offer for him when they could just promote him and avoid the grievance before the deadline even passes.
Marvels MAGA Man
Key word is “if”
They could plan to bring them up. They could choose not to bring them up.
So far I haven’t heard or seen anything about them intending to bring them up after the deadline.
If they have no intent of bringing them up the rest of the year they should trade him to avoid the PR nightmare.
Only if they get major league talent though. There’s no way Cleveland just trades Clevinger for scraps. He’s a premier starting pitcher with multiple seasons of control. They would definitely bring him back up if they don’t deal him at the deadline. Why would the Indians reveal their intentions to the public? You have no idea what they plan on doing
Marvels MAGA Man
“They get a decent enough offer for either they need to take it”
Idk where you got scraps from. Idk where you heard or saw theyll call them up after the deadline. Supposedly this past Monday was when they could have been called up….that didn’t happen. Hes got 2 years of control left.
Why would they reveal their intentions? Simple. Teams either pony up the asking price or we are keeping them.
Playing we might or mighy not keep them only reduces offers teams are offering.
Its no secret their actions caused a huge rift in the locker room with guys threatening to opt out if they weren’t punished and possibly could opt out if they are recalled. You think other teams don’t know that? Course they do and will offer lower deals until cleveland commits to the pitchers.
The gm implied one would be called up tomorrow to make a start. He said they were in internal discussions on who would make the start instead of Plutko.
I could see Plesac being called up. Clevinger might get traded and Tribe doesn’t want to risk injury until after the trade deadline.
No, they don’t “need” to take anything. The idea that you want to lower Clevinger’s value so that you don’t have to offer as much can go down the road. You want a pitcher like Clevinger then prepare to have some regret for what you give up. That’s how it works.
P.S. Plesac is going nowhere.
Marvels MAGA Man
Here’s how this is going to go.
Call them up. Risk pissing off your locker room. Risk pissing off your star player in Lindor.
Players, coaches, and front office constantly dealing with questions from the media about Clevinger and Plesac.
The front office wants to deal with that and put their locker room through thay go for it. Rarely does it work itself out.
Cleveland goes on a losing streak or doesn’t make the playoffs they get to enjoy the media constantly magnifying calling up Plesac and/or Clevinger all off season.
Remember when the Reds gave away Chapman partly cause they didn’t want to deal with the PR circus? Indians are in a similar boat with Clevinger and Plesac.
Indians aren’t getting a kings ransom for either. Theyll get decent package offers but nobody is going to overpay for them. Not a chance.
Theyll just let the Indians shoot themselves in the foot and wait till the off season and offer even less when it the situation blows up in the Indians face.
Want to bet?? These players made a mistake and have paid the price. The players that spoke out wasn’t about NEVER wanting them back, just some sort of discipline. Players are about winning and the Tribe isn’t winning with Plutko.
@wagner13 no clearly if Andujar gets traded the Indians will have to add because their fan base said he was more value able than Jacob DeGrom
By “their fan base”, are you sure you don’t just mean “some random poster on the internet”?
I’m about to fall over laughing at your comment. The guy isn’t even playing yet he’s to valuable to trade? The Yankees aren’t going anywhere without pitching help. Trade Andujar for DeGrom and see where that gets them.
Frazier + Andujar for clevinger and through in another prospect. Neither Frazier or Andujar will see the field in the next few years so why not.
Because the Indians won’t take that offer. While both of those dudes can hit, they’re both awful in the field and Cleveland values defense a lot. I don’t think that does it, or even close really.
Besides, the Indians don’t necessarily have to trade with the Yankees either. If their offer isn’t deemed satisfactory, there are 28 other teams in the league
You mean trade recommendations should appear fair for both sides? Then I’d have to do homework.
@wagner13- well thank goodness for all those 28 other teams out there.
Angujar doesn’t belong in pinstripes we’ll take what we can get for a reliever. Fraizer would be a trade for an ace but I don’t want to trade him at all.
You want Andujar gone, the guy who lost one year to injury, and has played just 20 games after almost winning ROY?
I know he has his faults (poor defense) but my leash is a little longer than that.
I still remember Yankees fans saying Mets would need to add besides DeGrom for Andujar………
Yeah, that’s just nonsense. I don’t remember anyone saying that though. I’m sure there was one dumb fan, but not a contingent.
Thing about 2020 is, it’s impossible to use it as a barometer for anything. Players had 2 weeks of camp, after months of being stagnant. Injuries are odd, lack of hitting can be odd. Again, Andujar has played a total of 20 games between 2019-20 so far. Hard to tell what he is post surgery.
It’ll be 2021 before we can get a feel for what a lot of players are, because 2020 is such a freakish year it really has to be discounted, even for positive performances.
@WiffleBall check out some comments on Yes Network YouTube channel. I heard people on WFAN spewing that nonsense. I haven’t met a smart Yankee fan yet. They complain about Astros cheating even though they cheated for 5 rings.
I am so eager to hear the theory on how the yankees cheated for their last 5 rings.
Please indulge me
That all really sounds like normal fan behavior. You should see some of the crazy things my fellow Braves fans come up with on the FB Braves main page. Last night there were plenty of nutty ideas in trading for Clevinger and Lindor that you just have to shake your head at. All fan bases have large amounts of fans that do this because they are only fans. It’s senseless trying to discriminate between fan bases.
I heartily agree SalaryCapMyth.
@johnnydubz This is literally one of the worst sites to have a civil discussion about baseball.
The defunct RiverAvenueBlues and Fangraphs had/have some pretty smart sensible fans.
Clint Frazier is not bringing back an Ace.
The Phillies should offer Zack Eflin and JTR for Brian Cashman.
Yankees want Clevinger then the Indians are going to want Judge.
Same amount of control,same salaries,same age,same nagging injury history.
Only difference is starting pitching has a premium placed on it that makes the deal even more reasonable.
Coming from an Indians fan, the Yankees would never trade judge
I’d love to see a Clev/Judge deal, but there’s no way the Yanks do this. I can see a Clev & Allen/Zimmer for Frazier, Andujar & Garcia being a possibility.
Not from Cleveland’s side,
What are they going to do with 2 DHs that are damaged goods and a pitching prospect they don’t need.?
You aren’t getting a top 30 starting pitcher for scraps..
Frazier and Andujar can both play in the OF….although it would be ugly at times. I’ll take their bats in the lineup everyday and take my chances in the field. I can’t stand another day of this OF…except Domingo. Garcia is a big time prospect that they can pair with McKenzie, Moss, Civale and Bieber when the rebuild starts.
Frazier and Andujar in the outfield would be ugly all the time. Domingo is also a defensive liability.
I mean I can play outfield, but I doubt Cleveland would be happy about having me out there.
Exactly! You can play the OF, but can you hit? At least these guys are an upgrade over the chumps that hit like my 8 year old.
I’d put Reyes out there too…and give Bradley or Bauers another shot! He’s played 158 games in the OF with a .975 fielding percentage. Judge has a career .985 percentage. He’s not that big of a liability.
Andujar can not play outfield. Andujar can not play 3B. Andujar has not been able to play any defensive position that he has trade. Repeat after me: Andujar is a DH. Cleveland does not need another DH.
Devi Garcia is 5-9. Will his body hold up to the stresses of being a starting pitcher? That is also something to be very concerned about.
Yeah their fielding percentage is fine because they catch what comes right at them. The routes, reads, and overall mobility in the outfield would be horrendous. Andujar, Frazier, Santana, Reyes in the outfield would quickly take Cleveland out of contention.
Defense is half the game. And neither of those guys is Babe Ruth with the bat either.
An OF of Reyes, Frazier and Andujar would basically triple your staff ERA. That’s unplayable.
@themaven- Frazier is not a dh. He’s fine in lf. It doesn’t matter your not getting him anyway. Hopefully, Clevinger goes somewhere else.
Frazier has been a disaster in the field thus far. Last year, in less than half a season, he accrued -8 rField and -1.0 dWAR. I understand little about these stats but those numbers are extreme enough that even I can clearly conclude that he’s been terrible out there.
What about Plesac??
But can you also “HIT”?
Garcia is a little guy who offers nothing the Indians could want or have wanted.. Change out the Deivi guy for a German guy.. This way both clubs get a bad actor/clubhouse/PR problem out of their system?
Yanks really don’t want Clevenger. He would have problems in NY. Yankee clubhouse is strong and they don’t need an ass like him.
Lmao yankees trade judge
I could see this type of trade
Makes no sense for the Yankees to add Clevinger by subtracting Judge. They’d want to give up prospects that aren’t helping now because they are trying to add to their team, not subtract. I’ll never understand some of these trade suggestions that fail to take into account the very reason a team may consider a trade in the first place.
Exactly, Judge is the face of the franchise. While I think he is too injury prone and I wouldn’t give him $300 million, he is more important to the team now. When he’s on he is a superstar.
@bighouseblue. This trade isn’t just about value in a vacuum though you could look at their WAR and come to the conclusion that Judge is considerably more valuable. But even if the market can make Clevinger as valuable as Judge despite only having 60% of his accumulated WAR, you haven’t dealt with what Judge is worth to the Yankees. This guy is currently the face of the franchise.
If your purpose is to create a trade scenario that will never happen because you don’t WANT to see Clevinger traded then you’ve done well. That actually IS the only way a player is truly untouchable. When you set an unattainable price tag which any GM would scoff at. If Cleveland actually stops at Judge then it’s clear that they aren’t interested in a trade.
Did you read what I wrote? I said I’d love it…but NO WAY the Yanks do it. Go back and look!
Come and get Kevin Gausman from the Giants. Giants would take Frazier or Andujar.
@Scottn59c- Nah Yankees would prefer Walker & Gonzales from the Mariners instead of Kevin Gausman.
They should but they won’t get Gonzales for Frazier and/or Andujar. Walker they could get without a lot of cost and he’d be a good get get for them too
no way the yankees trade frazier for kevin freakin gausman
@pinstripes17- no worries that’s definitely not happening anyway bro
That’s a joke right? You really don’t think Gausman is going to draw that, do you? A one year rental that’s a tic bellow league average? Gausman will net the Giants a couple lottery ticket prospects and if that isn’t enough than they will get Gausman for the rest of the season. So what’s that, 5 or 6 more mediocre starts? Enjoy!
Haha, I know they’re not trading Frazier for Gausman. Gausman is a very decent SP, though, and he’ll draw a decent return from somebody.
Do you think “decent pitcher” is a substitute phrase for “tic bellow league average”?
Looks like Yanks are checking in on Gausman after all. Told-ya-so. 😉
I know Yanks aren’t going to give up Frazier or Andujar. What do you think would be a fair swap?
Clev has been punished enough. Don’t trade him to the yanks and make him cut his hair
Lmao, be funny if the last part of a deal was player to be named later. Clevinger refuses to cut hair and becomes player named later
Hell….they are so desperate the Tribe should put J-Ram back out in LF and bring up Nolan Jones. He played like 50 games out there in 2016.
I thought they should of did that instead of trying kipnis in center 2 years ago.
Seriously….he’s athletic enough and solves a huge problem. He is unselfish enough to play anywhere.
I was just thinking that last night too. Jones can’t do much worse than our outfield has done.
Agree! My biggest issue is that Reyes has a career .975 fielding percentage in RF….yet he’s such a liability? Put him out there and open up a spot at DH for Bradley/Jones/Bauers or someone via trade.
This lineup would be great…trade for a CF! Bring up Bauers and Bradley…trade and/or send down Naquin, Zimmer, Allen and just let Mercado work through it EVERYDAY!!! I’m so fed up with those guys!
1. 2B – Hernandez
2. LF – J-Ram
3. SS – Lindor
4. 1B – Santana
5. DH – Reyes
6. RF – Santana
7. 3B – Jones
8. CF – (via trade) or Mercado
9. C – Perez
What if they made a big splash and since it’s
Only a few starts this makes sense…sign Roger Clemens!??
Looks like Lance Lynn is going to be available. I’ve read on here that some Yankee fans don’t think he can pitch in NY. Rangers would like to get Clint Frazier. Any way a deal like that can be accomplished?
Lynn can pitch in NY, location doesn’t magically transform him into a different player. The question is, how good is he really and is he just on a hot streak right now. Plus, do the Rangers give him up for a fading prospect who can’t play defense?
we already had Lynn and he had his worst season ever pitching in New York
jfoody- your right Lynn definitely can’t pitch in NY. He would be okay in Atlanta or Tampa Bay though. If Yankees are involved it would be a 3 team trade with Lynn going elsewhere.
we already had Lynn and he has his worst season ever in New York
That’s not true. Lynn was at his worst on the Twins earlier in the season. Once on the Yankees, he improved mightily. While his ERA wasn’t fantastic, his FIP was just 2.17 and he recorded 10.1 K/9. Please stop spreading this false narrative that Lynn can’t “handle the pressure” of New York. If you don’t want him that’s fine, but that doesn’t mean you need to spread rumors
Ita not as rumor. Its someone’s opinion . I disagree with the opinion but it’s not a rumor .
Also even if it were I dont think lance Lynn’s life would be affected one bit. Something tells me the yankees front office doesn’t base player personale decisions from random comments in the MLBTR comment section
spread rumors ? You mean on a website entitled “rumors” 🙂
Yea, the Yankees front office probably gets a chuckle out of the nonsensical “can’t make it in NY” narrative. It’s a load of nonsense fans come up with based on a misunderstanding of cherry-picked stats and the misconception that NYC is so intense that it effects talent level. It’s not and it doesn’t but some fans will never let go of the narrative.
Wagner13- he’s not spreading rumors at all. Do you remember him pitching in the postseason? He was awful. smh. Lynn can’t pitch here. He’s just like Sonny Gray.
Lance Lynn pitched a total of 54.1 IP in NY and it wasn’t worse than his 2017 totals. Even more pointed than that, he pitched WORSE for Minnesota, the same year he pitched for NYY. Check out his stats on BR. Does that mean he can’t pitch in Minnesota?
Pitchers have bad seasons and bad portions of seasons. His production for NYY fits in with how he pitched elsewhere during that moment in his career.
New York is just a city people. It isn’t the New York from “Escape from New York.” It isn’t the “Badlands” from Mad Max. It’s just a city. 9 million people can make it there. I’m sure Lynn can too.
@Javia- if you want him so bad you can have him. Lynn has proven he can’t pitch in NY. Have you ever seen him pitch in NY? He’s like Sonny Gray. Maybe the Friars can trade for him? He would probably pitch really good for them.
I do not want him Yank
@Javia- then why you trying to have the Yankees trade for him? Lmao! They have been there done that already. At this point it may look like Gausman might be traded here. Yikes! Don’t want him here either. Even though he probably is better then Dylan Bundy. Ted Bundy was a lot more scarier to me then Dylan Bundy.
@Cosmodeus- it’s a proven fact that he can’t pitch in NY. Obviously you haven’t been paying attention. smh
You seem to have your own personal definition of “proven”, Yank4life… he didn’t pitch well in a brief stint. In no way, shape or form does that constitute proof. Location does not effect talent level. If you wanna tell me a pitcher can’t handle that ridiculous right field situation at the stadium, fine. But the idea that playing for the Yankees is so intense that only a select few can handle it is an arrogant and false narrative.
@Yank4Life-You are always making assumptions about me and you are ALWAYS wrong. Wow.
Anyways, I could care less if the Yankees trade for Lynn or not. All I was saying is that making it in New York is not like passing Navy Seal training! It’s not like only 1 in 1000 people can make it there. It is just a city.
As a royals fan I’d be happy if they took Duffey and rosenthal of our hands for some prospects.
Maybe a bag of balls if KC will throw in IFA money.
@cobbalicious- that’s definitely not going to happen so don’t count on that. Sorry man
Yankees can’t offer what the Tribe needs. Frazier and Andujar? Puh-leez, those spots are already filled with similar players in Cleveland.
Now, if Atlanta comes asking……..
Atlanta and Cleveland match up very well as trade partners..
Indians send Clevinger to the Braves
Braves send Waters or Pache and Muller to the Indians
Perhaps one more MiLB prospect in the 20 – 40 range from each team to further balance any perceived or real slight…
I agree with sufferfortribe, I don’t see a good trade fit here, and I’m a Yankee fan. Cleveland and NY are in contention this season. It’s hard to find a trade that works for both for this season.
Lindor and Clevinger to the Yankees For Torres and Andujar. The only way it works is the Yankees get 48 hours to sign Lindor. Yankees get what they want and Cleveland gets proven young talent in Torres
Hahahaha……Hahahaha…….stop me if you’ve heard this before…….Hahahaha…..
Lindor and Clevinger for Torres and Andujar??
Yankee fans sure do come up with some homer trade proposals
@sufferfortribe- Cleveland Clevinger sounds so perfect for Atlanta. I definitely hope it happens.
Giants trade Johnny Cueto for the rights to Jim Abbott circa 1994. Straight up.
Gotta hand it to you for that idea.
Hands off best deal all day
The only fair trade is for Cleveland to send him to NYY, pay all of his salary, get nothing in return, and publicly thank the Yankees for the service.
…. and maybe throw Lindor in for the player to be named!
A deal with the Yankees would obviously have to include Frazier, but Andujar has no value right now. Even if he was hitting, he’s a liability in the field and the Indians already have Franmil to DH. (Frazier might never be a great defender, but I have more trust in his ability to become a better defender in time than I do with Andujar.)
Frazier and Clarke Schmidt, plus a solid prospect (anywhere in the 5-12 range or so), should be the starting framework.
Don’t see the yankees dealing Schmidt in any trade this offseason
@driftcat28- me either looks like Schmidty & hopefully Deivi are staying. If Gausman is coming here & I’m praying he’s not it won’t be for either of these pitchers.
Rosenthal is a 4 week rental. Duffy has been pitching relatively good lately, but his contract for 2021 is 15 million dollars and 6-7 mil. this season prorated. Too steep given his last few rough seasons. Royals I am sure could find some interested buyers, but that contract won’t net a blue chip prospect unless someone like Barlow is thrown in along with some cash relief to cover Duff’s contract.
I Would Be Happy To Trade Miguel Andujar,Clint Frazier,Albert Abreu & Domingo Acevedo To The New York Mets For Jacob DeGrom & Then Trade Estevan Florial,Luis Gil,Everson Pereira & Luis Medina To The Toronto Blue Jays For Ken Giles & Then Trade Alexander Vizcaino,Zack Granite,Adonis Rosa & Rosell Herrera To The San Francisco Giants For Tony Watson,To Give My New York Yankees Another Starter & 2 More Arms In The Bullpen.
We’ve already been over how this doesn’t work JJ
What about: Andujar from NY to Pitt for Trevor Williams, straight up?
@David C- not saying Trevor Williams is a bad pitcher. Thinking the Yankees would just prefer Joe Musgrove instead if he was available.
Andujar has no fit in Pit because all it does is block Ke’Bryan.
Let’s look at the world of BB right now and be realistic.
The LA Dodgers clearly have the deepest Starting staff…in MLB: Kershaw and Buehler alone could be among the top 2. then sprinkle in Urias and May..and add in Stripling as a number 5?? what????….. oh yeah and Alex wood lurking somewhere in the injury shadows
Oh yes, almost forgot..their bullpen ERA sits at 2.01.!!!!!
Here is my point…..The Yankees need Clevinger. They need an ace to compete with LA in the Post Season. is there anybody here that disagrees that pitching rules in the post Season??. Not Lance Lynn, not Taijuan Walker, not Cueto..etc etc……..pleeeeeease….
They must go out and get him.
I know great prospects are just that…only prospects…..but the Yankees have a very deep and well thought of list top pitching guys….and in no particular. order…..Deivi Garcia, Schmidt , Abreu, Medina, Vizcaino, Nick Nelson, Miguel Yajure (love this guy), Gil (100 mph heater)……
So whether or not it is Andujar or Frazier, Florial, Garcia, and possibly one of these guys but not Schmidt…..and get Clevinger….!!!
Cole and Clevinger becomes the best 1-2 combo in baseball..oh and by the way, Clevinger under control thru 2022
……then try to do a trade to get Givens from Baltimore…or better yet Staumont from KC
How much would the “Lance Lynn can’t pitch in Yankee Stadium” factor be influenced by the fact there are no fans at games in 2020?
Keep an eye on Alex Cobb’s start Thursday against the Rays. If he throws well, I could see a Mychal Givens/Cobb trade to the Yankees.
What are the O’s getting back ? Elias can’t take any more lottery tickets for his few remaining bullets…
I would think it would have to be pitching. He may have more bullets than you think as they work through the rebuild.
Why are we wasting our time with these “once-they-were-good” pitchers ?????????? He is just not the same pitcher he was in ’13/’14
And he just doesn’t strike anybody out.
@CurtBlefary- interesting point about Lynn pitching in NY without the fans. And I think you might have something in regards to Givens/Cobb both or one of them being traded to the Yankees. The Yanks definitely have more interest in Givens then Cobb though.
Yes, I am with Cleveland I definitely see Andujar playing gold glove defense in leftfield… lol
Sorry about the duplicate response fellas
What about Bauer and Clevinger to the Yanks. Yanks can send some pitching prospects and a middle infield prospect to the Reds. And Andujar and an outfield prospect to the Indians for Clevinger. That would b electric with Cole. Tanaka is what he is. A very good backend guy who elevates in the playoffs for a 2/3 guy.
Cleveland laughs and hangs up the phone
and….they never answer again! Lol
Do these prospects have a name ?
Just going off Cleveland and Cincys needs. Those 2 r the kinds pitchers the Yanks need to win a ring.
Yankees FANS say no…but the brass say YES!
Yankees get: Clevenger, Allen
Tribe gets: Frazier, Schmidt, Wells
Then the Tribe the flips Schmidt….to San Fran and they get a top SP prospect, serviceable OF and SS of the future. San Fran would jump at this.
San Fran gets: Schmidt, Zimmer, Rocchio
Tribe gets: Yaz, Ramos
1. 2B – Hernandez
2. 3B – Ramirez
3. SS – Frankie
4. 1B – Santana
5. DH – Reyes
6. CF – Yaz
7. RF – Domingo
8. LF – Frazier
9. C – Perez
Rocchio could be the SS of the future for the Indians. Some prospect sights already have him in the top 100 rankings. I still think the Indians can do better.
I believe Rocchio will take over in 2023….hopefully he progresses fast enough for 2022. I’m not saying he untouchable by any means…but I think the front office has him in the framework kid the future teams.
Rocchio has some work to do before he can really be viewed as a shortstop in MLB and no minor league games this year probably keeps him at the 2023 ETA. He can hit but his defense is the big issue. I got to see him play a lot last year and he made a lot of throwing errors. Still young so it can improve but may end up at 2nd instead.
I don’t think the Giants want to trade one of their best players in Yaz and one of their best prospects in Ramos at all..
Lots of other SP options out there that aren’t as good as Clevinger has been and might cost less. How about Jon Gray?
Dream on – Indians are making the playoffs. Not trading away pitchers. I can see walker changing teams but otherwise look elsewhere but I can’t see the yankee farm yielding anything quality unless like usual they take on a bad contract
The Indians can trade Clevinger and still be in the playoffs. None of us know how bad things are in the clubhouse related to Plesac and Clev. What we do know is that they are not helping the team while they are at the alternate site and the Indians are in dire need of offense.
If the Indians don’t envision being able to activate Clevinger soon because of potential clubhouse fallout, they should deal him for a bat. I would think he could return a ML-ready outfielder and a prospect or two.
They already announced it. He is starting tomorrow. The gm had implied he would Sunday.
Cleveland will want Clarke Schmidt for Clevinger.
@goducks- Cleveland could want Clarke Schmidt all they want for Clevinger. It doesn’t mean it’s going to happen though.
Yankees want one of Cleveland’s top pitchers and the Tribe needs an OF from NY that can hit AND play defense. Clevenger for Hicks. Gardner takes over CF for NY.
This is so far off I am not even going to bother.
Why? Who would help the Yankees more? A solid starter, Clevinger, or Hicks? I think they need starting pitching more.
It’s the other side of that deal that doesn’t work.
Why would Cleveland trade one of the top 20 starters in mlb for a 31 year old CF with a lifetime BA of .235?
@Javia- why can’t the Indians just keep Clevinger or trade him to the Braves or Padres already? I don’t want him on the Yankees. I’d rather have Trevor Bauer, Johnny Cueto, or Marco Gonzales then him.
They can. I didn’t suggest the trade, stymeedone did. I know that trade won’t happen. That is, in fact, exactly what I was saying.
It’s maddening how little my fellow Yankees fans expect to give up in exchange for upper tier starting pitchers. It’s going to take quality and quantity to get him from Cleveland. Right now Cleveland is looking for major league ready bats and guys who are at least league average defenders. Andujar and Frazier will not be anywhere near enough. I doubt they would even want either player as part of a package. Let’s try and be somewhat realistic.
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Thank you Logic! It gets frustrating trying to carry an intelligent conversation about trade possibilities when others want to downgrade your value and upgrade theirs. Both sides need to be realistic and fair. I honestly don’t think the Yankees and Cleveland are a very good match unless Chernoff values Frazier more than we think. If I’m the Yankees I’m not giving up Judge in a trade for Clevinger when there are other SP options out there that would not require him to be included. Both teams have playoff aspirations so a trade could be difficult to consummate.
I think a trade could still be made but agree they don’t line up as ideal trade partners. I think Colorado and New York might make more sense and have recent history dealing with each other. Cleveland could probably get a better package for guys like Clevinger and Lindor from a team like the Dodgers or Braves.
I just don’t understand calling the Giants about Kevin Gausman and not calling them about Johnny Cueto? Cueto is much better then Gausman. smh
Cueto’s owed a lot more money and Gausman’s a pure rental.
@Scottn59c- How many more years on Cueto’s contract? Is Gausman better then Dylan Bundy? Probably not. What would the Giants want for Gausman or Cueto?
Money? Size of contract?
Now how to swing a Tainuan Walker deal to snag Clint Frazier or Andujar in return. Sweeten deal if needed with a reliever
@warwhatisitgoodfor- the Yankees are not going to trade Andujar or Frazier for a rental like Walker. But I can see the Yankees trading Andujar to the Mariners for Marco Gonzales in a package.
It may not seem important at all at the moment and maybe won’t be,but I still have a problem with the Indians letting go of Christian Arroyo for nothing. How do you keep a 33year old journeyman like Mike Freeman over Arroyo who has some real upside to him if he can stay healthy. With our hitting woes we could certainly have used Jesus Aguilar instead of seeing him homer and drive in runs for other teams.
If I recall we let him go for nothing too. Not even the middle of a donut.
Yeah $21 million for Cueto next season forget it. It would all depend on the asking price for Kevin Gausman. Not trading Andujar for him. Trevor Bauer would definitely cost more. And thinking the Reds are a playoff team. I could see the Yankees trading a pitching prospect for him. Either Deivi Garcia or Luis Gil in a package with Andujar to Cincy.
Giants would eat some money on Cueto, but yeah, Gausman is the better target.
SF just added power hitting prospect Chris Shaw to the roster. Shaw has hit 25 hr in the minors for several years running, but hasn’t found success with the club. He needs a change of scenery.
Gausman and Shaw for Andujar + lottery ticket?
You noted that the Reds are likely a playoff team and then still turn it into “trade your player to the Yankees” with no reasoning. Plus, remember the history between Bauer and Cole? I do. I doubt Bauer is any kind of available, and on top of that, I doubt the Yankees are interested in the distractions he brings. I only bring that up because you made the same character points about Clevinger and Plesac.
I dunno about y’all, but I’m getting a bit tired of seeing “x superstar player for auxiliary players the yankees aren’t using” proposals. Like, there are reasons they aren’t in the majors, and the Yankees are one out of thirty teams that can see those reasons. If Clint Frazier was an extremely desirable player, he’d be at Yankee Stadium.
Can someone explain the the appeal to Gausman? All I see year over year are high ERA’s and “he strikes out a lot of guys”
@driftcat28- yes real live arm plus fastball and 12-6 curve that’s all I see. He is better then Dylan Bundy though. Who isn’t? I don’t want Gausman or Bundy anywhere near the Yankees. If the Giants pay half of Cueto’s salary then maybe? I would rather have Marco Gonzales and the Walker kid from the Mariners who are definitely looking to sell. With Andujar, King, or Gil as the bait. That seems more worthwhile for the Yankees.
none zero appeal. another #5 guy the Yanks already have in abundance. Yanks should only trade for a difference maker
Some useful Pirates left off this list:
3b/1b Colin Moran, who has only played two full-seasons and hit .277 both of them, and has added more power to his game this season. Moran has had some time in outfield as well.
The always decent relief pitcher Rich Rodriguez, and left-handed pitcher Steven Brault who can start or relieve.
Good fielding inf-of Erik Gonzalez, who has shown a decent stick in his more frequent playing time this season, 3b/1b/of Jose Osuna, who has an excellent batting average off the bench and led the league in pinch-hit home runs last season.
Slick fielding shortstop/now outfielder Cole Tucker who is only a little beyond rookie status, and although Adam Frazier was mentioned, it was not pointed out that Frazier was an excellent super-sub at many positions before he settled into an everyday position at second base.
A reminder that Pirates hitters are still settling in this season, since they had two separate week-long work stoppages due to the virus.
Also it is necessary to mention that although top starting pitcher Joe Musgrove is on the IL, it is only a strained muscle and nothing structurally serious.
I can definitely see @hockeyjohn playing shortstop when Lindor leaves Cleveland. I just hope he brings his glove instead of his hockey stick…lmao
this is an annual exercise for the Yankees, because as good as cash is with depth and finding hidden gems at the pro level like gio and luke and at the minor league levels is how ghoulish he is with SP other than Cole who is legit idiot/cash proof.
I’m a die hard fan and love tanaka, but he’s inconsistent and a 3 on a legit WS team, not a 2. Monty is a 4/5 coming off major surgery.
Now the core of the problem- Cash overpaid for happless instead of just signing corbin b/c of the years and age., Yet corbin’s age in the final year of that deal would be less than Happ’s age in the first season of his deal… Cash always overpays anyway to bring in older talent so why not use corbin’s prime years as a legit #2? plus he freaking signed gardy to 10 mil a year the last 2 years when we have enough OFs for 2 MLB rosters.
The other cash MO is thinking he is smarter than everyone else. paxton never pitched more than 160 innings for a reason and you get what you pay for. an inconsistent often hurt guy with potential. Sonny grey? yup- cash went cheap for a guy with potential and controllable years…nathan evoldi, yup….. see a pattern??? see no rings for a decade??/
The yanks have never been houston of st louis in terms of maximizing SP potential. even with their own prospects. Seve has not done much other than one half of one season, and since petite not one vaunted yankee SP prospect has come close to being a reliable member of the staff.
Lastly, he bargain shopping mid season acquisitions show how fearful he is of paying market price for SP pitching…. so instead of verlander you get Jaime garcia, lance lynn, et al….
In sum, welcome to the playoffs every year and welcome to coming up short. Cole needs a legit wing-man not another 4/5 type
Zaidi signed Gausman for exactly this purpose: to be this year’s Pomeranz. And he would rather get pieces like Gomez and/or Abreu from the Yanks’ system to strengthen the Giants’ pitching pipeline. A move like this, and others including moving Watson, Cahill, and Cueto in the right deal where the Giants eat salary to get the right prospects is what Zaidi is more likely to do. It explains why he handled the draft the way he did: a focus on hitters and not the unknown of pitchers until they’ve demonstrated something in another team’s system. The real complication here is that the Giants are doing a replay of ’19 and getting competitive right before the deadline.